Hi Wonderful People out in Gas Land! I know you are all having a
great time this summer comparing engines and stories and renewing
or making new friendships. We have gotten so many letters for this
column and questions that I won’t take up your time with my
idle chatter, so we’ll get into these interesting writings at
once.
From CHARLES L. CAWOOD, Styring House, Pocklington, York,
England comes this letter in the hopes he will get some
answers.
‘I am at present engaged in forming a collection of
‘Amanco’ stationary engines made by the Associated
Manufacturers Co., Waterloo, Iowa, U. S. A.
These engines were in times past the most popular of any make on
the British market, very large numbers being imported up to about
1923.
There appears to be an amazing profusion of types, names, and
variations and also there seems to be little logic in their method
of engine numbering. This makes it very difficult to date any
individual engine and I am wondering therefore, if there is among
your contributors or readers, anyone who has made a study of these
engines, and who could provide me with some information on the
various types produced, the dates, relative engine numbers etc.
Also who formed the Associated Manufacturers Co. and between what
dates did the Company operate. The Agents in this country were
called Associated Manufacturers Co. and operated from various
addresses in and around London until about 1950. At one time or
another they were agents for Waterloo Boy tractors, called the
Overtime in the U. K., Case tractors and Amanco and Hinman milking
machines.
Any information about the Company and the engines would be most
gratefully received by me.
CHARLES J. ANDREWS, 19111 Saratoga St., Lathrup Village,
Michigan 48076 writes: ‘I am interested in information about
the Rumely Oil Pull Tractor, and the Curator of Agriculture of
Greenfield Village, Dearborn, Michigan suggested that I write to
you. Any source which might be helpful to me in my quest for
information about the Rumely will be appreciated.’
JOHN D. BRENNER, JR., 313 Ruby Street, Lancaster, Pennsylvania
17603 would like some information on an old Home lite 24 Volt D. C.
Generator-engine set up (portable) made during World War II for the
military. Has single cylinder, two cycle engine direct connected to
generator shaft. The Home lite Company said it is a Type C-7, but
that’s all he knows about it.–(There your efforts are needed
again, Fellows, drop John a line and let him know some date on
above).
INGVARD K. HAUGEN is wondering where he can get information on a
Sattley 5 horse engine. He would like to know the color of paint
and etc. And where could he get an igniter? (More help on the way
Ingvard, as I’m sure you will hear from some of our
readers).
RAY MILLER, 2815 Niagara Blvd., Fort Erie, Ontario, Canada sends
along some information on several makes of engines. Following is
the data from his letter.
Sources of information:
Re: Fairbanks-Morse Engines.
If you write to Mr. D. E. Jacobsen, Technical Publications, Colt
Industries, Fairbanks Morse Inc., Power Systems Div., 701 Lawton
Ave., Beloit, Wisconsin, 53511 and give him the serial number of
your engine he can tell you the year it was made. Also from old
manuals he has given the following information. The ‘Z’ was
changed to ‘ZA’ with the introduction of the Bosch high
tension oscillating magneto. ZA to ZB about 1934 5 & 754 H. P.
ZB to ZC about 1940 6, 7, 8 H. P. ZA to ZB 3 H. P. when? ZB to ZC
about 1928 3 H. P. ZD about 1929 1? H. P.
Mr. Jacobsen can also provide you with xerox copies of
Instruction Manuals for your F-M engines. Re: Engines by
International Harvester Co.
If you write to Mr. W. F. Overman, Public Relations Dept.,
International Harvester Co., 401 North Michigan Ave., Chicago,
Ill., 60611, and give him the serial number on your engine he will
probably be able to tell you the year it was made. He can also
supply some literature on engines. He could not however supply me
with an operator’s Manual for a 1915 1-H. P. Mogul, only some
sales literature and spec. sheets. Does anyone know where I could
obtain Xerox copy of the Operating Manual for this engine?
Thank you Ray, and I hope someone can answer your question.
You know I might add here that when you fellows receive help or
information, it would be nice to send a letter of thanks to the man
that has helped you. I don’t know if people realize there is a
great deal of time and effort put into answering some of these
queries. Not only will the writer appreciate your gratitude, but
you may be making another good friend–after all you are both
interested in the same hobby. I had one man write and tell us that
over a period of years he has written many letters identifying
engines and that it required a lot of searching time and collection
of material to do this. He also said he NEVER received a
letter of thank you from any of them until recently he got a letter
from Dale Nickerson who answered him. It really made him feel good
and was the first time anyone answered. It’s a funny thing
about we humans how much we take for granted, and we mean to be
this way, but we just don’t put forth the effort we should in
being considerate of our fellow man.
Pictured above is Raymond Petersen, who had been an active
charter member of the Northeastern Montana Threshers and Antique
Association, Culbertson, Montana. Unfortunately, Ray recently had
to have both kidneys removed at Rochester, Minnesota. He will soon
be returning to Culbertson, which has always been his home, but
will have to be on a kidney machine for the rest of his life.
Sterling McKinney, President of the above organization sent us
this information and it seems the club is trying to assist Ray in
any way possible. If you would care to send any rembrance to help
him, I’m sure Sterling would be happy to take care of it.
I’m sure he would appreciate letters and cards too.
An Eagle Tractor that was destroyed in a barn fire, but has been
completely and beautifully restored to running condition by its
owner. Jack Arthur of St. Agatha, Canada. That’s Jack on the
right proudly showing his work to Kent Gibson of Dundee, New York.
Kent is a director of Tioga County Early Days.
Ross Pino of Covington, Pennsylvania, president of the Tioga
County Early Days-furnishing the power with his 25-40 Type X Oil
Pull for this Lane shingle mill at the 1971 Show in Whitneyville,
Pennsylvania.
Earl Blair and his horse. Dusty, from Williamsport, Pennsylvania
operating a one-horse tread mill at the Show. Earl is also a
director.
Looking over an old Waterloo ???? are Dick Noble and my Son,
John Robert Hamilton, both of Charleston, Illinois. Does anyone
know why there is no top to the water hopper? There is no place to
bolt a lid on. The ring on the side of the hopper was caused by an
oil can lid.
Who says that engines are not something to get up in the air
about? This engine sitting on the giant tree trunk is a
Fairbanks-Morse Z. The owner is B. J. K. Helmuth of R. Ft. 1,
Arthur, Illinois.
A letter from one of our younger enthusiasts-STEVE HAYS, R. D.
1, Box 201, Sandy Lake, Pennsylvania 16145, age 11, says: ‘I
would like to know how to fix an F 20 transmission. The power
take-off is jammed in gear. Do you have any information on how to
fix this? I would like you to send a letter to me.’ He also
added it was not his tractor, but his Uncle’s. Perhaps you
could help stimulate this young fellow’s interest.
MAURICE BOWERMAN, R. R. 1, Angola, Indiana 46703 pens this one:
‘I read Smoke Rings column and enjoy it very much. I have a
Detroit mechanical force feed lubricating oil pump. I need two
glass hoods or covers that go on over the oil pipes to see if oil
is being pumped to various bearings. Would there be anyone that
knows of a glass factory that would make some of these?’ (Would
there? I don’t know–how about writing Corning Glass Company in
Corning, New York?)
And from across the waters comes some words of interest from
ROBERT E. HEUPT, 22 Lilian Street, Bulleen 3105, Victoria,
Australia–‘I am a member of The Melbourne Steam Traction
Engine Club and while not owning any steam engines I own or
partly-own eight oil engines (gas engines to you). I was introduced
to Gas Engine Magazine only a few months ago. I was particularly
delighted to read Mr. Edmund A. Schott’s story ‘My
International’ and see that great shot on the front cover
(Sept-Oct. 1971).
I am in the process of restoring a 6 HP version of the same
engine found in somewhat similar circumstances. Mine did not have a
tree growing up through it however–just lots of weeds!
My latest acquisition is a 1? HP Hercules horizontal, open
crankshaft engine, complete and in fair condition. This
engine was used on a drag saw during the construction of the
O’Shannasy Dam, near Warburton, Victoria which was completed in
1924.
Pictures taken in 1969 at the Mount Pleasant Show. These are all
homemade model tractors, owners unknown to me, but I thought the
tractors were real neat and they were painted like new. The one at
the top is over twenty years old.
Engines restored by K. G. Romine, South Point, Ohio and J. E.
Stiverson, Mt. Sterling, Ohio.
Top row left to right Twin Maytag, 1927 Single cylinder Maytag,
1938 Briggs-Stratton with kick starter and 1924 Briggs-Stratton.
Bottom row left to right 2 H P Z-A Fairbanks-Morse, C T 2 Stover, 2
H P Z-D Fairbanks-Morse, 2 H P Arco and 2 H P Cushman. Have several
other engines and pumps yet to be restored.
I eagerly await my copy of the Gas Engine Magazine and look
forward to reading further copies of your excellent
magazine.’
Thank you Robert and we hope you will be in our family a long
while.
D. McVITTIE, Box 508, Alliston, Ontario, Canada is seeking
information to write a story of Massey-Harris gas engines, but
needs more data and is appealing to readers of G. E. M. He would
like anyone who may have worked in gas engine plants in Toronto, or
with knowledge of same to write him.
CARTER HARVEY, 948 Carlos Drive, Lincoln, Nebraska 68505 tells
us: ‘I have just started my engine hobby and have a 1? HP John
Deere which runs well, and just bought a 2? HP INGECO which I am
now getting back in shape. I would be very pleased if you could
send me some data on the engine, such as the year it was built, the
original color and some of its characteristics. I would also like a
diagram.
It is a Type AK International Gas Engine Co., Milwaukee,
Wisconsin factory, Cudahy Station, No. 5531 and 400 rpm.
I thank you in advance for any help you can give me.’
From ROBERT D. SEELEY, 316 Johnson Ave., Warrensburg, Missouri
64093 comes a letter and problem as follows:
‘I have a small vertical air-cooled engine, Ideal, Model V.
It has an ignition system quite similar to the Maytag engines. My
problem is that I don’t know where the gas tank is located, how
the cooling fan is actuated, and what type of carburetor it uses,
(the carburetor is missing). If anyone has a picture of this
engine, or a manual, or information on its assembly, I would
greatly appreciate hearing from them.
May I add that I enjoy your magazine very much. Collecting old
tools and machinery has been my hobby for a long time, but I
didn’t get around to gas engines until about three years ago.
To date I have restored (running) a Raw-leigh 1? HP;
Rawleigh-Schryer 2 HP; Witte 2 HP-1912 model with the serial no.
stamped on every part, including the flywheel keys; Monitor 1?
HP-mag, ignition; and a 2 HP McCormick-Deering. Also a 4 HP
Fairfield binder engine.
I could use the points assembly for the Dixie mag. on the
Fairfield if someone knows where there is one.
I’ve got six other engines to restore and have my eyes on an
old Cat. ’60’ that needs a heck of a lot of restoring.
From a new subscriber, ERIC T. SORENSEN, R. R. 2, Simcoe,
Ontario, Canada comes this writing–‘I have just started
receiving GEM and I find it most interesting and helpful. I have
one engine in my collection that I would really appreciate getting
some information on. On the nameplate, it says– The Chas. A.
Strelinger Co. Tools and Supplies, Detroit, Mich.–This is a single
cylinder upright marine engine. It came out of the first gasoline
powered boat on the Muskoka Lakes here in Ontario. I believe it was
built some time in the late 1890s. It is water-cooled by means of a
cam driven piston type water pump and has an igniter type ignition.
This is the only engine of this make that I have ever seen or heard
of and if there is anyone out there who has one or who can give me
some history on it, I would sure like to hear from them. My other
engines include a Goold Shapley and Muir 2 HP; an III 2? HP LA; and
a Lister Bruston automatic electric supply powered by a Lister type
L engine.’
Welcome to the family Eric and I hope you hear from some of our
sisters and brothers real soon.
CLARENCE W. BANGERT, Ashton, Iowa 51232 would like to know if
any of the readers can give him some information on the Chanticleer
line of engines built by the Jacob Hash Mfg. Co. at Dekalb,
Illinois.
CLAUDE SCHOLMA, 9853 56th Ave., Allendale, Michigan 49401 asks:
‘Can you tell us where we can find head gaskets and manifold
gaskets for Mc-Deering 15-30 tractors (1927)? Would appreciate the
information.’
STEVE L. EDDIE, Route 3, Ulysses, Kansas 67880 tells us: ‘I
have a 14 HP Stover gas engine. I would like to hear from anybody
who has any information or a carburetor for this engine. Also would
like to hear from anybody who has information on Fairbanks-Morse
vertical engines.’
We certainly have a lot of work for you folks out there if you
can answer any of these letters with the needed data.
From LEWIS GOOD, 7579-100th Street, Caledonia, Michigan 49316
comes this communication:–‘I am rebuilding a Bullock tractor,
Serial No. 390 Model C. I would be glad to hear from anyone that
has ever owned one of these tractors. They were first built about
1911 and discontinued after World War I.
A ‘Case C’ waiting to be restored. The Illinois owner
claims that it will take only a little work to get it going.
A friend of mine, Tom Graham, and I recently acquired a 25-50
Nichols and Shepard Gas Tractor. Some specifications are–Drivers
69′, bore and stroke 9 X 12, Kingston carb. dated 1904,
Pickering governor dated 1909, 1 exhaust pipe each cylinder, chain
steering and the radiator sets parallel with the tractor. All
moving parts are exposed with sheet metal cover over crankshaft
removed.
Any information would be very much appreciated. We are both
members of the Northwestern Michigan Engine and Thresher Club,
Buckly, Michigan.
Our tractor could very likely be the only one in existence. This
one we are restoring is a 1916 Model Bullock with creeping
grip.
Bullock bought these engines and we have evidence of three types
of engines used during this period. The one we have is a 4 cylinder
Waukeshaw motor.
Also, would like to know if anyone has a set of magnesium steel
tracks. These tracks were made after World War I.’
ROGER AYERS, 117 N. Josephine, Madison, South Dakota 57042 has
recently purchased an Appleton tractor and would like more
information on the tractor. Please, if anyone knows of any more
Appletons, please let Roger hear about it. He would like to contact
the owner for restoration hints. He thinks the HP is 12-20.
STANTON FILER, 45065 Road, 140 is looking for a few parts for a
Titan Famous 1 HP hopper-cooled gas engine. Igniter complete part,
number G7532 and a gasoline mixer part, number G6971. He would
appreciate someone telling him where he could find these.
BERTON BLAZEK, Route 1, Innis-free, Alberta, Canada, TOB 2 GO,
asks: ‘Would someone give us the scoop on the Monarch gas
engine? Who made them and what sizes?
When I was a boy in Wisconsin, my Dad had a very used 1? HP
Monarch, the name tag had a crown emblem on it. I once noticed in a
Howell cataloge about 1920 that they offered a 1? HP and 3 HP
Monarch along with many other items.
A couple years ago we found this engine in Canada and on the
nameplate was Ontario Wind Engine & Pump Co. with principle
Canadian cities. The other day we bought one that read Gray Motor
Co., Lansing, Michigan. It is identical, except that it has oil
recesses on the main caps instead of grease cups.’
That’s about it for this time and I’ll leave with just a
few quotes–Christ isn’t valued at all unless He is valued
above all.–Silence is one of the great acts of
conversation.–Learn to labor and to wait; but be careful how you
start, lest you learn to wait so well, you overlook the labor
part.
3? h. p. New Way, Type C, owned by Kenneth Roloff, Marilla, New
York. Shown at PGEA Reunion in 1969.
Here is yours truly, cutting oats on the home farm about 1930
with a 10-20 McCormick Deering tractor with a McCormick 7 foot
right hand cut binder. I had a rope and spring rigged to the bundle
carrier and when the grain was uniform height, I operated this rig
alone.
1938 John Deere B, owned by Paul Luckman, Walworth, New York.
Displayed at 1969 Pioneer Gas Engine Reunion, Fairville, New
York.
