A Brief Word

| May/June 1999

  • Woodworker
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Sheldon Cement Mixer
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Precision Saw
  • Franklin Valveless
  • Bean Special Cub
  • Cordwood
  • Folsom engine
  • Unidentified Engines
    34/5/18 A
  • Schebler carburetor
  • Schebler carburetor

  • Woodworker
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Sheldon Cement Mixer
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Precision Saw
  • Franklin Valveless
  • Bean Special Cub
  • Cordwood
  • Folsom engine
  • Unidentified Engines
  • Schebler carburetor
  • Schebler carburetor

We have lots of ground to cover this month, so we'll not spend much time talking about various items. We do wish to pass along that we will be taking a group to the Great Dorset Steam Fair in England this Fall. The Dorset is a huge show and has lots of steam power, in addition to engines, tractors, and other things. Aside from this, it will be much like our Vintage Engines tour scheduled for June. If you would like a tour brochure, contact: C. H. Wendel, Dorset Tour, Box 257, Amana, IA 52203 or email us at

We will send you a brochure by return mail.

This means that we will miss attending the Midwest Old Threshers Reunion at Mt. Pleasant, Iowa for the first time since 1960. In total, that will make three times we have missed it since 1954.

By the time this issue is in your hands we should have everything completed on our Standard Catalog of American Farm Tractors book. This one goes into the 1950s, and is by far the most complicated of any project we have ever tackled. It should be available by autumn from Krause Publications or your favorite bookseller.

Our first query this month is:

34/5/1 Fairbanks-Morse Problems Q. I have a Fairbanks-Morse 1? HP Type Z engine I chose as my first restoration project. I have some problems that perhaps someone can help me with: How do I determine the sizes of the bolts that attach the ignitor to the cylinder, the main bearing cap screws, and the connecting rod bolts? Were these high crown head? Heat treated? 2) I am having a problem finding the oil shield and the complete igniter trip rod. I have written to several GEM advertisers to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. Gary Ostby,4921 Beam Rd., Zillah, WA 98953.

A. The bolts are all common sizes, such as 3/8,7/16, ? inch, etc. In some of the instances you mention, these were studs that threaded into the casting, and then a nut went over the top. Check around at farm supply stores or automotive shops, and someone will probably have some stud bolts from something or other that will work. Be sure to check the vendors at the various engine swap meets, too.

34/5/2 Thanks!

To Brad Reive, 8809 Graham Rd., RR 2, West Lome, ONT N0L 2P0 Canada for sending along a stack of photocopies from some old Country Gentleman Magazines. There are some interesting engines and tractors in the ads!

34/5/3 Why Not Send a Thank you?

Joe Morris, 112 Irwin Road, Powell, TN 37849 comments regarding people who are looking for materials on an engine, and when someone spends their time, cost of copies, plus the postage, and doesn't even bother to send a note of thanks, it sort of takes the fun out of being helpful. If you are looking for information, please be so kind as to respond to the sender. Enough cash in your thank you note to buy a cup of coffee or a glass of beer would be even nicer!

34/5/4 National Oil Engine Q. I have a National Oil Engine, 13 HP, Type KB, s/n 49703 built in Aston-under-Lyne, England. An open pan under the injector suggests it was used to contain burning fuel to heat the injector. I would appreciate hearing from anyone having information, especially the starting procedure for this engine. Paul Rowley, 467 Vereda Leyenda, Goleta, CA 93117.

34/5/5 Information Needed Q. Elmer Rath, 1000 N. Mae St., Storm Lake, IA 50588 inquires as to the year built for the following: IHC Type M, No. A42323M, with American Bosch magneto; Ottawa Log Saw, s/n C21755; Sears-Roebuck No. 450.96 with a Wico EK magneto.

A. The IHC engine was made in 1919; we have no information on the others.

34/5/6 Valve Timing etc. Q. On page 2 of the March 1999 GEM there were two excellent drawings on valve timing and detent setting. Where did you get them? I would like to find similar drawings for my Economy, especially because it is short of so many parts. Harold L. Mathieu, RR 2, Box 279, Chassell, M149916.

A. The drawings were for Stover, but as we pointed out, the majority of engines will have approximately the same settings. I don't have anything for Economy, though. Perhaps Glenn Karch of 20601 Old State Rd., Haubstadt, IN 47639 might have such details.

34/5/7 Woodworker Q. See the photo of an old woodworking machine that has a saw, handsaw, drill press, and jointer, all in one machine. There is no name or numbers on it. Can anyone identify this machine? Brian Bear, 3158 Minnich Wysong Road, Lewisburg, OH 45338. Email:

A. There were a number of companies that built woodworking machines, but we have no name for yours.

34/5/8 Information Needed Q. I have three engines for which I would like some information: 1) Flying Dutchman 1? HP, s/n 25816; color and year built; 2) Empire separator engine, 2? HP, year made and color; 3) Fairbanks-Morse Eclipse #1 ,no s/n can be found, but would like an estimate on the year. Alton O. Jones, 31420 Town Line Road, Philadelphia, NY 13673.

A. The Flying Dutchman is a dark maroon, but we don't have an exact color match, nor do we know when it was made. We have no information at all on the Empire. The No. 1 Eclipse pumper was built between 1912 and 1922.

34/5/9 Novo Engine Q. I have a Novo engine, Model AG, s/n 25381 and need further information on it. I detected a Novo Rollr decal under newer paint. Stan Rankin, 1212 Foothill Dr., Champaign, IL 61821

A. Your engine was shipped to the University of Illinois Farm at Urbana, Illinois on 12-29-1931. It was painted red and black instead of the usual Novo colors.

34/5/10 Information Needed Q. I need to know from our readers where the Duwel Tool Division went to. The last address was Chicago, Illinois . I need a new handle for my half-inch reversible drill. Ron Konen, PO Box 47C, Genesee, ID 83832.

34/5/11 Gard-N-Mastr Tractor Q. I have a Gard-N-Mastr lawn tractor s/n 20813 made in Liberty, Indiana. It has a 4 HP Kohler engine. I am interested in restoring it and would like to know the year built and the correct color. Any help would be appreciated. Ray Schmerge, PO Box 54,Botkins, OH 45306.

34/5/12 Precision Saw Q. See the photo of a Precision Saw made by Precision Parts Ltd., Montreal, Canada. I would like to know how old it is, and how rare it is. Harvey Josh, 1014 So. Buffalo, Yuma, CO 80759.

34/5/13 Horsepower vs. Compression Ratio Q. I would like to see a chart or graph that plots Horsepower vs. Compression Ratio for an internal combustion gasoline-fueled engine with no other changes at a constant r.p.m. There must be some data somewhere, but I have not been able to find anything. Corwin Groth, 24880 - 145th Ave., Eldridge, IA 52748.

A. We checked through numerous of our texts and found nothing except some complicated formulas for determining the output of an engine, given a specific set of conditions. Does anyone know of a graph showing the rate of increase as the compression rises?

34/5/14 Your Help Would Be Appreciated Q. I have the following engines (see photo) that I acquired after my uncle's death. Bean Special Cub, Model R20B, 3 HP; Jaeger 2 HP S; Sattley 1?HP; Stover 1 HP; Economy 2?HP; and Deere Model E, 1?HP. I would like to find more operating information on these engines. Rob Crain, 3611 Ply Spg Mill, Shelby, OH 44875-9581.

34/5/15 Franklin Valveless Q. See the photo of a Franklin Valueless engine, 12 x 16, Model OFCL #4590. Any information on this engine would be appreciated. Charley Nelson, 1545 Hupp Rd., Bloomington, IN 47401.

34/5/16 It Pays to Have Old Issues

George B. Huhn, 6405 W. McGeoch Ave., West Allis, WI 53219 writes that by referring to a September 1988 article on pouring babbitt bearings he was able to do the job without difficulty; the point being that it pays to keep those old back issues of GEM!

34/5/17 Sawing Outfit

Thanks to Aaron F. Heisey, RD 1, Box 273, Centre Hall, PA 16828 for sending this photograph of a cordwood saw in operation. The flywheel was mounted low on another shaft to keep it out of the way of the saw table. Some sawing outfits used an extra flywheel, especially when the engine was too small. Mr. Heisey would like to know the make of this sawing outfit.

34/5/18 Unidentified Engines Q. See the photos of some unidentified engines. Photos A and B are of a small horizontal engine with a 3? x 5 inch bore and stroke. All the small part numbers have a B-prefix, followed by the number. The man I bought it from said it was a Folsom engine, but I can find no reference to any company of that name. It was bright red with orange striping.

Photos C & D are of an engine with a T-head configuration and using a Schebler carburetor. The single fly wheel is 20 inches in diameter and appears to have been dark green in color. Any help in identifying these engines would be greatly appreciated. Jim Sherman, PO Box 14, Vashon, WA 98070. Email:

34/5/19 Low Tension Coils

Bob LeBaron sends along some information he found regarding the operation of the plain coil or the low tension coil used with battery and ignitor. Electrically, this system is very simple. We have always used the water pipe analogy. If water is flowing in a pipe, and the flow is suddenly shut off, or interrupted, the pressure rises considerably. The longer the pipe, the greater the rise. The same thing happens when the ignitor points open. The voltage (pressure) rises considerably over its initial value, albeit for only a brief instant. That's when we get that nice orange fireball between the ignitor points for perfect ignition every time.

Ye olde Reflector has always been a proponent of using a battery with enough stamina to get the job done, rather than using a tiny little lantern battery or even a discarded Polaroid battery. We'll allow that these will probably work, for awhile anyway, but for good day-long operation, use a battery and coil worthy of the name. Case in point is our 1? Stickney. Using the original Stickney coil, we could never get it to run more than a couple of hours tops, without the ignition throwing a fit, and the engine would stop. One day, we had nothing but a spare 12 volt battery, so we hooked it up. The engine ran the rest of the day without a problem, and at various shows after that, ran all day long without missing a lick, just because we changed over to a 12 volt battery.

Look at some of the old wiring diagrams. Seldom did they use fewer than five 1? volt cells, or 7? volts. Many of them used six cells for 9 volts. In our opinion, raising the voltage to 12 volts isn't going to do any harm, and it certainly makes an engine run better. In the words of a famous comedian, 'I could be wrong, but that's my opinion.'

34/5/20 Clarke Troller

James Dekle, 432 Colton Ave., Thomasville, GA 31792 writes in response to 33/11/1 GEM, that the subject engine is a Clarke Troller, made by Clarke Engineering Company of Detroit, Michigan. Mr. Dekle owns one of these engines that he bought from a retiree. It is in excellent condition, and has joined his collection of 102 different vintage outboards, all made before 1940.

34/5/21 Retrofit Magnetos

Regarding 34/1/3 of a Fairbanks-Morse engine with a Wico magneto, Dale Volgamore, RR 1, Box 9, Almena, KS 67622 sends along some interesting data. Most of the major magneto manufacturers offered retrofit kits for various engines. Webster of course, is the best known, since the Webster could be used on almost any engine. Wico provided EK retrofit kits for many different makes, and Fairbanks-Morse offered retrofit kits using their own magnetos. These were available for the Fairbanks-Morse engines, as well as numerous others.

34/5/22 Sheldon Cement Mixer Q. See the photo of what remains of a Sheldon Cement Mixer made at Nehawka, Nebraska. I would like to hear from anyone having one of these so I can make the necessary parts. jerry Kirsch, 5114 S. Hwy 41,Boswell, IN 47921.

34/5/23 Unidentified Engine Q. See the photo of an engine with a 3? x 5 inch bore and stroke. It is much like a Model AF Novo, but does not have a cover over the rocker arms, and no place to put one. The head has 3-21-26 cast in. the color is green.

Also, why did the older engines and tractors always use a positive ground? Carl E. Blackwell, 1804 W. Union, Wynne, AR 72396.

A. We're not so sure your engine isn't a Novo, but lacking the serial number, we can't tell you much about it. Regarding the positive ground question, we'll defer that one to our readers.

34/5/24 Rayner Field

Information needed by Glenn Schultz, 1561 Strieter Rd., Ann Arbor, MI 48103. He needs information on the engine or the company, including the correct color. The engine is a 23/4 HP, s/n 16908, and was made by Field-Brundage Co., Jackson, Michigan.

34/5/25 Unidentified Engine Q. See the photos of an unidentified engine. It stands 45 inches high, and flywheel is 23? inches in diameter, It is missing one flywheel and some other parts. I would like to find make, model and horsepower for this engine. There are no casting marks. Any information will be appreciated. Ken Boychuk, 713 Irwin St., Prince George, BC V2M 2X6 Canada.



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