Hi! March-April issue means Springtime somewhere in those eight weeks-getting ready for gardens is important to many, but just as important is getting ready for the Gas Shows-so go ahead and pick the seeds for your garden and the paints and parts for the engine-and have a great time-when you're done reading the G.E.M. And now on to those terrific letters that also aid many of the folks in our G.E.M. family-
Our first letter is from a young enthusiast named CHARLIE McGUIRE, R.F.D. 1, Burdick Road, Norwich, Connecticut 06360: 'I am 12 years old and have been collecting engines for three years. So far I have only two engines. The first engine which is restored is a 2? HP Economy, 450 RPM and the engine number is 82733. I would like information on that engine.
Also, my other engine is a Friend Orchard Sprayer, Model Serial number is DX7694. I would like to know the color of it. Also on the carburetor, which is a Schebler manufactured in Indianapolis, Indiana, there is a casting number on the side of the bowl DX111 and under that number is the letter S- what does that S mean? It is spark plug ignition, but was there ever a magneto? I don't see a place for one. Well, hope I get some good answers.' (And I hope you do too Charlie-and thanks for writing.)
ROY NEWTON, 13967 Marquesas Way, Marina Del Roy, California 90291 writes: 'We are restoring a marine engine which will ultimately go into a 1923 antique launch, and we are seeking information on the year of manufacturing. It is a United States Motor Corp., Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Model #OK-4, Serial #91114. An ad from a 1927 issue indicates it is from that era. The company eventually ended up a part of Emerson Electric and through the years the records were lost or destroyed. We are looking for a manual of repair or a copy of same. We would like to communicate with anyone who could help. (See classified ads.)
G.E.M.'s have been most helpful in suggesting that we write you to see what your readers say. I might add that we are into antique boating and now that we have discovered G.E.M. we have added a new dimension. My wife doesn't need this-but I do!
We would like to thank you for the most enjoyable articles in your column. You have a great way of presenting (otherwise-droll) information with good humor. We look forward to each issue. Good luck!' (Thank you so much Roy-and I hope you get letters and help on your engine.)
From ED F. EDWARDS, P.O. Box 197, Big Bend, California 96011 sends this letter: 'Enclosed is a picture of an old Pelton Wheel for hooking up to a generator to supply electricity for lights, etc. This old Pelton wheel was used on the ranch that we bought, in northern California, which is where we now live. It was used to supply power (electricity) for the old ranch house (that used to be where our new house now stands) for several years until 1957 when they brought the power lines in. The following is cast into the side of the (lower half) of the outside cast iron shell of the Pelton wheel: THE TUTTHILL WATER MOTOR, Patented Feb. 26, 1895, Oakland Iron Works Builders, Oakland, Cal. It has wick oil mains, babbitt bearings and a 4 inch gate valve to let the water into it.
At the inside end of the 4' gate valve, there is a nozzle that tapers from 4' down to 1' in diameter at the end that the water comes out to open the Pelton wheel on the shaft, by the water hitting the cups, which are staggered side to side of the centerline of the rim of the spoked wheel on the shaft. Would any of the G.E.M. readers know approximately what size generator or alternator could be run off this, or about what horsepower would be obtained at 40 lbs. pressure in the 4' line (before the water goes through the nozzle and tapers to a 1' diameter outlet)?
There is a cast brass nameplate on the side (not shown in the picture) of the 4' gate valve that says EMPIRE. I plan to restore this old water wheel and put it to use as a (stand-by) power source when our regular (Bower Company) power goes out, which is fairly often in the winter (anytime it rains hard, snows or when the wind blows too hard.) Our power was out for three days this last Christmas because of over 3 feet of snow and of course, the phone went out too. I would appreciate any help that the G.E.M. readers could give me as to what size generator that this would run. We have a 4' water line that comes down from our lake to supply water for irrigation in the summer and used to be to supply water to turn the wheel inside this (water motor) also. There is about 100 feet of 'fall' from the lake to where the unit is to be mounted. This old (water motor) got away just before we bought the ranch and I found it and traded some cattle grazing to get it back-now, it is home to stay.'
R. J. GILMOR, 3304 River Street, Kingston, Michigan 48741 says: 'The Gas Engine Magazine is great. I enjoy it very much. I know you help a lot of people, so maybe you can help me. (It is the readers who help you R.J.-I'm just the go-between person and I hope they can help you this time.) I am restoring an EASY engine No. 18247 made by the Syracuse Washing Machine Corp., Syracuse, New York. I would like any information I could get on this engine.'
This letter comes from MYRON McGREGOR, RR 2, Oakland, Illinois 61943: 'I'm rather new at collecting antique tractors and the Gas Engine Magazine has been a very big help to me. It is tops in magazines as far as my opinion goes. Keep up the good work.
'I'm restoring an International 8-16 tractor at this time and would like some help. I have been able to get pictures of the side and rear view of one, but I would like an original view of the front of the tractor.'
ROBERT KNUDSON, 3495 South Maple Island Road, Ravenna, Michigan 49451 sends this: 'Would anyone in Gas Engineland be able to help me with three engines I have? I have never seen any at the shows or in G.E.M.
The first is a Lalley Light Plant, 1 cylinder, 2 cycle, 40 volt generator made by the Robbins & Myers Co. in Springfield, Ohio.
The second is a 'Ward' gasoline engine serial #4065, 2 HP GE-type with a side shaft made in about 1900. I think it is natural gas runable too, and I would like the place and company that manufactured, color and any other information pertaining to this engine.
The third is an 'Ohio' gas and gasoline manufactured by the Ohio Motor Co. in Sandusky, Ohio. It has 6 HP, serial #5 with a side shaft. This engine seems to have a natural gas carb. which I need help with operation procedure, color and cooling tank design.
I would like to correspond with someone who has information that I need on any of these engines. Keep up the good work with G.E.M., I enjoy it from cover to cover.'
EDGAR WHITE, 112 Averbough Avenue, St. Clairsville, Ohio 43950 would like to hear from anyone that has information and color of a 3 HP Boos oil engine diesel manufactured at St. Mary, Ohio - a very rare engine. (Watch the mails Ed-you'll probably get some letters.)
A note from TOM McCARTY, Lorchwood, Iowa 51241 tells us: 'Thanks for a great magazine. I have a Delco light plant with battery jars- nothing in the jars. Can someone tell me if they can be rebuilt and if so, how or where?? Will answer all letters and return postage if wanted.'
A letter from ARTHUR BUHLER, Buhler Construction Company, Butterfield, Minnesota he writes us: 'I have restored a 30-60 Aultman-Taylor tractor. Our tractor has the round radiator with the many two-inch tubes running through it. We have all the painting and colors and lettering complete with the exception of the sides of the radiator. We have a very small picture which shows the decal or stencil of the sides of the radiator. On this stencil it shows the picture of two men on the side of the name, Aultman-Taylor.
Do you have any idea where we could get a picture big enough to show in detail how this stencil looks? If we could get something like this, we could have a good local artist paint it on our tractor.'
Maybe you fellows can help this writer-GENE BICKNESE, Route 1, Worthington, Minnesota 56187: 'I just bought a Harris 4-wheel drive tractor, late 1940s or early 1950s, built in Stockton, California, serial number 43841. Would like to know what the paint colors were and what different attachments were available for it. This is not connected with Massey Harris.'
BOB CHRISTENSON, Bismark, North Dakota 58501 talks to us as he sends in an order: 'I have just sent in my renewal subscription for the Iron Man Album and the Gas Engine Magazine. I enjoy both publications very much as they help make our long North Dakota winters a little shorter. I must admit we have been very fortunate this year with no snow and mild temperatures. The two winters previous, we would no sooner get the road opened and we'd have to start all over.
Our harvest was fair this year considering we had a late spring and another dry summer. In early September we dragged out the old Mc-Cormick Deering binder and cut 30 acres of 'Olaf wheat. We had a 1926 Rumely Oil Pull 25-45 Model R, a 1930 Rumely Six and a 19?? 32-45 Huber gas tractor alternately belted to a 26' Huber separator which did a nice job of threshing. Kids from 8 to 80 pitched a few bundles into the aging separator to the delight of the sensitive governors on the Rumelys-enough fond memories to last until next time.
Best wishes to you and yours for a happy and prosperous new year.' (Thanks and the best to you also.)
This man needs some help and will be awaiting answers from the readers: 'Enough cannot be said for all the help and value of your magazine as it has been to myself and all the other fellow hobbyists.
I come to you for HELP in order that I may be able to restore two engines. One is a W. T. Garrett & Co. No. 3 patented Apr. 14, 189?- last number chiseled off and Jan 25, 1898. It has a 6' bore and 10' stroke, flywheels 40' x 31/8'.
The second is a WHAT IS IT? as there are no numbers or other identification on any of the parts. I would appreciate corresponding with anyone knowing what either engine looks like in running condition.' (If you have answers write ERNIE GODDARD, 6921 Lincoln Oaks Drive, Fair Oaks, California 95628.)
From HAROLD EDWARDS, 1201 E. Center Street, Warsaw, Indiana 46580: 'We at our house all read the G.E.M. We especially like to read the Smoke Rings and wish more could be printed. We need help as to what color should be used on a 6 HP Simplicity engine also on a 1? HP Alamo. Can anyone help us on these colors?
ROGER DOLLIFF, 2680 Pheasant Road, Excelsior, Minnesota 55331 needs some answers and is counting on your help: 'Though I have several gas engines, I need more information on two, and would really appreciate a reply from those of you that can help. Please also look at my Wanted Ad in the classified for owner's manuals on each.
Anyway, within the year I bought a small Novo and a Delco light plant I need help on. The Novo is a small upright Serial #AG4713. This is a small, perhaps 1 HP or less, upright with a tank on the side with openings top and bottom to accommodate thermal gravity cooling. It's a cute little engine and for some strange reason I've never seen one at a show. I had the magneto rebuilt and lost all reference to any timing, which I'll need help with. Is this a common engine? How old is it? I suspect this one was used for mixing cement by the residue on it.
My other problem is a 850 watt Delco light plant Serial #3902 that I have just cleaned up and am anxious to get running. As a matter of fact we are in the process of building a leisure home in northern Minnesota and I would like to have it duo wired, so that in case of power failure I could crank up the Delco. Since I don't even know where to start on this, such as hooking up, batteries, etc. anything I could learn would be helpful. What is its age? Any reply will be answered.
A short note requests two answers as we hear from STEWART SALT, 121 Rainier Avenue, Dromana, Victoria, Australia: 'Would any of your readers be able to give me the date of manufacture and original painting details of a 1? HP Ottawa, No. TA7803 as very few of these motors were imported into Australia and little is known of them.'
Next two letters are from DOC SCHUSTER, 3535 Glen Oak Drive, Eugene, Oregon 97405. The first one deals with some answers Doc received to some questions he had written us about in an earlier magazine: 'In the November-December issue, I asked several questions about John Deere Model E engines. Thanks to several helpful correspondents, here are the answers:
(1) Dark gray plating or coating-possibly from heat treating or perhaps it was a protective coating.
(2) Lubrication to the gear end bearing of the magneto-oil from the crankcase enters the bearing via the rifle-drilled armature shaft and hence thru a connecting hole to the shaft bearing surface. Oil throwing is due to piston blow-by plus crankcase pressure from the moving piston. Early engines had no crankcase ventilators. The annoyance can be alleviated by boring a hole through the top 'pulley' side of the crankcase cover and attaching a leather flap (for a valve) or tapping the hole for a 2' or 3' perforated grease cup filled with steel wool or loose cotton.
(3) Oil loss around the bottom of the magneto plate-the gasket between the magneto plate and crankcase cover should be 3/16' overlength at the bottom. The 3/16' excess is to be folded under the magneto plate during assembly and fits between the bottom edge of the magneto plate and the cork crankcase cover gasket.
(4) Another correspondent brought up two more thoughtful ideas. He found that by carefully bending the crankcase oil deflector beside the governor weights so that it was closely adapted to their arc while running, he was able to reduce to some degree the amount of oil throwing. He also theorized that the felt magneto gasket might have been intended originally to function as a crankcase breather.
I couldn't resist sharing these answers with other readers.'
This second letter is from DOC SCHUSTER and it deals with some more questions Doc would like to have answered: 'I am restoring an Alamo type A Blueline engine, 1? HP with Webster low-tension ignition. Serial number is in the 75,700 range.
My problem is this: I would like to restore it exactly as it was originally, but I cannot be sure precisely where the fuel tank fits or even if the fuel tank is the original. The tank is made of soft-soldered light gauge galvanized stock, 13' x 5' x 37/8' and it looks like factory construction. The engine was bolted to a heavy flatboard 22' x 7?' x 1?', which looks like part of the original wooden skid. Both tank and board have a hole about 7/8' in diameter, a 21/8' from the end of each, and centered from side to side. This suggests a filler pipe extending from the tank through the top of the board. But how was it possible to reach the filler opening to fill the tank? The filler opening would be al-most directly beneath the carburetor-mixer.
To further confuse the issue, a 1919 Empire Cream Separator Catalogue has a picture of a 1 HP Empire type A engine. It is identical with the Alamo 1? HP engine, except for the igniter setup. In the Empire catalogue the fuel tank is definitely mounted immediately behind the engine. What is the connection between Alamo and Empire? Can anyone help me?'
This next letter comes from LEONARD SPOELMAN, 3221 Brookshire SE, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49508 and he refers to some of the questions of the previous letter by Doc Schuster. Read on: 'Here I am again, trying to get some information in to you and deadline is upon me! I am referring to the Nov.-Dec. 1979 issue of G.E.M.
First, a reminder that many of these old companies are still in business and would be glad to help the serious collector in his restoration. Richard Nielsen should contact Fairmont Railway Motors, Inc., Fairmont, Minnesota for help on his Fairmont engine. Minneapolis Moline Division of White Motors should be able to give Wayne Cole the information he seeks on his MM Comfortractor.
Fred J. (Doc) Schuster discussed John Deere Engines. In my experience, I've not found them to be oil throwers as he says, but maybe I've been lucky. I have had the situation of oil leaking into the gas tank as he discussed and my problem turned out to be pin-hole leaks caused by rust. This would not be corrected by his solution of fastening the pan more firmly to the bottom of the engine. The steel sheet will either have to be replaced or (as I did) coated with Epoxy to seal it up.
Doc asks what type of coating was applied to cast iron parts originally? This was discussed by E. S. Purdom in Mar.-Apr. 1966 G.E.M., page 22. Basically, he describes 'Hard Putty' application followed by 'Rough Stuff and gives the formula for mixing these. He offers to provide a finishing schedule using modern materials but I do not know if one was later published or not. I think some of the auto body fillers would be acceptable. Possibly someone more skilled with paints can offer a good finishing schedule.
And now an address correction. Doc recommended GOR-NEL-CO. Their address is Chisago City, Minnesota 55013 and not Chicago City as printed. I have purchased from him and he has quite an assortment of gas engine parts remade and available as well as valves, rings, springs, oilers, grease cups, etc. Especially carburetor parts, etc. for McD., JD, FM, Maytag.
That's all for now. Keep up the good work. We appreciate it!'
This note comes from JON FEICHT, 4765 Lone Valley Drive, Rancho Palos Verdes, California 90274: 'I have recently acquired an International Famous 4 HP upright pumping engine. I need a good picture of a complete unit, since mine is missing quite a few parts (see Want Ads). I also need information on striping, decals, etc.'
A letter comes from DeGARMAS NATURE PRODUCTS, Route 1, Box 266, Worthington, West Virginia 26591 (FRANK A. DeGARMAS). 'I would like to know the original colors of the two following gas engines-Unito ? HP type N, Shop No. 13781 mfg. by The United Factory Co., Cleveland, Ohio. And Alamo Blue Line, 6 HP Type A #21773 built by Alamo Mfg. Co., Hillsdale, Michigan.' (Please write if you can help Frank.)
PAUL W. CRANDALL (no address with this, but read on) would like us to know: 'Just a few lines to say how great your magazine is. I enjoy it very much. My son-in-law reads them when I've finished. He has just purchased a Shaw-Do all tractor and is interested in corresponding with anyone through your Smoke Rings column. It would really be a surprise to him. Thanks again for publishing such a great magazine.' (Thanks to you Paul, we're glad you like it and here's hoping your son-in-law gets some letters-mail to JIM HANSEL, RR 1, Box 67, Beecher, Illinois 60401.)
Hey-out there-anybody in the area of Brook, Indiana and surrounding territory interested in getting together a small model engine gas-up? Write BRUCE ERVIN, Route 2, Box 119, Brook, Indiana 47922. He will appreciate hearing from you interested folks. But hurry, with those letters-seems like there are some people already interested and would like to have a first show as soon as possible.
ARNOLD H. ODEGAARD, Y5206 18th Ave., West, Lynnwood, Washington 98036 would very much enjoy hearing from someone that has a Model EL Gibson tractor, 14 HP. And comments Arnold, 'Your magazine is most enjoyable.' (Thanks and we're happy that most of our subscribers feel that way.)
A call for HELP from NORMAN NYHOF, Route 1, Oostburg, Wisconsin 53070: 'I need help from your readers. Recently, I acquired a small one cylinder gas engine with coil and igniter ignition, 15?' flywheels with 15/8' face, 3?' bore and a 4' stroke. It also has a removable water hopper cover. There is no name on it or any clue for identification. Can anyone out there tell me what make it is-from the enclosed picture? Also what the original color might have been? Any help will be appreciated-and I am a regular subscriber to your magazine.'
Two photos come from JIM HICKEY, 1333 El Rey Ave., El Cajon, California 92021 and he says: 'The photos are of a 6 HP Meco. Meco stands for Manufacturers Engine Company. The design is very similar to the Witte engine. Bore and stroke is 6' x 8', the serial number is A1549. This engine, like the Witte was manufactured in Kansas City, Missouri. Note the unusual exhaust system which preheated air to the carburetor.'