Readers' Engine Questions
38/11/1: - Query of the Month Wizard Horizontal
Q: I have this Wizard 1 -1/2 HP (at 500 rpm) engine, serial no. 1656. It was made by Temple Pump Co., Chicago, Ill. I think it was made in the middle 1920s, but am not sure. It has a Wico magneto, but don't know if this is original. The engine came out of an Oregon estate. Any information on this engine would be appreciated. Leonard Kastner, P.O. Box 23, Lexington, TX 78947; (979) 773-2666.
A: We have almost zero information on your engine. According to C.H. Wendel's American Gas Engines Since 1872, your type of engine was first introduced in 1910. A picture of a similar Wizard appears on page 507 of Wendel's book, but there are numerous differences between it and your engine. Wendel suggest that Temple went out of business around 1914-1915, and at the time of his writing he noted that none of this style of engine was known to exist, making yours very rare, indeed.
38/11/2: 2 HP Majestic
Q: I have a 2 HP Majestic engine, serial no. 144737. It's complete and runs, but I have no information about its manufacture, etc. Also, what brazing rod do you use to braze platinum points on steel igniters, and what are good techniques to use when doing it? Steve Hay, 450 Interchange N., Lake Geneva, WI 53147; (414) 248-6157.
A: Your Majestic was marketed by Hartmann Co., Chicago, Ill., but made by Waterloo Gasoline Engine Co., Waterloo, Iowa.
According to Waterloo engine history buff James W. Priestley, Majestic engines were shipped directly to customers from the Waterloo plant or one of its branch houses. Deere & Company bought Waterloo in 1918, ending the supply of engines to companies such as Hartmann. Take a look at James' article on page 24 of the November 2001 issue of GEM. Your engine was built in 1917.
As to brazing points, we'll leave that to one of our more knowledgeable readers. If someone can help, please drop Steve a line or write to us here at GEM.
38/11/3: Waterloo Boy
Q: I have a Waterloo Boy engine that I want to repaint. According to the nameplate, this engine was sold by the T. Eaton Co. Ltd., Toronto and Winnipeg, Canada.
The engine has a 3-1/2-inch diameter bore and is rated at 1-1/2-2 HP. The ignition system is an igniter with battery. The carburetor is a Lunkenheimer. The cylinder oiler is located on the cylinder, but behind the water jacket (towards the crank). The design of my engine is similar to the 4 HP 1909 Waterloo Boy as shown on page 23 of the February 2000 issue of GEM.
I would very much like to know the paint color for this engine. Joseph Powers, R.R. 3, Hastings, ONT, Canada KOL 1YO.
A: You didn't supply a photo or give us a serial number, but from your description we're betting yours is of a type introduced in late 1911/early 1912. The location of the oiler is a big tip. As for color, Wendel's Notebook lists DuPont no. 2564 (dark red) for early engines and DuPont no. 5316 (green) for late engines.
38/11/4: Franklin Valveless
Q: I have just purchased a 30 HP Franklin valveless gas engine, serial no. E-5044. Can you tell me the year made and where I can get more information on the engine, like a service manual, etc? Love your magazine, it's great! Wayne R. Watson, 115223 Willow Road, Stockport, IA 52651-8122.
A: Unfortunately, we don't have any information on the Franklin, which was made by Franklin Valveless Engine Co., Franklin, Pa. With any luck, someone out there in the oil field side of things can help you out.
38/11/5: Fairbanks-Morse Engine?
I recently acquired a two-cylinder, two-cycle gas engine. It has a copper water jacket and is fitted with a Bosch magneto. Its nameplate identifies it as a Fairbanks-Morse, but I'm not sure if indeed FM built this engine. It is coupled to a 1-1/2-inch gear pump. The tag on the mounting frame reads: 'Fairbanks, Morse & Co., Forest Fire Pumping Outfit, Job No. 3493, Outfit No. K 2 D.'
There are no identifying numbers or names on the engine itself. According to American Gas Engines Since 1872, Fairbanks-Morse did not at first build engines but bought them from other builders and sold them under their name. I would very much appreciate some answer to this. Paul LeBoeuf, 12731 Highway 23, Belle Chasse, LA 70037.
38/11/6: Steam Siren
The Inco Metal Co. gave me a self-acting siren when I retired two years ago. It was used until the 1980s (when it was taken out of commission) to signify shift changes, fire calls and the 9 p.m. curfew for the city of Port Colborne, Ontario. I have not been able to find much information about it. The brass tag on the siren reads: 'F. Brown Patent Self-Acting Siren, Manufactured by the A&F Brown Co., New York USA.' Possibly someone might have information on it and when it was made?
The siren was actuated by steam produced from the company's furnaces, which always had an excess supply. The siren has a 3-inch feed line. When blown, it could be heard for up to five miles. Any help appreciated. Ron Baer, R.R. 1, Port Colborne, ONT, Canada L3K 5V3; or e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
38/11/7: Racine-Sattley Engines
Q: When did Racine-Sattley start manufacturing engines? According to Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since 1872, Montgomery, Ward & Co. acquired Racine-Sattley in 1916. How long did they build the Sattley? A Montgomery, Ward & Co. catalog (no. 22-23) shows their own Sattley line with a 3 HP kerosene. When did Montgomery, Ward & Co. start out-sourcing the Sattley line to manufacturers such as Nelson? Lynn Thayer, Box 136, Saxtons River, VT 05154.
A: There seems to be a lot of discussion surrounding the Sattley line and just who built what, and when. We don't have any definitive answers, but there was an interesting discussion on the subject on the SmokStak Internet bulletin board last year.
According to one post made during the discussion, Montgomery, Ward & Co. (herewith referred to simply as Wards) sold Racine-Sattley inverted engines in the late 1890s and 1900s until they switched to the Bulls Eye line of engines made by Jacobson in Warren, Pa. They also sold engines made by George B. Miller Co., Waterloo, Iowa.
According to this same source, Racine-Sattley engines sold by Wards after 1916 (and after they had bought out Racine-Sattley) were built by Field-Brundage of Jackson, Mich., and possibly even in the old Racine-Sattley factory. Wards contracted with Nelson at some point in the 1920s after Field-Brundage went out of business.
It's a bit convoluted, but essentially it appears Wards outsourced their engines from the very beginning and that, in effect, their purchase of Racine-Sattley never really made them a manufacturer in their own right. They were, it appears, simply trying to secure their right to the 'Sattley Line' of engines and farm equipment. Hope this helps, and if anyone knows more - or better - we'd like to hear from them.
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