A BRIEF WORD
The other day we received an excellent improvement for our suggested methods of picking up and handling engines safely. (See this column in the September issue.) Rather than using chains, a couple of readers suggested using nylon slings. They grip better, and are less likely to damage paint or engine parts. Each lifting situation is different the Reflector spent many years figuring out how to sling everything from switchgear and transformers to 2,500 horsepower electric motors. The important thing is that the lift be made in such a way that the slings cannot slip off while in the midst of the lift, the lift should remain reasonably level (and stable), and that the sling will not damage any components of the engine or other article being lifted.
Over the past few months, several readers have suggested that GEM initiate a column devoted to the needs of the model maker. The feeling seems to be that model making is now becoming a distinct part of our hobby and from the Reflector's viewpoint, one that is long overdue. There can be no doubt that the vast majority of collectible engines are now in collectors' hands, either restored or in their original state. Since obviously the day of these vintage engines is gone, the only viable alternative is to build a scale model.
Several advantages are evident building models is a fine way for amateur machinists to become more proficient. Upon successfully completing a project, the satisfaction of having built the engine is very rewarding. Engine enthusiasts are often constrained from owning full-size engines due to lack of space, inability to lift all this iron, or for other reasons. By contrast, the completed model can be easily carried from one place to another, making it easy to display either at home or at a show. No large truck is required it will fit into the trunk of the car!
Model making has been a long time coming in the U.S., but in particular among our British friends, model making has long been a very popular hobby. We hope it is now on its way to becoming a real presence in the gas engine hobby, and look forward to hearing from more of our readers in this regard. Meanwhile the people here at GEM will be discussing ways and means of implementing further activity geared toward the model maker. Meanwhile, the Reflector will welcome any letters or articles pertaining to the subject, and will include them as part of the monthly Reflections column.
A final note regarding models. The Reflector has tried to obtain more information on the status of the John Deere 1 HP engine models that were to be built in the Waterloo, Iowa area. An article recently printed in GEM indicated that the firm had gone through serious difficulties and the production of the scale models had been delayed. So far no substantive information has come to light. These situations can and do occur, but just because of the problems with this particular model, potential modelmakers should not get the impression that a similar situation exists among other suppliers of castings and model makers' supplies.
21/10/1Q. Russell M. Shipley, 12195 Rt. 99, Marriotsville, MD 21104 sends us two photos of a ground hog thresher built by Samuel Fitz, Hanover, Pa. The year 1862 appears in two places on the thresher. Mr. Shipley would like to hear from anyone having one of these threshers, and would like more information on either Mr. Fitz or his thresher. This particular one has three interchangeable concave bars, presumably for various types of grain. It also uses a two-section straw rack about 20 feet long that is built almost entirely of wood.
A. Finding any information on this unit might be very difficult at best. The year 1862 saw a time when 'factory production' was something devoted more to military ordinance and sewing machines than to farm machinery. Granted, some companies like McCormick and Case had factories, but a detailed study indicates that their operation at this point in time was an overgrown study of the local blacksmith shop. McCormick, Case, Rumely, and others all started as either blacksmiths or one-man factories, and we would suggest that Samuel Fitz began the same way. For every McCormick, every J. I. Case, and every Meinrad Rumely those whose venture turned into a huge enterprise, there were thousands of enterprising inventors who began and ended their careers in a localized setting.
21/10/2Q. Can you identify the application for a Webster magneto bracket 303K11 and 303K16? In a recent GEM you made mention of a Webster Master Manual. Is this volume available? James L. Johnson, 4115S. 298th Ct., Auburn, WA 98001.
A. The 303K11 is for the Field-Brundage engines. It was used with the AK magneto on the 3 and 5 HP models, and with the AL magneto on the 7, 10 and 12 HP engines. The 303K16 was used on the Galloway engines, 1 to 12 HP. The Webster Master Manual is as scarce as hen's teeth. The Reflector obtained a photocopy of same from the late Lester L. Roos some years ago.
21/10/3Dale Gunderson, RR 1, Box 299, Wittenberg, WI54499 asks for information, color scheme, etc. on the Jeffrey engine. It has no stampings or other markings.
21/10/4Q. We have an Edwards two-Cylinder engine built at Springfield, Ohio, s/n 18102. Would like to know its approximate age and would like to correspond with other Edwards engine owners. Gerrit Roozeboom, RR 5, Oskaloosa, IA 52577.
A. The Edwards were designed and built by some of the same people who formerly were involved with the Foos Gas Engine Co., also of Springfield. The Reflector cannot presently recall the particulars, but it is believed that production began about 1920 and continued for only a few years.
21/10/5Q. Can anyone provide the proper paint color for the Aermotor pump engine? Craig Lane, Crotched Mt. Rd.,, Greenfield, NH 03047.
A. We are told it is a light green color, but to our recollection, no one has yet supplied us with a matching number.
21/10/6Q. Earl B. Davison, 17250 Redford Ave., Detroit, MI 48219 encloses three photos of an engine and writes: I bought this engine in 1955 and have never known the make. Many said at first look it was built by a company that also made steam engines. The flywheels are 24 x 3, uses a hit-and-miss governor, the only writing on the engine is on the governor which reads '575 REV'. The fuel pump hooked up to exhaust rod, piston rod is rounded with a slight taper, cam gear has a fiber insert on one side of gear with a small square metal contact.
A. The so-called A-frame design of your engine represents what was once considered the ultimate in engine design. At this point the Reflector wouldn't even hazard a guess on this one.
21/10/7Q. Allen Dau, RR 1, Box 33, Hartley, IA 51346 sends a photo of an unknown engine owned fry 'Norman Wilson, Ocheyedan, IA 51354. It is approximately 1 HP. Note the distinctive heart-shaped weight holes in the flywheel. Would also like the proper color for the Fairbanks-Morse 'Z' engines.
A. Although we don't have a clue regarding the make of your engine, we can tell you that the 'Z' engine color is comparable to DuPont Dulux 9372001 green.
21/10/8Q. I have a Witte engine exactly like is shown in upper right hand corner, page 559 of American Gas Engines. The serial number is 51051. Can anyone supply the year built, along with the horsepower and color. Also need details of 'ground contact' on the crankshaft. Raymond L. Gray, No. 1, Honeymoon Hill, Gatlinburg, TN 37738.
A. The Reflections column recently published the complete name and address by which information regarding age, etc. regarding Witte engines might be obtained. So far as color, we have it that a comparable finish is DuPont Dulux 93-5800 green.
21/10/9Walter A. Taubeneck, 4213-80th St NE, Marysville, WA 98270 sends along a photocopy illustrating a circular-type magneto mounted on the crankshaft inside the flywheel. This method required no special gears, brackets or other fixtures. Timing was easily accomplished by rotating the magneto unit about the crankshaft. The article appears in the April, 1917 issue of Popular Mechanics magazine, but no information is given regarding the manufacturer, or to the rather peculiar engine on which it is mounted. Unfortunately, Walter's photocopy was too weak to reproduce. Even with this info, maybe someone can fill us in.
21/10/10Michael J. Bonger, 4685 Garrison St., Wheatridge, CO 80033 would like information concerning Minneapolis-Moline clubs, parts dealers, tractor decal sets etc.
21/10/11Q. The July 1985 GEM illustrates a Gibson tractor. It appears to be much like my 1937 OSCO, but on close examination, many differences are apparent. Can anyone assist me in compiling information on the OSCO? I have not seen another small tractor like it, so would be most interested in corresponding with anyone having another, or anyone with information on it. Have yet to hear of anyone who knows anything about it. David Hutton, 196 Palmer Road, Monson, MA 01057.
A. Ye Reflector has come across a lot of tractors, but OSCO doesn't appear in any publications we have. It would be most helpful if you could send us some photos for use in this column that might help in digging up information.
21/10/12Q. Eddie Turner, RR 2, Box 279-B, Pamplico, SC 29583 asks some questions and offers some suggestions: We need more information on the Vaughn engines built by Vaughn Motor Works, Portland, Oregon. We have two on log saws, and one on skids. Need information in particular on the magneto and spark advance. Can anyone advise their age from the serial numbers? Also have John Deere Type W power unit, s/n W-2404, and would like to know its age. My 20 HP Muncie oil engine, Type B, carries s/n 3204. It uses a 9x13 inch bore and stroke. Would like to talk to anyone who has this type of engine.
For the benefit of other readers, a Muncie catalog states that 'after April 18, 1913, the firm name Muncie Gas Engine & Supply Co. will be changed to Muncie Oil Engine Co. This is only a change in name.... We have adopted as a standard color for painting our engines a dull engine gray, but are in a position to meet any other requirements along this line.' In matching this color we finally settled on Fixall, All-Purpose Enamel, #207 Slate Gray with 1 oz. of black added to each quart.
A. We have no information at hand on the Vaughan engines, and have a 1935 issue of the Deere Type W engine catalog. Our files on Deere do not, however, contain any data pertaining to years of production or to serial numbers.
21/10/13Q. I have a Hart-Parr GT-28 tractor with an American Bosch 4.ED-243 magneto, and need to find a source of parts or repairs. Walter B. Gore, RR 1, Box 25, Reva, VA 22735.
A. Magneto repair services are not so easy to find nowadays, but there are several GEM advertisers and subscribers who provide this service. Hopefully, one or more of these people will be in touch with you.
21/10/14Q. I recently acquired a small hit-and-miss engine that is not listed in your volume American Gas Engines. It uses a hinged bearing cap on the connecting rod, and is secured with a single bolt. It was built by C. H. & E. Mfg. Co., Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I submit that I have the only one of its kind and if anyone cares to dispute this I would like to hear from them. H. J. Carpenter, 111 Viewmont Dr., Greenville, SC 29609.
A. Page 76 of American Gas Engines does indeed list the C. H. & E. Mfg. Co. of Milwaukee, illustrating four examples of their engines. Although the company was in operation as late as 1982, and still may be in operation, the Reflector's efforts to elicit a response from this company went unanswered. The hinged bearing cap for the connecting rod is not all that unusual. Cushman, Monitor (Baker Mfg. Co.), Fairmont, and others used this design, as did a good many marine engines. The Reflector has only laid eyes on one of these engines, and that was several years ago at Baxter, Iowa. Unless this same engine has migrated out your way, we know of at least one other. Regardless, we would consider the C. H. St E. to be a very scarce article.
21/10/15Q. Can anyone supply further information on this burr mill? It was built by Barnard & Leas Mfg. Co., Moline, Illinois. The gear box runs in oil and the vertical shaft uses three oilers. It has three sets of burrs and two adjusting knobs. Any information on the mill, or on the company will be appreciated. James Phillips, 20 Oak Park Drive, St. Peters, MO 63376.
A. We would suggest that this 3-stage mill was a Barnard & Leas alternative to the two or three-high roller mills made famous by Edward P. Allis & Company (later Allis-Chalmers). Barnard & Leas started out at Moline, and later ended up in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Their career in the flour milling machinery business gradually withered away, and the company attempted to diversify into such markets as heavy equipment trailers etc., especially tailored to military use. Several years ago the company experienced financial problems and ceased operations.
21/10/16Q. I need the following information on a Dempster 1 HP engine built in the late 1920'sinstructions, decals, proper color, etc. Richard D. Nielsen, 9122 W. 66th Pl, Arvada, CO 80002.
A. We have never run across any manuals or decals for the Dempster, but have been given DuPont Dulux 93-046 green as a comparable color.
21/10/17Q. Would like the date built of a 6 HP Monitor (Baker Mfg. Co.) engine, s/n 3364, also the proper paint color. Wendell Stephens, Box 188, Paradise, MT 59856.
A. We don't know of any serial number listings for the Monitor but have DuPont Dulux 93-538 gray as a comparable color match.
21/10/18Jan vander Gugten, 2633 Ware St., Abbotsford, B.C. V2S 3E2 Canada encloses a photo of his Fairbanks-Morse No. 2 Eclipse engine. Despite several advertisements soliciting information on this engine, he hasn't heard from anyone. If anyone can assist this collector, kindly drop him a line.
21/10/19Q.I recently acquired a Gray marine engine, Model O, s/n 378 (or possibly 373). It was obviously used on a boat and is missing most of the carburetor and timing apparatus. Your help is needed to determine the vintage, horsepower, and other references that would assist in restoration of this engine. V. Cassel Adamson, Jr., Crozet House, 100 East Main St., Richmond, VA 23219.
A. Assistance in this project will have to come from those already owning a similar engine. The Reflector is sure that there are some present owners who are also GEM subscribers, and we hope they will accommodate your needs by offering dimensions, etc. to help out.
21/10/20Q. Can someone help me out with a Fuller & Johnson engine, 2 HP s/n 84747. Need the color scheme, year built, and other pertinent information. Ralph Hendrickson, Box 55, Nineveh, NY 13813.
A. For information on the Fuller & Johnson engines, along with serial number information, contact: Verne W. Kindschi, RR 1, Box 66, Prairie du Sac, WI 53578. Be sure to enclose an SASE and a small token to cover the effort of digging out the information. (That's always a goodwill gesture!)
21/10/21Q. What is the proper color for a 2 HP Witte engine? Michael E. Pelham, 403 Gaines St., Sparta, TN 38583.
A. The Reflections column recently published the complete name and address by which information regarding age, etc. regarding Witte engines might be obtained. So far as color, we have it that a comparable finish is DuPont Dulux 93-5800 green.
21/10/22Q. See below photo of my Model D Homelite portable electric plant. It is 12 volts, 600 watts, s/n 13536. It was built in 1924 by Homelite Corporation, Port Chester, NY, and uses an inverted cylinder with a Robert Bosch magneto. Since I do not have a voltage regulator or wiring diagram, I would like to know if a 12-volt automotive regulator and storage battery could be used to replace the original. Also would like to hear form anyone having a similar unit to this one. Dean C. Barr, RR 2, Box 460, Hiddinite, NC 28636.
A. In visiting with those knowledgeable on the subject, it would appear that an ordinary 12-volt regulator could be adapted to your generator, but we would suggest taking the nameplate data to a good automotive electric shop and see if they can match the regulator up to your wattage etc. Regulators ordinarily come from the factory preset for a specific application, based primarily on the maximum output of the generator, along with the probable load during operation. If all else fails we can see no reason not to use a field rheostat to regulate the voltage manually this is no problem on a constant load, but of course the rheostat must be adjusted to maintain the proper voltage when the load changes.
21/10/23 Q. can anyone tell me the proper color for a 3 HP Lindsay Alamo engine? Would also like some information, color, etc. on a Big Chief engine built by Waterloo Gasoline Engine Co. Cort Strobel, Gibson Rt 618, Big Timber, MT 59011.
A. We cannot give you a comparable color for the Lindsay Alamo, but recall seeing a Big Chief one time it was a very deep red similar to DuPont 93-660-H.
21/10/24Q. I have a Fairbanks-Morse engine, Type Z, Style B, 5 HP, s/n 807443. Would like to know its age and find a manual for it. This engine uses a Fairbanks-Morse RV-1 magneto. Also, how do I tell the difference between a hit-and-miss and a throttling governor? Lyle G. Jenkins, 3111 Kris Kringle Drive, North Pole, Alaska 99705.
A. Your engine is of 1938 vintage. Reprint instruction manuals are available through several different GEM advertisers. Hit-and-miss governing depends on a mechanical linkage controlled by the governor to disable the exhaust valve mechanism. Usually a small catch block is mounted on the exhaust valve push rod and a mating finger controlled by the governor drops into place, holding the exhaust valve open when the engine reaches a speed predetermined by the tension of the governor springs. When the engine speed drops sufficiently, the governor contracts enough to allow the finger to pull away from the push rod, enabling the normal cycle of events to occur namely, intake, compression, power, and exhaust. An important point is maintaining a rather low speed differential between the enabled and disabled position of the governor finger. On the vast majority of engines this is achieved by changing the clearance between the catch block and the governor finger when the engine is at rest. Using a distance of say ' would require considerably more movement of the linkage than would a distance of 1/16'. Thus, with a large clearance, the speed would vary considerably from rather fast to quite slow. Due to wear of the rolling parts, linkages, etc. excessive wear will result in poor or virtually nonexistent governor action. The small roller usually found on one end of the actuating finger operates from the governor collar. When this roller is worn, excessive clearances result between the catch block and the governor finger. The best remedy is to make a new roller, making it of sufficient diameter to achieve a favorable speed differential between firing strokes and idle strokes. Due to wear of operating parts, some experimenting may be necessary to restore this feature to its original specs. Volume governed or 'throttle governed' engines do not use this feature in any way. Instead the governor simply controls a butterfly within the intake stream.
21/10/25Q. Need to know the date for a Witte log saw, s/n 102417, also for an IHC LBA engine, s/n 129712. Is the engine in a 1935 Allis-Chalmers original carrying the number U3019-5? The tractor is s/n 9814. Who built the engine? Wendell Allen, RR 3, Box 383, Eldorado Springs, MO 64744.
A. See an earlier mention in this column regarding Witte serial numbers. The LBA engine is a 1947 model. Records from Allis-Chalmers indicate your Model U to have been built either in 1936 or 1937. These models used an Allis-Chalmers engine. When originally presented as the U, 19-30 model in 1929 this tractor carried a Continental engine, using it through 1932. For 1933-37 Allis-Chalmers used their own engine, raising the bore from 4 to 43/8 inches. From 1938 until the end of production in 1950 the bore was again raised, this time to 4 inches. The 'U' was tested at Nebraska under No. 237 of 1935. Further particulars may be found in the book Nebraska Tractor Tests Since 1920.
21/10/26Q. Can you supply the proper color for the following engines: Cushman Cub, Model 3R14; Sattley (Montgomery Ward) 1 HP; IHC type LA; Economy engine (Sears & Roebuck). Mel Cichy, 526 12 St. So., Saint Cloud, MN 56301.
A. See the list at the end of this column for colors on the Economy and IHC engines. We do not have good color matches for the early Sattley, nor for the Cushman Cub.
21/8/16Diesel engine conversion for IH tractors R. G. McDonalds, Box 275, N. Haverhill, NH 03774 recalls that the GM 3-71's were advertised as being available for the Farmall M and W-6 International tractors, but can offer no other details from memory.
21/8/11David Bradley garden tractors These were made in 2, 3, and 4 HP sizes. The 2 HP came with 26' steel wheels, while the 3 and 4 HP sizes came with 32' steel wheels. They were also available with 34x6.00-22 knobby tread rubber tires. Mine is No. 917.5047 and it was built in 1940. The transmission, frame, rods, pulleys, brackets, supports, etc. are red, similar to IHC red. The wheels are green, similar to Deere green. Engine is black, while the transmission and engine oil filler plugs are blue, and the drain plugs are yellow. Sears had the 'Economy' name on the engine in decal form. I have a complete tractor and engine operating manual and will supply anyone interested with copies of any pages for 25 cents per page. Leigh B. Dennison, Box 873, Delta Junction, Alaska 99737.
21/4/10Nelson Bros, engines
21/7/17Fairbanks-Morse engines Ronald O. Payne, RR 2, Canton, IL 61520 replies to several queries: Add the Monmouth engines to the large list of makes built by Nelson Bros. Also, regarding FBM engine information, there is a possibility that information might be secured from the Fairbanks-Morse Engine Division, 701 Lawton Ave., Beloit, WI 53511.
Those needing help with Novo engines might have some success with writing Mr. Phil Goetz, 4481 N. Williamston Rd., Williamston, MI 48895.
The John M. Smythe engines built were sold from Chicago, and this firm is still in business as John M. Smythe Homemakers, 1013 Butterfield Road, Downer's Grove, IL 60515.
21/8/I6Diesels in IHC tractors Edwin Bredemeier, Steinauer, NE 68441 writes that he was unfamiliar with this being done in the 22-36 McCormick, but does tell us that he met someone who knew of a few Case Model L tractors converted to use the GM 3-71 diesel engine equipped with 90cc injectors. Under a heavy, continuous load like rod weeders the transmission 'got awful hot.' The Model 71 GM diesels were also retrofitted to Caterpillar D-8 tractors on the West Coast.
21/3/18A question on Reo engines H. Rossow, Box 15, Weston, ID 83286 writes: I have a little generator unit made for Montgomery Ward called 'Tiny Tim.' I finally tracked down the builder and it was a Continental Engine Co. They are now a subsidiary of Wisconsin-Robbins (Italy) with facilities at Milwaukee, WI and offices at Memphis, TN. My unit is older than 1946. I find it hard to believe that there would be a third Continental Engine Co. In my correspondence with the above firm there was no mention of a Deco Engine Co. I have been able to locate the compression rings for the Tiny Tim, but so far have been unable to find the oil ring. It doesn't seem to be available from anyone.
Associated engine serial numbers Several letters came in regarding a recent article on the Associated engine serial numbers and years of production. Since these contain primarily serial number information, they will be forwarded directly to Mr. Mackey who graciously compiled the articles beginning on page 15 of the August, 1986 issue of GEM.
21/8/11Standard Twin Garden Tractor In response, special tractor wheels for the Standard Twin were optional. Price List #1-39 lists the wheels with 5.50-18 tires for $30 additional; 7.50-18 tires added another $40. Another price list indicates that the wheels with 7.50-18,4-ply field tread tires raised the price by $62.50.
We would like to know if anyone has information on dates of manufacture? Do the first two digits of the serial number indicate the year the tractor was built? Some Twins had both the intake and exhaust manifold on the left side of the engine, others had only the intake on the left side. When did this change occur, and which was the earlier version? Ron Weiner, 4928 Oak Leaf Ave., Carmichael, CA 95608.
21/6/7Pendulum governors Ray Hudson, Box 1, Site 2, RR 3, Coronation, Alta, T0C 1C0 Canada kindly forwarded considerable information on various types of governors. Since a lengthy answer was published last month, we will hold this information for future use.
21/6/20Fairbanks-Morse Mode! 32 engines The Reflector included a query on these big diesels a while back, and letters are still coming in on the subject. To put it another way, the response has been overwhelming, and we are delighted to know that there are a great many enthusiasts interested in the large diesels.
Mr. Albert Gingras, 763 Templeton Rd., Athol, MA 01331 forwarded an extensive letter, along with information on obtaining a dial-type strain gauge.
Mr. B. J. Holmbeck, 241 Kalbaugh, Ramona, CA 92065 forwarded a 16page letter detailing many of the 'little' things involved with erecting and operating large diesels. Mr. Holmbeck, now retired, relates that he was born at Beloit, Wisconsin. Fairbanks-Morse gave him his first job off the farm as a Diesel engine tester's helper. That was back in 1936 on the large engine test floor.
Mr. Lloyd McGowen, Route 4, Box 518, Easley, SC 29640 forwards two photos illustrating some of his personal collection of 'big' engines. Several GEM articles have appeared in this regard over the years Sept-Oct 1971, page 19; Jul-Aug 1972, page 3; and Jan-Feb 1973, page 3.
McGowen's horizontal Fairbanks-Morse diesel engine. Nicknamed the 'Mad Bull' because of the exhaust configuration.
2I/5/11Asbestos Sheet Packing Despite the Reflector's good intentions in mentioning a GEM advertiser as a possible source for this material, the intention was not well received by another GEM advertiser. Having once before gotten into this unenviable position, the Reflector announces that insofar as possible we will refrain from mentioning sources of supply, should it involve current GEM advertisers.
Rather than include our usual closing word and Tip of the Month, we include for your reading pleasure and future reference a considerable inventory of paint color matchups. These were forwarded by Philip DeJarlais, 620 Dayton Road, Champlin, MN 55316. Prior to retirement, Mr. DeJarlais was superintendent in a sheet metal manufacturing plant and was responsible for information relating to painting to the company representatives all over the country.
The information came primarily from customers, so no guarantees are made regarding authenticity.
John Deere Green
Coast-to-Coast 555-2221 -2744-02
John Deere Yellow
DeRusto D-6 Pom Pom Yellow
NAPA Martin Senour
NAPA Martin Senour 7822
Rust-O-Leum 1382 Forest Green
Dupont Dulux 43124 Oxblood Red
DuPont Dulux 93-2564H Deep Red
DuPont Dulux 93-005 Super Black
DuPont Dulux 24166 Brewster Green
Ditzler DQE40159 Apple Green
DuPont Dulux 1434 Mohawk Red
PPG 732, DuPont 97708 green
H-19 Rust-O-Leum (matches H-21 Ford Red)
H-l Rust-O-Leum Persian Orange
H-6 Rust-O-Leum Flambeau Red
Rust-O-Leum #659 H-18
Farm Implement Red
Rust-O-Leum 1210 red, H-2 IHC red
New Idea Orange
Rust-O-Leum H-25, #559
Rust-O-Leum 975 Navy Gray,