A Brief Word
27/6/34 Walsh Garden Tractor Q. See the photo of my Walsh garden tractor, s/n D8513. I would like some information as to when it was built, and the like. I have the plow, cultivator, and disc for it. E. M. Konopik, 637 S. Columbia, Seward NE 68434.
A. Can anyone be of help on this query?
27/6/35 Road Scraper Q. I recently acquired the small road scraper shown in the photo. One tag reads: Good Roads Machinery Co., Kennett Square, Penna. Another tag reads: Mfd. By American Road Machinery Co., American Plant, Kennett Square, Penna. Serial No. W-64- So far I can find no information on this company. Can anyone be of help? Wayne A. Beggs, RFD 2, Box 799, Lincolnton, GA 30817-9550.
27/6/36 Stover and Bulldozer Pump Q. I have a 1926 Stoker engine with a Myers Bulldozer Pumping Unit. How many of these engine-pump units were built? Cast into the pump is '3x4,' and I assume this means the bore and stroke. Also see the photo of a Stover pump jack that I've made into an oilfield exhibit. Wayne R. Philpot, RR 1, Box 144-A, Santa Anna, TX 76878.
A. Myers was a very large builder of pumps like yours, and we would guess that they built them by thousands upon thousands. Even so, relatively few still remain-most of them have long since been scrapped. Yours would be the 3 x 4 inch model, and this size was one of the most popular it seems.
27/6/37 Witte Diesel Q. See the photo of a Witte Diesel, s/n D 1951. It is a 6 HP model. Any information on this engine, including operating instructions, will be greatly appreciated. Bruce C. Siedentopf, 1659 Somerset Avenue, Dighton, MA 02715.
A. The serial number information is available from Mr. Robert A. Holman, Lister-Petter, 555 E. 56 Hwy, Olathe, KS 66061.
27/6/38 Farmall Information Q. I have a Farmall tractor with the number AA J 7073 stamped on the block on the left side, towards the front. Also on the block is cast 4-10-36. What model and year tractor is this? It is on rubber and has round spokes, both front and rear. Any information will be appreciated. John Lang, Indian Head, Sask S0G 2K0 Canada.
A. We're not sure, since we can find no IHC models with an AA prefix. The F-20 of 1936 would have used a TA prefix, but the numbers for 1936 don't match up with the one you have given. Is this the engine number or the chassis number?
27/6/39 Red-E-Tractor Q. I have just acquired my oldest garden tractor, and it is a Red-E-Tractor, Pat. No. 1,578,343 and No. 1,701,726. The motor is No. 8378. It was built by Pioneer Mfg. Co., Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and uses a Bosch MJC IB-2 magneto. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Dan Holton, RR 2, Box 159D, Excelsior Springs, MO 64024.
27/6/40 LeRoi Engines. I have received some information on LeRoi engines. First the color-if finished at the factory it was gunmetal blue or battleship gray. In some cases, the engines were shipped from the factory painted a red or yellow zinc oxide primer, and later painted to match the equipment they were to power. There is no service data to be had, and no parts available, nor have I found any method of dating these engines. Francis Kurtis, 618 Anderson Rd., Niles, Ml 49120.
27/6/41 Gault Engines Q. I have a 2? HP Gault engine, and need information on it, especially the correct color. Also need any information on a Wizard bicycle engine. Richard D. Nielson, 9122 W. 66th PI., Arvada, CO 80004.
A. If anyone has the above painting information, please also pass it along to the Reflector!
27/6/42 Associated Engine Q. I'm writing in hopes that someone might be able to supply information ona1? HP Associated engine, s/n 341035; it has a 3? x 5 inch bore and stroke. Any information or photocopies will be greatly appreciated, as I have tried all my Australian contacts, but to no avail. Grant Morris, 27 Maxwell St., Mossman 4873 Australia.
27/6/43 Barco Inquiry Many thanks to Jim Barker, PO Box 68, Zionsville, PA 18092 for sending along an old instruction manual for a Barco Tamper. Those familiar with the construction business in years gone by will remember seeing one of these mankillers at work. As an IBEW journeyman, ye olde Reflector was able to stay away from these outfits, but it always seemed to us that operating one of these gas operated tampers was like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded chamber in the pistol! We'll grant that they are an interesting curiosity appearing every once in a while at a show, and we certainly commend those who have taken the time and patience to restore and preserve them. (However, ye olde Reflector has one of those gas-operated pogo sticks, but we think it's missing some parts, and have never tried to use it.)
27/6/44 Information Needed Q. What is the year built for Witte engine 58773 and 56788? Also what is a good color match for the red used on the F-M 'Z' engines with the dishpan flywheels? Bill Hash, PO Box 261, Peterstown, WV 24963.
A. Both Witte engines were built in 1922. We're guessing that DuPont 674 Red, the same as used on IHC and Case, would be pretty close. Has anyone out there done a match on FBM Red? If so, let us hear from you.
27/6/45 Bolens Garden Tractor Q. Can anyone supply decals for a Bolens Garden tractor? Mark A. Wiseman, 11656HogheRd., Van Wert, OH45891.
A. Well, can anyone supply them?
27/6/46 Leafrollers Beware!. The magneto spark on my Case 25-45 was weak, so I had the magneto rebuilt. Great! The old engine ran like new. The next week I went to run it, the spark was not consistent. No. 3 was good, bad, or nothing. I spent three hours checking things out. No loose or poor connections, new plug??? Then I looked deep inside the distributor cap, where the spark plug wire is held in place with a setscrew, and then I saw the problem. There are two small weep holes in the bottom of the distributor cap. A leaf roller insect had got up in there and built a nest of mud and pieces of leaves on top of No. 3 connection. I have been working with farm tractors since 1932 and there is something new every week! Jack Mulford, 8894 Upper Lake Rd., Lodi, NY 14860.
27/6/47 Witte Information Q. I have a 2 HP Witte T/G engine which is missing the nameplate. Is there any other place on the engine where the number might be stamped? If not, how can I determine the age of the engine? Any information will be appreciated. Gordon E. Hopper, 75 Kendall Ave., Framingham, MA 01701.
A. It may be stamped on top of the water hopper or above the head', and it's remotely possible that it may be stamped on the end of the crankshaft. If not located, we would need a photo of the engine, and even then we could only approximate its age.
27/6/48 Rock IslandQ. I have a 2 HP Rock Island, s/n A40351, see photo. There isn't a part on the engine that isn't stuck solid except the wheels on the trucks. The crank on one side is badly bent, but I think I can straighten it out, if the wheel isn't sprung also. I would like to know the date of this engine, and the proper colors. I know the main parts of the engine were brown, but it looks like the head, rocker arm, and bracket were silver. Could that be how it came out originally? Any other painting and striping information on this engine would also be appreciated. Kent Zobel, Rt 1, Box 35-A, Monroe, NE 68647.
A. We've never seen the Rock Island as anything but brown. This doesn't mean that the scheme is somehow incorrect-it could well have had the head, rocker arm, and bracket in silver. We know of no way to date the engine from the serial number.
27/6/49 Empire Tractor Q. After looking and dreaming for five years, I finally broke down and purchased a 1948 Model 88, Empire tractor. The steering gear and the seat are all that are missing. I'm looking for any information including the color, year made, etc., and would like to correspond with other owners of Empire tractors. Any replies will be appreciated. John Austin Ellsworth, 112 W. Third St., Lewes, DE 19958.
27/6/50 Briggs & Stratton Q. I have a generator set with a Briggs & Stratton Mode! 23 engine. It is a beltdriven Winco generator, 115/230 volts, 15/15 amps, and 3600 r.p.m., built by Winchester Corporation, Sioux City, Iowa. Can anyone tell me the year built, or provide any service information? The generator is Model 305B29S-3M/A. I also have a Witte engine, No. B39780. When was it built? James Oster, 4 Julia Ave., Chicopee, MA 01020.
A. As noted earlier in this column, sometimes one can be successful in finding an electric motor shop with the necessary drawings and schematics pertaining to the above generator. The Witte engine was built September 1926.
27/6/51 IHC Grain Binder Q. See the photo of an IHC grain binder. Can anyone supply any information as to the age of this unit, the color scheme, etc.? Gene Bishop, Rt 2, Box 155-A, Willis, VA 24380.
A. We would suggest looking for an old operator's book and parts book at the swap meets or from the book dealers. Next, we would suggest the reprint of the IHC Catalog which pictures the binder in color. It is available from GEM.
27/6/52 Starting Up. See the photo of a 1/3 HP motor belted to a 1 ? HP gas engine. This setup turns the engine over to aid in starting. Before starting, close the needle valve, open the air intake, and hold exhaust valve open until flywheel rolls good, let up on exhaust valve, open needle valve, and close down air intake until engine runs smoothly. Remove belt and fine tune the gas and the timing. Lotus W. Alexander, 1448 Franklin St., Columbus, IN 47201.
27/6/53 Monitor Engine Q. My husband has been in the old gas engine business for a long time. Now I have my own engine-a Monitor Type VJ, 1? HP, s/n 43202.
The engine was given to me by a friend. It appears to be complete, but it has a homemade ignition system. We haven't started it yet-we need to know the oil capacity and the timing mark locations. Where might I find an operator's manual? Can anyone help? Edith L. Poulson, PO Box 325, Mayer, AZ 86333.
A. Can you help Mrs. Poulson? If so, kindly do so.
27/6/54 Unidentified Engine Q. Can anyone identify the engine in the photo? The nameplate reads: Engine No. 15JK 10400, 1?-2 HP. Edward Dawson, PO Box 847, Soap Lake, WA 98851.
A. This is a Hercules JK model. They were built in the 1929-34 period.
27/6/55 ASME Information Walt Taubeneck, 11801 52nd Drive NE, Marysville, WA 98270 writes that some historical information is available from the ASME. For instance, they have a book entitled, 'National Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmarks.' Further information is available from: Public Information Department, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 345 East 47th Street, New York, NY 10017.
27/6/56 Magnet Chargers Q. See the two photos of Weidenhoff chargers. The smaller one uses 12 volts DC, and weighs about 15 pounds. The larger one weighs about 100 pounds. It too is a Weidenhoff, but operates off 110 volts AC. Any information on using these chargers will be appreciated. Edgar M. Miller, 946 Deer Park Rd., Westminster, MD 21157.
A. When recharging magnets, establish the N and S poles of the charger with a decent compass. Don't get too close, or you'll simply change the polarity of the needle! Also establish the polarity of the magnet, and always place unlike poles adjacent to each other. There is nothing to be gained in reversing the original polarity of the magnets. We can tell you that for our part, the big Weidenhoff with the Tungar bulb rectifiers is far better than the smaller version. The big one has something like 3000 amp-turns and it can sock a charge to an Alnico magnet. Amp-turns means that there are sufficient turns on the magnets so that if this was a single coil of wire, it would pass 3000 amperes! Although we've charged a lot of magnets, we don't have any kind of manual or instructions. Does anyone have a copy of this information they could photocopy for Mr. Miller?
27/6/57 Ziegler-Schryer Information Q. Can anyone provide the proper color scheme for an 8 HP Ziegler-Schryer engine? It is similar in design to the Rawleigh Schryer. C. Adrian Jenkins, PO Box 45135, Baton Rouge, LA 70895.
27/6/58 Cletrac Information Needed Q. What is the proper color for a 1942 Cletrac AG-6 crawler? I also have a 1930 Model 35 Caterpillar with a factory hydraulic dozer. What is its proper color? Also the colors for the 2? HP Lauson and the Coldwell Hit-and-Miss models. Roger Bloom, RD 3, Box 6, Arcadia Rd., Goshen, NY 10924.
A. Cletrac Orange is Martin-Senour 90T-3728 or Ditzler 60583. We have early Cat Yellow as being Martin-Senour 90T2451 Yellow. There is also Cat Yellow #2 which is Martin-Senour 90T306. We're not sure when the color changes were made. Can anyone supply the colors for these two engines?
27/4/9 John Deere L In this number, it states that Mr. Green's Model L is a 1934 model. This must be a misprint because the Model L was not introduced until late 1937 and they had a top shift transmission made by Spicer Mfg. Company. This transmission was used on Model L tractors up to s/n 628999. Beginning with s/n 629000 the top shift transmission was replaced with a side shift transmission built by John Deere. The photos clearly show a side shift transmission, so Mr. Green's tractor was built between August 1939 and June 1946, when this tractor was discontinued. Donald Z. O'Bier, Star Route, Box 584, Lottsburg, VA 22511.
27/6/14 Is A Sheffield The engine shown on this number is a Sheffield used by the railroad on motor cars. I had one just like the one pictured. There was a hand clutch on the flywheel side (note long crankshaft in picture). I built a small car and used the engine on it. When I got it licensed, the Department of Motor Vehicles for West Virginia named it a 1938 Sheffield. The only reverse it had was to idle the engine, reverse the spark so engine would backfire, and reverse direction. It would go as fast in reverse as it would forward. I traded it for a 1924 Model TT Ford truck. I am trying now to get it back from the man I traded it to after 55 years. The engine was built in the late 1920s I would guess. R. W. Doss, 5950 Wilson Dr., Huntington, WV 25705.
Hocking Valley Mfg. Company
Regarding this query, it appears that Hocking Valley Mfg. Company was organized as early as 1869. Theodore Mithoff became sole owner in 1883. Initially they made threshers and horse powers. A little later they added rotary harrows, feed cutters and post hole diggers. Later on they added grain drills and corn shelters. The latter became very popular and were built in large quantities. The company went out of business about 1937. Thanks to Bob Crist, 1500 Graylock St., Lancaster, OH 43130 for sending this information.
Maynard Engine Information I agree with the statement that the 1916 Maynard models from the Charles Williams Stores were not supplied by Nelson, but most likely from Jacobson. However, a 1919 manual and parts list shows that these engines are clearly from Nelson Bros. In fact, the entire manual is exactly word for word like the Nelson Jumbo manual. This type of vendor changing explains some of the confusion with the list of Nelson names. I would continue to be wary, however, of any of these which clearly do not exhibit the Nelson design marks. I found my magneto bracket to be 303K37 for the 1? HP model. None of the pictured engines had the vertical exhaust style as on mine.
I would like to add my stated interest in Bluffton information, and interest in the later 1? HP Maynard, and will continue to research all Nelson-related information I can locate. Depending on the response I get from GEM readers, I may place an ad for applicable documentation and/or pictures for possibly compiling a more detailed GEM article in the future.
Many thanks to Mark T. Baier, 11 Pleasant Street, Milford, MA 01757 for spending a great amount of time trying to sort this one out! We know that Nelson built engines for numerous vendors, but the extent of this has been difficult to ascertain. Mark has also done a lot of work in establishing the common points of design among the Associated and its clones; likewise with the Sandy McManus line-its clones include the John Smythe, Faultless, Hartman, and many others. We'll try to use this information in a coming issue. Thanks again!
27/3/3 Lauson Military. This is a World War Two engine, part of a portable gasoline heater for ground use to heat cabins for work crews, and to warm aircraft engines for winter starts, de-ice wings, etc. It was a Stewart-Warner heater. Portable on two small retractable wheels with a tubing handle and a sheet metal handle and a sheet metal skid bottom. It had a Roots blower for gasoline mix to burner and engine. The (HOT) on the engine referred to both the engine and burner and the flexible ducts. The shielded ignition was because of radio noise interference to aircraft and control towers at the airport. (Clark tugs also had shielded ignition developed at Wright Field where I worked for 29 years.) The engine has a squirrel cage blower on the long shaft that was coupled to the Roots blower. The oil sump is a plunger pump that pumps oil into a trough. The connecting rod splashes in the trough. A word of caution: These pump plungers stick and cause oil failure. I used one of these engines on a cement mixer in 1946, and still have it. I took the bottom oil sumps off and used a steel plate and gasket on the bottom. I made a carburetor flange and brazed it to a round intake pipe and to another flange to fit the engine, and used a small engine carburetor. I could set the butterfly by hand to the desired speed. It is a good running engine. The round handle was opened and closed for starting the engine, then running the burner. The engine magneto fired one engine plug and one burner plug. The switch grounded the magneto to stop the unit. Speed control of the engine was a screw plug with a lock nut in the manifold. Floyd E. Stahl, 110 N. Adams St., New Carlisle, OH 45344-1801.
Thanks also to Alex H. Benke, Route 32, Box 175-Z, San Antonio, TX 78249. He sent a letter containing the same information on the above question.
GM Corporate Blue. In reply to an earlier inquiry, this is #221 Plastikote Engine Enamel. Stan Davis, Rt 8, Box 112, Live Oak, FL 32060.
27/3/15 Fordson Inquiry. On all Fordsons, the serial number is stamped on the motor on the righthand side (near the front-most intake and exhaust manifold flanges). Sometimes owners turned the manifold upside down and used an updraft carburetor. This would cover up the number which is found between the two front 'port holes' and about a half inch below the head. However, with interchangeable parts, it may not be an original engine. Some replacement engines are marked with an 'R' prefix, others are smaller length numbers.
As for colors, Fordson American 'F' Gray is DuPont Dulux 015. Fordson Red is DuPont Dulux 028H. The official Ford 8-N yellowish gray is close, while the Ford 9-N takes a more battleship blue-gray, not too far from X-0 Rust's 'Machinery Gray.' X-0 Rust Blue is similar to the English's Coventry Blue used on the English Fordson 'N' models, but the X-0 Rust Orange is too 'orangish' and needs to be toned down. When faded out, it is closer. Jack Heald, National Director, Fordson Tractor Club, 250 Robinson Road, Cave Junction, OR 97523.
27/2/13 Gladden Corporation. While I have not seen a Busy Bee 5 HP of Larry Myer's, I am a bit familiar with Gladden Corporation. They started during World War Two producing aircraft parts, primarily landing gear struts, and the Busy Bee I am told for auxiliary generators aboard aircraft. After the war, production centered around engines similar to a Briggs 7 HP of the era, in 4, 5, and 7? HP ranges. They were quality products with a cast steel block and an insert rod bearing on a crank running on tapered roller bearings. For service information on the Gladden line see any of the Small Engine Service Manuals through the 7th Edition.
No doubt what kept production alive on these engines from 1947 to 1965 was the production of a sister engine for the Mustang scooter. It was what every scooter enthusiast wanted, and I am sure there are lots of GEM readers that remember the Mustang. Thousands were made, and restored machines fetch high prices today. Wallace Skyrman, 4588 Pacific Hwy North, Central Point, OR 97502.
A Closing Word
We just got a couple of photos of an unidentified engine, so we'll include them here as Query 27/6/59. The engine is owned by Walter Isham, 123 Raymond Drive, Hampden, MA 01036. This engine features a three-piece casting...note four hold down bolts through the hopper. The engine is marked 3 HP, and has a dry head. Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Since we're past 30 pages of typewritten copy this month, we'll close here, and see you again next month.