36/7/2 IHC LA Engine Colors Q. I am restoring a Model LA engine, s/n LAA34226. It is a 1938. What color should it be? I have found that in August 1934 the engine was painted with a red pulley and flywheel. All other parts were a special gray, with a 1/16 inch red stripe around the hopper lid. In May 1939 the color was changed to being all red. What is the paint number of the special gray? Robert Morris, 36231 S 16 Rd, Barnesville, OH 43713. email: Nancy Morris [firstname.lastname@example.org]
A. You are correct about the color scheme, but we do not have a specific match for the gray. However, we would assume it to be somewhere near the DuPont 27625 of the McCormick-Deering tractors, or perhaps the DuPont 98620 Charcoal Gray; it corresponds to IH8015 Gray).
36/7/3 Gould, Shapley & Muir Q. I have a Gould Shapley & Muir 1 HP gas engine with soft oil cups instead of normal great cups. What material should I use for the wicks? Also would like to hear from anyone with an instruction manual or copy thereof. Doug Miller, 318E 650N, West Lafayette, IN 47906-9795.
A. Sometimes in a craft store you can find those little candle wicks that have a glass tube on one end. Craft people use them with lamp oil to make lamps out of fruit jars etc. This stuff will work. Alternatively, find some soft cotton string, and cut enough pieces for a bundle say, inch in diameter or a little less. Twist or roll this together, with a bit of it loosely in the bearing cap hole. If it is too tight, the oil will not wick through it! Then coil it up in the oil cup. Once there is a little oil on it, the wick will stay in place.
36/7/4 Spinaway Mower Myron Wininger, 204 Church St., Monroe, CT 06468 would like to hear from any owners of a Spinaway Rotary Mower as shown in the photos, and described as follows: Model 42E, s/n 1190, made by HAL-GAN Products Inc., Elm Grove, Wisconsin. Equipped with a Wisconsin AENLD engine with automotive bell housing and clutch. Uses a small transmission like a Crosley. Has a transfer case with a drive shaft going back to an auto or golf cart rear end. A pto at the transfer case uses a belt to each blade. A tag on mower says it was sold by Power House Co., Stamford, Conn., Wilton, Conn., and Brewster, NY. Any information would be appreciated.
36/7/5 Tractor Shows on TV Paul M. Christensen, 49938M26, Hancock, MI 49930 tells us that RFD-TV (Channel 9409 on Dishnet) carries lots of video of tractor and engine shows.
36/7/6 Foundation Patterns Harley Collins, 2540 Fox Rd., Bath, PA 18014 writes: I am researching an old electric generating plant. It was equipped with a 25 HP Fairbanks Morse Y (1920), a 50 HP Type Y of 1922 and a 60 HP St. Marys of 1925. I need foundation and bolt patterns to spot the engine in the plant ruins. Any help would be appreciated.
36/7/7 Paint Colors and Pantone David Hadley, 662 Shamrock Rd., RR4, Omemee, ONT K0L 2W0 Canada writes of having a Fairbanks-Morse ZD engine painted silver, but having traces of green. It is indeed green, comparable to DuPont 72001. He also comments regarding a Gilson 3 HP engine, and we have DuPont RS915 listed as a comparable match. David also comments regarding whether any of these colors can be matched up to a Pantone Color Chart that printers use for mixing inks. It is an interesting question, particularly as we have several old Pantone charts on hand. At the least, we suppose one could carry one of these along and make a color match, then take that particular chip to a paint store and again match it up to a similar one in acrylic enamel.
36/7/8 Thanks! From Charles W. Skinner, RR 1, Berwick, NS BOP 1E0 Canada regarding his query in 36/2/15 (February 2001). His unidentified object is a piston vise, and was in the 1948 Manzel catalogue.
36/7/9 Bull Dog in South Australia Q. J. Maslin, PO Box 188, Hahndorf, SA 5245 Australia is looking for any information on a 1 HP Bull Dog made by Bates & Edmonds. He also is looking for the correct color. If you can be of help, please contact him, since Bull Dog engines are very, very rare in Australia. We can say that the Bull Dog is comparable to DuPont #143 Maroon.
36/7/10 Friction Clutches Q. Can anyone tell me if a friction clutch pulley was made for the IHC Type M 3 HP engine? Also, was one made for the Fuller & Johnson 2 HP, Type NC engine? Where could I find this information? Frank Huehl, 724 Congress St., Neenah, WI 54956.
A. IHC made clutch pulleys for the 3, 6, and 10 HP engines. However, there were a few companies that made clutch pulleys adaptable to almost any engine, so there is undoubtedly some sort of clutch pulley that would also fit the two engines you mention.
36/7/11 Sunbeam Model D Kevin Carlock, 1919 Kirby Rd., Lebanon, OH 45036 has a Sunbeam Model D 32 volt Farm Electric Generator and needs instructions or any possible information. If you can be of help, kindly contact Mr. Carlock at the above address.
36/7/12 Stewart Little Major M. D. Wasemiller, 30 W Hilton Ave., Redlands, CA 92373 inquires whether instructions might be available from anyone for the Stewart Little Major sheep shearing machine from Chicago Flexible Shaft Company. A fair number of these used a Stover engine for power, but many others, particularly the Little Major we believe, used the company's own engine (or one manufactured to their designs). For the latter style, finding any operator's information would be chancy at best, we believe.
36/7/13 Stover Information Needed Q. What is the year built (and the correct color) for the following Stover engines:
A. Your Stover HP (Duro) engines were made for National Sewing Machine Company. Only 1,169 were built. Occasionally one of these serial numbers will appear, but they are different than the numbers used for the regular Stover engine line. For instance, the numbers supplied above are for a couple of big oil engines. These engines were first built in 1916. The first of them used a governor on the spark, but effective with No. 897241 this was changed to a throttle governed design. Thus we cannot supply specific information on these engines.
36/7/14 Geo. C. Christopher? Q. I have an engine with the following information: ECLIPSE, Geo. C. Christopher & Son, Wichita, Kansas, No. B36978. On the skids is a tag with: Machine No. 987, Mfg. By Geo. C. Christopher & Son, Wichita, Kansas. The engine is exactly like the 2 HP throttle governed (head-type) Witte except for the fuel tank. Any information would be appreciated. Roy). Hotz Jr., PO Box 670, Martindale,TX 78655.
A. Your engine is indeed a Witte and was sold to Christopher in July 1926. All we can find of Christopher is that they manufactured handrails for banks and offices. Perhaps they built some other type of machinery for this purpose and sold it. We note in the Witte records that another of these engines was sold to Christopher for instance, and was later sold to Fronock Fixture & Cabinet Company at Blackwell, Oklahoma.
36/7/15 Information Needed Q. I am restoring a 5 HP Essex motor, Model D, and s/n 4547. It was made in Lynn, Massachusetts, and sold by P. T. Lagare Ltee, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. Any information on this engine would be appreciated, especially the color. Also, could someone put plans into the magazine for building a magnet charger. Ken White, PO Box 71, North Cobalt, ON POJ 1RO Canada.
A. We have no information on the Essex, but we do have some ancient plans for a magnet charger from a couple of old magazines, and we'll have to dig this information out for the magazine.
36/7/16 Fairbanks-Morse? Q. See the photos of a two-cylinder Fairbanks-Morse engine, Model FMO, s/n 420209, with a Splitdorf magneto. I would like further information on this engine, including the original paint color. Larry Kastens, 9956 S. Deer Trail, Hereford, AZ 856 15-9693. Email: larry email@example.com.
A. This engine was not built by Fairbanks-Morse. Especially in the 1940s and into the early 1950s, F-M offered various items under their own name, even including lawn mowers. The truth was however, that these various items were not built by F-M, but were contracted for and built by others. It was a marketing ploy that was used for some years. Eventually though, F-M retreated to building engines and gave up other sales activity. Ye olde Reflector once had the carcass of a similar engine, but it was simply too far gone to be worth the while for restoration. We finally parted it out, but in our case, the engine was undoubtedly an MV-2 built by Stover. However, it had the same Fairbanks-Morse design cast into the radiator shroud.
36/7/17 Unidentified Engine Q. See the pictures of a small engine with 10-inch flywheels. A chain from the crank drives the camshaft. The mixer is missing but the rest of the engine is intact. Originally it was tank cooled, but at some time, someone tried to put a homemade water hopper on it. Any suggestions as to the make of this engine! Your help would be appreciated. Paul Larsen, 130 Wimbledon Crescent SW, Calgary, Alberta, T3C 3J3 Canada. Email: Fuzzymotor@hotmail.com.
A. We have no clue what this engine might be. Can anyone suggest the builder?
36/7/18 Information Needed Q. Does anyone have any information on the following:
(1) GEORGE garden tools, Community Industries Assn., Sullivan, Ill. Model 22-B2, SN-F3, Motor BR, Tiller Model 89.
(2) UNITRACTOR, The Unitractor Co., Indianapolis, USA, Engine Model N l HP, s/n A478
(3) Waterloo Boy s/n l38803, 2 HP.
I would like to find any information on (1) and (2) above. Also, where are the timing marks on (3) above? All help will be appreciated, and I will gladly pay for any photocopies. Thomas H. Kruse, 6232 Cedar Lane, Miamisburg, OH 45342-5179
A. We have a couple of Waterloo Boy instruction books, and they don't say anything about timing. In fact, there may not be any timing marks as such. We would time it as follows: Turn the engine over so that the crank is about 10 or 15° before the outer back center (or before the exhaust stroke begins). At that point the exhaust should just start to open. With this setting, chances are that the exhaust will just close a few degrees before the end of the exhaust stroke. Starting from this point, you can adjust the cam gear a notch or two either way to get the valve timing correct. Once the valve timing is correct, then work on the ignition timing. If it was a high speed engine the exhaust valve would open somewhat sooner in the exhaust stroke, but with a slow speed engine, something in the 10 to 15° range should be a decent starting point.
36/7/19 Kerosene Farmalls At the National Rally in Tasmania and in many other collections, we noticed that the majority of tractors built into the 1950s were fueled with kerosene. Even smaller units such as the Farmall A shown here were run on kerosene power. We assume that IH offered kerosene burners in America as well, but we don't recall seeing any of them after World War Two, or at least, very few kerosene tractors. Is anyone aware of Farmall A kerosene models here in the U.S.? If so drop us a line here at the Reflections column and bring us up to speed.
A Closing Word
Ye olde Reflector feels especially blessed for having had such a nice group on the recent Australia/New Zealand Tour. Being the tour manager carries a lot of responsibilities, and sometimes one has to be able to 'think on your feet' to keep everything going smoothly. However, our entire group was very helpful and forgiving if every detail didn't go as planned. When we had special things to do, there were always people who would lend a hand. During our month together we all made new friends, and really blended into a very special family. It was always a great pleasure for ye olde Reflector to come up with surprise stops that weren't on the itinerary. We all had a wonderful time, and we hope our Australian subscribers to GEM will pass along our sincere thanks for all the hospitality extended to us during the entire tour.
Photo 36/7/20 was taken at Pearn's Steam World in Westbury, Tasmania. Among literally hundreds of tractors, steam engines, gas engines and other machinery, they had this big Burrell traction engine from England under steam. Two of our group posed for ye olde Reflector after driving this engine. On the left is Zane Bristol from Georgia, and on the right is Gilbert Fox from Nebraska.
We'll close by passing on a little story about Gilbert Fox. We made a surprise visit to Lake Goldsmith and the huge collections there. Many of these engine sheds also have living quarters where the owners come for a few days or a weekend, stay in their shed and work on or demonstrate their engines. (Many of the fellows thought this was a grand idea, but the ladies weren't real excited about it). Anyway, the sun was rapidly going down to the horizon. Everyone was back on the coach, but no one could find Gilbert. Someone reported having seen him at a collection (about 80 rods away), so several of us hopped off the coach searching for him. When we caught up with Gilbert, he was still engaged in a lively visit with one of our Australian friends, talking about engines, of course. Time had slipped away for poor Gilbert to the point he forgot he was wearing his watch! When we escorted him back to the coach, he of course, took a lot of good-natured kidding. For several days after, we would suggest equipping him with a cowbell or some other attention-getting device. Seriously though, Gilbert is very knowledgeable on engines and tractors, and we're happy he joined us on the tour.
Next month we'll tell you more about our tour to Australia and New Zealand.