Readers' Engine Questions

| February/March 2002

  • Single-cylinder with two spark plugs
  • Unidentified Engine

  • Friend  Pump Engine
  • Lufkin-Cooper-Bessemer
  • Unidentified Engine
    White Chapel Dr.
  • Unidentified Engine
    Walter A. Taubneck
  • Water pump
  • Chicago Pneumatic Engine
  • Unidentified air cooled Engine
  • Saunderson Cyclone Drill

  • Single-cylinder with two spark plugs
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Friend  Pump Engine
  • Lufkin-Cooper-Bessemer
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Unidentified Engine
  • Water pump
  • Chicago Pneumatic Engine
  • Unidentified air cooled Engine
  • Saunderson Cyclone Drill

A Brief Word

For those interested in our Germany 2002 tour, we're pleased to tell you we finally have all the arrangements completed.

We've added Holland to the itinerary so we can visit the fantastic one-man collection of Wimvan Schayik at Langenboom. We've been good friends with Wim for a number of years, and believe us when we tell you that this is quite possibly the greatest one-man collection of engines and tractors in the world.

We'll also spend a day at the HMT Rally, the biggest engine and tractor show in Europe. Engines and tractors are mixed throughout the many rows, so you almost have to walk one row at a time. The 'flea market' has almost everything imaginable, and there are always working demonstrations of some sort. In order to catch the HMT we changed the tour dates to July 14th to July 29th.

Here in the Midwest we still marvel at the delightful weather we are having in early December. We've barely had a killing frost here in Iowa, and in fact a few farmers are still doing a bit of field work. By the time you have this copy, though, we'd suppose that payback time will have arrived. Iowa is right in the middle of the great barren waste of snow, ice and northwesterly winds during the winter! However, we have the snow blower all ready to go, just in case, and there is an ample supply of dry wood for the heating stove out in the shop, again, just in case we are forced to stay home from work with nothing else to do but be forced to work on a greasy old engine that needs a bunch of new parts.

We're beginning work on our magneto and carburetor book as we revive our Power in the Past Series we began several years ago. However, we have yet to find any service information on the Sumter Oscillating magnetos that were used on numerous engines. We all know there is a fair amount of info available for the Webster, but there seems to be virtually nothing out there about application data and other information on the Sumter Oscillators. If anyone knows of something, let us know right here at the column.

Speaking of carburetors, kerosene was a very popular tractor and engine fuel in the early days. It was incredibly cheap, even compared to gasoline prices of those days. Carburetors of literally hundreds of different makes appeared in an attempt to prepare this clear liquid for burning inside the cylinders. There were all kinds of pre-heaters and other devices to enhance the process, and the injection of water into the mix was essential to retard pre-ignition. So far as the carburetor part was concerned, much of the problem was (and is) related to physics, chemistry and other high sciences. The bottom line is that gasoline can be vaporized to create the fuel-air mixture while kerosene can only be atomized. No wonder that by the 1940s, gasoline came into general use, except for the momentary dash for distillate fuels, especially during World War II.

Our first inquiry this month begins with:

37/2/1: Unidentified Engine Wesley Faust, 1153 White Chapel Dr., Central Point, OR 97502 sends some pix of a marine engine mounted on a yoke permitting it to tilt as well as swivel. All the parts have numbers such as 7-A-XX. The muffler is 7-E-XX. Bore and stroke is 2-5/8 x 2-1/2 inches, and the flywheel is 9-5/8 inches in diameter. Any information would be appreciated. Wes is also trying to restore a 1-1/2 HP dishpan Fairbanks, and needs info on missing parts.

37/2/2: Friend Engine See the photo of a Friend Pump Engine Model DPA117, s/n DXA1100. The engine is from Friend Mfg. Co., Gasport, New York. Ron Baer, R.R. 1, Port Colborne, Ontario, Canada L3K 5V3 would like to know the year this engine was made and the correct paint color. Can anyone be of help?

37/2/3: Lufkin-Cooper-Bessemer Q: See the photo of a Lufkin-Cooper-Bessemer engine, Model L-1235, Type GSDH, 7-1/2 x 9 bore and stroke, 2-cylinder. It was built by Lufkin Foundry & Machine Company, Lufkin, Texas. Alton Garver, 1899 N. U.S. Hwy. 385, Levelland, TX 79336 writes: This engine was purchased in July 2001 from an oil field service company here in Levelland, Texas. They bought it about 10 years ago from the Oklahoma oil fields. It has not run since being taken off the pump jack. I cleaned the engine up, mounted it, and put on a B&S starting motor. I have no info on this engine, nor have I found anyone who has seen one of them. Any information I can gather on this engine would be greatly appreciated.

A: We have never heard of this firm, nor have we ever seen one of their engines. Can anyone be of help?

37/2/4: Unidentified Engine Walter A. Taubneck, 11801 52nd Dr. N.E., Marysville, WA 98271 sends along an interesting illustration and information about a 'semi-turbine' engine described in a 1915 edition of Dyke's Motor Manual. Does anyone have further information about this device?

37/2/5: Unidentified Engine See the photo of an unidentified air-cooled engine. There is no name or model number on the engine, but the number 1VC1 is stamped on the flywheel, 1VC3 is stamped on the base and 1V017 is stamped on the bottom of the cylinder. The flywheel is nine inches in diameter, the engine is 21 inches high, and the shroud is missing. Can anyone be of help in identifying it? Contact Earl M. Anderson, 3032 Siggelkow Rd., McFarland, WI 53558-9583.

37/2/6:Bolens Riding Lawn Mower J.D. Albert, 18478 N. 900 E.R., Oakwood, IL 61858 needs information on restoring a Bolens Riding Lawn Mower, Type 23601, s/n 52653 F.M.C. He is also looking for Bolens decals. If you can help, please contact Mr. Albert.

37/2/7:Chicago Pneumatic Engine Q: See the photo of a Chicago Pneumatic Giant Gas Engine. It is Model AO3, s/n 11886, 50 HP, and was built in 1924. That is all I know about the engine. Is there anyone out there having any information or who knows the whereabouts of another? Also, does anyone know where I can locate the s/n for a IHC 10-20 Titan tractor? The nameplate is gone, and the number on the right front frame isn't there.

I was told to check the end of the crankshaft, but found no number. I did find a number on the end of the transmission shaft. Any help on either inquiry would be greatly appreciated. Michael P. Greene, 5709 Gold Hill Road, Concord, NC 28025.

A: On page 36 of Wendel's Notebook the Titan 10-20 numbers are shown. These have either a TV or a TY prefix, although the prefix may not be stamped onto a shaft or other part of the tractor. We find it curious that there are no numbers stamped on the frame members someplace or other.

37/2/8:Identification Needed Ken Marnoch, 3056 Waukegan Avenue, Simi Valley, CA 93063 sends along a photo of a water pump used in a lumber mill in Ontario, Canada. Originally it may have had two pump cylinders, with one of them being replaced with the flywheel. Any information would be appreciated.

37/2/9:Hill Diesel Engine Art Schabla, 77427 Hwy. 21, Covington, LA 70435 writes that he is new to the old iron hobby, and has recently acquired a Hill diesel engine. It is a single-cylinder model, 11-1/2 HP, Type PB. He has been unable to find any information on this engine, and ye olde Reflector has virtually nothing on the Hill diesels, either. On page 231 of American Gas Engines we list a couple of models, but not the one described by Mr. Schabla. Does anyone have further information?

37/2/10: Stover Air-Cooled Bert Dado, 33 Village Woods Drive, Crete, IL 60417-4341 inquires concerning a 3/4 HP Stover air-cooled engine, and would like further information. This model is shown on page 45 of Power in the Past, Volume 3, Stover Engine Works. Stover introduced this engine in 1933, offering them for a few years. The engine was actually built by Nelson Bros. at Saginaw, Mich. If you have further operating or service materials, please contact Mr. Dado at his address.

37/2/11: Saunderson Cyclone Drill Co. Q: See the photos of an engine from Saunderson Cyclone Drill Company, Orville, Ohio. It is a single-cylinder with two spark plugs and two timer point sets. The engine uses a 7 x 8-inch bore and stroke, fuel tank is in the cast iron base. How many of these were built, what is the horsepower, and how do the wires go to both plugs? Any information would be appreciated. Andrew C. Troyer, 10540 W. 050 N., Middlebury, IN 46540.

A: We would suggest that this engine is some how related to the Cook engine made at Delaware, Ohio. We base this in part on a physical resemblance as well as the unique dual ignition system. (See page 109 of American Gas Engines). The dual spark plug design was seldom used, especially with two separate sets of ignition points or timers. One other method was using a four-post coil, whereby the high tension circuit went into the center electrode of the first plug, the current passed through the engine casting, and emerged from the center electrode of the second plug. In other words, the secondary of the coil was completely isolated from the primary. Using two separate timers would allow the use of ordinary three-post coils, but would require some careful timing so that the spark occurred at the same instant in both plugs. Dual ignition systems have often been used in special applications, but rarely on a stationary engine. If anyone can supply Mr. Troyer with further information, please do so.

37/2/12: Stover and Hardie Questions Q: Can you tell me more about a Stover T, s/n T39095 and a Stover W, s/n W48710? I would like to know where these engines were originally shipped to from the Stover factory. Also, can anyone tell me the color of the Hardie engines (American Gas Engines, page 219)? Any help will be appreciated. Randy Ackley, 21321 County Road X, Cadott, WI 54727.

A: We have the Stover production records, and except for the later years they show only the time of production and other occasional data. Wendel's Notebook does not list a color for the Hardie engines, although we once owned one, and it is a dusty blue. From memory we would say it is close to DuPont BS019.

A Closing Word

American Gas Engines Since 1872 is going out of print. We will be working to update and republish this book. Since many of you have this book, and know its contents, we invite anyone having photos or information on engines not listed to contact us so that additional items can be included in the second edition.

Also, our new book, Encyclopedia of Antique Tools & Machinery is now available (see our ad in the classifieds). This 255-page book, with over 1,000 illustrations, is divided into over 50 different categories. Whether it is organ building, foundry or fence-making tools, you will be likely to find it in this book. This is a project we wanted to do for several years, but once we got started it was far more complicated than we anticipated. There are also sections on black-smithing and machine tools.

We'll see you next month!

C. H. Wendel is a noted authority on antique engines and tractors. His books constitute a vital reference resource for collectors and hobbyists. If you have a question for C.H. Wendel, send it along to Gas Engine Magazine, 1503 SW 42nd St., Topeka, KS 66609-1265.


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