Readers' Engine Questions
38/4/1 Elgin Haf-a-Hors Q: When I purchased this odd little engine several years ago it was one solid chunk of rust. It shows serial number 15084, but other than that I have found no information on it. It is now mostly restored.
It has a Bosch magneto and a brass carburetor with an air valve and a check valve. The check valve uses a glass marble, I do not know if this is right. The aluminum air valve in the carburetor needs a spring and I have no idea what it looks like. It has a pendulum-type governor that shorts out the ignition to govern engine speed (like a Maytag). I have it connected to cut out the spark plug. The engine has a rotary valve on the crankshaft, and it has an inverted cylinder and a bearing on the opposite side of the flywheel. This was a ball bearing, but with no visible means of lubrication I replaced it with a sealed bearing.
I have only seen one other Haf-a-Hors, but it was not exactly like mine. It had a different carburetor, battery ignition and did not run. I don't know when it was made, but a friend of mine who made the fiber gear driving the magneto said it was a type not used since 1920.
Any information regarding wiring, air valve spring, adjustment and type of oil and mixture for this engine would be greatly appreciated. Vernon Scheiderer, 16732 Robinson Road, Marysville, OH 43040.
A: Available information suggests your engine was first introduced around 1920, which gives credence to your friend's thoughts on the fiber gear. Made by the Elgin Wheel & Engine Co., Elgin, Ill., it's thought that quite a few of these little engines were built, but very few seem to survive. They do show up at shows; we're hoping a knowledgeable reader can give you some assistance getting yours back to proper form.
38/4/2 New Way
A: Thanks for a great magazine, which I think is the best one around. I am seeking information about a New Way I obtained recently. It's just about complete, except for the oiler and maybe the crankshaft/cam gear lower cover, if there was one (the Type A, Model C I have has a gear cover at the bottom).
My new engine is a Model RC, serial number R1837K, with 540 mm (21.25 inches) flywheels. The Model C has 510 mm (21-inch) flywheels. It's a throttle-governed kerosene engine with a Bosch BA1 EB3-V4 magneto. Interestingly, the Bosch insignia has been obliterated, possibly due to anti-German product sentiments during World War I.
The main crankcase is green and the flywheels may be maroon, although the inside of the spokes show green. The cylinder, fan, etc., is silver. Were the RC engines green all over instead of having maroon colored flywheels and fan shrouds?
I also have 1-1/2 HP open-crank Jewel, serial number 1326, and a 3-1/2 HP Model A, Type C, serial number 7862. I got decals for these through Ed Grimsey, but I've lost his address. Do you know of him, or do you know where I can get decals?
Finally, if anyone knows if there was a cover over the cam/crankshaft gears, could they be kind enough to sketch the cover, with dimensions, so I could fabricate one?
The carburetor on this is interesting, with the exhaust muffler coming up through the body of the carburetor to, I presume, heat the kerosene. I'm still trying to figure out the pipe between the exhaust manifold and the carburetor, though! Neil Harvey, 33 Viewpoint St., Ararat, Victoria, Australia 3377, (035) 352-1702.
A: Unfortunately, Ed Grimsey passed away a few years ago, and at this writing we don't know of anyone making decals for New Way engines. Perhaps someone out there has a stash of decals and could help Neil?
38/4/3 Canadian Monarch Engines
I am enclosing two photos of engines that I do not see listed in C.H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since 1872. American Monarch engines are shown but not Canadian Monarch engines, which were built at Canadian Engine Limited, Dunnville, Ontario and commonly called Dunnville engines.
Engines were built as horizontal and upright units ranging in size from 1-1/2 HP to about 20 HP. The exhaust manifold extended the full length of the cylinder and was double ported.
The Sprywheel engine has no serial number, I believe it is about 3/4 HP.
Like Robert F. Grimm of Amsterdam, N.Y., who wrote in for information in the February 2003 issue, I have an old Delco generator (mine runs), but I need a wiring diagram for the generator. I would appreciate a reply from anyone in engine land who has such a plan. The serial number is Delco Lite 229510. William Harry Bryant, R.R. 2, #3415 Road 112, Tavistock, ONT Canada NOB 2R0, or e-mail: email@example.com
38/4/4 Big Boy Lawn Tractor
I bought this little lawn tractor last fall. It has a large steering wheel like a farm tractor, and the hood tilts forward for access to the engine. There's no tag on the tractor, but on the hood in faded letters you can still read the words, 'Big Boy Gemco Deluxe World's Finest.' Power is by chain driven back to the rear axle. To go forward you pull back on the lever on the left; pull back another notch and it goes a little faster; push the lever forward and you're in reverse. There are little brass oil cups on the rear end housing. The engine is a Briggs & Stratton Model 141302, serial number 3475. My good friend, Don Little, got it running and moving for me, and he thinks the motor is too new for this tractor. I'm looking for any information on this unit, such as color, year made and where it was made. Danny Rutsky, Box 157B, Road #1, Pittsfield, PA 16340.
38/4/5 Root & Vandervoort Q: Enjoy every page of your magazine, the only thing better would be getting one every two weeks.
I have a Root & Vandervoort, manufactured for John Deere Plow Co., Syracuse, N.Y., serial number BL16714, rated at 2 HP at 450 rpm. When was this engine built?
I also have a Stover serial number V136911, rated at 2 HP at 500 rpm. Can anyone tell me when this engine was built, and what color it should be? Paul Luckman, 4006 Hall Center Road, Wahworth, NY 14568.
A: Your best bet for information on your Root & Vandervoort is to contact R&V registrar Peter Lowe. You can contact him at: 9 Jamefield Drive, Maclean, Australia 2463, or e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
As for your Stover, according to Wendel's Notebook it was built in 1920, and the original green is comparable to DuPont GS188 or Ditzler 44616.
38/4/6 Unknown Device
I am writing to find out if anyone can tell me what this device is. It was made by the W.M. Sharp Co., Philadelphia, Pa. USA.
The patent date is unreadable, but I think it says 1903. It is built like a press, with 15 graduated pins with rounded ends attached to the upper portion that fit loosely into corresponding holes in the lower base. I don't think it is a punch, as it could not apply a lot of pressure. Dennis Spark, P.O. Box 19, Goomalling, West Australia 6460
38/4/7 Alpha De Laval
I am rebuilding an Alpha De Laval 1-1/2 HP engine. This engine is in poor shape and some parts are missing. I would like to restore it, but need some help with parts and information.
I want to paint it, but I need to know the correct paint code. The head needs new valves, and I need two valve caps. Does anyone make these? Does anyone know how long the exhaust valve is? I'm also looking for tag pins to hold the engine tag to the block. A good picture or two of the left side of the engine would also help.
I knew I wouldn't get it running this year, but there is always next winter. If anyone can help, please write to GEM so everyone can benefit. Ron Konen, 19324 Leon Road, Genesee, ID 83832.
38/4/8 2-1/4 HP Galloway Q: I have a 2-1/4 HP Galloway, serial number 026875. I would like some information on year of production. The 'G' on Galloway has a tail, and the engine has a Webster tri-polar magneto. My engine looks a lot like the one in the old cut I've included. Kris Hendricks, P.O. Box 1843, Pinedale, WY 82935.
A: We don't know of a comprehensive listing of Galloway serial numbers, but Galloway engine collector John Cullom's Web site (www.oldengine.org/ members/jcullom/index.html) features a partial listing that can help narrow things down. Reading between the lines on John's serial number page, it appears your engine was built in 1914. The tail you refer to on the 'G' in Galloway also shows up on Galloway engines from that year. Further support for a 1914 production date comes from the image you supplied, which shows a small-mouthed hopper and the piston oiler located behind the hopper and on top of the rear of the cylinder. Galloway made changes to the 2-1/4 HP engine in
1915, including opening up the hopper mouth and running the piston oiler tube through the hopper.
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