Readers' Engine Questions
39/3/1: Watkins Engine Q: I bought this engine a few months ago. The nameplate is missing, but page 540 of C.H. Wendel's American Gas Engines Since 1872 shows a 'Toledo' marine engine made by Watkins Motor Co. The bore on my engine is approximately 2-1/2 inches and the stroke is 3 inches. It has a Kingston carburetor on it and a five-spoke flywheel 1-1/2 inches wide and 10 inches in diameter.
I would like to hear from anyone who has one of these engines or has information about them. Harry R. Coulter, 412 Shook Ave., Stroudsburg, PA 18360.
A: While there are similarities between your engine and the one shown in Wendel's book, most notably by the spoked flywheel, marine engines of this era often looked much the same. In the absence of a nameplate, accurate identification can be very difficult. If someone can verify that this actually is a Watkins engine, we'd love to hear from you, as would Harry.
39/3/2: Brownwall Engine I would like to know the paint color for 1 HP Brownwall engine. Gary Montgomery, 294 Carver St., Winslow, 1L 61089; (815) 367-3021.
39/3/3: Fairbanks-Morse 2 HP Dispan I have a Fairbanks-Morse 2 HP dishpan engine built in 1917 with a Fairbanks magneto. How can I slow that engine down? It jumps all over the floor. Any advice would be appreciated. I enjoy the magazine very much. Willard Meyer, 15324 Horseshoe Lake Road, Newton, WI 53063.
39/3/4: Associated Chore Boy Q: I recently purchased an air-cooled, 1-1/2 HP Associated Chore Boy in original looking shape. It's in nice condition, including the identification tag. I am told there is no 1-1/2 HP Chore Boy, and I'd bet parts for the 1-3/4 HP are the same. I'd like to know more about it, but there is no serial number stamped anywhere. Are there other Chore Boys so marked, or did mine just walk out the back door?
Also, I am one of the people who called to complain about the cover with writing obscuring the very good pictures. Thank you for the positive response, they really look good and well describe the product. E. Fritz, P.O. Box 33, Valmy, NV 89438.
A: The earliest version of the Chore Boy was rated at 1-1/2 HP. The change in rated horsepower was done fairly early in production (perhaps about 1912), so surviving 1-1/2 HP Chore Boys are fairly rare.
39/3/5: Clipper Engine I have owned this 'Clipper' engine for about a year. I have made enquiries on Smokstak and a couple of other chat sites and done a computer search under all the headings I could think of, with absolutely no results. The tag reads:
Service specifications Clipper engines. Mention these numbers when ordering service parts. Model No. EAOFFXEL Motor
Type No. Temperance Order No. MICH CL 5611
The model, type and order numbers are hand-etched into the plate.
Below this part of the plate is information on lube, point setting, plug gap, valve timing and gap, and then sales parts and service available throughout the world. The tag is cutoff below this point.
The bore and stroke are 2-1/4-inch. The governor consists of several loose, steel balls between two round, grooved steel plates. The centrifugal force pushes the balls to the outside of the grooves and spreads the plates apart.
The magneto is a flywheel-type Bendix Scentilla Model 10-26. The carburetor is a Bendix-Stromberg. The two flywheel covers in Photo A are held together by the steel band in the background. The aluminum is very soft but appears to have been die formed in rather crude dies.
Photo B is the block with the identification tag. It is cast aluminum, as are the head base and connecting rod. An iron cylinder sleeve is pressed into the block.
Photo C is the head and carburetor.
Photo D shows the most interesting part of the engine -the crankshaft. The crank is made of three round pieces and several stamped steel plates. A stack of plates is riveted together with thin copper stock between them to form the counterweight portion of the crank. The crank pin and crankshafts are pressed into these counterweights. The whole assembly is then heated in a neutral atmosphere furnace until the copper melts and brazes the whole assembly together. The color you see on the counterweights is copper, not rust.
The method of manufacture and the carburetor/magneto would make me think that it was built about 1960. It may be a prototype, but beyond this I don't have a clue. Dan Dorece, Midas Metals, 4814 47th Ave., Kenosha, WI 53144-2029.
39/3/6: Feed Cutter
I'm pretty sure John Plotz's unknown device in query 38/9/5 (GEM, September 2003) is part of a feed cutter. I had one like it, but it was destroyed in a fire many years ago.
I have been trying to find a replacement for years, and this is the first clue I've had as to the manufacturer. Does anyone have any information on the Dicks Agricultural Works of Canton, Ohio? Copies of pamphlets or any advertising of their feed cutters would be much appreciated. Burl H. Gillum, 6637 Pendleton Ave., Roanoke, VA 24019-4121.
39/3/7: McLeod or Nelson Bros.? Q: Could some reader enlighten me on who manufactured an engine I have and how old it might be? I have been told it was made by Nelson Bros. and sold in Canada under the name McLeod Ltd. The brass tag on my engine says, 'The McLeod,' and underneath that it says, 'McLeod's Ltd., Winnipeg, Canada, HP 5K, RPM 475, #35969.'
I have a Nelson Bros. manual covering all gas and kerosene engines, and none of those Nelson Bros. engines have any similarities to mine. It is a throttled-governed engine, igniter-fired with a Webster magneto. It has a built-in fuel pump in the carburetor. Any information would be helpful. Thank you for your help. Jesse Cook, 3423 Younger Drive, Charleston, WV 25306; (304) 925-6172; e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org
A: Like you, we've always understood that McLeod engines were built under contract by Nelson Bros. A picture of your engine would help sort that out, but in the meantime, if anyone knows more about who supplied engines to McLeod, we'd like to hear from you.
39/3/8: Unidentified Throttle-governed Engine I enjoy restoring old engines and I am very impressed with Gas Engine Magazine. Recently, I acquired an engine I have not been able to identify. I found it on a farm in northern Nebraska along with other interesting iron.
It is throttle-governed and has approximately a 4-1/4-inch by 6-inch bore and stroke, and 22-inch flywheels. All of the casting numbers begin with 'HH.' Any help you can give me would be appreciated. Wilfred M. Cronk, 1003 S. 5th St., Laramie, WY 82070; (307) 745-8555.
39/3/9: Associated Questions Q: I am seeking help with the following three questions: What is the year of manufacturer of an Associated, 1-3/4 HP, air-cooled gas engine with the serial no. 35972? What is the year of manufacture of a Hercules 5 HP, water-cooled gas engine with the serial no. 190509? What is the weight of the 5 HP Hercules engine?
Thanks for your help. Larry Cauffman, 6 Union Mill Road, Mount Laurel, NJ 08054-6319; (856) 235-4876; e-mail: email@example.com
A: Your associated was built in 1921. Your Hercules Model E was built in 1919 and weighs 756 pounds dry. If you have Internet access, check out Keith Smigle's excellent Web site on Associated engines at: www.oldengine.org/ members/smigle/associated pageindex.htm
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