Old Iron Questions


What Engine for Clutch Pulley?

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Photo by Ray Fisher

Reader Ray Fisher sends in photos of parts from a clutch pulley he’s come across, asking if anyone might know what engine it was designed to fit. Ray notes that it came in a box of parts accompanying a small Fairbanks-Morse engine. If anyone has information, please contact Ray and GEM.

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Photo by Ray Fisher

Ray Fisher
1340 Glenn St.
Tuscon, AZ 85705
hammerblow55@gmail.com


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Blueprints for an Ironwood Engine

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Photo by Bob Johnson

Reader Bob Johnson contacted us asking about acquiring drawings for or access to an Ironwood engine so he can make his own drawings of the engine. Ironwood engines were built as a course project by students at Roosevelt High School in Ironwood, Michigan, between approximately 1918 and 1930. The students drew the design, built the patterns, poured the castings, machined the pieces and assembled the engines. These were small hopper-cooled, hit-and-miss engines of around 1/2 hp to 3/4 hp. According to an article by John Preston in the October 1992 issue of GEM, approximately 200 of these engines were made, with 10 accounted for at that time. The December/January 2007 issue of GEM featured an Ironwood engine belonging to Dean Suhr of Tucson, Arizona. At the time, Dean said that he had a full set of blueprints for the engine. Perhaps Dean still has the blueprints and can help Bob?

Bob Johnson
rcj3141@twc.com


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Looking for an Ohlsson & Rice Tiny Tiger Generator Part

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Photo by Tyler Daniels

Reader Tyler Daniels writes in asking for help sourcing a carburetor diaphragm for his Model 300 Ohlsson & Rice Tiny Tiger generator. “It would run fine if it had a new carburetor diaphragm,” Tyler writes. “I’m requesting information on this engine, and any place or person that still makes parts for these old machines. Thank you!”

Tyler Daniels
jamestoys8008@gmail.com

Tyler, there is a surprisingly active online forum for Ohlsson & Rice products, and while we can't say if anyone there has the parts you need, it's where we'd start our search. You can find the forum at myoldmachine.com/forum/74-ohlsson-and-ric – GEM


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Unidentified Estate Sale Engine

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Photo by Dale Rieppel

Dale Rieppel bought this engine at an estate sale one block from his house. “What caught my attention was the Fairbanks magneto on the engine,” Dale says, adding, “My grandson Keegan Murphy and I restored it and got it running. We take it to shows and pump water with it.” Dale says there’s no tag on the engine, and the only possible identification is a four-digit number on it. “But I don’t think it means anything,” he adds. He had to make a head gasket to get it running. Dale says that nobody has been able to identify it. If you know what the engine is, drop Dale a line, and GEM, as well, so we can pass the info along.

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Photo by Dale Rieppel

Dale Rieppel
1243 Vernon Dr.
Carver, MN 55315
enginedale@gmail.com

See Dale Rieppel’s 1931 Fairbanks-Morse 15 hp Z.


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Did Fairbanks-Morse Ever Make a 17 hp Z?

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Photo by Cristy Miller

Reader Cristy Miller, Nappanee, Indiana, has come into possession of a very interesting 17 hp Fairbanks-Morse Z, and he’s hoping to learn more about it as it’s not an engine Fairbanks-Morse ever cataloged, nor does it appear in any available literature. Cristy purchased the engine from a man who inherited from his father, who had recently passed away. According to Cristy, the man and his father had collected a number of engines over the years, including this 17 hp Z. “The gentleman I bought it from said the year was right around 1920,” Cristy says.

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Photo by Cristy Miller

A little more looking uncovered the serial number 689137 stamped at the rear of the cylinder. That number dates the engine to 1927. Cristy doesn’t have much information on the engine, other than being told that prior to the seller’s ownership it ran a sawmill for years until the babbitt bearings wore out. According to Cristy, those owners didn’t want to deal with rebabbitting the bearings so they sold it to the man he bought it from, who then had them redone. “The engine now starts and runs very well,” Christy says.

According to Cristy, the man he bought it from said the engine was one of six made in F-M’s Canadian plant. One was supposedly destroyed during testing, another was said to have been lost to a fire, and yet another supposedly went to Australia. That leaves two engines unaccounted for, both of which could be long gone, if in fact they ever existed. All records from Fairbanks-Morse’s Canadian operation were supposedly destroyed.

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Photo by Cristy Miller

This is definitely an interesting find. The engine tag is clearly marked “17 HP,” and Cristy’s 17 hp looks identical to Dale Rieppel’s 1931 15 hp Z. It even appears to have the same factory-upgraded fuel pump, although with slightly different linkage.

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Photo by Cristy Miller

The engines have the same bore and stroke, but carry different speed ratings, with the 15 hp rated at 350rpm and the 17 hp rated at 400rpm. They have the same flywheel diameter, although the flywheels on Christy’s engine are slightly thinner, with a 3-inch face versus the 4-inch face on Dale’s 15 hp Z. Both engine are spark plug-fired using a Fairbanks-Morse magneto, and they’re both throttle governed, as almost all Z engines were.

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Photo by Cristy Miller

It’s known that Fairbanks-Morse experimented constantly with Z engines, making minor changes to see how they might affect horsepower and functionality, so it’s entirely possible the company entertained a limited run of 17 hp Z’s based on the 15 hp engine. Why they abandoned the idea we couldn’t say, but if anyone knows more please contact Cristy and GEM so we can share what you know.

Cristy Miller
13991 North 950 West
Nappanee, IN 46550
cnwfamily6@gmail.com


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Unknown Antique Marine Engine

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Photo courtesy of Charles Wise

I was recently asked to help with the restoration of this antique marine engine that found its way down to the Chesapeake Bay from the Canadian Maritime Provinces. It appears to be a 2-stroke, three-port, dome-head monobloc jump-start engine. There are no markings or serial numbers that can be discerned anywhere on the block. The draw-over vaporizer, water pump and Essex oiler are believed to be original. Most of the ignition timing mechanism is missing. However, the spark plug (a Champion No. 34) is thought to be the original. I would appreciate any thoughts on the provenance or manufacturer of this engine.

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Photo courtesy of Charles Wise

Dave Lees
neavittmanor@gmail.com


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Smaller Babbit Pour Spout Sizes?

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Photo courtesy of Ray Fisher

I have an old babbit bearing pour spout for engines. It is 30 inches long and 7 inches wide at the top. It is missing the stand. Have readers seen smaller sizes?

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Photo courtesy of Ray Fisher

Ray Fisher
(520) 861-0181
hammerblow55@gmail.com


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