Hi Wonderful People out in Gas Land! I know you are all having a great time this summer comparing engines and stories and renewing or making new friendships. We have gotten so many letters for this column and questions that I won't take up your time with my idle chatter, so we'll get into these interesting writings at once.
From CHARLES L. CAWOOD, Styring House, Pocklington, York, England comes this letter in the hopes he will get some answers.
'I am at present engaged in forming a collection of 'Amanco' stationary engines made by the Associated Manufacturers Co., Waterloo, Iowa, U. S. A.
These engines were in times past the most popular of any make on the British market, very large numbers being imported up to about 1923.
There appears to be an amazing profusion of types, names, and variations and also there seems to be little logic in their method of engine numbering. This makes it very difficult to date any individual engine and I am wondering therefore, if there is among your contributors or readers, anyone who has made a study of these engines, and who could provide me with some information on the various types produced, the dates, relative engine numbers etc. Also who formed the Associated Manufacturers Co. and between what dates did the Company operate. The Agents in this country were called Associated Manufacturers Co. and operated from various addresses in and around London until about 1950. At one time or another they were agents for Waterloo Boy tractors, called the Overtime in the U. K., Case tractors and Amanco and Hinman milking machines.
Any information about the Company and the engines would be most gratefully received by me.
CHARLES J. ANDREWS, 19111 Saratoga St., Lathrup Village, Michigan 48076 writes: 'I am interested in information about the Rumely Oil Pull Tractor, and the Curator of Agriculture of Greenfield Village, Dearborn, Michigan suggested that I write to you. Any source which might be helpful to me in my quest for information about the Rumely will be appreciated.'
JOHN D. BRENNER, JR., 313 Ruby Street, Lancaster, Pennsylvania 17603 would like some information on an old Home lite 24 Volt D. C. Generator-engine set up (portable) made during World War II for the military. Has single cylinder, two cycle engine direct connected to generator shaft. The Home lite Company said it is a Type C-7, but that's all he knows about it.--(There your efforts are needed again, Fellows, drop John a line and let him know some date on above).
INGVARD K. HAUGEN is wondering where he can get information on a Sattley 5 horse engine. He would like to know the color of paint and etc. And where could he get an igniter? (More help on the way Ingvard, as I'm sure you will hear from some of our readers).
RAY MILLER, 2815 Niagara Blvd., Fort Erie, Ontario, Canada sends along some information on several makes of engines. Following is the data from his letter.
Sources of information:
Re: Fairbanks-Morse Engines.
If you write to Mr. D. E. Jacobsen, Technical Publications, Colt Industries, Fairbanks Morse Inc., Power Systems Div., 701 Lawton Ave., Beloit, Wisconsin, 53511 and give him the serial number of your engine he can tell you the year it was made. Also from old manuals he has given the following information. The 'Z' was changed to 'ZA' with the introduction of the Bosch high tension oscillating magneto. ZA to ZB about 1934 5 & 754 H. P. ZB to ZC about 1940 6, 7, 8 H. P. ZA to ZB 3 H. P. when? ZB to ZC about 1928 3 H. P. ZD about 1929 1? H. P.
Mr. Jacobsen can also provide you with xerox copies of Instruction Manuals for your F-M engines. Re: Engines by International Harvester Co.
If you write to Mr. W. F. Overman, Public Relations Dept., International Harvester Co., 401 North Michigan Ave., Chicago, Ill., 60611, and give him the serial number on your engine he will probably be able to tell you the year it was made. He can also supply some literature on engines. He could not however supply me with an operator's Manual for a 1915 1-H. P. Mogul, only some sales literature and spec. sheets. Does anyone know where I could obtain Xerox copy of the Operating Manual for this engine?
Thank you Ray, and I hope someone can answer your question.
You know I might add here that when you fellows receive help or information, it would be nice to send a letter of thanks to the man that has helped you. I don't know if people realize there is a great deal of time and effort put into answering some of these queries. Not only will the writer appreciate your gratitude, but you may be making another good friend--after all you are both interested in the same hobby. I had one man write and tell us that over a period of years he has written many letters identifying engines and that it required a lot of searching time and collection of material to do this. He also said he NEVER received a letter of thank you from any of them until recently he got a letter from Dale Nickerson who answered him. It really made him feel good and was the first time anyone answered. It's a funny thing about we humans how much we take for granted, and we mean to be this way, but we just don't put forth the effort we should in being considerate of our fellow man.
Pictured above is Raymond Petersen, who had been an active charter member of the Northeastern Montana Threshers and Antique Association, Culbertson, Montana. Unfortunately, Ray recently had to have both kidneys removed at Rochester, Minnesota. He will soon be returning to Culbertson, which has always been his home, but will have to be on a kidney machine for the rest of his life.
Sterling McKinney, President of the above organization sent us this information and it seems the club is trying to assist Ray in any way possible. If you would care to send any rembrance to help him, I'm sure Sterling would be happy to take care of it. I'm sure he would appreciate letters and cards too.
An Eagle Tractor that was destroyed in a barn fire, but has been completely and beautifully restored to running condition by its owner. Jack Arthur of St. Agatha, Canada. That's Jack on the right proudly showing his work to Kent Gibson of Dundee, New York. Kent is a director of Tioga County Early Days.
Ross Pino of Covington, Pennsylvania, president of the Tioga County Early Days-furnishing the power with his 25-40 Type X Oil Pull for this Lane shingle mill at the 1971 Show in Whitneyville, Pennsylvania.
Earl Blair and his horse. Dusty, from Williamsport, Pennsylvania operating a one-horse tread mill at the Show. Earl is also a director.
Looking over an old Waterloo ???? are Dick Noble and my Son, John Robert Hamilton, both of Charleston, Illinois. Does anyone know why there is no top to the water hopper? There is no place to bolt a lid on. The ring on the side of the hopper was caused by an oil can lid.
Who says that engines are not something to get up in the air about? This engine sitting on the giant tree trunk is a Fairbanks-Morse Z. The owner is B. J. K. Helmuth of R. Ft. 1, Arthur, Illinois.
A letter from one of our younger enthusiasts-STEVE HAYS, R. D. 1, Box 201, Sandy Lake, Pennsylvania 16145, age 11, says: 'I would like to know how to fix an F 20 transmission. The power take-off is jammed in gear. Do you have any information on how to fix this? I would like you to send a letter to me.' He also added it was not his tractor, but his Uncle's. Perhaps you could help stimulate this young fellow's interest.
MAURICE BOWERMAN, R. R. 1, Angola, Indiana 46703 pens this one: 'I read Smoke Rings column and enjoy it very much. I have a Detroit mechanical force feed lubricating oil pump. I need two glass hoods or covers that go on over the oil pipes to see if oil is being pumped to various bearings. Would there be anyone that knows of a glass factory that would make some of these?' (Would there? I don't know--how about writing Corning Glass Company in Corning, New York?)
And from across the waters comes some words of interest from ROBERT E. HEUPT, 22 Lilian Street, Bulleen 3105, Victoria, Australia--'I am a member of The Melbourne Steam Traction Engine Club and while not owning any steam engines I own or partly-own eight oil engines (gas engines to you). I was introduced to Gas Engine Magazine only a few months ago. I was particularly delighted to read Mr. Edmund A. Schott's story 'My International' and see that great shot on the front cover (Sept-Oct. 1971).
I am in the process of restoring a 6 HP version of the same engine found in somewhat similar circumstances. Mine did not have a tree growing up through it however--just lots of weeds!
My latest acquisition is a 1? HP Hercules horizontal, open crankshaft engine, complete and in fair condition. This engine was used on a drag saw during the construction of the O'Shannasy Dam, near Warburton, Victoria which was completed in 1924.
Pictures taken in 1969 at the Mount Pleasant Show. These are all homemade model tractors, owners unknown to me, but I thought the tractors were real neat and they were painted like new. The one at the top is over twenty years old.
Engines restored by K. G. Romine, South Point, Ohio and J. E. Stiverson, Mt. Sterling, Ohio.
Top row left to right Twin Maytag, 1927 Single cylinder Maytag, 1938 Briggs-Stratton with kick starter and 1924 Briggs-Stratton. Bottom row left to right 2 H P Z-A Fairbanks-Morse, C T 2 Stover, 2 H P Z-D Fairbanks-Morse, 2 H P Arco and 2 H P Cushman. Have several other engines and pumps yet to be restored.
I eagerly await my copy of the Gas Engine Magazine and look forward to reading further copies of your excellent magazine.'
Thank you Robert and we hope you will be in our family a long while.
D. McVITTIE, Box 508, Alliston, Ontario, Canada is seeking information to write a story of Massey-Harris gas engines, but needs more data and is appealing to readers of G. E. M. He would like anyone who may have worked in gas engine plants in Toronto, or with knowledge of same to write him.
CARTER HARVEY, 948 Carlos Drive, Lincoln, Nebraska 68505 tells us: 'I have just started my engine hobby and have a 1? HP John Deere which runs well, and just bought a 2? HP INGECO which I am now getting back in shape. I would be very pleased if you could send me some data on the engine, such as the year it was built, the original color and some of its characteristics. I would also like a diagram.
It is a Type AK International Gas Engine Co., Milwaukee, Wisconsin factory, Cudahy Station, No. 5531 and 400 rpm.
I thank you in advance for any help you can give me.'
From ROBERT D. SEELEY, 316 Johnson Ave., Warrensburg, Missouri 64093 comes a letter and problem as follows:
'I have a small vertical air-cooled engine, Ideal, Model V. It has an ignition system quite similar to the Maytag engines. My problem is that I don't know where the gas tank is located, how the cooling fan is actuated, and what type of carburetor it uses, (the carburetor is missing). If anyone has a picture of this engine, or a manual, or information on its assembly, I would greatly appreciate hearing from them.
May I add that I enjoy your magazine very much. Collecting old tools and machinery has been my hobby for a long time, but I didn't get around to gas engines until about three years ago. To date I have restored (running) a Raw-leigh 1? HP; Rawleigh-Schryer 2 HP; Witte 2 HP-1912 model with the serial no. stamped on every part, including the flywheel keys; Monitor 1? HP-mag, ignition; and a 2 HP McCormick-Deering. Also a 4 HP Fairfield binder engine.
I could use the points assembly for the Dixie mag. on the Fairfield if someone knows where there is one.
I've got six other engines to restore and have my eyes on an old Cat. '60' that needs a heck of a lot of restoring.
From a new subscriber, ERIC T. SORENSEN, R. R. 2, Simcoe, Ontario, Canada comes this writing--'I have just started receiving GEM and I find it most interesting and helpful. I have one engine in my collection that I would really appreciate getting some information on. On the nameplate, it says-- The Chas. A. Strelinger Co. Tools and Supplies, Detroit, Mich.--This is a single cylinder upright marine engine. It came out of the first gasoline powered boat on the Muskoka Lakes here in Ontario. I believe it was built some time in the late 1890s. It is water-cooled by means of a cam driven piston type water pump and has an igniter type ignition. This is the only engine of this make that I have ever seen or heard of and if there is anyone out there who has one or who can give me some history on it, I would sure like to hear from them. My other engines include a Goold Shapley and Muir 2 HP; an III 2? HP LA; and a Lister Bruston automatic electric supply powered by a Lister type L engine.'
Welcome to the family Eric and I hope you hear from some of our sisters and brothers real soon.
CLARENCE W. BANGERT, Ashton, Iowa 51232 would like to know if any of the readers can give him some information on the Chanticleer line of engines built by the Jacob Hash Mfg. Co. at Dekalb, Illinois.
CLAUDE SCHOLMA, 9853 56th Ave., Allendale, Michigan 49401 asks: 'Can you tell us where we can find head gaskets and manifold gaskets for Mc-Deering 15-30 tractors (1927)? Would appreciate the information.'
STEVE L. EDDIE, Route 3, Ulysses, Kansas 67880 tells us: 'I have a 14 HP Stover gas engine. I would like to hear from anybody who has any information or a carburetor for this engine. Also would like to hear from anybody who has information on Fairbanks-Morse vertical engines.'
We certainly have a lot of work for you folks out there if you can answer any of these letters with the needed data.
From LEWIS GOOD, 7579-100th Street, Caledonia, Michigan 49316 comes this communication:--'I am rebuilding a Bullock tractor, Serial No. 390 Model C. I would be glad to hear from anyone that has ever owned one of these tractors. They were first built about 1911 and discontinued after World War I.
A 'Case C' waiting to be restored. The Illinois owner claims that it will take only a little work to get it going.
A friend of mine, Tom Graham, and I recently acquired a 25-50 Nichols and Shepard Gas Tractor. Some specifications are--Drivers 69', bore and stroke 9 X 12, Kingston carb. dated 1904, Pickering governor dated 1909, 1 exhaust pipe each cylinder, chain steering and the radiator sets parallel with the tractor. All moving parts are exposed with sheet metal cover over crankshaft removed.
Any information would be very much appreciated. We are both members of the Northwestern Michigan Engine and Thresher Club, Buckly, Michigan.
Our tractor could very likely be the only one in existence. This one we are restoring is a 1916 Model Bullock with creeping grip.
Bullock bought these engines and we have evidence of three types of engines used during this period. The one we have is a 4 cylinder Waukeshaw motor.
Also, would like to know if anyone has a set of magnesium steel tracks. These tracks were made after World War I.'
ROGER AYERS, 117 N. Josephine, Madison, South Dakota 57042 has recently purchased an Appleton tractor and would like more information on the tractor. Please, if anyone knows of any more Appletons, please let Roger hear about it. He would like to contact the owner for restoration hints. He thinks the HP is 12-20.
STANTON FILER, 45065 Road, 140 is looking for a few parts for a Titan Famous 1 HP hopper-cooled gas engine. Igniter complete part, number G7532 and a gasoline mixer part, number G6971. He would appreciate someone telling him where he could find these.
BERTON BLAZEK, Route 1, Innis-free, Alberta, Canada, TOB 2 GO, asks: 'Would someone give us the scoop on the Monarch gas engine? Who made them and what sizes?
When I was a boy in Wisconsin, my Dad had a very used 1? HP Monarch, the name tag had a crown emblem on it. I once noticed in a Howell cataloge about 1920 that they offered a 1? HP and 3 HP Monarch along with many other items.
A couple years ago we found this engine in Canada and on the nameplate was Ontario Wind Engine & Pump Co. with principle Canadian cities. The other day we bought one that read Gray Motor Co., Lansing, Michigan. It is identical, except that it has oil recesses on the main caps instead of grease cups.'
That's about it for this time and I'll leave with just a few quotes--Christ isn't valued at all unless He is valued above all.--Silence is one of the great acts of conversation.--Learn to labor and to wait; but be careful how you start, lest you learn to wait so well, you overlook the labor part.
3? h. p. New Way, Type C, owned by Kenneth Roloff, Marilla, New York. Shown at PGEA Reunion in 1969.
Here is yours truly, cutting oats on the home farm about 1930 with a 10-20 McCormick Deering tractor with a McCormick 7 foot right hand cut binder. I had a rope and spring rigged to the bundle carrier and when the grain was uniform height, I operated this rig alone.
1938 John Deere B, owned by Paul Luckman, Walworth, New York. Displayed at 1969 Pioneer Gas Engine Reunion, Fairville, New York.