Hi!! Here we are into another year of fun with the gas engines and the magazine - many of you write and tell us how much you like it - which makes us happy - we like to hear from you and if your suggestions can be used, we make every effort to do so - many times however what may seem great to one of our readers at the present time - is not always possible, but keep trying! And now onto our letters - and we do have letters a-plenty!
T. C. CRAUN, JR., Box 11, Mt. Crawford, Virginia 22841 needs your help as he writes: 'I recently purchased this engine - What make is it? There is no name or casting numbers on the engine. It weighs about 35-40 pounds and is a hit and miss engine, runs real good. If anyone has any information as to what make and where this engine was built, I would appreciate hearing from them.'
JAMES KANN, R.R. 2, Ridge Road, Belle Plaine, Iowa 52208 writes: 'I have some information that might help both Harold Gaddye and Dale Wright on their Gilson engines. I don't have one yet, but wish I did. But I do have a book on Gilson, dated March 26, 1909. They were made not only in Guelph, Ontario, Canada, but were also made in Port Washington, Wisconsin. The book shows both factories and the one in Wisconsin looks to be much larger. The Style E engine came in 1, 1-1/2, 2-1/2 HP. These are in air-cooled models. Style D 2 and 3-1/2 HP, also air-cooled. Style F, 6 H Pair-cooled.
The Style A is a 4-1/2 HP upright engine shown in tank cooled and also screen cooled models, shown in the book operating feed grinders and a saw rig. The Style K was in 7,9,12 and 16 HP, also tank cooled. Style G was in 7 and 9 HP, hopper-cooled.
I hope this information will help some engine collectors some place and if I can answer any other questions, I would be glad to do so. I have just purchased another engine, a 6 HP R & V side shaft, screen-cooled. I think it is a very old style, about 1904. I have two original books on R & V it's not shown in them and I would like to hear from someone who has one.'
Some helpful information comes from WALTER A. TAUBENECK, 4213 80th Street N.E., Marysville, Washington 98270: 'Here is some useful information for all those engine restorers around the world. First off, pick up several gallons of used automatic transmission oil and brush it on all that dry rusty iron. Also use it in the cylinder for stuck pistons. Fill up the cylinder and a grease gun with the oil. Adapt a grease fitting to the engine head on cylinder; make sure the valves are seated good and apply pressure with gun. This oil is very penetrating and goes to work on the rust.
Next a device to heat up large or small chunks of stuck iron: Bill of material (A) 1/4' x 30' water pipe (B) 1/4' pipe coupling (C) 1/4' pipe plug (D) 1/4' gate on globe valve (E) 2 3/4' x 6' steel tubing (F) 6' of 1/8' x 1' flat bar. Some 1/4' hose and propane tank fittings
Drill 1/16 hole through center of 1/4' pipe plug. No regulation needed on propane tank. Last of all, I would like to hear from a man who had a 10 HP Otto, more or less, at the 1974 Mt. Pleasant 25th Anniversary Show. What is the proper mix to get the Otto color?
WOODFORD TERRY, 111 Wiltshire Drive, Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37830 is seeking information on the following two engines: (1) Mc-Cormick-Deering tractor made by International Harvester Company, KO or KC 5582, RPM 1000, HP 10 on draw bar and 20 B. H. P. Has not been used for 8 years. Motor stuck, otherwise looks in very good shape.
(2) No Name - small water cooled engine. Dimensions - 8' between flywheels, 16' long and 10' high. 8' D. x 2' flywheels, one containing the fuel governor controls and the other the magneto. All parts contain the letter 'V'. Color similar to John Deere green.
GEORGE BOYER, General Delivery, Oklahoma State Tech., Okmulgee, Oklahoma 74447 would like to know someone who is familiar with the Aermotor brand engine. He would like to know the first year of manufacture, horsepower and original price. (Send him help-Fellows-he's a 'waitin').
SAMUEL P. NIXON, 1211 Country Club Road N., St. Petersburg, Florida 33710 has a question he claims no one ever answers for him: 'I have asked and no mechanic, engineman, etc. gives me a satisfactory answer. It concerns the flat belt used on the old machines. The pulleys had a high center (bigger diameter at center of the belt contact surface). The flat belt always tends to ride the high spot on the pulley, that is, the center. Why does the belt do that?' (C'mon Vets tell 'em. I don't know what he is talking about, but it sounds like the speed would gravitate it that way - to me - now, you tell them the real answer).
TOM CAMPBELL, Route 1, Box 115, Zion, Illinois 60099 writes: 'Thank you for printing my WHATSIT? last month. I received eight answers and it has been nailed down to a Borg-Warner or Warner gear from a Crosely auto. The F F marking on it is the trademark of Franks Foundries, Moline, Illinois who make some castings for B-W. The engine with the strange air intake is a Pincor by Pioneer GEN-E-MOTOR and everybody seems to agree the whole thing came from an Economy tractor. I'm in the process of answering all the letters and I'm going to write to Economy and Pincor and see what they have to say.'
AUGUST REIL, JR., 51 Washington Road, Cromwell, Connecticut 06416 has just purchased the remains of an Olds Gearless engine, serial number 4109, bore 4-1/2' stroke 7', flywheels are 29 3/4' diameter by 3' face. He is wondering if someone in Engine-land can tell him the horsepower and the approximate age of engine.
He also would appreciate any information or drawings of the exhaust valve actuating mechanism and governor assembly as all this is missing.
And he adds: 'Your magazine has helped me greatly in the past, as I am sure it has others. Keep up the good work!'
WM. C. KUHL, 464 South 5, Sebewaing, Michigan 48759 has a suggestion: 'Tell the Steam and Gas Engine Clubs to have one person to welcome the fellows who bring their equipment to the shows - after all what would a show be if we didn't bring this equipment. Don't get me wrong. I don't expect a big welcome mat rolled out, but I think it would be nice if they would extend a Thank You for bringing your equipment.' (I imagine this is done most places and perhaps there was just an oversight somewhere - I'm sure the clubs do appreciate all the entries in the show.)
R. J. CASHIN, 6 O'Neill Street, Leongatha, Victoria, Australia 3953 has some questions: 'I was wondering if you could help me with three restoration jobs I am doing - one is a late 1938 McCormick Deering 10-20 engine No. KCE Z13450 tractor No. 214207. When was it made and what are the decal details for this tractor, as the tractor has radiator shutters and is all red? The decals for 10-20 as advertised in G.E.M. are for early 10-20's which are different. Also exhaust pipe details or pictures for updraft.
Secondly, for Vertical 2 HP I.H.C. low tension details battery box, batteries spark coil-Attached is a picture of a similar engine and on my engine on the crankcase inspection plate is I.H.C. vertical engine manufactured by International Harvester Co., Chicago, U.S.A. Patents pending H.P. 2 speed 400 No. K6902 - F. Patented May 2, 1905. The patent information is cast in two places, on the cylinder block and lever at the base of the push rod.
'Can any of you good fellows in the Gas Engine Magazine Land help me? I have purchased a very old, but good Dynamo made by the Harmon & Van Winkle Company of Newark, New Jersey. The company has moved or probably is not in existence anymore. Can anyone tell me anything about the Dynamo or of its age or the company's address? Does anyone have a Dynamo like it? It is probably 32 volt D.C. system. - Come on fellows tell me something about it.' Write to: DON J. LIPPI, 804 Leeson Ave., Van Wert, Ohio 45891.
Here comes some sweet smelling advice from ED HUFNAL, 208 Penn Road, Troy, Ohio 45373 - try it, you'll like it! - 'Could I pass along a couple of tips to the boys through your column for loosening rusted parts? I guess all of us have done our share of heating, beating, grease gun hydraulics, and maybe even a few bad words trying to get rusted parts loose. An ex-Navy man told me to use oil of winter-green instead of penetrating oil. You get it at the drugstore - a two ounce bottle will set you back 49c, but it works! Just put some on the rusty part and give it time to soak in - a couple of hours may be necessary in some cases. It seems to dissolve the rust and go all the way through. It evaporates like penetrating oil - your shop will smell like a candy factory - but that rusty part will come loose! In the year I have been using it I have not had a failure or a broken part!
And thirdly, I would like details of engine and pump as in attached picture. Did early engines have grease cup on cylinder?' (C'mon Fellows - help our friend and give him some real data on these engines)
I am restoring a 1 HP Mogul with a hole in the cylinder wall, and the piston rusted solid. After soaking in old oil and kerosene for a year I gave it the oil of winter-green treatment. I then heated the cylinder good and hot and packed the inside of the piston with dry ice. This shrank the piston enough so I was able to drive it out with an eight pound sledge and a block of hardwood turned to fit the cylinder.
I sure enjoy the Gas Engine Magazine - especially your column with letters from the engine boys.'
ROBERT STREET, Route 4, Decorah, Iowa 52101 claims: 'I enjoy G.E.M. very much. I have a 1-1/2 HP Gray engine. The name is cast on the side of the water hopper; Gray Motor Co. Detroit, Model G. Could somebody tell me the original color for this engine?
I also have a small I.H.C. water-cooled engine that has the same base and flywheels casting (even the same casting number) as the I.H.C. Tom Thumb air-cooled engine. Could somebody tell me what this engine is called?'
MERRILL ROBBINS, R.D. #3, Jamestown, New York 14701 writes: 'I have an early 1900 Jacobson engine. I would like to know the original color - can you help me? It was made in Warren, Pennsylvania.' (How about it Engine Buffs - can you help Merrill?)
IAN G. REID, 251 Huatoki Street, New Plymouth, New Zealand has this to say: 'I would like to thank you for publishing my inquiry about the Stover Engine Works and also to thank the folks who wrote to me with the necessary information. I will be writing to each one personally later on.
My son and I have four gas engines in our collection as follows: A 1929, 2 HP Anderson (made in Christchurch, N.Z.); a 1930, 2 HP Lister (made in England) and a 1936 Blackstone Diesel (made in England) of unknown horsepower. These three engines are vertical engines and totally enclosed. Two days ago, we acquired a small horizontal gas engine with an open crank (not covered in). The name plate on the part of the engine was a portrait (head and shoulders) of a cowboy, with the words, The Hired Man, above it. There was no serial number in the space for it. Under the portrait was written, Associated Mfg. Co., Waterloo, Iowa, and, Warranted to develop a full strength 2-1/4 HP. The arm was missing as was the carburetor, so once again, may I ask for information about the engine and its makers. Also can someone send details of the missing parts so that we can make them.
We also have in our workshop a 20' pillar drill press, made by the Champion Blower and Forge Company of Lancaster, Pennsylvania with a Serial Number 2311, so it must be rather old. Perhaps some information about this, please!'
BEN H. KINSINGER, R.D. 1, Box 234A, Myersdale, Pennsylvania 15552 is wondering if any of the readers would have a full line of details on all McCormick Deering tractors, like power, year built, weight etc. (Anybody - write Ben if you have the info, he is seeking).
From MIKE McARTHUR, 605 218th Avenue S.E., Redmond, Washington 98052 comes this note - 'First let me say that I have thoroughly enjoyed Gas Engine Magazine since I became a subscriber a year and a half ago. I have a Root and Vandervoort engine built for the John Deere Plow Company. It's a 6 HP Type D, #DL 43840, patented July 14, 1903 - May 3, 1904. I would like to correspond with anyone who has an engine like mine, or is familiar with it. Thanks for your help!' (He's waiting for your help, Boys).
Some help with his engine is what ARTHUR E. BROWN, Rt. 20, Brimfield, Massachusetts 01010 is seeking as he writes us: 'Congratulations on a magazine that is really super! Takes me back to days when I was a lad (60 years or more). I marvel at the huge tractors you show - here in New England a Caterpillar 30 was a big machine at that time.
I have a Gilson 1 3/4 HP engine Type U, serial - 22116 which I use to saw wood with every fall. It has battery and coil ignition and starts with a pull of the flywheel. Can any of the readers tell me the approximate year of manufacture, also original color of paint on this engine? A small decal on front of water hopper says (Sixty Speed).'
DEWEY V. MARTIN, 3040 Crest Road, Cincinnati, Ohio 45247 is looking for information in connection with the restoration of one of the old Witte Engines. It is a one cylinder gas engine, 3 HP, 650 RPM, Serial No. 103415. He is particularly interested in any history, specifications.
ED GLADKOWSKI, JR., R.D. 1, Box 156 B, Jamesburg, New Jersey 08831 would like to know when a four-wheel Silver King tractor (like the one pictured in the Sept.-Oct. issue) was built. His tractor has serial number 319, with a Hercules IXA engine. He thanks you in advance for any information on this. He says he has been getting G.E.M. for a year and really likes it. (And that makes all of us happy!)
ERIC A. GANJON, Mountain View Farm, 3801 Salem Bottom Road, Westminster, Maryland 21157 talks to us in this way: 'I thought I would drop you a few lines. Winter is fast approaching and we are not quite done fall harvest, but the rain put me out of business today. We aren't buying too many tractors now, but are getting ready to rebuild some this winter. We are going to do the Leader tractor and our Oliver 99 this tractor came from Colorado. I also found a complete motor for my WK 40. We are going to put a 450 red diamond, out of an R 190 IH truck, in it. We will have to change the timing gear plate so we can put the mag and governor assembly on it.
When I got my Nov.-Dec. G.E.M., we had to stop work and check each page, and that takes time -(Ha). There is one thing - I have lived on the Eastern seaboard all my life and never had a chance to see the 'big' farm equipment of the plains. I would like to see in the G.E.M. some pictures and information on the big plows, going plows and cat walk plows. Also the first big pull type combines and pickers of the west and midwest. Maybe some old timer still can remember what it cost to run these rigs, and areas covered in a day. It would be very interesting to us here in the east.'
Eric sent along a picture of his 1954 60-0 tractor at work in the 1975 hay crop. It baled 12,000 bales this year. The orchard fenders and exhaust are removed. His daughter, Michele, is at the wheel.
Then I found this poem - it is just signed Love, Sue 1970 - It seems to have been in the envelope with the letter from Eric - It's called PLANTER OF THE SEED - He stands with feet implanted in the soil; His brow is wet, his hands are dry, his face tells of his toil. - He is the farmer, the planter of the seeds; He receives no medals, no honors, for his deeds. - He feeds a nation, a country, a cause; For him there is no rest, no delay, no pause. - He knows what it means to 'onward trod'; Perhaps he stands the closest to God!
Flying over the waves to us comes this writing: 'I thought I must write you a few lines after reading the Sept.-Oct. G.E.M. which my friend lent me. I am a member of the West of England Steam Engine Society and restore gas engines as a hobby. September last I was attending a large engine rally at Stowpaine Bushes, Dorset with one of my gas engines. While there, I met Cliff Hardy of California who was over here on a tour and he spent two days looking over the gas engines, etc. We had several chats about gas engines and he showed me several pictures of his engines back home like the one in the GEM Sept.-Oct. I think he was surprised to see such a large show over here, plus the fact that we still ran it during heavy rain and inches of thick mud underfoot.
I am at the moment restoring a Briggs-Stratton motor wheel engine No. D11290, waiting for information to arrive from Milwaukee.
Referring to the engine pictured in the GEM Sept.-Oct. from Palmer Bochow, the spark plug on the top of the engine is in the place where a gas primer cup should be. I would like any information regarding this engine. I also own and use a Wade one man drag saw, Model UK-SM-SM1 Engine No. 9057 supplied by Christy, Penny, London. Would anyone have any idea how old this engine is? I also own engines by Powell, Ruston Hornsby, Petter, Villies Lister, Wolseley, Wisconsin, Johnson, Wall Auto Wheel, in various sizes and fuels.
I must mention that we find the G.E.M. an excellent magazine and look forward to receiving it.
This letter comes from J. G. GOLDSWORTHY, 6 Merther Close, Sithney, Helston, Cornwall TR13 ORW England.
JAMES E. ANKNEY, 1047 Holgate Avenue, Defiance, Ohio 43512 has an old Emerson Brantingham tractor that has two wheels in front and one large wheel on the rear, tractor number 20806, 12 draw bar horsepower. He wonders if any of the G.E.M. readers know anymore about this tractor.
And from RALPH DONALDSON, 10275 Case Road, Brooklyn, Michigan 49230 this letter: 'On page 5 of the Nov.-Dec. magazine, Wallace Tinsley states that he would like to find a source for getting magnets for Wico E-K magnetos. I don't understand why anyone would want replacement magnets as they almost never fail. It has been my experience that when these magnetos don't work, it is almost always because of a bad condenser. In the unlikely case, when the magnets are weak, they can be recharged.
A suitable replacement condenser is NAPA No. 7-01314 which can be purchased from most automotive supply stores. Also, check to see that the contact points are clean and properly adjusted. A good way to check contact point adjustment is to place 3/32 inch spacers between the armature and the base and adjust so that the points are just open. Even after many years of service, the points are usually OK and adjustment is seldom necessary.
It is also possible that some of the connections in the primary circuit may be corroded and need cleaning and tightening. The primary circuit can easily be checked by an ohmmeter. The Wico E-K magneto has a normal primary resistance of 1.6 ohms, and a secondary coil resistance of 8000 ohms. The capacity of the condenser is about 0.2 microfarads. The magnetic gap when the points open is 3/32 inch.
I hope this will be of some help.'
CHARLES KREKOW, Route 1, Marcus, Iowa 51035 communicates thusly: 'Have been reading your magazine with great interest the past year sharing the magazine with a friend, - a really great little magazine.
I have been collecting and restoring for several years now. My collection includes a 1929 D. John Deere completely restored, that I enjoy running in parades, etc. when opportunity comes. I have a 1-1/2 HP International, nearly done, 1-1/2 HP J. D. running, but needs painting. My newest and most challenging is a 2-1/2 HP Fuller & Johnson, Model N.K. with one main bearing cap missing and also a cam gear ignition. Having never seen a complete engine, I wonder if anyone would have information or instructions. I really need some help on this one.'
LEROY QUANDT, Ryder, North Dakota 58779, one of our regular contributors to the magazine writes in reference to a letter from Sept.-Oct. issue requesting information:
'To help answer Mr. Sanford Gale's request to have the Oil Pull tractor explained, I have copied a page from the Country Gentleman. This is an advertisement by the Advance Rumely Thresher Company, Inc. LaPorte, Indiana, builders of the Oilpull tractor. This ad appeared in the Feb. 16, 1918 issue of the magazine.
The name Oilpull is the trade mark name for the tractor built by the Rumely Company of LaPorte, Indiana. The company began using this name for their tractors about 1910.
Can anyone give more details of William C. Durant's involvement with tractors, particularly the two wheel line drive type?
William C. Durant organized the General Motors Corporation in 1908 but lost control in 1910. He regained control of GMC in 1916 but was forced to resign again in 1920. He organized Durant Motors Inc. in 1921, but it went bankrupt in a short time.
In 1918 W. C. 'Billy' Durant got the Samson Tractor from J. M. Kroyer of the Samson Sieve-Gripe Tractor Company, Stockton California and made it a part of the General Motors Corporation.
When W. C. Durant had the Durant Motors Inc. in 1921 did he build and sell a two wheel drive line drive or steering tractor? Or was his only attempt to sell a line drive tractor the Samson Iron Horse in 1920 which had four wheels, all drivers?'
M. R. UERKWITZ, 1603 South 5th Street, Lafayette, Indiana 47905 would like any information he can acquire on Lambert side shaft gas engine. It has a 10 inch piston with 16 inch stroke and was built around 1900 in Anderson, Indiana.
Many thanks to Stewart Brad-field, Secretary-Director of West Virginia Oil & Gas Festival Box 191, Sistersville, West Virginia for sending me a metal dash plate from the 7th Annual Festival. Says Stewart: 'We gave each exhibitor one of these dash plates and felt that you should have one also.' (Don't know why, I didn't do anything to get it, but Thanks Again!)
BRAD E. SMITH, 3575 South 87th Street, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53228 relates: 'I recently purchased a 1-1/2 HP Economy gas engine, serial number 258914. While removing a layer of paint, I discovered parts of the original decal. It appears to be a medium green background decal, outlined in black and with black letters. Does anyone have an engine with a similar decal? If so, I would like to see a picture of a similar engine so that I might find out where the decorative striping was placed. Any help that you can give me on this will be greatly appreciated. I am a new subscriber to G.E.M. and I really enjoy each issue.'
ROBERT C. OLIPHANT, Box 3, Waterford, Virginia 22190 answered the letter of Al Gregoritsch that was in the Sept.-Oct. 1975 G.E.M. page 16. Thought many of you would be interested in reading it also.
Regarding the above named engine, I have one that looks very nearly the same. Stamped on the cylinder head in the casting is the number P-24. The speed adjustment bracket has the number P-3C stamped on the inside of it. The brackets which fasten the crank shaft to the crank case have N-20 stamped on them. KC-6 is stamped on the connecting rod; and the number 303M47 is stamped on the bottom of the igniter bracket which has the Webster tripolar magneto attached.
My engine has an oval brass name plate attached to the front of the water hopper above the cylinder head, which identifies it as a Pittsburgh Pump Company engine. I have seen identical engines with the following names on the brass name plates: the Dunn Engine Company, Atlanta, Georgia; the Jumbo Engine, and I understand there are others.
Those who know more about these engines than I have, told me that this engine was manufactured for other companies under contract by Nelson Brothers out in Michigan.
If these numbers on the castings that I have mentioned above fit in with your engine, it is undoubtedly a Nelson Brothers engine. I cannot tell from your picture whether your cylinder head has the two little holes for the brass name plate drilled in it. So far as I know, no other engine has quite such a clumsy looking rocker arm.
Last winter I took my Pittsburgh Pump Company engine completely apart and, after restoring the parts and painting them, I put them back together; and it started right off with the first try after it was put back together again last Spring. I find it is not a very smooth running engine and should be throttled down considerably. My engine is rated at 1-3/4 h.p. at 500 rpm.
I bought this engine at a bargain price in Central Pennsylvania about six years ago. Now after all the work I have put on it I doubt if anyone would want to offer me enough to buy it. It is really not for sale.
Hope the above information is helpful.
A second letter came in this month from RALPH DONALDSON, 10275 Case Road, Brooklyn, Michigan 49230 as he explains: 'In the November-December magazine on page 7, Philip Rubida shows a diagram for the wiring of a gas engine which is a correction for one that he saw in the Sept.-Oct. magazine. I thought it might be fun to draw a diagram as a complete schematic showing the complete wiring and the interior circuit of the Model T Ford coil.
MILO BLAUVELT, Bremo Bluff, Virginia 23022 sends this data: Here is a bit of information that might help some gas engine mechanics that have trouble with blow by blowing up through the lubricator pipe and oilers in the one cylinder engines; even though there is a check valve in the lubricator. I have installed a pipe Tee in the pipe below the lubricator with a street ell pointed up with a short length of pipe. All this is in the water hopper and if it does not extend above the opening it is not very noticeable. Not that it would do any harm or detract from the engine. The engines I have used it on work fine and keeps the smoke and black oil off the lubricator and keeps everything from being so messy. The oil will feed down to the piston and rings like it should. A lot of you fellows may know about this. Thought it might help someone that is starting with the wonderful gas engine hobby.
From the Southern part of the U.S. this writing arrived: 'Thought you might like to hear from someone in the Sunny South -Florida! I enjoy the G.E.M. very much and always read your column. (Thank you! W. S. HUGHES, R.D. 1, New Smyrna Beach, Florida 32069).
C. G. Byrd of Pulaski County is a collector of antique machines. His collection includes a six horsepower engine and a mill from the 1920s.
Mr. Byrd is now retired and active in furniture construction and telling stories about his engine and mill which are fascinating.
The 6 HP engine is like the one his father used to have on their farm near Snowville, which was used to run the mill and also to power a saw which cut their stove wood and boiled eggs, the water jacket which keeps the engine cool.
'The neighbors used to bring their grain in for us to grind. I remember one fellow who would bring corn over every Saturday, we thought it was strange that he was using so much meal, and later we found out he was running a still.
The mill was used mainly for grinding grain for cattle on the farm and was purchased from a mail order house for $15.00. It was also used to make buckwheat cakes and whole wheat flour.'
The engine weighs nearly a ton, has a five inch piston which travels horizontally. The rod and crankshaft are open and can be seen while running. Parts for the engine can only be obtained from one place -Mexico. Mr. Byrd also has a two horsepower engine. Courtesy of C. G. Byrd, Route 1, Box 146, Pulaski, Virginia 24301
I belong to a State-wide club called the Florida Flywheelers, with over a hundred members. We meet somewhere each month for a gas-up. Our last one was in Cocoa, within sight of the Apollo launching pads for the moon - where I work.
I have about fifteen engines, having started collecting about four years ago. My latest is a 10 HP, 1200 RPM, 36A4-1/4E, upright, 4 cycle Fairbanks-Morse diesel connected direct to a 6-1/2 K.W. D.C. generator. It\ is free, but no compression, paid $50.00. I have no information on it. Some people tell me it was made for Fairbanks-Morse with their name plate by another company. Could that be so? I wonder if it is of much value, believe it was made in the 1930s.
Over forty-five years ago, my Dad had several of these old engines scattered over our farms that were used to pump water from four deep wells to irrigate our vegetable crops. I can remember when working in a back field, I would often wrap a wire around a can of beans and drop it in the water hopper of one of these old engines. Needless to say - it didn't take long before I had a hot lunch.
During World War II, we, like lots of other people, sold these fine old engines for scrap. I would always save the magnetos and oiler, though. I recently located an old Fairbanks Morse 6 HP Z engine that belonged to my Dad that I am going to get. It is still in running condition.
I devised a way to check the point gap on those first rotary F.M. magnetos, Type R. The points were fastened to the armature which rotated around inside of the end plate which contained the cam. If a person drilled a small hole on outer edge of end plate at about the 8 o'clock position, he would have points on high side of cam and could then insert a cut down feeler gauge between points and check gap opening - I kept an extra end cap for this purpose.
The truck, now Dan's personal property, was formerly used at the Kinzers Quarry. Dan bought it in the spring of 1974 from the Slaymaker Estate, at a public sale. It was in running condition, so he drove it half a mile to the Rough & Tumble Grounds. He gave it a good clean-up and painted it, but found it needed no major mechanical work.
Pictured is a modern garden tractor belted to antique cider press. The tractor is owned by Jeff Miller while the cider press is owned by Dale Hempfing. Both are of RD#1, Glen Rock, Pa.
And now, enough of this nonsense and nostalgia - Happy Holidays!' (Same to you Mr. Hughes).
And MIKE SCHUETZ, R.R. 1, Slinger, Wisconsin 53086 would like this letter in this time: 'In reply to Dale Wright of Hialeah, Florida about the Gilson engine and where it was made - The Gilson engine was made in its main plant at Port Washington, Wisconsin and at the branch plant at Guelph, Ontario, Canada. A short run-down of their past in in order.
Theodore Gilson started the Gilson Foundry at Port Washington about 1850. Gilson and his son, John, were primarily engaged in manufacturing plows, threshing rigs, horsedrawn farm equipment, in addition to the small foundry during the 1880s. About 1893, or shortly thereafter, it became known as the Gilson Manufacturing Company. The present company has very few records so I do not know when the first Gilson or the last was made.
H. W. Bolens was one of the stockholders of the Gilson company. As a result Bolens and Gilson merged to form the Gilson-Bolens Manufacturing Company. Later, Gilson sold out to Bolens who produced the first walk behind tractor for plowing and cultivating in 1919.
Now a little about their engines -the Style E 1 HP came without a fan, but it could be furnished at an additional cost. The Style E 1-1/2 and 2-1/2 HP came equipped with a fan. The New Style E 5-1/2 hp had double opposed cylinders and the popular Style D, 2 and 3-1/2 HP hopper cooled, and the Style A, 4-1/2 HP vertical model. The Style C, 6 and 8 HP side shaft - this engine was tank or screen cooled. Also they had the Style K 12 and 15 HP similar in design to the Style C, but it was not a side shaft. Most of the above information came from Catalog G-4, but I have no idea what year it is.' (Hope you all understand this Fellows - I printed it as it was written).
LOWELL NEITZEL, Route 2, Box 286, Mora, Minnesota 55051
LOWELL NEITZEL, Route 2, Box 286, Mora, Minnesota 55051 says he has a 6 cylinder Wisconsin water-cooled 95 HP straight tork. According to the manufacturer that built this engine, it is one of three known, left in the world.
GLENN ALLEN, Schaller, Iowa 51053 comments: 'Just a friendly comment and possibly additional information relating to the ignition sketches page 31 of Sept.-Oct. G.E.M. and page 7 of Nov.-Dec. issue. I have always used the non-buzzer type coil for engines fired by igniter and the buzzer type coil for engines with spark plugs. I question that the non-buzzer type will fire a spark plug.
Mr. Rubida in his drawing in the Nov.-Dec. issue plainly shows use of 6 volt battery with Model T Ford coil. This coil was designed to operate on 18 volts which was the output of the Model T flywheel magneto. Remember fellows, we used two 9-27 ie 9 volt, 27 candle power bulbs in series for head lights. True enough, a Hot Shot or other 6 volt battery will activate the coil, but how much better the Ford engine ran when you switched to the 18 volt magneto. I find even a 12 volt battery gives much better results with this coil than any 6 volt. One more thing, just wedge the points of the Ford coil together so it will not buzz and you have a non-buzzer type coil you can use with igniter.'
Harlan Volzs H-K Huber tractor and two Internationals Famous gas engines on trailer. Dave Babcock of Cass City, Michigan is driving the tractor.
Harlan and his like-new Case and 28 inch Keck Gonnerman grain separator.
- Wm. C. Kuhl's Model A Ford deluxe sedan 1930 with trailer and Chapman gas engine in tow. John Smith is driving the Model A. John is from Livania, Michigan. These three pictures were taken at Annual Sebewaing Sugar Beet Parade in 1975.
Wm. Kuhl and his 1908 - 2 HP Chapman Gas Engine Serial No. 194. This picture was taken at Saginaw Valley Live Steam Show, Caro, Michigan, 1975.
A photo taken at the September-October Gas Engine Show in Sistersville. We feel this was the best show yet. American Press Asso. picked up a story on it, which was run all over the U.S. - even as far west as California.
Plans for our Bicentennial Festival are now being made and The Gas Engine Magazine will play a very important part in it. Because of our ad in your magazine, one exhibitor came 650 miles from Rockford, Illinois. He said he saw our ad in your magazine.
We are planning to explain the show as one of our main events at the festival.
Charles Stark of Republic, Missouri makes last minute adjustments to his 20-40 Oil Pull for the parade at the Ozark Reunion in September 1975. This machine has threshed around that area for many years and still displays its capabilities. Charles, with the help of some very capable and energetic officers put on a real show every year at Republic, just a few miles west of Springfield.
My father and I purchased this gas engine some months ago in very sad condition. The reason we are sending this picture along to GEM is that we have no idea what kind of engine this is - we hope some GEM reaser will help to identify it: Bore is 4-1/4', stoke 6-1/2', rod is brass, brass governor latch, crank shaft is stamped #6, has a Powell's oiler Patented Sept. 15, 1885 and August 13, 1889. We would appreciate hearing from anyone who can identify this engine.
Looking for information comes this letter from FRANK MANES Blanchard, Iowa 51630: 'I would like to say that I really enjoy reading the G.E.M. and I have some questions for your Smoke Rings column. Maybe someone who really knows McCormick-Deering equipment will have the answer. Did IH make an 18-32 just before they built the 22-36? What years were the 22-36 and the W-30 built? Did I.H. make a narrow tread F-30; if so, how much different was it than the regular F-30? What was the last year McCormick Deering made threshing machines?' (Well, you ought to wear the pencil point down on answering all those queries).
RAYMOND QUELLETTE, 65 Hanover Street, Apt. 2, Lebanon, New Hampshire 03766 conveys this message: 'I am a rock hound and I collect rocks and minerals and I found an old book on same for 1931. And it has a picture and story of the Old Friedensville Zins Mine and about the motor they had for the water, and they built the ship 'Battleship Maine' out of the motor.
I would like to have a picture of that motor, if there are any available.' (He goes on to mention this several times in the letter and really would appreciate seeing a picture of that motor - anyone know what he is talking about? -please get in touch with Ray if you do).
W. D. LESHER, R.D. 1, Dumgoose Hollow, Pleasantville, Pennsylvania 16341 is sending out a distress signal - 'I advertised two gas engines for sale in the Nov.-Dec. 1975 issue of G.E.M. and had a spendid response. However, a gentleman from either Wisconsin or Minnesota wrote to me and enclosed 50c for a photo of the engines. Before I could comply with his request, his name and address became lost and I still have his 50c. Since I haven't heard further from him, I keep thinking he may be on his way down here to poke me in the nose.
I hope he sees this letter and sends me his address as I would be most happy to return his 50c and apologize for my carelessness in handling his correspondence. And thank you for helping me to right a wrong and relieve my conscience.'
And from JOHN R. HAJOSTEK JR., Box 711, Grovetown, Georgia 30813: 'Help! I'm new to this old time gas engine hobby and I've found an engine I need help with - on the name plate of the engine it has FAMOUS VERTICAL ENGINE INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER COMPANY CHICAGO USA NO: KA33460 RPM: 400 HP 2 - What I need is a picture of this engine completely together. Also, I know there are a few parts missing. So if anyone can help me in my new undertaking, I'd be most grateful. (Help him please and do you see - he's from Georgia - I don't believe we hear from that area very often. Come on, we'll get the Southerners interested in this gas hobby too. If you help him, he will get others interested and next thing you know we'll have some newcomers to the magazine and maybe a new organization will develop.)
GUY A WINCH, Route 1, Box H 4, Michigan Road, Arcade, New York 14009 sends some help: I hope I can help Ralph Olmstead, 120 Guadalajara St., New Iberia, Louisiana - on page 5 of Sept. -Oct. 1975 issue, in Smoke Rings -from Art Anderson, Lakeville, Minnesota was trying to identify an old tractor engine for John Freeman of Goose Creek, Ohio. Well, I might be of some help as I have a 1929 Case Model L which they made only a few. It has 4-1/2' bore and 5-1/4' stroke. Somehow the name plate became lost when it caught fire as it was one that started on gas and switched to low grade fuel, but the warming manifold became rusted away so it used only gasoline. A leaky gas line caused it to get on fire, but it was put out. Engine is free and I have a used manifold but have not yet started to restore it. It has a glass drip oiler for rocker arms and the Waukesha engine I'm acquainted with surely looks like a twin brother in all respects. The oil screen is in the left hand side of oil pan. Oil cocks opposite side for oil level inspection. Hope this helps!'
This is the 3rd year that I've been reading G.E.M. and like most of the old engine enthusiasts look forward to receiving the next edition. I've managed these past 3 years to gather 24 engines of misc. makes sizes and states of condition. My largest, and I've enclosed a photo, has presented a few problems that I hope my fellow experts can assist me by providing some answers. This engine is a 12 HP Witte diesel. The serial number is D11374. From what I gathered from the previous owners, this engine was designed and coupled to a generator for use by the military. It's vintage is in the 30's. As you can see the generator is gone and someone added a cut-off saw. I've since removed this saw and I hope to get this engine to be a reliable power unit.
Above the injector pump is a gauge and I understand that this is to record oil pressure. Well, I replaced this gauge with another and I get no reading with the engine running at various speeds. If someone can assist me in describing the style of oil pump, where it's located, and how I get to it etc., I'd be most grateful. Now, it also appears that I'm getting water into my crankcase. New oil will appear cloudy and a tan color. I keep an empty can over the crankcase breather screen when the engine isn't running. Any comments!
Another question, what is that gadget with the 'T' handle located just rear of the fuel tank drain? Also, the fuel pump was missing when I purchased the engine. Does someone know of an automobile pump which would be usable on this engine?
In the last issue I had printed the following letter, but I made a boo-boo and forgot to put the man's address and name - Here is his name - KEITH R. MILLER, 721 North Shore Drive, Elkhart, Indiana 46514 and here is the letter again:
A man with a problem writes to the readers: 'I have a 2 HP Lauson engine built in the 40s, Model - #TLC-349, Serial #4-61904. I have had this engine for many years and realize this is quite a new engine when you compare it to most of the engines discussed in G.E.M., but I wonder if someone could possibly give me some help on getting it running again. My problem - the thing will not generate enough spark to arc across the spark plug. I have done about everything possible, new coil, new plug, new wires, etc. I even tried having the magnets remagnetized, which didn't seem to make a difference. The timing is correct and all components seem to check out when tested such as coil, plug, etc.
A couple of small engine mechanics in our local area seem to think the only thing left to do would be to replace the flywheel for one that has stronger magnets. Naturally, there is not a new flywheel in the country, plus I can't locate a used engine that I can purchase - fact of matter, I have never seen another engine like this one. My reason for getting the engine running again is that I put a lot of effort into completely rebuilding this engine. Please, can anybody help me?? I will answer all letters.
Now then, here is a letter in answer to Keith. This letter comes from DON RILEY, 21224 Placerita, Newhall, California 91321: 'Dear Man with a problem - page 6 of Nov.-Dec. G.E.M. - I went through the same exercise that you did, with same results, on a Briggs & Stratton.
When I took the flywheel back and told the mechanic the results, he told me that the magnets were fully charged and to bring the points in to him. I had already run sand paper through them, but he told me that they get a film on them that sandpaper would not always clean.
He put the points in a vise and with a file removed about .010' from each point using a lot of pressure. The film on the points prevented the coil from a full charge, resulting in a weak spark. After assembly, I had a good 5/16' spark and the engine runs fine.
I hope this fix will also get your engine running, as finding another flywheel seems unlikely - besides this fix is cheap.'
Well, as you can see we really had a lot of letters this issue and I must bring it to a close but I do want to tell you a little bit about the sale at 'Elmer's Korn Krib'. After it had been postponed Sept. 27, due to the damaging FLOOD we had here again, the second one in three years - Earlene decided to go ahead and have the Auction November 1st as I'm sure you all knew, as she sent cards to all the subscribers. Well, it was a 'fair to middlin' day' as they say (I don't know who 'they' are, but I know I've heard that expression.) It was crispy cold out and folks were happy to see the heaters going in the Auction Tent. The Long Brothers from Port Royal, Pennsylvania had charge of the Auction and did a 'bang-up' job. It was run very efficiently, and along with this, the brothers both had a lot of personality and humor - which makes for a nicer day for everyone.
Many, many pictures and hundreds and hundreds of books, plus all kinds of early farm items were in evidence. Old irons (the kind the women used), pots and pans, sewing machines, spool cabinets, rakes, barbed wire, locks, toys, and merchandise too numerous to mention was sold. Of course, there were many valuable handmade models, and plenty of salesmen's samples of engines, threshers, washing machines and the like that were proudly displayed before the gavel made the final decision as to price. And they brought a good price, as did many of the pictures -after all many of them are one of a kind.
A great number of the John Kauffman family of Mount Joy, Pennsylvania were there with their eyes and hearts set on some of the special models and paintings which had been done by their father or grandfather, John Kauffman - now deceased. They went home elated with their prized possessions, but their wallets were deflated as they spent several thousand dollars to bring the items 'back home' - and the glow on their faces made you know it was well worth it.
When it came time to sell the engines, it was a surprise to learn they both went to one man, Paul Russell of Route 1, Morrisville, North Carolina, who previously had been a gas engine man only -now, he is a gas and steam engine enthusiast. Good luck Paul and hope you enjoy them as much as Elmer, as he derived much satisfaction from having them.
There was an abundance of food, served by the Star of Hope Sunday School Class of the Memorial Methodist Church - to which Earlene belongs. Chicken corn soup, ham sandwiches, hamburgers, hot dogs, pizza, ice-cream, sodas, coffee, pies, candy, etc. The girls & many of the husbands, worked so hard to set up this event and were there before 6 in the morning and until 9 in the evening. Only thing - we did expect a much larger crowd, and therefore we had to sell the overflow, but it wasn't a total loss as we all shared in fellowship and did come out with some profit for the class - but don't talk about chicken corn soup for awhile - we've all had our fill! (T' was good though!)
So the Korn Krib Klosed and now all Elmer's cherished pieces of early Americana are in the hands of folks who also choose to preserve these items for posterity. I like to think Elmer would be smiling to see all these treasures scattered into all these areas, for if they are there, so is he - they were a part of him - and I'm sure he would want folks to really enjoy them - and I'm sure Earlene must have some feeling of satisfaction in trying to see they were made available to folks who care about the same hobby that Elmer enjoyed.
And now, I must close and as you go into the New Year I'll just leave a few thoughts for you to ponder: Do not face the day until you face God - He who receives a blessing should not forget it; he who gives it should not remember it - Three essentials - a faith to live by, a self to live with, and a purpose to live for - And remember the whole world is a camera - smile please!