Hi to everyone of you-hope you're all having a great time this summer learning more about your gas engine hobby-and hope you are also making many new friends. The more you learn the more you want to find out about your engines, tractors, etc. And it is so much more interesting when you meet people who are interested in the same things. And so, I'll get on to the letters so you folks can communicate through the Smoke Rings column.
First of all we have a letter from one of our newer subscribers as JAMES H. ORSBORN, P.O. Box 598, Yazoo City, Mississippi 39194 tells us: 'I have been interested in old gasoline and kerosene engines for years and have built up a fair size collection. I didn't realize that so many shared my interest until about a year ago when I met a man at an antique car show who had one of his engines on display. He showed me a copy of GEM and I have been reading it from cover to cover ever since.
I need some information on a couple of engines I have bought recently and hope to find someone who can help me through your Smoke Rings column. I have a 14 HP Waterloo Boy kerosene engine, serial #201099, with patent dates August 7, 1900, December 1901, October 7, 1902, and August, 1907. The other engine is a small IHC. I don't have a serial number on it, but H129 is stamped in the head, and H161 on the main bearing caps. I would especially like to know the year each engine was manufactured, the correct coloring, and if the engine was battery ignited or if it had a magneto. I would also like to know the type and horsepower of the IHC.
I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone with these types of engines. Thank you for a great hobby magazine, GEM.'
ROBERT MATEUX, 2204 Comanche Street, Sulphur, Louisiana 70663 is in desperate need of information on the 'Hallett' Diesel Engine Company in Inglewood, California. Please send answers to the above address. His phone number is 318-625-4801.
Needing some answers is a note from CHARLES WILSON, 12515 W. Graves, Waukegan, Illinois 60087: 'I have an Empire 2? HP, S.N. 65427 and a Cushman Cub model R14, S.N. 145090 and would like to know years made. It would be good to see a list of colors and where they can be purchased for the different engines and tractors, perhaps a few each issue. (Anybody out there have a list of this type let us hear from you.)
You have a swell magazine!' (Thanks Charles, glad you enjoy it.)
LARRY DEIN, R.D. 2, Blair, Nebraska 68008 tells us: 'I am enclosing a picture of a small grinder I recently acquired. I am in hopes that one of your readers may be able to identify it. It is a small burr mill and the only lettering on it is Baker Mfg. Co., Evansville, Wisconsin. I would appreciate any information as to the kind of hopper it would have had on it, the year and the color and any data on the Baker Mfg. Co.'
A letter of appreciation comes from LEROY WONDER, Danbury, Iowa 51019: 'This is just a note of thanks for the help I get from your magazine. What a great bunch of people you have for subscribers! We had a letter in your column and some ads in the back, and we got letters from all over. One day we had three letters, one from Canada with tractor for sale, one from Florida with picture of his tractor so I could see the colors and one from the northwest corner of Washington with serial number of his M.M. UDLX or Comfortractor.
We now have a list of 23 Comfortractors, none listed in Canada-we think there are surely some there.
Maybe I ramble on too much, but we even got a letter from a fellow telling us he had seen a tractor like we advertised for in Illinois-which we purchased last winter.
In the 35 years we have been married, I don't know if I ever wrote a letter, but now I have written up to five letters a day answering people. We think it is very exciting corresponding with people from all over the country.' (That's part of the hobby fun, LeRoy, hope you continue many years with it.)
ED F. EDWARDS, P.O. Box 197, Big Bend, California 96011 has sent us a write-up on his engine and two pictures: 'I recently acquired this engine and I would like to find out what it is, what company manufactured it and about what year?
There are no casting numbers on any part of the engine and no apparent place for a nameplate to go. There are several very odd things about this engine. The cylinder from the head half way back is tank-cooled; that is to say a water jacket is cast around the cylinder, where as the other half of the cylinder is air-cooled with rather wide, rounded fins that are spaced far apart. The piston connecting rod is round. The intake valve is inside a bell-shaped casting, which a 1?' pipe screws into which the carburetor is down at the end of, so that the gas and air mixture is drawn up the 1?' pipe and (around) the intake valve (stem and spring) and into the cylinder. The bell-shaped casting also serves as a folcrum or pivot point for the exhaust rocker arm. There is a babbitted, cast iron guide which is bolted to the side of the cylinder head which supports and guides the exhaust pushrod. There is a single governor weight in the flywheel which operates the hit and miss governor.
The flywheels measure 29?' x 3' and it has a 6' bore and 10' stroke.
Perhaps the oddest feature of this engine is that both of the main bearing caps are bolted on at approximately a 45° angle away from the cylinder instead of directly on top or at an angle toward the cylinder as on all other old engines. Both main bearing caps are broken, but I have all the pieces.
I hope to hear from some of the experts out there. Maybe the identity of this engine will prove to be somewhat of a challenge. I will answer all correspondence.
'I have just acquired a 6 HP open crank Dempster engine, shop #15711, class 6H. There are many parts missing and I would like to correspond with anyone having a similar engine. So I can find out what parts I need.
If you feel you can help this man with his Dempster engine please write ED PROSS, 931 Delphi, Lafayette, Colorado 80026. (Ed would also like to see an article on pouring babbitt bearings. And so would we-anyone out there have the time and ambition to send one into us would be appreciated.) Babbitt Connecting Rod Bearings.
A few questions about a Monarch Standard garden tractor come from KEN FRUTH, 1633 Twp. Road 1353, Route 1, Ashland, Ohio 44805. He recently purchased one, serial number 406H2715. Says Ken, 'The coil and points are inside the flywheel and the coil is missing. Could someone tell me what kind of coil was in it? Also, when I took the oil pump apart, a round dish with a slot in it fell out. I think it is the pressure regular. Where does it go? The tractor was painted green and red. What was the original color?
My boys, ages 13 and 14 and I collect John Deere L tractors and Allis-Chalmers B tractors. We have a '62', 1938 and a L. I. John Deere's and a 1939, 1940 A. C. B's. We enjoy the hobby and the going to threshers conventions. Keep up the GEM. It's a pleasure to read it.'
A note from C. H. ROGERS, 229 Northfield Center, Hendersonville, North Carolina 28739 tells us: 'Enclosed are two photos of a tractor I thought was built by Wheel Horse Company. The photos were returned with advice to contact you for identification and information. I am planning on rebuilding tractor and would like to contact the manufacturer, and anyone with information.'
A newcomer has a few remarks worth reading and maybe someone out there can give him some assistance. RICHARD J. NEDERHAUSER, 5349 Santa Anita Avenue, Temple City, California 91780 writes: 'I am a recent subscriber to your magazine and find all of the articles and ads very interesting and helpful.
I am currently trying to restore a Jaeger similar to the one featured on the cover of the January-February 1981 issue. I have written to some of the ads but to date have had no success in getting information on how to obtain parts or information. Any help or suggestions regarding my problem would certainly be appreciated. Thank you for publishing this fine magazine and for your attention to my Jaeger engine project.'
RICHARD K. ERICKSON, Route 6, Box 235, Eau Claire, Wisconsin 54701 asks: 'Can anyone out there in Engine Land help me? I need to know the original colors of the following engines: Worthington, 1 & ? HP #28070, type W; Fairbanks Morse, 1? HP, type Z; Galloway, 7? HP, #15718; Novo, model K03X4, #16187; Sattley Mont. Ward, 1? HP, #77389 and McCormick Deering, 1? HP, #W50998. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Enjoy your magazine very much, read it from cover to cover. Keep up the good work.'
JAMES M. (JIM) ENLOW, Box 38, Monterey, Louisiana 71354 is one of our newer members of the family and writes: 'I have been enjoying your magazine for just over a year now and only wish I had known about it sooner. Although I had been interested in them for years, I only started collecting engines about a year ago after I got my hands on an old stone burr grist mill like my dad had when I was a young lad.
My latest acquisition is the one I need some information about such as original colors and anything else known about it. The data plate has the following information: W. F. Taylor & Sons, New Orlesna, La.; type Alamo; No. 105956; RPM - 500; HP 2?. It is in almost perfect mechanical condition with just a little wrist pin slack. The engine appears to be almost identical to one shown in a 1926 advertisement by the Rock Island Plow Co., Rock Island, Illinois, as reproduced in a compilation of old ads by Alan C. King. Did Rock Island manufacture the Alamo or did Alamo manufacture the RI? Keep up the good work you are doing with your fine magazine and your Smoke Ring feature.'
BOYD JORDAN, 406 Wisdom Street, Moberly, Missouri 65270 would like some information on the Maytag washing machine engine. Is there a serial list left to tell the years? Were they all painted green? Does anyone know if there is a club or association of people interested in the Maytag? If you can answer any of Boyd's questions, please drop him a line.
'I enjoy Gas Engine Magazine very much. I would like some help from any of your readers who may have a Majestic gas engine. I just bought a 7 HP. Could anyone tell me the original color of engine and any other data about engine as manufacturer, etc? Will greatly appreciate it.' (If you have the answers, please write HARRY ELAM, 295 South 3rd Street, Greenville, Illinois 62246.)
WILLIAM W. BALLEW, 7812 E. 112nd Street, Kansas City, Missouri 64134 would like to know how long the Rock Island Plow Company was in business. He has two Rock Island engines, a 2 HP, no. A24525 and 1? HP no. 108071. He would like to hear from other readers that have his type of engines.
The following remarks come from H. L. RITTER, Route 5, Box 127, Fulton, New York 13069: 'Hi! all you engineers-just thought I would drop a note. Summer is here and the temperature has been high 80s and 90s, which is quite warm here in central New York State. I haven't done much with old iron this year as it costs so much to get parts reworked and gasoline is not cheap. (We're all in the same boat, as any hobby, necessity or wanted items seem to go up every month-glad we can still enjoy the free air and the beauty of God's creation.)
My grandchildren live next door and we have a Go-Kart, small tractor and an old riding lawnmower they ride, also their bikes. Sometimes when neighbors come over, it is a regular race-free-for-all with bikes and machinery? (Sounds like fun.)
In March-April GEM 1978 there was an article about making and using a magnet charger. One thing was omitted-please make note of this-Do not use house current-6 or 12 volt D.C. battery only. Use in 2, second cycle on, one second cycle off for three times. Do not use continuous cycle. The electric field off-on cycle makes the iron molecules align themselves to correct polarity. If left on, charger will overheat and burn up. I received letters one burned up, the other works fine. Something went wrong. Also notice one coil is wound in opposite direction from the other, thus N and S poles.
Frank Brenneisen of Chebanse, Illinois wanted to know how to make an ignition coil. I used the core and coarse windings 'as is' from a 'T' coil and make your own box to suit. Fill in space with roofing paint, let harden. To make from scratch, use 'T' coil core as a pattern. I also took apart a 12 volt auto coil. Cut off ends of lamination and put in container of choice. Also use a 12 volt car coil, put it in a spray paint can. I removed top of can and run wires thru holes in a wooden plug in top of can.
Does anyone know about the Maytag automobile. A picture I have shows a touring car, middle or late teens.
Not much other news so will close for now. Summer will be mostly over by the time you read this. The older you get, the less time you have and the faster it goes, the less you are able to do-use the time wisely.'
We are so happy to hear from so many new members of the Gas Engine Family-following is a letter from C. A. POULSON, 2926 N. 16th Drive, Phoenix, Arizona 85015: 'What a fantastic magazine! I am a newcomer to the old Gas Engine Clan, but not a newcomer to gas engines as I spent 30 years working on the big round engines for the United States Navy and flying multi-engine aircraft. Our engines were quite large as compared to my newly found love, the old one cylinder engines of the one to ten horsepower type. I am used to working on 9 to 28 cylinders from 450 to 3500 HP.
I need some help and information on two engines I have-first, is an International L.B. 1?-2? HP, 0#LBA117210. What I would like to know is when was it made? Second question is on my latest engine, a Farm Master, model 811.2, 2 HP, 750 RPM. It is complete as far as I can tell. I would like to have any information available.' (Mr. Poulson states he has never seen Farm Master mentioned in the magazine, although he has only received a few issues. It is one name not mentioned very much as I can recall-how about you gas fans-have we had any pictures or notes on this engine. Please let me know. It is not a familiar name to me.)
Next communication is from ROBERTO CALDERON, 703 Avenue, De Diego, Puerto Neuvo, Pureto Rico 00921 and he needs some help in identifying his engine. His letter follows: 'I am an antique collector and great enthusiast of gasoline engines, and have a few already restored in good working condition. There is one engine that I have not been able to identify its make and model, since it looks like many different makes and perhaps you or someone in the organization can help me do it. The following information (numbers) is all I have found stamped on the engine:
1. Cylinder block 9-21-25 (over spark plug)
2. Cylinder head 9-19-25
3. Ex. valve rocker arm 2 F 28
4. Magneto trigger arm or push rod, Oct. 30, 1923
5. Flywheels-both 2 F 68
6. Nameplate reads: Engine #337943, 600 RPM - 2? HP
7. Bore 3 5/8', stroke 5 1/8'
8. Enclosed is sample of head gasket to actual size and a photograph of the engine.'
DICK McCRAY, 202 Wynnbrook Drive, Hendersonville, North Carolina 28739 sends this letter in the hopes one of our more experienced gas engine men will write an article for all to read: 'I've just been through my 8? year collection of GEM looking for information about finishing a restored engine, but didn't find any articles that go through the whole process. 'Course it took me a long, long time to go through them, 'cause I couldn't help but read your interesting column in many of the issues. You know that is the first thing I read when a new issue comes and everything else except eating and sleeping stops until I've read the whole magazine. If I get up in the middle of the night, I often read good old GEM some more.
Anyway, since I didn't find a whole lot on how to refinish an engine, I'm wondering if one or more of the experts in this line would volunteer to tell us how he produces some of the beautiful paint and striping jobs we see in the shows. You know they range all the way from the way they look when you drag them out of the mud to showroom Cadillac jobs- which brings up another question- should we reproduce the original finish or take advantage of the modern day fillers, paints and striping to produce a slick, shiny job that you like to caress?
If someone should offer to write such an article, I hope he would include specifics such as types and brand names of products so we would know what to buy. Step by step explanations beginning with the initial washoff and ending with the protective coating, sanding, grinding and what all else goes into making a good job would make sure we dummies don't mess up the work.
If I had this information now, I could make a real nice finish on my 1904 4 HP Novo that is in good original mechanical condition, ready to run the contractor's hoist which it originally powered. I, and I am sure many more would be most grateful if you would publish this request and find some generous Enginite who would share his expertise with the rest of us.'
HELP! I have recently gotten two engines and need some information. I need to know the color and paint striping on a Stover 2? HP Model CTZ and for a Jaeger (Hercules) 2? HP. I believe this engine was built in about 1924.
Also, if any of your readers could help me-if there are similar valves, either gas engine or automotive that are similar to the exhaust and intake valves in a 2? HP Jaeger open crank.' If you have the answers on the questions asked, please write RICHARD LEHR, 4007 2nd Street, Baltimore, Maryland 21225.
A friendly letter comes from TOM CAMPBELL, 39443 Greenbay, Zion, Illinois 60099: 'It's been a long time since I waged a scribble stick in your direction. The last time was when my dad wanted an answer to What Is It? We had a good response. Thanks!
Anyway we have a new problem! Brother Don and nephew, Skeeter, have acquired a Fairbanks Morse, Model Z, 2 HP from Uncle Cecil Gibbs of Spooner, Wisconsin- Hungry Hollow Show. We need to know how it compares to the 1? HP and 3 HP in the article last issue of GEM by Wayne Grenning. I think the mixer is not stock (?) and there is a bracket over the gear that looks like where the mag was, but it is gone and the plug is now fired by a T coil. Also the gas tank is a substitute and we are not sure how the governor works. We would like to correspond with anyone interested in helping. Thanks in advance! Keep on Crankin!' (Thanks Tom, we'll keep on a-crankin!)
LLOYD R. SANDALL, Bassett, Nebraska 68714 has a 1910 vertical IHC 'Non Panel' gasoline engine 'with cooling tank' that can easily be made operable. He would like to know what valve this engine would take. Please get in touch with Lloyd if you have the answer.
Welcome to another newcomer as DANA A. BRINKMEIER, 3115 N. Central, Rockford, Illinois 61103 writes: 'I am a new subscriber to your magazine and truly enjoy the fine articles. I am writing to you and your readers for help.
I have restored a 1936 John Deere A last year. Recently I purchased a 1929 IHC 10-20 for restoration. I am in the process now of cleaning the tractor and sanding so as to be ready for painting. I have located decals for this restoration project.
My plight is in the fact that I cannot locate any colored pictures of the 10-20 and so am not sure of the paint scheme. Is the tractor all IHC red or is there some black (wheels) mixed? Also, I am not positive as to the correct location for all of the decals. Any help will be much appreciated.' (Hope you get your answers, Dana. Our Gas Engine Magazine has a great group of readers to help you.)
ROBERT WILLIS, 117 Jacksonville Circle, Pearlington, Mississippi 39572 has just traded for a 6 HP Novo engine which runs fine except a part is missing. He would like to hear from other owners of larger Novo engines.
Good News! Another new organization about to be born-read on: 'Would you please pass on this information for our Central Illinois readers in Engine Land. We are trying to organize a Steam-Tractor-Gas Engine Club in the Tazewell County area (and vicinity) of Illinois. We are trying to get things organized and off the ground and can really use some help! All interested folks (regardless of where you are) can contact me at this address or by calling 309-925-3932. Thanks a heap!' Write or call SCOTT LEE THOMPSON, Rt. 2, Box 99, Tremont, Illinois 61568.
A picture and article comes from GEORGE CADDELL, RR 2, Box 255, Westport, Indiana 47283, phone 812-591-2039. 'I recently purchased this engine and want to restore it, however, I am in need of any information possible. I was told it is a Little Wonder, however the identification tag is missing. It was located on the top of the water hopper on the ignitor side. It was red, has a 4?' bore, 6' stroke, an Essex mixer. The casting number on the head is KX10, KX2 on the flywheels, KX91 on the upper water hopper and KX71 on the bearing caps.
I need to know what pin striping, if the name was painted on the side, information on the identification tag and any other data.
I would like to say I enjoy the Gas Engine Magazine very much and wish it was a monthly publication.
I would like to pass on a thought that may save someone a great deal of trouble. If, for any reason, the cotter pin or in the case of the larger Fairbanks Morse engines, the C clip keeper, comes off the intake valve, it is immediately drawn into the cylinder causing usually much damage. A safeguard is to drill a hole through the valve, back a small distance so as not to interfere with the opening of the valve, however insuring that the valve cannot be drawn into the cylinder while the engine is running.'
Information is desired on Sattley Montgomery Ward & Co., 2 HP, speed 500, No. 1971 on governor and ignition system. See Want Ad Section also for ad of RICH HOWARD, Hysham, Montana 59038.
'Dear Smoke Rings' writes F. C. WATTS, 83 Gordon Street, Ormiston, Queensland 4163, Australia: 'I thank you for including my inquiry for help in your May-June '81 issue. I was silly enough not to follow up with an ad for the parts wanted. I have since then placed an ad. May I make amends by adding a small contribution to the hobby?
Down here we find that very rusty iron, or steel parts of machinery are de-rusted within a few days if placed in a container and covered by a mixture of one part molasses, (crude sugar cane) to three parts water. My tank is stainless steel and kept in a shed well away from the house, as in the past my better half, the wife, has had words to say about the smell; but a jet of water on a metal object so treated reveals the practicality of this method.
I know I'm not telling old hands anything new, but some may have forgotten the idea.' (That method is new to me, but How Sweet It Is- musn't smell good though. We learn something new each day, don't we?)
To the Gas Engine Friends comes the following letter: 'I recently acquired parts of a 16 volt D.C. generating light plant manufactured by Brevard Electric Corporation, Detroit, S.N. 232. The engine appears to be one cylinder, two cycle with the generator on the crankshaft. Was it all green? What did the radiator or water hopper look like? How did you start it? Does anyone else have one? Any help would be appreciated. You may call collect after 5:00. GARY GAUSERMAN, RFD 3, Luray, Virginia 22835. 703-743-5014.
ALLEN BROKAW, 3623 Co. Rd. 24, Cardington, Ohio 43315 is a young man that sends this letter for your reading: 'I am seeking help with one of my graduation presents. It is a Novo Model KU 3X4 vertical hopper-cooled air compressor outfit. The compressor is a Hobart Bros. 2 cylinder. I would like to correspond with anyone that has one of these rigs. The engine is completely restored so I won't have that big job to undertake.
I also received two FY-ED4 Maytags. One is a Model 37 and is running strong. I have to dig up some parts for the other one. I hope to get caught up on my engine work next winter, but who knows what the future holds?' (Thanks for writing Allen, and congratulations on your graduation-hope you have much fun in the future with your engine hobby and are successful at whatever work you might pursue.)
ATTENTION! Smoke Rings-'I know you have had a lot of articles on restoring an engine but I thought I would write mine to show what a wonderful magazine GEM is.
I swapped a Maytag for the remains of an Int. Model M 1? HP. The engine was missing the throttle control rod, ignitor, magneto, connecting rod cap, and all bearings. The. fuel pump was beyond repair and I ruined the cylinder head trying to remove a frozen exhaust valve. The entire bottom of the gas tank had rusted away.
I turned to the 'For Sale' ads in my latest GEM and the results were wonderful. I got a piston and rod assembly from Ed Deis in Ohio. The throttle rod also came from Ed. The piston rings came from David Reed in Maryland, the fuel pump from George Wilson in Rice Lake, Wisconsin, and the main and rod bearings from Wally Steding in Fort Dodge, Iowa.
I saw your ad for the Sandwich, Illinois show and went there and found a good cylinder head. I replaced the missing ignitor with a plate for a sparkplug. Made a new bottom for the gas tank and put on a spring loaded switch, that runs off of the exhaust push rod cam, for a timer. After new gas lines and a coat of paint, the engine started on the second pull of the flywheels and runs like a new one.
What would we do without GEM? Thanks for the wonderful job you are doing.' (This is a terrific ad for our magazines on how well our ads help others. It came from BOB BRIGGS, 7601 22nd Avenue, Kenosha, Wisconsin 53140. Thanks Bob for the boost.)
'I have just purchased an Economy engine, 8 HP, 400 RPM, #00-XK 18112A found under some rubbish, in pretty bad shape, so I'm going to need some help to restore it. I need to know some fundamentals of Wico Type EK mag and operation of carburetor mounted on it. It has, I presume, a throttle central governor. If you'll steer me in the right direction, it will be much appreciated.' (If you can help, please write DONALD R. ARNETT, Emma, Kentucky 41625.)
One of our GEM members writes again, sending his appreciation and asking for help: 'I have another inquiry for Smoke Ring readers, but first I want to thank all the fellows who identified my Coldwell engine mfg. by the Coldwell Lawn Mower Company of Newburgh, N.Y. picture in Nov.-Dec. 1980 GEM. This may help some other collectors identify their engine. I also would like to thank the ones that wrote me giving me information on my Keller engine and that it was manufactured by Charles Keller, owner of Bloomer Iron Works, Bloomer, Wisconsin.
I have recently purchased a Stewart Little Wonder engine sold by Chicago Flexible Shaft Co. and was used as a two-man sheep shearing machine. I cannot find any name or serial number on the engine. I am wondering if anyone can tell me if Chicago Flexible Shaft Company made the engine or did some other company make it for them? I have the specifications from the company, now Sunbeam Corporation, but they could not answer my questions, the engine is a 2 Hp vertical, hit and miss. Water tank sets directly on top of the flat headless cylinder. I would like to hear from anyone who has one or can help with the information.'
(If you feel you can help with data on above request, please write TOM PEMBERTON, Route 2, Centralia, Missouri 65240.)
'I'm kind of new in this wonderful hobby,' says MIKE HOFER, RR 1, Collins, Iowa 50055, 'but I have managed to collect four engines of my own. I have a 1? HP John Deere, a 1? HP International, a 1? HP Fairbanks Morse and a 2 HP Jaeger.
What I really want to know is if someone out there would like to write an article on sand casting with brass and aluminum. I'm sure there are other people who would be interested. (Send it to me, and we'll certainly try and print it-Anna Mae.)
I would also like to know the Witte manufacturing dates. Also Jaeger manufacturing dates. Thanks for a wonderful magazine!'
THOMAS W. ENDERSON, Route 1, Jim Falls, Wisconsin 54748 sends a letter he feels will be helpful to the readers: 'I have been collecting gas engines about ten years and have spent about half that time tracing the history of the Bloomer Machine Works, Bloomer, Wisconsin. This machine shop manufactured the Bloomer and Keller engine, and after the business failed in 1915 sold the remaining stock under the name of Eau Claire engine.
The best place that I have found for information is at your local public library. This system at Madison, Wisconsin is the National Archives for all the newspapers in the United States. All of these newspapers are on micro-film and you can get a list of them at your library to check out and read. Most libraries have a micro film reading machine and it is very fascinating looking through all the old newspapers for ads and articles of the time. Also check the old public directories at the library and the old telephone directories can be helpful also. This is the best way, rather than just listening to stories of the good old days.
If anybody out there in Gas Engine Land has any information on Bloomer, Keller, or Eau Claire engines, please write me as even the smallest bit of information can help out, because it all adds up.' (Tom, take note of Tom Pemberton's letter two letters above this one, perhaps you two could work something out together.)
The enclosed picture comes with a letter from WILLARD WILKS, Route 2, Box 221, Brinkley, Arkansas 72021: 'Picture is of an engine I just bought. I have been told it was made by Nelson Brothers. It does not have a nameplate or decal on it but looks to be about 1? HP, serial number is N625. Some of the part numbers on the engine are, timing gear N2, Detente lever M4 and rocker arm M7. It is painted red and has orange stripes on the flywheels. The piston measures 3?' and flywheels are 18'. The main bearings use soft oil. I am missing some parts (see Want Ads).
If possible, I would like to know the age of this engine, horsepower and if engine was called a Nelson Brothers or if it went by another name. Thank you.'
LARRY HOCHSTEIN, Box 162, Wynot, Nebraska 68792 says: 'Hope Smoke Rings has room for a few questions and a bit of advice. Questions first-I've just gotten hold of a 4? HP Sandow horizontal hopper-cooled engine, serial number 57175. It is in bad shape and I would like to find out how old it is and how rare? I've looked through all of Alan King's engine ad books and a large stack of GEM without any luck.
I'm also looking for the right color of red and correct decals and striping for a 4 HP Stover, model JR sold by Sandwich in 1913.
Now, the bit of advice! The grease gun method of pushing out stuck pistons has worked many times for me with the exception of a headless Fairbanks Morse. The inside 'head' of the cylinder has little support and under the extreme pressure of the grease gun the casting will crank as mine did. There is no way to get at it to weld it, so you end up with just another parts engine. I have heard of this same thing happening on another engine of the headless type.
Thanks for the chance to add my 2? worth to Smoke Rings.' (You're welcome, without these letters, we wouldn't have much of interest to print.)
A letter of satisfaction comes from BILL CRONAN, 8471 Lemon Avenue, La Mesa, California 92041: 'I have received many answers to my article in your section of GEM. I sincerely appreciate all the people who have written and helped identify my engine. You printed the picture of it in the July-August issue, unrestored and now identified as a 1914-1915 Caille. It is also restored now. Thus I send a picture of it along with many thanks, hoping other GEM enthusiasts have equal rewards.'
LESTER D. UNRUH, Route 1, Box 10A, Copeland, Kansas 67837 says he is looking to our great magazine for help as he tells us: 'I found a Dempster 2? HP, serial number 7759 in a salvage yard. I need to know the color, pin striping and I would like to know the year. It has an open crank. This engine is missing a lot of parts. I have talked to some and some say they have heard about Dempster, but do not know much about them. I need all the help I can get.'
Lester mentioned a lot of parts that are missing-again, I must caution you wonderful folks-I cannot mention parts wanted, books or anything that could be sold. That must go in the Want Ads and unless we hear from you as placing an ad, we must delete some words. Sorry, but I'm sure you understand this policy. Keep the letters coming and the ads, we're happy for both.)
One of our newer members sends this: 'I'm new at this sport of collecting old tractors as I am only 20 years old, but I already have a 1948 John Deere B which I put a loader on and use every day. And, my real joy is a size C Case on original steel, original paint and original owner's manual. I don't know what year it is, but the serial number is C369954. If you could tell me what year it is, I would really appreciate it. Thanks!' (You would think the owner's manual would have the year wouldn't you? Or, am I supposed to know that manuals do not have the years listed. I've been with this communication for quite a while and I do learn things from time to time. I understand much of the lingo and numbers, etc. but I really wouldn't know much about the engines. I like to discover these new bits though- perhaps the serial number will determine the year. I know that is possible and thanks for writing. We're so happy to have so many of the younger generation joining our family. If you can help JERRY GRAY, write him at 800 Milwaukee Street, Mauston, Wisconsin 53948.)
The following is a letter printed in March-April 1981 issue and I somehow missed putting the name and address on the letter. This does not happen often. I believe this is the second time. Nevertheless, I will take 30 lashes with a typewriter ribbon for punishment. Come to think of it, some of these letters are punishment to decipher-only kiddin' fellas, I love you all! The letter is from GEORGE H. MILLS, Route 19, Box 69-1, Davis Road, Iona, Fort Myers, Florida 33908. George wanted to know if this was a joke on him. No indeed George, and I am truly sorry for my error. I am just glad you wrote me and left me know about it. Otherwise, I could not have printed it again. George writes:
'Could any of our 'antique engineers' tell me the dates of manufacture of Aermotors 8 cycle engines. No. CRAC has the governor on the end of the camshaft. The other engine #84P has the governor in the flywheel. These are fine little engines.
Wish you could try to make 'our' magazine monthly, but hurry up as I am on the downhill side of life. I get anxious waiting two months for it.' (So please fellas, as a special favor for me, get the information to George. He and I both will greatly appreciate it. Help get me out of the dog house.)
This letter is also from GEORGE H. MILLS, same address as above letter, but it is an answer to Sam D. Mendenhall, Galesburg, Illinois who had a letter in the March-April GEM, page 12. George thought others would like to read this information also: 'Hello Sam- You asked for information of the 8 cycle Aermotor. Bore X bore X stroke X RPM X 1 cylinder = 13000 engine HP. The engine HP which was printed in GEM 2 or 3 years ago. Also cu. in.. 15 = bore X bore X 3.1416 = cu. in. Also B.M.E.P. 15 = 792.000 x HP/R.P.M. X cu. in. = B.M.E.P. Also cu. in. x 16.39 = C.C. Also C.C. to liters = Cu. in x .01639 = liters. Also liters = L. x .264 - American gallons.
Regarding date of manufacture-I was sitting half asleep along side my little 8 cycle putt-putting away, when an old man came and started to laugh at my Aeromotor. He said he had one his father bought for him to pump water for his cattle ranch, if he could make his proper marks when he went to school. He did and he used it until about 1905 when he bought him another with the governor on the camshaft in 1905.
I got hot and quizzed him about the age of these engines. I'll bet his age was about in the range of 95. He figured both engines were about 1902 and 1905. His second engine had the governor in the flywheel. These engines, I would say are tricky!
I would say the first thing to do would be make a lefthand crank to fit the left side of crankshaft-you probably can't buy one. Here is a sketch of my crank
I have found no data plate or a place to put one or fasten to the engine. This engine runs over, not under. According to literature, maximum RPM is 550. Your ignition timing is about 5° BTDC. Your exhaust timing is about 10° BBDC. This can be timed by ? bolt over exhaust with a lock nut on same. I adjust about 10° BBDC. Price lists mag ignition at $50.00. Price lists battery ignition at $44.00. Pump jack geared 15? to 1. Shipping weight 225. Flywheel weight 48 pounds. My foundation frame was made of steel side rails of a bed with 2 wheels. Carries about 2/3 of complete weight. A 5' 1' pipe slides in cylinder end of frame for moving around. The Aermotor also made a double wheel engine 4 cycle pumping engine 2? HP, 4 1/8' x 6', 400 RPM. 5'-5' x 7? 360 RPM. As to the paint color, use not over six different colors on different parts of your engine. Clean all your partly used cans on your shelf and use them.
I hope you can get a little information from this letter scratching as I have passed the 82 year mark and still going strong. We hope to make Nova Scotia this summer. We are into Connecticut so far. This is my answer to Sam. So keep them engines poppin'.' (This letter took quite a while to decipher but I don't mind as George is past 82. The printing wasn't too bad, but I believe it is the smallest letters I have ever seen. I don't see how he could do that-but I commend you George for taking the time and effort. I am sure Sam and the folks that understand it, especially all those numbers, will appreciate it. This should square things between you and I George, don't you think-for my forgetting your address on the first letter? Have a good time traveling-love ya!)
It's time to close a long time ago really, and I was going to give you a few good words of advice or humor that I usually did up BUT here's one more letter to print-and I think this will take care of all the closing I need. I really thought this was going to be a great historical piece of literature or something very serious. Read it, enjoy it, take it with a few grains of salt and lift your feet high-this masterpiece comes from JOHN N. KLASEUS (The Baker Fan Maker) 641 Park Avenue, North Mankato, Minnesota 56001: 'We enjoy reading GEM cover to cover. Smoke Rings section is real good. (Thanks, but that is because you people send all the good material.)
'In the July-August issue the subject of the Baker Fan was brought up. The true story of how the Baker Fan came about is like this-Quite a few years ago, we were having an Old Time Threshing Bee. We had contacted the local Baker to furnish rolls for the food stand. Well, it so happened the temperature was right near 100 degrees and the rolls turned out to be a flop. They didn't raise, but spread out thin and tough. Not to be outdone by that setback, we sold 'em to the people that come to enjoy the show, to use as a hand fan to keep cool. We jokingly called 'em the Baker Fan. Well, as they discarded 'em on the grounds, the tractors with steel lugs picked 'em up as they drove around. We discovered the more they picked up, the more power it took. Well, we put two and two together, but before we got a patent on it, somebody must-a slipped a few of them rolls in a gunny sack and got away.
Anyway, I still have the original Baker Fan out back in working condition. People come from all over to belt up to 'er and listen to their tractors work a little. The original blades made from these rolls are still on it-I said they were tough!
The Baker himself, has either retired or went broke.'
(Come on guys, what do you really think of this? Any more true stories, or how about the true story of the Baker Fan?)
Nuff said! Bye for this time-God bless you and keep articles, letters and stories comin'-GEMuinely,