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WHEW! I love summer, but I don't think it loves me anymore -the heat has me drained of energy, but I think when I look around I'll have a lot of company in the same boat with me.

I just got the word we're to meet next Saturday at the church to make chicken corn soup to freeze for the upcoming sale at Earlene Ritzmans. 160 dozen ears of corn to husk and clean - now I can really say WHEW!! A large crowd is expected and we're starting now to prepare the meals - can't do it the day before, you know! Hope to see many of you September 27!

HAROLD GADDYE, R.R. 2, Binbrook, Ontario, Canada LOR 1CO sends us our first letter of this column as he says: 'In reply to Dale Wright of Hialeah, Florida about theĀ  Smoke Rings and where it was made. It was made in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. The approximate time of the manufacture of engines would be from 1900 to 1930. They were made in sizes from 3/4 HP to 15 HP. Records of the engines have not been kept by Gilson since the engine line had been discontinued, so we have to use a little imagination as well as talk to some of our elders to find out about the age of engines. The Gilson plant still makes refrigerators and washing machines, also other small articles. In their early days, they made a good line of farm machinery, silos, stable equipment, drag saws - to name a few.

The Gilson engines were never made in the vertical models, but made a good durable horizontal engine from beginning to end.

In this area, the engines are fairly common, particularly in the smaller sizes of up to 3 HP as they were used mainly for orchard sprayers and pumping.

My collection of over 175 engines includes five Gilsons up to 10 HP. I also have two engines we call 1-1/2 HP as pictured in the July-August magazine that are duplicate engines.

SANFORD GALE, Box 374, Dennisport, Massachusetts 02639 writes: 'Myself and others in this area confess that we do not know what an Oil Pull engine or tractor is that is often mentioned in G.E.M. Would you have it explained in G.E.M. or have some readers send some definitions?' (I know they will get answers on that one - and the first good article that comes in on this subject, I'll print).

GEORGE L. JACOBS, 708 North 'F' Street, Wolf Point, Montana 59201 would like to see an article on the 'Starting Engines' like what came off the I.H.C. large 45 HP and 30-60 HP Titan tractors that were built back in 1910 to 1914 years-the big 2-cylinder kind, some were Model 'T.J.' - that's the letters T J. (I'm not sure if I understand what he is after exactly but I know my 'gas professors' will - let's hear it from you).

ANDREW POE, 200 West Madison Street, Franklin, Indiana 46131 writes: 'I have recently purchased a (1928?) BC Case and am seeking information to restore it. The Case is equipped with a Waukesha engine and an American Bosch magneto. The unusual thing about it is the steering. It has a handle bar steering device which someone has fabricated and I would like to have any help you could give me about the original steering.' (This is a new member to the Gas Family, Boys - so let's not let him down)!!

CLIFFORD R. HESS, R.R. Anthon, Iowa 51004 says: 'I have been receiving G.E.M. for less than two years and just don't see how I could get along without it. Here in Western Iowa, we don't get exposed to many of the engines from back East or from farther West. Gas Engine Machine sort of lets me know what is going on in the rest of the gas engine world.' (Thanks Cliff, makes us feel useful to hear such comments).

GORDON E. TRAXLER, R.F. D.2, Box 40, LeCenter, Minnesota 56057 is interested in finding out the prices on cast iron machinery seats - he thinks there is a price catalog printed somewhere in Kansas. Do any of you know about this booklet? If so, please write Gordon.

PERCY MEPHAM, 31 Lurkins Rise, Goudhurst, N. Cranbrook, Kent, England is restoring a 1-1/2 HP open crank PILTER engine NY 137106, made in U.S.A. and is wondering if any reader may have any records of these engines. (If you have the information Percy is seeking, please let him hear from you.

ALVIN D. MEYER, 116 Somer-ton Avenue, Kenmore, New York 14217 is seeking information on the early tractor called the Bates Steel Mule. He says his father used one on a farm in Kansas sometime about 1915 through 1925. Please write Al if you can give him some data.

ALBERT C. HIETT, Route 1, Box 1092, Delano, California 93215 writes: 'I have been a subscriber for the last four years and I think G.E.M. is the best. Last December, I ran into a problem and it was printed in your magazine and I received 19 letters and the problem was solved. Now I have another problem.

I am seeking information on an engine. On the nameplate is (4 H.P.----Speed 350 Orr & Sem bower Inc., Trade O & S Mark, Reading, Pa.) The engine is an upright, mounted on a frame with a winch. I have not seen any articles on this make, Can anyone help me out?'

Here's some interesting material for you readers from MERL BARNES, 7013 North view, Boise, Idaho 83704:

Several months ago I asked for information on magneto recharging. I received several good replies and thank everyone who wrote.

Here is what I built at very low cost that works fine. Get two starter solenoids off a G.M. car or truck preferably the old type, six volt. Remove plastic cover and take out all but two posts. Cut off the mounting end of the case so they look like the picture. Fill the center hole as full as possible of short lengths of stove pipe wire and tighten by driving in a few nails with heads cut off. I put a small hose clamp around the bundles of wires sticking out. I ground the ends at an angle so I can use them in Maytags, old type B and S, etc. The North and South, which can be determined with a compass, can be changed by reversing the Pos. and Neg. Put North of charger to South of magneto and South of charger to North of magneto. I used jumper cables to connect to twelve volt battery in car. Make and break circuit at charger end as there is danger of explosion if there is a spark at battery. Tap magneto lightly while charging. It only takes about two minutes charging.

Next letter is from RALPH OLMSTED, 120 Guadalajara Street, New Iberia, Louisiana 70560 - 'In reference to a Smoke Rings article from Art Anderson, Lakeville, Minnesota. He was trying to identify an old tractor engine for John Freeman of Goose Creek, Ohio. Mr. Anderson stated the engine was likely a Model L Waukesha 4-1/2' bore X 5-1/4' stroke. I have worked on Waukesha engines only for over 21 years and have an almost complete list of all made since Waukesha started in 1906. The Model L, LU4 and LU7 engines were 4-1/4' X 6 3/4' stroke, 4 cylinder, 383 C.I.D. and 38 brake HP, bare engine. The only Waukesha I can find to meet the 4-1/2' X 5-1/4' is a Model V1K, 4 cylinder overhead valve engine built up until late 1940s. This engine is almost identical in design to the engine on a 1936 Oliver Hart Parr tractor, which was built by Waukesha.

I am new to old engine collecting and have about 14 and love the Gas Engine Magazine. Anyone interested in South Louisiana in forming a club on Steam-Gas engines - contact me. I have a few interested now. I'll be happy to help anyone identify any Waukesha engine.

Following is a picture of a 1-1/2 HP John Deere engine identical to one found not too long ago by JOHN R. LODER, 18100 N.E. 95th, 32, Redmond, Washington 98052. He would like folks to write to, to get information, pictures, etc.

And from across the Atlatic from A.E. PADWICK, 30 Twitten Way, Tarring, Worthing, Sussex, England - 'I am the owner of two lighting sets built in your country and I am requesting information from any of your readers who can help. The units are manufactured by Salley Electric Lighting Corporation, Detroit, Michigan - Dynamo by Robbins & Myers Company, Springfield, Ohio. One is numbered 18298, Type F, believed to be made in 1913. The second is numbered 27794, Type H, but I have no idea of its age. I would welcome any information of any sort on these engines.'

From one of our FAMILY members, LEROY QUANDT, Ryder, North Dakota 58779, comes the following:

'In the May-June 1975 GEM there is a picture of an old Twin City tractor sent in by Milton Martinson. This model rated 25-45 H.P. was built by the Minneapolis Steel & Machinery Company of Minneapolis, Minnesota from 1912 to 1915.

The Case tractor pictured by Ward Bruhn is a 20-40 H.P. model.

This style Case was built from 1912 to around 1920. The model with the tubular radiator that used exhaust induced cooling was built from 1912 to 1915.

For those interested in the age of tractors, some of the things that are helpful in determining age are pictures or detailed descriptions of the tractor. Then too, the serial number, if it can be found. I have been collecting tractor numbers, pictures and ages from the sources that are available. In some instances the number is no longer on a certain tractor, then one has to compare the model with old tractor advertisements, catalogs or other old pictures of the particular model in question.

I am trying to figure out the various models of tractors built by each company and then how long each model was built.'

BARRY TULLER, R.R. 3, Box 48, Mt. Pleasant, Iowa 52641 writes us: 'I started collecting gas engines a little over a year ago. I have a few engines I have been unable to find information on - one of then is a 1 HP Workwell. I have not seen another engine like it. I have been unable to make it work so far. Any information you have on this engine will be much appreciated.

I also have a 2-1/2 HP Sprayer engine manufactured by the Bean Sprayer Company of San Jose, California. It is just like a Witte. I would like to know the date it was built. All letters will be answered.'

ROY H. GROB, 1232 N. Florissant Road, Saint Louis, Missouri 63135 has a letter of interest as he writes: 'For a helping hint on getting a stuck engine piston loose in an engine without using a hammer - I had a 3 HP Model Z Fairbanks-Morse engine that laid in a creek about four years. I took the head off, leaned the engine back on its flywheels, filled the cylinder full of penetrating oil, set it on fire, and when the oil burns, it boils and seeps down around the pistons and frees it. I had no trouble turning it over after the oil burned out. Hope this will help some of you guys.

I belong to the Ill-Mo Gas Engine & Tractor Club here in St. Louis, Missouri and am also a member of the Owensville Thresher Club of Owensville, Missouri. I have been to a lot of shows here in the Midwest the past few years. I have never met finer, down to earth people than those that come to the shows, in all the clubs. I think the Gas Engine Magazine helps bring a lot of us together.'

GEORGE KASDORF, SR., 704 South Sixth Street, Goshen, Indiana 46526 sends a lot of news packed into a few short paragraphs:

The Response to my plea for help in the March-April issue of GEM was gratifying indeed. I had three letters, even before I received my May-June issue. Even though I answered all letters I again wish to thank all who took the time to write. The engine is now running well and ready for our show in August.

Hoping someone can learn from my bad experience I would add a word of caution here. Watch that moving machinery! The last time I had the B & S running I got too close to the flywheel and a broken kneecap resulted. Four weeks with a cast and now five weeks later I am just beginning to begin to walk again. Those accidents we can do without, as they spoil a summer's fun.

And now on the pleasant side. On April 19 my wife and I drove to O'Hare airport and met the two Korean girls aged 10 and 12 who are now part of our family. These two girls with the four children we already had, have filled our cup to overflowing.

(Praise the Lord - for folks like George and his wife - good luck and happiness with your new additions to the family).

READ THIS ONE!--CLIFFORD C. SPOHN, 138-1/2 East Center Street, Marion, Ohio 43302 says: 'I would appreciate any help I could get relative to the Star Engine, which was manufactured in New Lexington, Ohio by my great grandfather, James S. Woodcock, whose business was called the Star Manufacturing Company. I have never seen one of these engines and would like to become more familiar with them. If any of your readers could help me out, either with photographs, drawings or other dope, I would be very grateful; and for such information that would lead to my acquisition of an engine offered of sale at a reasonable price, I would gladly pay a $100.00 finders fee.' (See Clifford's ad in this magazine).

Another reader is seeking information as this letter comes from MELVIN W. LONG, 604 N. Eighth Street, Vandalia, Illinois 62471 - 'I have a question in regards to a gasoline engine I am toying with to restore. I call it my 'What's It'. It has a brass plate on the rectangular oil fill tube showing the serial number, RPM 750 and 1-1/2-2-1/2 HP, no name of engine or company which manufactured it. All part numbers on the engine start with the letters GE. The spark plug hole is 1/2' iron pipe size. There was evidently some kind of spark mechanism fastened near the top of the water hopper, which was operated by a plunger from below. The gas tank, oil reservoir, crank-case and water hopper are all cast together in one single casting. The two flywheels are about 13' in diameter and are also disc, cast iron, bolt gripped to the shaft. The head is water cooled with the intake valve in it. The exhaust valve is exactly opposed, being operated by a rod from the crank end, but is in the big single casting-WHAT'S IT??'

More Help fellows - please -HOWARD T. DOUGLAS, Route 8, Box 82, Tucson, Arizona 85710 writes this message and as he puts it - 'From a new subscriber and collector, here is a word of Thanks for your efforts in G.E.M. I enjoy it very much.

I have two engines - one is an 8 HP Fairbanks Morse N, in poor condition and the second one is an unknown make that I would like help in identifying. See the enclosed picture. S/N 48469. All parts are identified with W numbers. The major castings are: the base which is the gas tank - W30, crankcase, W1; cylinder and hopper, W400; head - W50. It has a 4-1/4 bore and 6 1/16 stroke with 26-1/2 X 2 flywheels on a 1-1/2 shaft. It is a hit and miss with a lever for speed adjustment, has an igniter with battery and coil ignition and also has a fuel pump.

I surely would appreciate any help in identification.

LESTER SOMMERFELD, Box 84, Canton, Kansas 67428 wishes to thank all those who write to G.E.M. and help with answers on unknown engines. AND he has a plea for help. He says he has a Fairbanks upright Eclipse without fuel tank ignition system and governor weight. He would like to hear from someone who knows about these things. He also would like to have some views on what his engine would be worth.

From WAYNE L. FISHER, Reaveley Road, Hancock, New Hampshire 03449 comes these words: 'I seem to be in need of information and your column sure seems like a good place to start. I have recently acquired what is believed to be a Model R Cletrac. The nameplate reads (Cleveland Motor Plow Co. Patent applied for, Serial No. 10Z). I need to know the colors and some info on the Buda engine. I believe this tractor was built about 1916. Any help will be greatly appreciated.'

CLIFFORD R. HESS, R.R., Anthon, Iowa 51004 cries HELP!! -'I recently acquired two old engines that have laid on a creek bank for probably forty years. They were made by the Middletown Machine Company, Middletown, Ohio, both Type K; one #6783- 400, 5' bore and 6' stroke, The other #20298-375, 6' bore and about 9' stroke. I assume the 400 and the 375 at the end of the numbers means the RPM but the plates do not say so. The larger engine is quite complete and I think I can make it run when I get the piston free. The smaller engine has the head badly broken up from freezing. Does anyone know anything about this make?'

M. BRADY BROWNE, General Delivery Lazo P.O., British Columbia, Canada VOR 2KO sends three requests for help on restorations: '1. Are there any other restorers or collectors of a Fairbanks Morse 15 HP Light Plant Model (extra heavy flywheels) of the early type. It has L.T. ignition dual fuel and water feed carburetor, 'match head starter' and weighs about 4 or 5 tons, Serial No. 185441. There are some missing parts. 2. Can anyone help with my 10-20 IHC Mogul? What was the wording on the starting gasoline tank? 3. Who is familiar with the R&P 12-20 made in Alma, Michigan in 1919?'

That about winds up the column for this time - have to tell you I went to the shore for 3 days with son, Tommy, and with daughter, Dana and her little boy, Ryan - we had a nice time even though it rained quite a bit, I got a bad case of sunburn on my midriff - and, oh yes, while there I had a shirt printed Iron-Men Album Magazine on the front and Gas Engine Magazine on the back - so if you see me at any reunion I'll have it on -there is one other like it - Gerry, editor and boss of this crew - his is tan - but you'll know who we are now that I told you this little secret. Best of luck for the rest of the summer season - hope to see some of you great folks.