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Hi! Summer's over, schools in - leaves are turning color and you can already detect that unique smell of autumn and feel the crisp-ness in the air - it's really great! I love living where we have the four seasons - even if some of us do have to battle the allergies - soon time to think of getting the Halloween costume ready for another season. Last year Tommy wanted an Uncle Sam outfit which I finally threw together - turned out pretty nice; previous years - an Indian, Santa Clause, bunny, pig, duck, horse, bum - I just wonder what will be next?? And then before you know it, we're into the Thanksgiving and Christmas Holidays - well -time really jets along - next issue will be January - February 1976 . . . as if you didn't know -I bet you're all as busy as I am - and realizing each year has a shorter amount of time than the previous year - well -at any rate enjoy the shows and meetings that are left yet and God Bless you in the remaining days of 1975.

Many of you folks have been sending in reports telling of the rainy days that were present at so many of the shows - I'm sure you had fun anyhow - BUT we know what it can do to an event -Earlene Ritzman was to have the Korn Krib

Auction Sept. 27 as many of you know and Mother Nature really unleashed the waters again and we had another big flood and the Auction had to be cancelled the day before - which really made for quite a mess - as many folks didn't know it was cancelled and came anyway - there was no place to park as the grounds were saturated and you know what it would be like in a farm field after a deluge such as that. Praise the Lord, the flood was not as bad as 1972, but it was quite tragic in areas. The auction date has been moved to November 1st, with cards being sent out to all you folks, so I'm sure by the time you read this, you'll know about it. I'm sure it will not be suitable to some people who had been here before, but you can only do the best you can when Mother Nature throws you a Flood. Earlene did respect the folks' wishes and had cards printed with directions to park in town and then she hired a bus to bring the viewers out to her place. All in all, I think it was handled as well as could be expected. We'll have a report on Auction next issue!

And onto the letters: From WALLACE TINSLEY, Route No. 10, Box 176, Anderson, South Carolina 29621 - 'I placed an ad in Gas Engine Magazine a couple of issues back about wanting to hear from someone about a carburetor for a Rockford engine which carries a type carburetor that fits other make engines and is pictured on page 23, bottom left of page, in May-June 1972 G.E.M. I did not get a reply, so I thought maybe someone could still help me. This is a very rare engine. A Mr. Carpenter in Iowa said there were only 4 or 5 in U.S.A. that he knew about.

Also I would like any information on a Model V Ideal motor I have.

We have a few engines in this part of South Carolina and have been showing them in Historic Pendleton, S. C. park the last two years without any cost to people. I have about eighteen. There were not very many engines sold down there because most farms were very small in days gone by and most that were left were sold for junk during 1941 War.

We engine lovers down here would really like for someone to find some source of finding or getting magnets for Wico E-K magnetos. They could really sell a lot of them.'

A nice note from REV. GEORGE I. GOODWIN, JR., Box A, Worcester, New York 12197 -'Just want to say thanks for a great magazine. I really enjoy it. Have just started collecting gas engines. I have a 4 cyl. Continental, 4 cyl. Le Roi, 1 cyl. upright air-cooled 5 HP New Way and a 1 cyl. IHC 1-1/2 - 2-1/2 HP. Anyone have instructions for the Le Roi model XP7?' (Well, anyone???)

DON HAYER, 2570 N. 20th St., Springfield, Oregon 97477 wants some information: 'I have a 2 HP Economy, 4' bore, 6' stroke and 22' flywheels. The serial number 35383. This engine still has the original paint and decals on it and is in very good mechanical condition. I would like to know the year this engine was built. I understand it was sold by Sears & Roebuck. Is this true?? (Is it Veterans?)

Some advice comes to the readers from JAMES P. STEFFY, 24 Cottonwood, Mt. Vernon, Illinois 62864 as he tells us: 'Recently I acquired a book on gas engines copyrighted in 1913. It has in it a formula for determining the approximate horsepower of any gas engine of the 4-cycle variety, single cylinder, using gasoline as a fuel. The formula was derived by examining several hundred American engines of the agricultural type and gives very good average results. Having the bore, stroke, and revolutions per minute, the formula can easily be used. D -cylinder in inches; L - stroke in inches; N - revolutions per minute: Horsepower D x D x L x N. / 16,600.

As an example, for an engine where the bore is 6 inches, the stroke 8 inches, and the speed of the running engine 400 RPM (as measured by counting cam gear RPM and multiplying by 2, or by tachometer - or by manufacturer's rating). HORSEPOWER -6 x 6 x 8 x 400 - 16,600 - 6.94 or 7 HP APPROXIMATELY.

For a 2 cycle single cylinder gas engine using gasoline as a fuel, the horsepower will be from 1.3 to 1.7 times the horsepower determined by using the formula for 4 cycle engines.

J. Rex Haver, 643 Bellefonte Avenue, Lock Haven, Pennsylvan 17745 is anxiously waiting for information as: 'In 1914 the Maytag Washing Machine Co. came out with a washer, equipped with a , upright, gasoline engine, painted red with a black cylinder. The engine was manufactured by the Elgin Wheel and Engine Company of Elgin, Illinois. I believe Elgin supplied the engines to Maytag until 1921, when Maytag bought them out. Maytag manufactured and continued to use the upright engine until 19 when they came out with Model 82.

While I was at the 1975 Williams Grove, Pa. Show, a gentleman asked me if I was interested in buying an upright Maytag, as the price was right, I bought it. When he delivered the engine to my exhibit noticed it was a very dark color. While cleaning the engine at home found it had been painted a very dark green. After scraping the paint down to bare metal, I concluded the original color was dark green.

Did Elgin Wheel & Engine Company sell these upright engines other companies, while supplying Maytag?

This would account for the green color. A hole has been drilled the cover of the gas tank, just above the gas cap. A 3/8 inch nipple with collar and plug has been screwed in. There is an air vent hole just below the collar. Can anyone tell me why the pipe is there?

The sides of the base of the gas tank are straight on this engine while on my other upright, the sides are sloping. Does this tell anything? Thank you for any assistance, all letters will be answer and a summary will be sent to G.E.M.'

Courtesy of J. Rex Haver, 643 Bellefonte Aue., Lock Haven,  Pennsylvania 17745.

I hope this will enlighten the many engine owners plagued with missing horsepower information on their engines.' (Thanks, Jim, I'll bet the folks are glad for that data). As for me - it's clear as mud!

WILLIAM J. RUNDLE, 2565 East Kleindale Road, Tucson, Arizona 85716 sends this picture along and says: 'I need some information about the engine in picture and hope some of the GEM readers can help. You have put previous questions in your 'Smoke Rings' column and I have acknowledged the answers which some reader somewhere always seems to be able to supply. The previous owner told me that it is an Economy by Sears Roebuck; also, that it never had a sub base which would have raised it up so the flywheels would clear the ground. Nothing much like it is in 1918 edition of a gasoline engine catalogue by Sears except that they used the same Lunkenheimer carburetor. Will appreciate hearing from anybody who can identify it.'

GARY J. OECHSNER, Route 1, Theresa, Wisconsin, 53091 would like any information on Northwest Gas Tractor, believe 30-60 or 40-70 HP, built around 1911 by Northwest Thresher Company, Still-water, Minnesota. Any types of information would be appreciated, data, pictures, etc. horsepower size, color scheme, number of cylinders. Northwest sold to Advance around 1911.

RAY PICHEL, Route 1, Heller-town, Pennsylvania 18055 has a letter as: 'Found a Deutz-Otto Diesel, one cylinder, hopper cooled, solid flywheels. Would like to correspond with anyone who has one or had worked with one. Seems simple to start, however I haven't tried anything with it yet.'

A newcomer, JAMES M. 'MIKE' POWERS, 309 Cabin Road S.E., Vienna, Virginia 22180 writes: 'Mr. Robert Tone, also of Vienna, was kind enough to lend me a copy of your May-June 1975 issue. Because of him and your publication, I attended the Williams Grove, Pennsylvania, Steam Engine Celebration and bought my first gas engine - a Stover. Now, I am starting the search for literature, photos, anything that will show me what my machine should look like, what color it was and when was it manufactured? Perhaps your readers will be kind enough to help me.' (I hope so, Mike. Help him out Fellas!)

WILLIAM R. COLE, Box 358, East Otis, Massachusetts tells us: 'I have been getting G.E.M. since 1973 and look forward to each copy. I am looking for some help on a Novo engine Model RF 3-1/4 x 5, engine number 4022. I would like to know the ignition timing, how many quarts of oil in the crank-case, and what type of carburetion it had.' (There you are Friends, lots of questions).

A man with a problem writes to the readers: 'I have a 2 HP Lauson engine built in the 40s, Model #TLC-349, Serial #4-61904. I have had this engine for many years and realize this is quite a new engine when you compare it to most of the engines discussed in G.E.M., but I wonder if someone could possibly give me some help on getting it running again. My problem - the thing will not generate enough spark to arc across the spark plug. I have done about everything possible, new coil, new plug, new wires, etc. I even tried having the magnets remagnetized, which did not seem to make a difference. The timing is correct and all components seem to check out when tested such as coil, plug, etc.

A couple of small engine mechanics in our local area seem to think the only thing left to do would be to replace the flywheel for one that has stronger magnets. Naturally, there is not a new flywheel in the country, plus I can't locate a used engine that I can purchase - fact of matter, I have never seen another engine like this one. My reason for getting the engine running again is that I put a lot of effort into completely rebuilding this engine. Please, can anybody help me?? I will answer all letters.

DAVID D. MOFFITT, 225 Adams Street, Leslie, Michigan 49251 has a plea: 'I have a Pine Tree Milker Engine of about 2 HP, vertical hopper-cooled cylinder, throttle governor, Wico EK fired. It has single flywheel on left side and a vacuum pump built into right side of engine block assembly. This engine has a picture of a pine tree with a cow under it with the caption (The cows adopted child). The engine starts and runs very well. I would like to know when, where and how many were built, and to hear from anyone with a similar engine.'

J. KENDALL, 262-01 Francis Lewis Blvd., Rosedale, Queens, New York 11422 writes: 'Answering an inquiry from Ben Cantele, Mellenville, New York concerning Maynard engines - one of your recent magazines makes mention of this engine, but bears repetition. Maynard engines were sold by Chas. William stores to buyers in New York area. Company had a catalogue, now reprinted, believe these engines similar to and possibly made by Nelson Bros., manufacturers of Little Jumbo.'

WAYNE F. HALSEY, 541 Wisconsin Avenue, N. Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin 54935 is seeking information concerning the Hippe-Steiner and Steiner long life gas engine companies of Chilton and Plymouth, Wisconsin. If you have any data, please write him.

MAURY H. MOSES, Box 148, Military Drive, Chatham, Virginia 24531 is interested in knowing of anyone who has an Ottawa gas engine powered log and tree saw. He would like any information on them. He said he used to have one directly from the factory in 1949 with the 5 HP water cooled engine. It was a good performing machine, but he had the misfortune of losing it in an out building fire which totally destroyed it. (Please write him if you have the same interest).

A new member of our Gas Engine Family writes - his name -CHRISTOPHER BOOKER, Star Route, Box 7, Macks Creek, Missouri 65786 - his letter - 'I received my first copy of Gas Engine Magazine, Sept.-Oct. 75. I think your magazine is great! Saturday, Sept. 20 I went to a farm auction about 75 miles from here as they had a 3 HP Fairbanks - Morse gas engine listed on sale bill. However, I was let down at the condition of it and it brought twice what I figured it was worth. The reason I'm explaining this is that I met about 100 Gas Engine men there, plus 2 women who bid on the above engine and most of them claimed they subscribe to G.E.M. and I was telling one I would like to get a 1-1/2 HP John Deere and on my way home I stopped and saw one and purchased same. I don't know if you keep records of this or not, but mine is a John Deere 1-1/2 HP, 600 RPM, Type E, Serial No. 320904. Thanks again for this good magazine!' (And thank you for writing us - you can tell that is another one bitten by the gas bug -and I presume a very happy fellow - just beginning his hobby).

And speaking of hobbies - some people collect buttons, I mean the pin back kind, just like some of you folks send me now and then from the reunions of your shows, etc. Well, there's a fellow, name of TED HAKE, 1753 Westwood Rd., York, Pa. 17403 has a book out called 'The Button Book' - all kind of things in there - steam engines, tractors, farm equipment, wars, politics, comics, holidays, everything. His book lists over 5000 buttons. Just thought this was worth passing on to our Family. The book is $5.95.

DONALD K. KILEN, Route 3, Box 315A, Tiffin, Ohio 44883 has just obtained a Fairbanks - Morse Eclipse - 2, serial number B10595 and would like someone to send him some information on it. He is very new at gas engines as a hobby and it seems other collectors in his area are few and far between. So far, he has found no material on his engine. (He is eagerly waiting for some words on his new hobby -here is a newcomer to turn into a veteran - do your stuff - you great guys).

Here's a friend that needs help -he's not a subscriber of ours (YET) but he needs help and I know we'll come to his aid. FRANK A. DORSEY, 19 Westmoreland St., Westminster, Maryland 21157, tells it this way - 'During the Arcadia Steam Show, it was my privilege to talk to Mr. Harry J. Pearce of Elkton, Maryland and he told me about the magazine you published. I am preparing a paper for our County Bicentennial on early implements and tools used in early times.

What I would like to find out about is a tractor that was made by the Moline Machine Co. about 1915 that could be used for cultivation. This, I believe, was the first motorized cultivator sold in our territory and was sold by Mr. George Sauble of Taynetown, Maryland. If you know of one of these tractors or have a picture of one, I would like to obtain it to include in our book we are preparing.' (I'm sure there is someone who will help Frank - and the bicentennial book will be more complete ).

PHILIP RUBIDA, Box 494, Platte, South Dakota 57369 writes us: 'I have received my Sept.-Oct. magazine and I always look forward to it. I have noticed on page 31 the drawing on ingenious device for a gas engine. As I can see it, that just shorts out the battery with a none vibrator coil. With a vibrator coil like a Model T, it is not wired right. I am sending a drawing, not as an artist. It is just to show how I would wire that device. I would like to hear your comments.' (Now, no feudin' Fellows, just comments, or different opinions).

DALE WRIGHT, 4260 E. 8th Ct., Hialeah, Florida 33013 visits with this note: 'Here I come again asking for help with another unknown. I've tried on my own with letters and photos. Everyone says - Smoke Rings in G.E.M. is your only hope - the readers responded to my earlier request -hope you will be able to come to my aid again. Thanks for my favorite magazine and to the GREATEST PEOPLE who read G.E.M. (Here is Dale's very good drawing of his unknown. Hope you experts out there can come to Dale's aid again -I love this - you wonderful people answer these inquiries and somehow they get the impression I am helping them - I know so little really, but I'm happy to be the liaison between you all).

You know, Gas Engine Members! I get quite a few requests for more pictures and stories from readers, asking to hear from the older men, as folks are waiting to hear of their happenings in days gone by. As Walt Townsend from McNabb, Illinois 61335 says it 'Wish more 'old timers' would share their experiences with us young bucks.' (So, sit down and write those yarns you weave at the shows - many of us are a-waiting to hear them).

HAROLD GADDYE, R.R. 2, Binbrook, Ontario, Canada LOR ICO writes: 'In reply to Dale Wright of Hialeah, Florida about the Gilson engine and where it was made - The Gilson engine was made in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. The approximate time of the manufacture of engines would be from 1900 to 1930. They were made in sizes from 3/4 HP to 15 HP. Records of the engines have not been kept by Gilson since the engine line had been discontinued, so we have to use a little imagination as well as talk to some of our elders to find out about age of engines. The Gilson plant still makes refrigerators and washing machines, also other small articles.

In their days, they made a good line of farm machinery, silos, stable equipment, drag saws - to name a few. The Gilson engines were never made in the vertical models, but made a good horizontal engine from beginning to the end. In this area, the engines are fairly common, particularly in the smaller sizes up to 3 HP as they were used for orchard sprayers and pumping.'

Following is a letter from PHILIP DE JARLAIS, 620 Dayton Road, Champlin, Minnesota 55316:

Thanks to all of you at GEM, I found out all about my Coldwell engine. You printed my plea for help on page 19 of the September-October issue and two days after I got my copy, a letter came from Mr. Joseph Mercer of Hookstown, Pa. telling me all about my engine. A copy of his letter is attached.

You will note that the Smithsonian Institution was no help and I have sent the information to them with the hope that it will be on file for someone else.

In answer to my inquiry, the Robert Bosch Corporation queried their Stuttgart archives and came up with a copy of the manual for the DU 2 Bosch magneto used on the Coldwell engine. I have forwarded a copy of the manual to Mr. Mercer as he is having magneto problems.

I am a member of the Early Day Gas Engine and Tractor Association Chapter 12, Anoka, Minnesota, sponsors of the Rogers Engine Show. The article titled 'Interstate 94' on page 26 of this same issue was an excellent article by Walt Dehn. The show was held on one of his farms with lots of parking space and fine large shade trees.

I surely appreciate all the help from GEM and Mr. Mercer. A copy of this letter is being sent to Helen Ament along with my renewal check. I don't want to miss an issue of GEM.

Continuing on with reference to the above paragraphs I'm going to print the letter from Joseph A. Mercer, R.D. 1, Box 110, Hooks-town, Pa. 15050 which he sent to Philip - thought you might like to see how some of these answers come in to the folks:

I saw your letter in the Gas Engine Magazine. I have one of those engines. Name plate is on the cover plate that is part of the oil filler tube. It reads Continental Motor No. 5889 Type 5B Date 3-11-13. Continental Motor Mfg. Co., Muskegon, Mich. U.S.A. This is a marine engine. This one was used on the Ohio River and later used to run a cordwood saw. The Magneto is defective. Back in the early forties I put a Model T timer and 2 coils and Battery on it and had it running. The timer can be attached to the short shaft, extension of the camshaft, that sticks out of the gear case.

I will enclose a tracing of the name plate.

I will also include a flyer of our show. It will probably be too late by the time you get it.

I have four of those Bouvard & Seyfang engines that George Kas-dorf, Sr. speaks about on page 6 Sept. & Oct. issue of G.E.M. I hope the above is the information you want.

And to go on further - the following is from the Robert Bosch Corporation, Broadview, Illinois, Automotive Service Department, Edward C. Regal, Warranty Coordinator - this letter to Philip DeJarlais:

A 12 HP Economy engine owned by Curtis Kiser, Harrisonburg, Virginia exhibited at Bridgewater Vol. Fire Co., Steam & Gas Meet, Bridgewater, Virginia. Photo by Charles Clemmer, Dayton, Virginia.

Robert Early, at left and Jim Suter, at right, of Pleasant Valley, Va. are the proud owners of this Star tractor, exhibited at Bridgewater Vol. Fire Co. Meet. Photo by Charles Clemmer, Dayton, Virginia.

We have received your letter requesting information on the Bosch DU2 Magneto Ignition System found on your Caldwell marine engine. As we had no information in our files on this magneto, we have asked our Central Historical Archives in Stuttgart for the required data. We are pleased to send you a copy of the booklet received from them. We believe that most of the information requested by you is to be found in this copy, although we regret that spare parts are generally no longer available for this unit. Through careful investigation and assessment of any defective parts in the unit possessed by you, we believe that any properly equipped machine shop should be able to manufacture or recondition any of the components in your magneto unit.

Again, we trust that this information will be of assistance to you in your rebuilding project. If you have any further questions or requests for information, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thank you for your interest in products of the Robert Bosch Corporation.

And finally, the reply to the letter Philip had sent to the Smithsonian Institution; The National Museum of History and Technology, Washington, D.C. 20560:

With reference to your inquiry about the engine bearing the inscription Coldwell, we regret that we have been unable to develop any information about the manufacturer thereof. We have checked Moody's for the period 1900-1920 without success.

I doubt if it was a marine engine. Perhaps it was used, as part of a combine or other agricultural machine. The broad, wide wooden take-off pulley would seem to indicate a flat belt drive.

I regret that I can offer you no positive information.

This 20-40 HP Oil Pull exhibited at Bridgewater Vol. Fire Co. Steam & Gas Meet by Carlton Shickel, Bridgewater, Virginia. Carlton's Father and Grandfather formerly owned this Oil Pull. Photo by Charles Clemmer, Dayton, Virginia.

John Deere [AR] owned by Robert Burkholder, Mt. Crawford, Va. Harold Burkholder at the controls at Bridgewater Vol. Fire Co. Steam & Gas Meet. Photo by Charles Clemmer, Dayton, Virginia.

Perhaps I need not have recorded all the above correspondence, but Philip sent it to me and it was so well organized - I thought I worthwhile to pass it on and I'm sure most of you would appreciate it. And even though Smithsonian Institution could not be of much help, I liked their reply and I'm sure they will appreciate Philip sending them the data he received. It is a good example of what happens through this column and the avenues people explore in seeking information.

It's Holiday time and before you get too involved in the festivities of the season, may I remind you -take care or after the holidays you will be behind on your bills and way ahead on calories - now don't say I didn't warn you.

Also as you head for the Holidays and the New Year, I'd like to leave you with this: Pray for great things, Expect great things, Work for great things, But above all, PRAY!-Reuben Archer, Torrey.

Maynard engine and saw exhibited by Bobby Shank of Bridge-water, Va. at the Bridgewater Steam and Gas Meet. Photo by Charles Clemmer, Dayton, Virginia

Dale Hollen, Mt. Crawford, Virginia at the controls of his 27-44 Twin City, exhibited at Bridgewater Meet. Photo by Charles Clemmer, Dayton, Virginia.