An inquiry for help comes from F. C. WATTS, 83 Gordon Street, Ormiston, Queensland 4163 Australia: 'I am restoring a small 32 volt Delco-Light generator No. 289128 which has a Delco Start motor no. 337-8508. None of the reprints I have carry this model. The engine runs fine but I wonder if your readers could give me any information as the model number would be a great start.'
I must again tell you folks-when you write me a letter for the column, remember I cannot mention any article, part, books, etc. unless it is also in the classified ads. The column is a medium for advice, aids, information or just correspondence between the Gas Engine Family and may not be used as advertising. I'm sure if you think about it, you will understand this would not be fair to our advertisers, nor to us as we need our ads to help us keep the magazine going.'
ROBERT C. NOLAND, 2718 Cr. 120, Craig, Colorado 81625 writes: 'I found most of a Waterloo Boy tractor. Somebody cut the front out but most of the major parts are there. I would like to correspond with someone that could help. See ad in Wanted Ads.'
A new subscriber finds our magazine informative and helpful and would now like to call on the knowledge and experience of the readers: 'I have, what I am satisfied to believe is a 1 HP Titan engine. I have also been told it is a Famous. By magazines and pictures, I could see a small difference in the thickness of the heads, and feel it is a Titan. Did the Titan 1 HP engine have a serial number? I have found numbers like G7637 on the cylinder side and G6526 on the top of the base and other numbers that I feel are parts or casting numbers. Could anyone tell if it had a serial number and possibly what year of manufacture?
It is a horizontal water-hopper with ignitor and battery coil ignition. Bore is 35/8' x 4' stroke and a brass connecting rod.
Many of us would like to hear from someone who has been in this position, as we have extremely limited funds to put into our hobby and cannot afford the help offered by dealers. We are counting on receiving tips that may help us out.' Write JIMMY G. JONES, 620 Locust Street, Carrollton, Illinois 62016.
Seeking answers on several questions, this letter comes from KENT HOGE, Route 3, Box 779, Tazewall, Virginia 24651: 'I have enjoyed your Smoke Rings for years and now need some help from the readers. As I have appreciated and have learned more from those who send in information, than those who ask for help; so I will compile the information I received from this request and send it in for a future issue.
I have a 20 HP Famous or Victor International engine. It sets horizontally on a cast iron base, has a Webster Tripolar mag and hot tube ignition. The tag with the serial number is gone, but on top of the cylinder near the head I find the number C409E. Will someone please send me a picture or tracing of the tag? I need to know in detail the color, pin striping, decals and age of this engine.
For a 12 HP E Economy, serial number 196499, I would like to know the date of manufacture. Also, when did Economy change their decals from script to propeller.
For a Fairbanks Morse, model 32D14, 70 HP, 300 rpm, style Va. What is the age and any other information available?
I am interested in operating an engine on coal dust or smoke. Can anyone tell me how?'
Next letter is self-explanatory as CHARLES SANDERSON, 218 Elmwood Road, Lunenburg, Massachusetts 01462 writes: 'Need Help! I have a model A type C air-cooled upright New Way, serial number 3086 and am looking for striping and pattern design for all four sides of the crankcase. These patterns appear to be sprigs of wheat, not the floral design. Any help would be appreciated.'
A challenge to the readers comes from ED F. EDWARDS, P.O. Box 197, Big Bend, California 96011: 'Enclosed find picture of an old ? air compressor that I acquired about two years ago. I was told that it was used to pump fresh (breathable) air into an old gold mine in Shasta County in northern California and was powered by a 12 HP Fairbanks Morse engine. It is a crosshead type and there are no casting numbers on it except for 25184 on the main bearing caps and no nameplate. Both connecting rods are on each side of the 5 foot flywheel run off an eccentric. Let's see if any of the collectors out there can identify this as far as manufacturer and the original color and the approximate year it was built.
I would like to thank everyone for all the help they have given to me in the past in Smoke Rings.'
Can you furnish any help in locating information for this engine?' asks MACON MORGAN, R.R. 1, Box 177, Fairbanks, Indiana 47849. Phone 812-394-2325. 'It is a gasoline engine manufactured by Nelson Bros. Co. The engine is a single cylinder, air-cooled, ? HP at 1450 rpm, 2?' bore and 2?' stroke, S/N is 2VAG3867.'
A new member to our family writes: 'I have just received my second issue of GEM. I might get enough information to solve my problem,' comments DAVE PETERSON, Route 2, Box 349, Three Rivers, Michigan 49093.
I have an air-cooled Nelson Brothers engine, 1? HP, S.N. 2VCG2321, manufactured in Saginaw, Michigan. I need ignition information such as point setting, magnet polariety, type condenser, etc. Help appreciated.'
Another satisfied customer writes: 'I just had to tell you how much I enjoy your magazine. It is the only publication that I receive that I can't put down until I read it from cover to cover,' says RALPH R. LOOK, 8006 Watson Lane, Wichita, Kansas 67207. 'Old engine restoration is a very recent hobby that I have become interested in, and I have a lot of fun with it. Many of the engines being restored now, I can remember using, or at least was around while they were being used.
The extent of my collection is two Maytag twins, which I have one operating, an International Model L. A. of 1937 vintage and a Wisconsin Model A.K. The Wisconsin has a lot of history for me, as my father purchased it around 1947, when we were building a new house. It powered a large table saw, air compressor, cup type elevator in a grainery, a grain auger, and finally would up on a baled hay elevator.
My father sold part of his farm about ten years ago, and let the bale elevator go with the place. The fellow who bought the place, used the elevator several years, and changed to stacking hay with Heston equipment. The elevator was left out in a hay field for several years, and the engine really took a beating. Some kids shot the fuel tank off of it with a 12-gauge shotgun, and being out in the weather, rust took its toll. It was stuck. The owner intended to fix it up, but in the meantime, found another engine and decided not to spend the time to fix it up. I asked him what he wanted for it, and he told me to take it if I wanted it.
I brought it home, tore it down, cleaned it up, put a different tank on it, painted it and have it running again. It is a real pleasure to hear something come back to life that you ran when a kid. So you can see that I am really hooked on the hobby.
My hometown of Stockton, Kansas started having an antique engine show three years ago, and it has truly been amazing the way it has grown in size and quality. I didn't realize that there were so many restored machines around this part of the country.'
DENNIS BACON, Psc Box 5946, Myrtle Beach, AFB, South Carolina 29577 encloses a photo hoping you can help identify his engine. It is a two cycle because it fires on each revolution and it runs at approximately 300 rpm. He cannot find a serial number or name tag.
He also has a 6 HP Stover S.N. KC 149819 and would like to know what year the engine was built and the original color. He also has a Fairbanks Morse Type Y, 75 HP, 300 rpm and anything about this engine would be appreciated.'
HELP!-calls BENJAMIN COREY, 3650 Green Corners Road, Metamora, Michigan 48455. 'I have acquired a 1? HP air-cooled Jumbo #5338 engine, and it is not complete. I would like to correspond with owners of the same, hoping to receive help in restoration. Please write.'
BOB SEELEY, R.R. 3, Box 176, Warrensburg, Missouri 64093 sends this: 'I have recently acquired a Taylor vacuum engine, manufactured by the Taylor Engine Company, Elgin, Illinois. It is a 1? HP, S.N. 10159 and can be used as a gas engine or a vacuum engine. It has an odd piston of two diameters. It's frozen, so I can't imagine what it looks like. The mag is missing and a sideshaft guide bracket is missing. I need information on the type of mag, and mag mounting arrangement and the piston assembly, so I can figure out how to get it out without breaking something. History, mfg. date and color are also needed.'
By the way Gas Engine Family members, we really appreciate your comments-both congratulatory and constructive; it makes us want to do better all the time to please you in every way we can. Here comes a letter from DON JANDEBEUR, 164 Warwick Avenue, San Leandro, California 94577 and he begins with a nice remark: 'God bless you and all the fine people associated with the publication of GEM. It is a great magazine and it surely fills a need for all of us engine collectors.
I have a few questions that I would like to present to fellow tired iron nuts like myself. I recently acquired through a trade (thanks to GEM) a nice showpiece of which I know very little. It is a one cylinder, water-cooled, 2 cycle upright marine engine. The name on the flywheel states that it is 4 HP Nadler, manufactured by the Nadler Foundry and Machine Company, Plaquemine, LA #2031. Would like any information as to vintage and quantity produced from other owners or anyone having knowledge of this engine.
My second question deals with a 4 HP Ottawa log saw engine #6098. It has 2 flywheels and does not appear to have been a drag saw engine. I've researched the past 12 years of this magazine and find little mention of this model. How many of you guys own one? I'd appreciate hearing from you as to original ignition etc. My latest fascination is a Crosley steam whistle which has had the entire top or chime broken off and disposed of sometime in the dim past. The vibrator plate is about 8?' in diameter and the base is solid brass. Probably used on a tug boat in the San Francisco Bay. Would like to correspond with other collectors willing to make a pattern of missing chime. All letters will be promptly answered.'
JOE ROLWING, Route 4, Mimosa Drive, Louisville, Tennessee 37777 requests the readers to send all information available on his recently acquired early 'Farrow'(Furrow) inboard 2 cycle, 3 port intake, 2 port exhaust, 3?' x 4' bore and stroke inboard maring engine. It used to belong to his great uncle who used to fish the Mississippi River around Cairo, Illinois.
Looking to the readers for an answer, this letter comes from JOHN T. WILKINSON, JR., 13 Hollow Road, Wilbraham, Massachusetts 01095. 'I recently purchased a 2 HP Novo, engine no. 28330 and I'm looking for information regarding the age and also data about the Novo Engine Company. In the deal, I gained a Fuller & Johnson engine no Z188. Would you know the age and anything on the company?'
No blue Mondays after reading this complimentary message from BOBBY EATON, Ethelsville, Alabama 35461: 'I have enjoyed every issue since my first one a year ago. Your magazine has already paid for itself. I have answered many ads dealing with tractor manuals and some with restoring complete engines. I agree with Mr. Bill Obernotte, Chateau, Montana, Jan.-Feb. 1981, that it is a thrill to hear an engine 'talk back to you' after 20 or 30 years of remaining idle.
I also have restored an IHC Farmall F-20. I live on a farm and use 19 IHC Farmall H and M tractors and also the F-20. My father and I rebuild our own tractors, but parts are hard to find, almost impossible for the F-20. But, through your magazine and ads we will continue farming with these tractors for a long time. Thanks again for a great magazine.'
A note comes from IMANUEL JACOBSON, R.D. 3, Valley City, North Dakota 58072 as he inquires about-'This is in regard to our Latin American countries and South American neighbors to the South- Does anyone ever hear about reunions of any kind in connection with agriculture of the past? Argentina is a great grain and wheat country and has been known to import all their machinery, and perhaps from Germany and England- maybe those people don't enjoy life or do they?'
JOHN J. LEVORA, Route 2, Box 240, Bangor, Michigan 49013 comments: 'I have 2 Emerson Brantingham Model U engines, a 1? HP and 8 HP. Both are missing parts-or information about them. Are they the newer owners of National Engine Company of Rockford, Illinois?'
ERVIN MARTIN, 7969 Fulton Road, Sterling, Ohio 44276 has an engine with no name on it, but it does have a tag that states: Engine 195346 RPM 350, HP 7 EK. He would like to know the name of engine and how old. He also has a Silver King tractor, model 42, S.N. 6209. It is a row crop type with one wheel in front. He would like to know the age of this one also.
A newcomer to the GEM and an avid lover of flywheel engines, HARRY L. COOK, 504 Walton Street, Wilson, North Carolina 27893 writes: 'I'm new to this sport, but I have collected six hit and miss engines and one Delco light plant since last October. I've grown very fond of Fuller and Johnson engines, too. I am green at this hobby, but I've met some outstanding people who are so willing to help me get the answers I'm seeking. I'd like to hear from other collectors and I would like to know the original shade of green that was used on the Fuller & Johnson engines. I would like to know the part number and who makes this paint. God bless you all!' (Thanks Harry and the same to you.)
LEONARD IBACH, Box 160 Keystone Route, Rapid City, South Dakota 57701 sends this note and awaits your answer: 'Recently I purchased this Vaughan 4 HP log saw. The brass tag on engine states Vaughan Motor Works, Portland, Oregon, engine no. 4495, 4 HP, Pat. Mar. 15, 1905, Pat. Dec. 21, 1915. It looks to be all complete, except the wood construction that everything was mounted on is badly rotted and missing. I need to hear from anyone that knows the dimensions of all the wood construction. I think it was a stationary outfit, but maybe it had wheels under it. Is this company still in business?'
'I know this is a tall order, but I'd like to get my engine running by summer and so I must find out this information,' writes HOWARD HOUCK, R.D. 1, Galaway Road, Ballston Spa, New York 12010.
He continues, 'I have an upright 1? HP Regal #552 by Regal Gasoline Engine Company of Coldwater, Michigan. It looks to be dark green and has a sparkplug on top and an altered governor and drive gears. I would like to know the color with striping pattern, water tank arrangement and size and a diagram or picture of governor and drive gears mechanism. Also the year made and something about the company.' (That is a tall order, but many of our experts can fill orders like that by answering all those inquiries, so watch the mails.)
JOSEPH J. ENGLERT, 3825, Walworth, New York 14568 needs help. He says, 'I have equipment made by Shoemaker Automotive Equipment, Freeport, Illinois, model D. It is used for boring the babbitt bearings in connecting rods in engine. These folks are out of business. I thought I could make contact through Smoke Rings as I need drawings or photos, or see someone who has one of these machines. Your March-April magazine was one of the best issues ever.'
Here is some information for many of you folks, comes from HOWARD F. STEINER, 307 Bluebird Lane, Folsom, California 95630: 'In the Jan.-Feb. issue of GEM, page 14, Mr. Carl Bogarders asks for help in repairing a crack in the water jacket of his Witte engine. Enclosed is my answer to Carl, but perhaps others can use this information so I am sending it along.
I have a copy of the White Farm Equipment Company's q2Progress, Hart Parr From 1898-Charles City Plant - Oliver Corporation. The last two pages list the tractor models, years they were made and the serial numbers for each year to 1965 up. Following is the arorementioned information:
JUST A REMINDER OF BY-GONE DAYS-REPAIRING CRACKS IN CAST IRON
In the late 30's, I think it was the K W company that put out a kit for repairing cracks in cast iron by what they called 'sewing.' The kit consisted of two drills, two taps, some #6 and #8 iron wire rods, some iron cement and if ordered, a pneumatic peening hammer. The procedure was as follows: With a cape chisel, cut a narrow, shallow groove along the top of the crack. Drill a hole at each end of the crack, size depending upon the thickness of the casting. Tap the hole in the casting, and thread the rod so that it will just go through the casting and tighten. Put the cement on the rod before screwing it into the hole. Next drill 'X' holes in which one leg of the 'X', screws into the end post. After the 'X' holes are tapped and the rods screwed into the holes, other posts are set in, which tie into the other leg of the 'X.' This is done the length of the crack. As each rod is tightened in place, it should be cut off at about 1/16th inch above the casting.
When the crack has been tied off, fill the extending rods with cement and then peen them into the groove so that a solid iron core fills the crack. If desired, the surplus can be removed to leave a smooth surface. If painted, the repair will not be noticed.
The taps generally used are #6-36 and 8-36 and the wire rods are #6 and 8 B & S gauge.
I have repaired cracks in the valve seats of the larger engines by this method when parts were hard to get.
Another repair we used to make was filling the scores in cylinders, made by wrist pins, was with solder. In such work, the score was cleaned thoroughly of oils, and scraped to the bare metal. From the drug store we got a few crystals of sulphide of copper. By wetting the crystal and the groove, then rubbing the crystal in the groove, a copper plating could be made. Then, to the usual soldering acid, add one quarter teaspoonful of salammoniac to two ounces of acid, and use as a flux with half-and-half solder. Cuprous oxide can also be used as a flux.
We made our own scrapers to smooth the solder to conform to the cylinder wall. Of course, wages were not what prevented the customer from paying for this time-consuming work. But even with high wages, when restoring equipment, this may not be most important, when replacement parts are not to be found.'
One of our newest members writes and needs some help from our more seasoned enthusiasts. IRVIN E. STOWELL, Canton, New York 13617 says: 'I recently started getting the GEM and look forward to each issue. I am very interested in the many different kinds of gas engines that are shown. I am writing for information concerning my engine. I have an Associated 2? HP. S.N. 513152 or 518152. The third number is not very clear. I would like to know the year of manufacture and what type of color schemes and paint design the company used on it, if any. I found this engine on a rock pile in a field in 1978 and it took me until October 1980 soaking, tapping and pampering that thing to get the piston loosened up. It sure is interesting work.'
A plug for the magazine and hoping to get some data, this writing comes from O. CHARLES DODGE, 994 Sherwood Forest Road, Annapolis, Maryland 21401: 'First of all I want to say how great your magazine is. I have bought two engines through ads in GEM and found the sellers to be persons of high integrity and even though I will probably never meet them, if they lived next door I know we would be friends. GEM is the kind of magazine that takes days to read and with every issue I read about new and different engines.
I am seeking information from anyone about the Highway Trailer Company of Edgerton, Wisconsin. They made a winch that is used in my 1937 Ford 1? T truck. The truck weas used by the C and P Telephone Company in this area. They also made the special body which held the tools and parts that the telephone men would use. The data on the winch is Type SL 12RRC-82, serial no. W 3065, Assembly Dwg. 169-A-100, order parts from issue-190-A-404. Are they still in business? I would like to know anything about the winch or the company.'
RINK MILLS, Roanoke, Indiana 46783 would like to see an article on glass tube cutting. Anyone out there care to write on this? Sent it to Smoke Rings and we'll try and get it in the magazine.'
GLEN SWENSON, 2101 Elm Street, Grand Rapids, Minnesota 55744 sends this picture and notice: 'A friend has this iron critter with the engine inside the drive wheel. I told him maybe someone-in the family-could tell us. Also, I'd like to find out about Witte manufacture dates.'
Following is a letter from JOHN SWIGART, Box 4412, Auburn Heights, Michigan 48057-read it and perhaps you can help with this project.
'A friend of mine is working on a very interesting engine and while he is taking care of the mechanical end of it, I thought I would write to you and see if we could get some help from your readers to identify the engine and get some background.
If we can get a story together from your readers, I'd like to write an article complete with photographs- I took these and I plan on taking some external shots when the engine is finished. I hope you can help us.'
John's letter continues: 'The engine has construction features which are unique and should positively identify the builder, but no one I've talked to has seen anything like it.
It looks like it might be an old inboard marine engine-two stroke cycle, single vertical cylinder, one flywheel, plunger coolant pump, igniter and induction coil. But, the timing is fixed, it has no thrust bearing, and it has a governor.
The piston and crankshaft are like nothing I've ever seen! It is a two stroke cycle engine with the mixture transfer from the crankcase taking place only through a poppet valve in the piston. The valve lift (and thus the speed) is controlled by a cam on the governor weight which slides in and out on the crankshaft throw responding to engine speed. The stem of the poppet valve extends down through a hole in the wrist pin and the upper end of the connecting rod to a spring and tappet which contacts the governor cam as the piston nears bottom dead center.
The whole engine appears to be designed and built with a degree of sophistication which is quite different from most engines of that age. There are no part numbers of patent numbers evident anywhere. It was a very expensive engine to build and sell which explains why its unknown, but this engine has seen some work and still is in pretty good shape. If we only knew what to call it.'
CLARENCE AND LEE CRISWELL would like to remind you of their search for John Deere serial numbers. Please read boxed material below.
One of our faithful contributors writes with pride and sends a picture of a very important little lady, as GEORGE S. CLARK, 254 Pond Point Avenue, Milford, Connecticut 06460 pens this: 'It has been quite awhile since I've sent anything in so I am taking this opportunity to send a picture of my granddaughter having a good time on the dog-powered tread mill-who says you can't have fun on a tread mill? I collect many things besides engines and this tread mill is one of my latest finds.
I have renewed GEM for several years now and I still eagerly look forward to getting the magazine. Without a doubt, it is the best one out-keep up the good work.
I also collect early Scientific American magazines and in a July 1889 issue was the following note. I thought you might like it. Someone has said that a man never realizes how much free valuable advice his neighbors have to give away until he announces his intention to build a new house-how true!'
And that about winds it up for this time, my friends, take care and have an enjoyable summer coming up. Remember-each day we can say- This is the day that the Lord hath made, we will rejoice and be glad in it. And remember a smooth sea never made a skillful sailor. Remember that.
American ends with I Can. Providence sends food for the birds, but does not throw it in his nest. Genuinely and with Love.