Hi to all you wonderful people in the G.E.M. family - it's time to get this magazine to the printers again, and right now, I'm feeling pretty horrible - I have a bad cold and all that goes with it - the sore throat, and congestion moving down into the chest - but I'm praising the Lord any how - you know God tells us in his word to give Thanks in all things, and I must say I am just learning how to do that - no matter what comes, Praise God anyhow - there is a reason for whatever is happening - it's helping you grow spiritually. Of course you realize, many problems are brought on by our own disobedience to God by not caring for our bodies as he would have us do - think about it! A thought came to me though through this cold - wouldn't it be wonderful if we could spread Christian Love as easily as we do the common cold? How about that - wouldn't that be great? And then if it would only last! Oh well, it's a beautiful thought, but I've got to get on with the letters.
FRED BURKHARDT, JR., Route 3, Box 136, Robstown, Texas 78380 writes: 'I have been receiving G.E.M. for almost a year and enjoy it very much. I am hoping someone can help me with a one cylinder Fairbanks Morse Z. It is a 3 HP, 450 RPM, has throttling governor, breaker point type igniter, and a gear driven Sumter Electric Co. magneto from Chicago, Illinois.
I bought a new set of piston rings that according to the S.N. the rings I got are correct, they fit the piston and groove, but the 2nd and 3rd piston grooves have a lug or pin imbeded to keep the rings from turning. The old rings are angle cut and have a notch cut in one side where they come together. This is on the bottom side of the piston. The new rings are straight cut and have no notch. Should I file out the lug in the piston groove or try to file a notch in the new rings? What is the reason for the lugs?' (Help him out fellows - I can present the problems, but I can't give the answers.)
Many of you folks have been asking about the cookbooks and how to get one and etc. Don't worry, when they are available, well have them advertised, but that won't be for a long time yet. If you are interested in sending a recipe in, pick out a favorite or up to three recipes, but no more than that from one person and well see if we can find a place in the book for them.
ROBERT P. WEIS, Box 668, Mount Hermon, Massachusetts 01354 is still looking for help on his Sandwich baler. He has a 1923 Sandwich Hay Press with a Big Six Kerosene engine which he is restoring. He had run an ad in our GEM asking for literature on this machine to buy or borrow and he has had no answers - How about it? He would like to hear from you.
We're happy to welcome another new club under the name of Mammoth Cave Antique Engine and Tractor Association, Inc. of Cave City, Kentucky 42127. SYDNEY BUNNELL, President sent along a short report of how they got started:
'Our first meeting was a dinner get together at Howard Johnsons in Cave City, Ky. Feb. 20. We had over 100 people at that meeting, much interest & enthusiasm was shown. At this time plans were made to Charter the Mammoth Cave Antique Engine & Tractor Assn. Inc. This was done in accordance with the laws of The Commonwealth of Ky.
A tentative set of by laws was adopted and officers elected to be put into effect after our charter was granted March 20, 1976.
Charter memberships & certificates were issued to those taking part in the initial organization. The effective year beginning April 1, 56 Charter memberships were issued plus 6 honorary cert, one of these was issued to G.E.M. Thought that you might like it. As these are like the old engines there will be no more.
Our first Semi-Annual meeting will be held at Lonzo & Oscars park 2 miles west of Cave City. Ky. on Hwy. 70, May, 29 & 30. We plan another show in early Oct. Our members are from 5 to more than 70 & own more than 450 engines & 25 tractors.'
Good Luck to the new club and thank you for an Honorary Charter Membership for the Gas Engine Magazine - I'm sure well be hearing from you folks as your organization grows.
GERALD HAIGH, 5390 Las Llajas Canyon Road, Semi Valley, California 93065 is seeking information on the Bates Steel Mule -any of you fellows know anything -please write him. He has recently written a book called (Straw Roads) in which the Steel Mule is mentioned. He would like to know more of this engine and would appreciate pictures.
Ronald O. Smith, 1911 Harper Road, Mason, Michigan 45854 who is Secretary of Central Michigan Antique Tractor and Engine Club, Inc. says: 'Here an Neverrest Farm, our parade tractor is nearing completion, except for the painting. It is going to be something you have never seen before.'
'I am Sec.-Treas. of the Early Day Gas Engine and Tractor Assn. Branch 15. As a news item for you we are hosting the National Convention of EDGE&TA this year. It will be held on the grounds of Western Antique Power Inc. on July 30, 31 & Aug. 1. Anyone wishing information on this event please contact me. Jack Versteeg, 3935 Cooley Dr. N.E. Salem, Ore. 97303. I will send them a map of the area and other pertinent information.'
BOB HAND, 3801 Kaw Drive, Kansas City, Kansas 66102 would like to know if there are enough people to form a Gas Engine Club in Kansas City, Missouri or Kansas City, Kansas and surrounding territory. If interested, call Bob at 913-621-0750.
From J. REX HAVER, 643 Bellefont Avenue, Lock Haven, Pennsylvania 17745 sent a letter which will interest many of you readers.
'This is a report on my letter, published in the November-December G.E.M. about the upright Maytag. I received several letters from Maine to Idaho.
First about colors: Both red and green colors were mentioned as used on the Maytag Washing Machine. No one was able to tell me if one company used red and the other green. Both Maytag and Elgin sold to other customers as was shown by copies of early advertising, I received. One gentleman said he had an upright, painted olive drab. This engine, he thought had been used by the Armed Forces during World War I.
Second, about the extra pipe on the gas tank: apparently this is one of a kind. No one reported having seen one. Three possible reasons were given:
1. For more venting
2. To get more gas into the tank
3. For ease of filling the tank About the sides of the gas tank; several answers were given to this question and they all agree. The sloping sides were made by Elgin Wheel and Engine Company and the straight sides were made by Maytag. I wish to thank all who sent me letters. I appreciate your assistance very much.'
MUNRO TASKER, 814 S. Sophia Street, Homer, Michigan 49245 gives some help: 'I have an induction coil (vibrator coil) that goes with a Fairbanks-Morse Eclipse engine. The points were rusted and worn away, also the spring steel on the vibrator was cracked half the width. The coil appeared to be in good condition. So how can I repair the points?
A friend suggested using a piece of feeler gauge for the vibrator so I did just that, took a .006 feeler gauge for the spring steel, took the Platinum tips out of old lawn mower points and replaced the points very carefully. It works! I thought somebody in Gas Engine Land could use this trick. And I look forward to the next issue of G.E.M.'
ALVIN SAND A, R.R.2, Box 66, Williston, North Dakota 58801 wishes to comment: 'In regard to the question asked by Samuel Nixon, in the Jan.-Feb. issue about crown pulleys. This is what it says in the 1917 Hawkins Electrical Guide.
Belts in motion will always run to the highest side of a pulley; this is due partially to the greater speed in feet per minute developed at that point owing to the greater circumference of the pulley, and also to the effects of centrifugal force.
If, therefore, the highest sides of both pulleys be in line with each other, and the shafts of the respective pulleys be parallel to each other, there will be no tendency for the belt to leave the pulleys when once in its proper position. In order that these conditions be maintained, the belt should be no more than tight enough to prevent slipping, and the distance between the centers of the pulleys should be approximately 3.5 times the diameter of the larger one.'
MITCH MAYBORN, 3164 Whitehall, Dallas, Texas 75229, says: 'Hi Folks, I don't know how it is with you, but I have to learn some lessons the hard way. We were taking apart a Lawrence model 75B engine (this is an aircraft type, 5-cylinder air-cooled radial) and had not one, but five stuck cylinders. We tried all sorts of methods for loosening them up and since they didn't work, I won't go into it. But one did work, and it worked so slick, I thought I would pass it on to some of you guys with similar problems.
The idea is that you can use hydraulics (this is sort of what is happening with those folks who use a grease gun, only with more pressure) to (1) force a penetrating fluid into the space between cylinder, piston and rings and (2) to additionally use the hydraulic pressure to force them apart. You can't do this with valves open though and is a problem if they are stuck open.
Use an old spark .plug and weld or braze on a hydraulic fitting. Pump up the hand pump and hold the pressure. The beauty of hydraulics (as opposed to pneumatics) is that when it moves the least bit, the pressure falls to zero. Don't try this with air as you can get a real bang out of the job! It is a bit messy, but gosh, it sure removes stuck pistons. Don't worry about the internal pressure, these things hold lots more pressure than you will put on it with hydraulics - remember what the force of the mixture explosion is and you won't worry about it.
We have several old gas engines, a FM 'D', a FM Z 1-1/2 hp with a FM 3 x 3-1/2 compressor and a Myers water pump. The last items are good boat anchors right now and we'll have an opportunity to try out our 'hydraulic piston pusher' on all of them before they run again.
We are working on a collection of Menasco aircraft engines (this is our real 'thing') and have a classified ad in the back looking for them. Anna Mae (rightly so) says I have to have this and I'm glad to run it because GEM is a super magazine and deserves our support. It is in the WANTED section under MENASCO and I also list a Wisconsin engine to swap if anyone is looking for one. Good luck with your engines.'
H. T. NEAL, Jr., 1101 South 104th, Edwardsville, Kansas 66111 has a 5 HP Witte, S/N 89114 and he would like to know what color it was and what year it was made. He also has a Fairbanks Morse 2 HP Z Style D S/N 832641 - he would like to hear from you fellows if you have information for him.
GEORGE WALSLEY, 898 Olean Road, East Aurora, New York 14052 sends this nice letter: 'I am very new to the wonderful world of gas and steam. Your magazine has been a good source of information, as my feet seem to be getting wetter and wetter in the business.
I wonder if you could tell me just what was the first gas tractor built in the United States? Also, who and what was the first tractor built in this country? I hope you can help me so I can pass the information on to a group of fellows at work. Also, are there any John Deere clubs?'
HAROLD L. RETTIG, R.R. #1, Raw son, Ohio 45881 has some cordial words: 'I have a problem and maybe our friends who read the G.E.M. could help me. I am restoring a 10-20 Case (yes, that's right, a Case) gas tractor that was made from 1915 to 1918 and I would like to correspond with others who may have a tractor like this or may know someone who has one.
And then he goes on: 'It must give you a good feeling to know that you help us out here in your Reader Land with so many problems. Please keep up the good work and thanks for helping me' (Yes, it does give me a good feeling to know people are being helped through this column, but it is the other readers and gas buffs that provide the answers, as I do not know very much about the problems, but I'm happy to be the go between for the correspondence ).
And from 13 year old FRED TULL, R.R. #2, Box 51 La Moille, Illinois 61330 is a letter: 'I have a 1937 F-20 tractor with a stuck motor. I've tried everything to get it loose. Would someone help me to get it loose? I also want to know if the tractor was gray or red?'
HOWARD E. PRAY, 28 Park Lane Circle, Bettendorf, Iowa 52722 speaks out: 'I have been an engine collector for about a year and have just traded for a new engine. It is a 2 HP National and has a carburetor that is not original, nor is the ignition system.
I would like to ask the Smoke Ring readers if they can give me any information on the carburetor, fuel pump, magneto or any other things that would make this engine seem original again. The flywheels are 3 inches wide with a 24-1/2 inch diameter. The previous owner said the engine weighs about 1200 pounds. The number 604 is cast in the head and there is no nameplate or identification.
I enjoy reading the G.E.M. and the Smoke Rings. I have used some of the information in it.'
GLEE C. BERRY, 1281 First Avenue, Salinas, California 93901 says: 'I guess I have never written, other than sending in my annual check for subscriptions. This time I want to say what a wonderful magazine you have. With the price of everything going up and the work you have to do to get each issue ready, I consider your magazine a bargain.
The pictures are of my latest restoration job. I have restored a number of engines. This Stickney fascinated me more than any other engine, with the unique and wonderful engineering that went into the building of this engine.
I had help with measurements and description of some missing parts from Richard A. Ambrose, Cabot, Pennsylvania. Incidentally, you had an article about his 1 3/4 HP Stickney less than a year ago. Also received fine reprint books and other help from Richard Geyer, De Smet, S. Dakota. Many thanks to both of these folks for their help.
This is 1 3/4 HP Stickney less than a year ago. Also received fine reprint books and other help from Richard Geyer, De Smet, S.
To get back to my engine, it is Ser. No. 23108 and 1911 according to Mr. Geyer. Basically the engine was in good condition when I obtained it. Missing parts were needle valve, complete coil assembly, gas tank and cover for governor. I put a plexiglass cover over governor so people can see what brains of the engine looks like. The igniter required extensive machine work. My son works in a cabinet shop and did a wonderful job on oak skids. I spent ten months of spare time on engine. It started easily first time February 15, 19761
The igniter required extensive machine work. My son works in a cabinet shop and did a wonderful job on oak skids. I spent ten months of spare time on engine. It started easily first time February 15, 19761
R. J. HICKOK & SON, Amboy, Minnesota 56010 - a letter from R. J. tells us: 'There are a few engines in the country yet, hid back in an old shed or laying out in the grove sank down in the dirt. We found one recently behind a shed. It's a 3 HP John Deere, Moline, Illinois with the picture of a deer embossed on the sides of the water jacket. When was this engine built and how many are there left? Now, if everyone that has one will write and tell us here at Amboy, I'll write the magazine and tell them how many and they will print it. It would be very interesting to know how many and where they are.
Mr. Frank Bias at Wells, Minnesota has one, but it's the only one that we have ever seen or heard of besides ours. We would really appreciate hearing from you.'
ARMIN HELGESON, Route 1, Genoa, Wisconsin 54632 would like to know the right colors to paint his Galloway engine. Hell be thankful to anyone who can help him.'
JIM HOLBROOK, Route 1, Box 161, Arden, North Carolina 28704 is looking for someone that would help him with information on rebuilding a 4 HP International Harvester Famous engine* He would also like to know the true color of the Fairbanks Morse Z type engine. Jim is new at this collection of engines and looks forward to our magazine arrival every issue. Says he has been able to find more engines than he has money, in those mountains. He is anxious to hear from some of the North Carolina neighbors.
ALLEN R. LAVATURE, 602 W. 12th Street, Trenton, Missouri 64683 speaks out: 'I thoroughly enjoy the magazine. In my search for engines, I have met some really fine people. Am also learning that I have much to learn regarding them. I still protest of those who locate these engines and then hold them for speculation. Guess that's the way it is!
I have found a few, most from the original owners, who have supplied me with information and a few books or phamplets that came with them. I located one in a hedge row with an 8' tree growing up through skids and frame. No missing parts, and after total disassembly, sand blasting, paint, rebuilding of a few parts, it now looks, and is, like new!
I suppose only someone who feels about these engines as I do, can fully appreciate the feeling of knowing that after many years of disuse, left as junk and discarded; with love, work and patience, they fire and run as they once did. TREMENDOUS!!' (And I hear a lot of Amens to that, don't I, Fellows)?
JAMES A. SMITH, Route 1, Abbotsford, Wisconsin 54405 writes us: 'Just a note to let you know how much I enjoy the Gas Engine Magazine. I was introduced to Jim Gutenberger of Colby, Wis., and enjoyed reading all his back issues.
I would appreciate hearing from someone owning or having information on Taylor Vacuum engines made in Elgin, Illinois.
Gas engines I now own are a 2 H P Taylor Vacuum S/N 14817 and a 2-1/4 HP Galloway S/N 032669. Thank you and I am looking forward to my first issue of G.E.M.'
PAUL DAILEY, R.R. 4, Box 214, Kokomo, Indiana 46901 would like to know what is the nearest thing to a Briggs and Stratton engine - is there any make of engine similar to it? Please write him if you have an answer.
FREDERIC A. ROTHERY, 495 Mountain Road, Wilbraham, Massachusetts 01095 wishes to share this: 'I recently acquired a little air-cooled horizontal engine. It was tied to a pump on an old horse-drawn spraying rig and weighs about 260 pounds. It has a 4 inch bore and a 5 inch stroke, 18 inch 6-spoke flywheels and no name or date plate. The only identifying marks are the letters BWT cast into the lower part of the cylinder and BWS cast into the side of the engine bed. I was told that it was an Ideal vintage 1907 to 1910. If anyone knows where I could find more information on this engine, I would appreciate hearing.'
FRANK P. PFLEGL, R.D. 1, Box 7-B, Catskill, New York 12414 sent me one of the membership cards of the organization of which he is President - Hudson Mohawk Chapter, Pioneer Gas Engine Association, Inc. He thought you folks might be interested in the story printed on the back of card entitled: 'The Burgett' - These small engines ranging in horsepower from one-half to three were precisely designed and manufactured at the turn of the century in the Schoharie County Village of Middleburgh, New York, by Edward Burgett, a renowned machinist and mechanic. Burgett's designs were incorporated into patterns in the Middleburgh shop from whence they journeyed to Albany by horse and wagon for casting. Castings were then finished by Burgett to produce a machine which provided inexpensive power for water pumps, cream separators, printed presses and various light power needs. (See picture of the 1900 Burgett Gas Engine).
PAUL ANDERSON, R.R. #2, Box 143, Marseilles, Illinois 61341 tells us: 'I am the proud owner of a beautiful little 1-1/2 Economy engine. She's a fine running engine however I have two problems which I hope some G.E.M. reader might be able to help me with. First is color. I've had one person tell me he thinks orange-red is the original color, with decal lettered in pea or light green shadowed in dark green. I have also seen a dark red engine lettered in yellow. One, the other, both, or neither?
The other problem is the date. The engine, number 59462, is the type with the more squarish-shaped water hopper which some have said is earlier than the ones with the more rounded hopper. That's probably not enough info to go on but that's about all I know myself. Any venture on an approximate year?'
Had a word from ROBERT R. ELLIS, Box 87, Keedysville, Maryland 21756 who sent in his subscription, said he had just read his first copy and would like to get the magazine forever more.
Also nice words from DAVE KONZ, R.R.I, Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320 who stated: 'I am taking the time out just to express how very happy I am with your magazine. It was just a year ago now when an engine friend of mine asked me if I got your magazine. It's just too bad that I never knew about it before, because I would surely have been getting it sooner. It is the best reading I know of anywhere. When I get the magazine, I start from the front and don't quit until I've been through it word for word. I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but yours is a GREAT MAGAZINE!' (Thanks to both fellows for their lovable comments and interest.)
WM. L. CUNNINGHAM, 4335 Barker St., S.E., Washington, D.C. 20019 writes: 'I would like to hear from anyone that owns or knows anything about the 32 volt Westinghouse light plant made in the late twenties, and the 2 cylinder Onan water cooled 110 volt a.c. W2C series generating plants.'
From EARLE HUBBS, 101 Martin Grove Road, Islington, Ontario, Canada M9B 4K6 'May I say Thank You for a most informative and helpful magazine. I started to acquire and restore gas engines two years ago and have an old Bulldog engine I need information on -It is a 5-1/2' bore 6' stroke, double, spoked flywheels 26' diameter with 2 3/4' face. Crankshaft and connecting rod bearing journals are 2'. One flywheel has letters cast on it Bulldog W-4. The other has letters H & W cast on it. Number stamped on cylinder head is 16,005. Cam shaft gear is straight tooth, 52 teeth x 3/4' wide x 6 3/4' O.D. Crank shaft gear is a 13 tooth one.
I would like the following information: Where was this engine made and by whom? What is its rated horsepower? What is the speed it should run? What type of governor should it have as the governor is missing? What type of ignition was it originally equipped with? It has a make-shift ignition using a spark plug, Model T coil and battery, but suspect it was hit and miss ignition.
I would like to hear from someone with this same make of engine that I can correspond with to get more data and pictures of the original parts, if possible.'
There is a new organization that was too late to be listed in the Directory for this year, but they will hold their first show July 3, 4, 5, 1976 at the Kankakee Fairgrounds in Kankakee, Illinois and the organization is called (Thee Olde Time Farm Show). They boast 38 members and 110 gas engines as of this writing, so contact William A. Yohnka, 1080 8th Street, Kankakee, Illinois 60901 if you can give him any help or want information.
Another group that has really organized after working at it a few years is in Illinois. The letter from JIMMIE H. RUSSELL, 1001 Mc-Cambridge Avenue, Madison, Illinois 62060 as follows:
'For the past 4 years, several fellows have displayed antique tractors, engines, and farm machinery at the (Illinois) Bond County Fair. Interest in the displays and the number of participants has increased to the point that a club was organized last November. Three meetings have been held, the 3rd being an indoor 'gas-up', on Feb. 15th.
There are 55 charter members, representing 8 counties. The group selected as a name: Bond County Antique Machinery Club. The following officers were selected: President: Michael Evans of Pocahontas; Vice-President; John Anthony of Greenville; and Secretary-Treasurer; Jim Russell of Oblong and Madison.
Last year's show had over 45 antique tractors, both gas and steam. There were over 100 gas engines, and several other pieces of working machinery. All displays are under roof (except for the overflow!) and are under 24 hour guard. Being held in conjunction with the County Fair, there is the usual flea market, and 'ladies tent'. This year's show dates are August 21 to 27.
DAN BILKA, Route 2, Box 211, Glen Cove Road, Darlington, Maryland 21034 writes: 'I never knew there was such a magazine until a friend of mine outside of Arlington, Virginia told me about it - Mike Powers is his name.
As of now, I am working on two engines, one is an Economy 1-1/2 HP, on which I need more information and will appreciate anyone's help.'
From MILTON W. FOX, R.R. #1, Bicknell, Indiana 47512, this information: 'I am a new reader of GEM and think it's great. Wouldn't do without it.
Mr. Frank Manes's letter in the Jan.-Feb. issue of GEM brings my letter. As far as this writer knows, IHC did not mfg. a 18-32 tractor, however IHC did mfg. a 18-35 tractor in 1913 thru 1916.
The 22-36 tractor is really a McCormick-Deering 15-30 (22-36) tractor mfg. by International Harvester Co. McCormick-Deering 15-30: GPS-58 (4 1/2 x 6 in. Pistons) mfg. 1921-1929, Serial Nos. 112-99925, Neb. Tests Nos. 87 & 130. McCormick-Deering 15-0 \22-36]; GPS-58 (4 3/4 x 6 in. Pistons) mfg./1929 ¦1934, Serial Nos. 99926-157477, Neb. test No. 156. The motor in this tractor, I believe is a P300. The parts Catalog for this tractor is; TC-5-B, McCormick-Deering, 15-30 (4 3/4' x 6'), Gear Drive Tractor (TG 99926 M and up). F-30 [IHC); Regular & Narrow tread, the narrow tread would be about 8 ins. narrower across the rear axles like-wise the drawbar would also be 8 ins. narrower too. McCormick-Deering threshing machines; IHC, I believe, quite mfg. these about 1938.'
HOWARD M. JOHNSON, 6009 Simpson Avenue, North Hollywood, California 91606 is inquiring about an anvil which he recently purchased at Mariposa, California. The anvil was made in England and has the name (Henry Wright) stamped on side. Would anyone know how old this tool could be? If so, please write to Howard and let him have this info.
A few nice words come from JOSEPH W. HANLOVIC Route 1, Prague, Nebraska 68050: 'I sure enjoy the G.E.M. very much -wouldn't want to miss a single issue. I have a pretty nice collection of different sizes and models of gas engines that I have to work on. Sure is interesting to read in the G.E.M. how other people have problems with wiring and getting loose those single bangers.
My Dad bought a Sandwich 1-1/2 HP engine in 1918 for pumping water, which I still own, and it runs good. I also have a 5 HP Sandwich which has the big timing gear broken and a few parts missing.'
DOUGLAS STREET, 1921 Carney Ave., Rockford, Illinois 61103 writes this short letter: I am looking for information on an engine that I just picked up. I was told it was an ECONOMY. The engine # is 15 JK 6326 E. The RPM is 775 and the HP is 1 1/2 2 JK. There is a casting # on the block that is GE4500A. It has solid flywheels, the intake valve is in the head and the exhaust valve is in the block. Both valves are on the left side of the engine and across from each other. The exhaust pipe is also on the left side. The gas tank is cast into the bottom of the block. Any information as to make, yr. etc., will be greatly appreciated. I enjoy G.E.M. very much.
PRICE BRUBAKER, Box 236, Prairie City, Iowa 50228 has just purchased a Wallis Model J tractor made by J. D. Case Plow Works. He would like to know the original color and where to find the tractor serial number - please send him this data, if you know the answers.
From WESLEY J. TRATHAN, 3025 W. Dayton, Flint, Michigan 48504 comes another plea: 'You seem to be able to help so many engine restorers with the Smoke Rings column, that I am moved to try also. Here is my problem:
One of my special interests is marine engines. I am working on the restoration of a FERRO 6 HP Type DT 2 cylinder 2 cycle marine engine. The engine is quite complete except the plunger type of water pump is missing. I have never seen an engine like this before and wondered if anyone could produce a picture of one and write me about it.'
A letter from SCOTTY LITTLE, 426 South Main Street, Hope, Arkansas 71801 with quite a few questions for the learned gas buffs:
'Last year through an article in a science magazine, I was led to Gas Engine Magazine, G.E.M. I have thoroughly enjoyed the articles and the ideas from others.
I have a Witte 2 HP, Serial #b36911. I have restored it and it runs fine; however, I have some questions:
1. What year is it?
2. What color should it be? I got it as close as I could, (see picture)
3. The left side adjusting knob of carburetor was broken off but it runs without that adjustment. What is it for?
4. Where should the gas tank be located and size?
5. What is the hole in the back of the water hopper for? (see arrow on picture)
6. Was there a cowling over the connecting rods?
7. Does anyone have information from an owner's manual or catalog about this Witte Engine?
8. Is there anyone in my area of Hope, Arkansas, that would be interested in getting a club or show together? Any help will be greatly appreciated.'
This member of our G.E.M. Family is also calling for HELP! 'Need information on Detroit two cycle tank cooled engine. Anyone have any data I could copy or borrow or trade for LeRoi info?' (Write REV. GEO. GOODWIN, Box A, Worcester, New York 12197 if you can be of assistance).
LARRY GOUGH, The Fleece Garage, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales, U.K., LD7 IBB says: 'I have found an old inboard boat engine called a Ferro Special, made by the Ferro Foundry & Machine Company of Ohio. It is a type T, 3 HP, vertical two stroke. There is no ignition fitted, nor governor nor carb. Any information or drawings would be appreciated. I would also like to know the year it was built.
Other engines in my collection are 2-1/4 HP, 3 HP, 4 HP, 6 HP and an 8 HP Associates. 13 HP M Type International, 3 HP Hercules - 2 HP Model U Emerson Brantingham, 4 HP Ingeco, 2 HP Witte drag saw, 2 HP Bentall.'
A. K. SAYER, 106 South Road, Kirkby Stephen, Cumbria, England has a 1920 3 HP I.H.C. horizontal engine Type B which is complete apart from the valve springs and rocker arm. He would like any information on these.
VINCE DAILEY, Box 528, Ronan, Montana 59864 has an I.H.C. vertical S/N L 3017, speed 360, 3 HP. He would like to know the color of paint and the trim colors.
RAY MILLER, 2815 Niagara Blvd., Fort Erie, Ontario, Canada L2A 5M4 sends this message and request for help: 'We have the following gas engines and are wondering if anyone could tell us approximately the year they were built. *Associated 1 3/4 HP, water cooled, called Chore Boy, S/N 326005, hit and miss uses the Associated gear driven magneto with the spiral angled bevel gear drive with make and break ignitor. This engine has a Milwaukee nameplate - sold by P. T. Legore, Montreal.
*Associated 4 HP, water cooled, called Farm Hand. Throttle governor employs a Webster magneto and make and break ignitor, S/N 41038.
*Alpha (DeLaval) 1 3/4 HP, S/N 28273, spoke flywheel, speed 475 Type F, Splitdorf (Sumter) rotary magneto, make and break ignitor, hit and miss. Built for DeLaval by John Lauson Co. This is the same engine as the Lauson 1-1/2 HP Frost King Jr. All castings have the word JR plus casting number of them. During what years were the Frost King Jr. engines produced?
* Eaton 1-1/2 or 2 HP battery make and break ignitor, hit and miss. Engine built for the T. Eaton Co. Toronto, Canada by the Waterloo Gasoline Engine Co., Waterloo, Iowa and is the same engine as the well known Waterloo Boy. S/N stamped on end of crankshaft 141263.
* Renfrew Sta-Rite, 1-1/2 HP built for Renfrew Mach. Co. Renfrew, Ontario by the Sta-Rite Engine Co. LaCrosse, Wisconsin, Type A7 S/N 9969, hit and miss wizard magneto, make and break ignitor.
* Renfrew Standard 2-1/2 HP built for Renfrew Mach. Co. Renfrew, Ont. by Christensen Engineering Co. Milwaukee, Wis. Type FF, speed 450, S/N 9081F. This is a side shaft engine hit and miss, battery buzz coil and spark plug. Same engine as the Badger engine built by Christensen.
*Economy 5 HP Model 5E, S/N 122691, built for Sears Roebuck Co. by Hercules Engine Co. Evansville, Indiana, hit and miss, uses Webster magneto and ignitor. On our Economy engine at the crankshaft end of the cylinder on the bottom where the bore is beveled to assist in replacing piston and rings are five very distinct marks. Does anyone know what these punch marks stand for?' (There's a lot of questions for you veterans to answer).
I want to state here, so many of you men when writing me to use your material in the columns, also say you are looking for certain parts or manuals or etc. I cannot mention this in the Column. That would come under the classified WANT ADS. It would not be fair to the folks who send the want ads in asking for items. 1 hope you understand.
W. R. FELTON, 307 Water Street, Sioux City, Iowa 51102 sends this letter - sounds like they really enjoyed their visit:
My wife and I had the pleasure of a trip to New Zealand in January and our host and hostess drove 200 miles one Sunday so we could see some engines. The drive was a treat in itself and we saw a number of nice engines. Our biggest surprise came about 7 miles from the home of our friends when we called on John Menzies. The gentlemen admitted to having some 14 engines - yes all running condition - did he have any side-shafts? Yes! On looking at the engines and hearing many of them run I was dumbfounded to note that seven of his engines were side shafts. Like so many things in that beautiful land, English origin is quite common, but Iowa engines such as Galloway and Associated are well represented too.
Mr. Menzies has saved many treasures besides engines, from the junk heap. He has a number of tractors, much early telephone equipment and many clocks. I hope some more Yankee engineers will have a chance to visit in that lovely land.
Some questions from another subscriber as JOSEPH A. CIS-SELL, Route 1, Melber, Kentucky 42069 says: 'I am a new subscriber to your excellent magazine and I hate to ask for help so soon, but I need Help!
I have an engine 'The Hired Man' made by Associated Mfgrs. Co., Waterloo, Iowa. This engine is 2-1/2 HP. Would like to know the color of this engine, and any information would help.
Also have a 2-1/2 HP Jaeger engine made by The Jaeger Machine Co., Columbus, Ohio. I'd like to know the color this engine was painted and if anyone can tell me what the literature says about it.' (Joe has an ad in this magazine for some parts he is looking for -maybe you can help).
BERNARD J. SCHWAEGEL, R.R.I, O 'Fallon, Illinois 62269 is seeking data on a garden tractor which he is restoring. It is a Standard Monarch #408E2847. He would like to know the age and if it had a governor or where he can write for literature.
Another gentleman has two questions for the readers - JAMES P. STEFFY, 24 Cottonwood, Oak Grove Terrace, Mt. Vernon, Illinois 62864 asks: '1. Does anyone know what the original colors and paint scheme were on a Fuller & Johnson combination pump jack and engine? It is of vertical design, air cooled, with a solid inscribed flywheel. The gas tank is mounted directly on the carburetor. Also HP? I think it is somewhere around 2 HP. 2. Could someone tell me what type of ignition system a Monarch 1 3/4 HP had and how it was set up, etc.? I own a Monarch, but the ignition system is completely gone, so I haven't even a hint. Also, I would like to know the original color or colors and paint scheme for this engine. Any descriptions or diagrams on these problems would be appreciated.'
A lengthy letter with sincere interest in obtaining help comes from DON RILEY, 21224 Placerita Canyon Road, Newhall, California 91321:
I have a Fairbanks-Morse light plant that I would like to get some information on. It weighs approximately 300 pounds. It must be an odd engine because I have seen nothing like it in the G.E.M., either picture or description, in the past few years.
It is water-cooled with a small 9' x 10' radiator lying flat, just above the head. The head bears the numerals 1923 in raised cast in numbers.
The single cylinder is enclosed, with a flat pulley, 3' x 3', sticking out the front end and the mag out the back. You can see generator windings thru the grill in the front. I think it is a gas-started and kerosene-run engine. The small container in the carburetor holds 1-1/2 cups, and the running tank holds approximately 2-1/2 quarts.
When you move the start lever to choke, a small snorkle tube goes into an orifice in the gas container. The tube remains in the orifice until the lever is moved to 'run' position, at which time the snorkle tip comes away from the orifice. I've had the engine running on gas several times using the snorkle in the orifice, or nearly tight in the orifice, to keep it running.
Some of the wires are disconnected, and it will not charge, but it will start on a 12-volt car battery during warm weather. 12 volts will not turn it over compression in cold weather.
I think the motor generator is o.k., but the disconnected wires to the ampmeter, start lever, relay, etc. need hooking up correctly. There is no oil-level gauge that I can find, and the oil is old.
I was going to clean the magneto, but it seems to be still connected internally even after removing the four bolts into the mag. The internal governor seems to work and holds RPM fairly steadily when running.
I would like to hear from someone about this engine.
DONALD SELL, Box 368, Booker, Texas 79005 writes: 'I have an engine that I would like some information on as to type, year, name of engine, and what was its use? There are no numbers or nameplates of any kind on the engines except for 'STORD Motor, on the side of the block. It has three cylinders and the middle one is an injector pump. The two cylinders that fire have a bore of 3 3/4' and a stroke of 5-1/2'. The injector cylinder has a bore of 5' and a stroke of 3 3/4'. It is equipped with a Bosch magneto, but it is possible this has been changed. (See picture). I also need a wiring diagram for an upright Monitor, Model VJ, 1-1/4 HP, speed 500. ALL HELP APPRECIATED!
It has three cylinders and the middle one is an injector pump. The two cylinders that fire have a bore of 3 3/4' and a stroke of 5-1/2'. The injector cylinder has a bore of 5' and a stroke of 3 3/4'. It is equipped with a Bosch magneto, but it is possible this has been changed.
BARRY TULLER, R.R. 3, Box 78, Mt. Pleasant, Iowa 52641 has some questions on several of his engines:
I am hoping that someone can supply me with some information on some of my engines. I recently asked for information on a Sprayer engine and was helped out by Mr. R. Hamp of San Jose, California.
I now have a 2 HP. Trojan that is identical to the Sprayer. They look like Wittes. The nameplate says the engine was sold by Stowe Supply Co., of Kansas City, Mo. The engine has Witte serial number B14140 stamped on the crank, and the same number on the nameplate. The Sprayer engine has Witte serial number B16088. I was wondering if anyone could date these engines.
Last week (Mar. 6), I bought a Fairbanks Morse upright engine. It is either a 3 or 4 HP engine. It has serial number 765. It is equipped with both an igniter and a hot tube. I would like information on the hot tube, and how to make one, since this one is missing.
I have an engine that I think is quite rare, although I have seen one other like it. It is a Workwell engine, with a bore of 3 inches and stroke of 4 inches. The flywheels measure 14 inches diameter with a 1 3/4' face. It is a hit and miss engine with a spark plug. I would like any information on this engine anyone has.
If anyone knows how to date Hercules engines or has a serial number list of them, I would appreciate this information.
All letters sent to me will be answered. Enclosed is a picture of the Workwell engine. Thanks for a super magazine!
WILLIAM W. DODGE, 133 Wilson Road, Valley Stream, New York 11581 tells us:
'I have enclosed a picture of an engine that I have restored to running condition. I would like to know more about it. It is a 2 cycle engine, 2-7/8' bore and 2-1/2' stroke with twin flywheels. I am sure that it is quite old, because it has extra wide piston rings and 1/2' pipe spark plug. I obtained the engine minus the carburetor, but I adapted one from another engine. It runs at low RPM and it has a blow off valve or drain for the crankcase. The engine is all cast iron except the connecting rod which is bronze. The main bearings are bronze also. I would like to obtain information as to when this engine was made and where and as to what kind of carburetor was correct. I believe the engine was used originally on a power mower.'
I understand there had been a shortage of January-February Gas Engine Magazines-since then we have had more printed and if you did not get one, please write the Lancaster Office and tell them.
That will be it for this time and remember 'Troubles are the tools by which God fashions us for better things' - have a good time this summer at the Reunions - 111 be thinking of you.