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This is the Spring issue and a good time for a lot of rebirth, of new beginnings-in fact that is the now President Reagan's slogan-A New Beginning-and also the hostages are now free and home again and certainly for them it will be a New Beginning-we Praise the Lord and give thanks for their return and pray they will make the expected recoveries-and in our jubilation, let us not forget the eight men who gave their lives for the very purpose of getting these 52 home again. Those families of the eight are also facing a new beginning, not nearly as bright as the Americans that are now back home. Let's give them our prayers and support that they may be able to face the future in God's care. Don't throw away the yellow ribbons-we may be needing them again-as news has told us a linguist missionary has been taken prisoner now- and how about all the fellows that never came back from the Vietnam War-and yet are believed to be still alive and prisoners?? Maybe we could get a prayer chain started for them and bond together again in a worthwhile cause. Let's face it, it seems when the Americans get enthused about a common goal, good things happen. And while we are at it, let's not forget to pray for the leaders of national, state and local government.

To begin this time, there comes a letter from JOHN KLINKER, 11687 S.E. 33rd, Milwaukie, Oregon 97222: 'To all of you detectives in Gas Engine Land, I am looking for the decal that was used on a 1915 Judson. The engine was built by Stover and shipped to Winnipeg, Manitoba and sold under the name of Judson. The decal is an oval about 2?' wide and 5' high with a large J in it. If any of you have an engine with this on it, I would like a tracing with color described or a color picture.' (I always tell you fellas not to ask for items, only information in this column. I guess this is an exception. It seems it must be very hard to find and he is really asking for a tracing or description. I hope I have not slipped up on my own rules that I convey to you. See if you can help John.)

ALLEN HABERMAN, 14321 Josephine Road, Largo, Florida 33540 sends this: 'I wait for your magazine to come and articles like the Cletrac Tractor Collection are invaluable.

I just purchased a Terra-Trac tractor with a six foot hydrolic blade, however, it has a Chevy V-8 in it. I am sure it has more power at idle than the original had wide open. The model is GT34 and S.N. is 491. It was manufactured by the American Tractor Company of Churubusco, Indiana. I would sincerely appreciate any information I could get, regarding color, year, history, etc. Thanks in advance.'

'Maybe someone can answer my question,' writes DUANE L. McNABB, 4011 West Puget Avenue, Phoenix, Arizona 85021. 'I have a corn grinder that has the word Iowa on the hopper in two inch letters with another word below, also two inches high and looks like Bull, but I am not sure. There is no other identification. The hopper was green, the rest was red. Any help on further identification?'

The following letter is self explanatory: 'I recently acquired a 12 HP Hercules engine #125524 and would like to correspond with owners of similar engines for some restoration hints. My engine, which was possibly manufactured around 1915, appears to I have been originally a kerosene throttling-governed engine equipped with igniter. Through the years it has been modified and now incorporates a Fairbanks Morse magneto and spark plug. The previous owner had run it for many years on gasoline and it is still operable on this fuel. I hope to restore it as originally designed and welcome any helpful advice from your readers. Anyone interested may write JOHN LOVETT at 3607 Thrushwood Drive, Chattanooga, Tennessee 37415, or call me at (615) 875-0140. Thanks very much.'

A picture and short letter comes from MERLIE K. LEWIS, Box 88, Jasper, Arkansas 72641: 'I recently found this engine in Texas and it sure is a stranger to me. The name of it is Edwards, Engine #18262 made in Springfield, Ohio. It is a 4 cycle, 2 cylinder, one flywheel in the center of crank, hopper-cooled, bore 3', stroke 5'. It is pretty old and has T model spark plugs which puts it back in the 20s. It has the type American Bosch magneto and I don't know the horsepower or RPM.' (Anyone out there have one just like it-I imagine Merlie would like to hear from someone with same type of engine.)

Another enthusiast seeking some help is DUANE COOPER, P.O. Box 593, Ludington, Michigan 49431: 'Many thanks for a fine magazine over the years. Now, I need some information on an Appleton corn husker and shredder. It has a horse tongue, wooden axles with steel wheels, all wooden construction except for the blower, husking rolls-4 rolls-wooden and elevator for the husked ears of corn. How old is it? All I can find is the Appleton decal stating patent applied for in 1872. It is rated at 1100 RPM.

I even have a few husking pins and the tool to put them in the rolls. It is painted red with green trim. Stored inside for years and works great. Can anybody in Engine Land help me out? Thanks and I am hoping to hear from you.'

CHESTER FOSLER, 621 D Street, Milford, Nebraska 68405 would like to hear from anyone having a 2 cylinder opposed 8 HP New Way engine. What is the correct shade of red and what color lettering and stripes?

ARTHUR ERICKSON, 1117 S. Sante Fe, Salina, Kansas 67401 is wondering if anyone would know what the color was of a Galloway gas engine. (I imagine maybe they might vary, Art, according to model or year, but I'm sure someone will answer you.)

A very informative letter comes from LEROY QUANDT, R.R. Ryder, Dorth Dakota 58779: 'For those that have had questions in this past year's issues of the Gas Engine Magazine on tractors, here are some of the answers to them. First on the Farmall tractors: This is the way the factory listing of serial numbers for these models show the built dates. The Farmall Regular was built 1924 through 1932. The serial numbers for this model had prefix letters QC. The model F-20 built 1932-39 using the letters FA. The model F-30 built 1931-39 used the letters FB in the serial number. The F-12 built 1932-38 using letters FS as did the F-14 which was built 1938 & 39. The F-12 Farmall tractor used a 3 by 4 type FL or Waukesha engine in tractors FS-501 to FS 3034 but not in tractors FS-600 to FS-608. These would be built in 1932 and 1933.

The Farmall tractors have the number stamped in the frame or on the engine so if the manufacture plate is gone, one can still find the number and then determine the year built. There is a complete listing of all IHC Farmall tractors and their serial numbers by year built still available.

The Hart Parr Oliver Row Crop 18-27 tractor with the single front wheel began with serial number 100-001 in 1930. While the one with dual front wheels began with number 103-301 in 1931.

A 1934 WC Allis Chalmers should be painted the Allis Chalmers orange with black letters or decals. Isn't this right? The Allis Chalmers K-35 crawler tractor was built 1929 through 1943.

The Silver King tractors are painted a silver color.

The Co-Op tractors, sold through affiliates of the Farmers Union Central Exchange, St. Paul, Minnesota, were painted a dark red.

I have a Custom Model C tractor serial number C903 built in the late forties. This tractor has the six cylinder Chrysler engine; this is the industrial number 5 engine. I would like to correspond with anyone having a similar tractor.'

Seeking all and any information is D. E. SWEITZER, 300 N. Park Avenue, Oskaloosa, Iowa 52577; re McCormick Deering on steel Model 22-36 and also on Farmall Regular & F-30 tractors and Oliver 99 Wheatland diesel wide front end tractor. He'll be waiting for the data.

Seeking information on his engines is SAM D. MENDENHALL, 1088 N. West Street, Galesburg, Illinois 61401: 'I need help from your readers. I would like any technical data on the Aermotor; horspower, date mfg., original colors. Did the Aermotor have a name tag or just the imprint on the flywheels? Engine rotation direction and any hints on timing would be appreciated. I am also restoring a little Utilimotor manufactured by Johnson Motor Co., Waukegan, Illinois, serial #U21208. Would like information on this motor, its use, how old, and colors. Thank you for a fine magazine and any help you might be able to give.'

MILTON W. FOX, RR 1, Bicknell, Indiana 47512 has some answers for the column: 'On page 15 of the Sept.-Oct. issue of GEM, Alva Hosterman asked about the McCormick-Deering Fairway tractor.

IHC wanted to tedder to the golf course grassways for mowing the grass with tractors the steel lugs would tear up the grass, so IHC took the lugs and the steel ribs (front wheels) off of the wheels and called these tractors 'Fairway.'

The tractors used on the golf courses were the Farmall (Regular), W-12, 0-12, and maybe the Farmall F-20 was used as 'Fairway' tractors on the fairway of golf courses.

I enjoy your magazine and keep up the good work.

A letter of assistance comes to the readers as follows: 'This note I send in reply to GEM, 'Smoke Rings,' November-December 1980, p. 17 concerning the magazine Plow and Tractor which Sam Graham inquired about.

According to the Union List of Serials in Libraries in the United States and Canada, 3rd ed., 1965, Plow and Tractor was published in Moline, Illinois from Volume I through Volume 6, number 2, October 1916-April 1921 and ceased. Only two libraries, the University of California at Berkeley and the U.S. National Agricultural Library, Washington, D.C., are listed as holding this magazine and in both they are incomplete runs. No information is given as to the publisher. My guess would be that it is a fairly rare magazine.' (This comes from DONALD L. SIEFKER, 705 W. Annie Drive, Muncie, Indiana 47302 Thanks Don!)

'Need some help from Smoke Rings,' is the cry from CARL L. BORGSTROM, 35530 HY D, Dousman, Wisconsin 53118. He continues: 'While helping a friend dig an old Mack Bull Dog truck out of its 40 year resting place, I stumbled on a one cylinder hopper-cooled engine that had been resting a long time also.

It has no nameplate, but has CH & E Mfg. Co., Milw. on the hopper. About a 5' bore and 6' stroke. Sure would like some information before I start restoring. Really look forward to the wealth of information I get from G.E.M.'

BOB SEELEY, R.R. 3, Box 176, Warrensburg, Missouri 64093 submits the following: 'I recently acquired a Gray Motor Company, Detroit, Michigan #29 (cast on watter hopper) engine with a 3' bore. I've got it all apart except for a stuck piston and it appears to be almost complete. I've been told that these engines were painted gray with black lettering. The flywheels may have been gray, but the engine body shows some traces of red. I would like to know the color scheme of this engine, also its RPM, wiring diagram, and any additional data that may be helpful.'

Anticipating spring, here is some springtime talk of a Bloomer-but not a flower-from MOD WEST, R.D. 5, Waynesburg, Pennsylvania 15370: 'I just purchased a Bloomer engine made by Bloomer Machine Works, Bloomer, Wisconsin, No. 1083, 1? HP. The pushrod is missing and I would like to know the size and shape of it and also how it is supported at the rocker arm end-and also the paint color.

I enjoy your magazine very much and will be looking forward to my new subscription.'

From one of our younger supporters is this letter from LYNWOOD CRARY, RFD 1, Preston, Connecticut 06360: 'I am 13 and have been collecting engines for about two years. Recently, someone gave me a 6' Ericsson Hot Air Pumping engine, #13399. It was taken apart and left in a field against a stone wall. Many parts were trampled and broken. I believe I am missing the flywheels (?) and the plate steel stand it bolts to. Since the cylinder was halfway underground, it is pitted. Will the leather packing take up for this? The fairly long piston is badly smashed and rusting through. Does anybody have any ideas on how to make one? Also, what does the pump piston packing look like? How does the water get up the pump to the flange on the side at the cylinder? The pump is single acting. The fire brick is broken and missing. How can this be replaced? Thanks alot!' (Now fellas, if you can help this young inspired hobbyist, please write him; he has much interest and many questions-let's keep him interested. It's young men like this that will be the leaders in the future and keep the gas engine hobby aglow.)

Chatting about gas engines, this letter comes from MANUEL E. CASTRO, P.O. Box 364, Santa Margarita, California 93453: 'I have 20 gas engines, but I need information on two of my engines. I have a 4 HP Fairbanks Morse & Co. vertical. It has 7 patent dates on it. The first one is April 5, 1892 and the last one is July 11, 1905 No. 794178. What I want to know about this engine is why it has one flywheel bigger than the other one. One is 28' and the other is 24'.

The other engine is an Aermotor of Chicago. It has 24' flywheels and a Webster Tri-polar oscillator mag. It has around a 4' bore. Don't know the stroke. It is winter time and I don't want to take it apart. What I want to know about this engine is the horsepower. A friend has one like it and he says it is a 2? HP. I think it is a 3 HP. The man I bought it from says it's a 5 HP. I am ruling out the 5 HP. The fins are 18' high. These are the only numbers on the engine. Flywheel numbers are Z200 cylinder Z201 head Z206.

I enjoy the magazine real fine. Also, would like to know the color of these engines.' (Help 'em fellas, if possible.)

Here's a fellow enthusiast needing a lot of questions answered as G. S. WEDMAN, Box 458, Dragton Valley, Alberta, Canada TOE 0M0 writes: 'Thanks for a very good and educational magazine.

I am always interested in the many different engines and restoration projects of the GEM subscribers.

To make the removal and cleaning of rusted parts almost effortless, I am passing on this hint. Because of the oil industry in our area, it is easy to obtain inhibited 14 to 28 percent HCL acid. This does a tremendous job of cleaning and because of the special inhibitor, it will not attack cast iron or steel unless it is left submerged in the acid for days. One word of caution though-the acid will dissolve brass, copper or aluminum so make sure parts containing these metals are removed, or can be made, if they are damaged.

Make sure the acid is inhibited, Dowell or Hallibuston. Oil well servicing companies would have this acid. Please remember this product is an acid and must be handled and stored with extreme care.

Use goggles, rubber gloves and plastic containers. Use it outdoors because of fumes and have a supply of clean water available and immediately wash off any acid that accidentally comes in contact with skin or clothing. Do not purchase more than you need at one time and keep it locked up, labeled and away from children.

Like a lot of products, it is only dangerous if safety is ignored. Please dispose of spent acid safely and wash container and cleaned parts well with water.

I also have a problem I would like some help with from the readers. I have finally finished restoring my 8 cycle Aermotor, but still would like a detailed sketch of the igniter, as to how it is constructed. Also an actual size trace of the cam. The engine had a homemade cam to make it into a 4 cycle and it was also converted to Ford coil and plug ignition. I would like to restore it back to 8 cycle.

I also have a Canadian Wee McGregor built in Vancouver. I need to know the color scheme for it. I hope some of the readers can be of help.

Have any of the readers ever built a Stirling engine of about 2 to 5 HP? If so, please write since I am very interested in these unique engines.'

I would like to remind the readers again-many of your letters come through and you are asking for parts, manuals, etc. We CANNOT use this in the column as it would not be fair to the advertisers. If you need something in that category, please send in an ad to be put in classified section. It can be sent at the same time the information is sent for the Smoke Rings Column. I am sure you will understand our request. The column is for letters of information to and from the readers-all kinds of questions, hints, answers to other letters, etc.

Color experts-take heed! - GLEN BRAUN, R.R. 1, Box 143, LeCenter, Minnesota 56057 expresses his desires: 'I would like to get some information on the color and where I can get the paint for a 4 WD Massey Harris tractor. Was the early one a kind of olive green color?

Also, the color green they used on the Heider Rock Island tractor and has anybody made the friction drive for the Heider and what kind of material they used? Thank you. (He thanks you for he is already expecting the answer.)

ROBERT J. MILLER, P.O. Box 644, White Salmon, Washington 98672 is seeking information on the Sieverkropp ? HP engine. He will answer all letters.

A note from GEORGE HINDS, Lead, South Dakota 57754 tells us he has a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse power engine, S.N. 552068 Model FBZ. He especially needs information on the mag. It is American Bosch Type No. AR33. 'I have never seen this type before and need some data on it. The rest I can manage. Would also like to know how old it is. Letters will be greatly appreciated.'

'From a very good friend I have acquired an 8 HP tank-cooled McVicker automatic engine. It is the 1907 style, has the pushrod activating mechanism on the cylinder flange. The bore is 6?' the stroke 10'. This engine is quite rusty, was outside at least forty years. I will rebuild or remake most of the small parts. I would like to correspond with McVicker owners and in particular with someone who has an 8 HP one. Will answer all letters.' This letter is self explanatory and comes from DALE NICKERSON, Glasgow Road, Cassadaga, New York 14718.

We hear from RICHARD MERRETT, 220 Sunnyfield Drive, Horseheads, New York 14845: 'You may never know how many people you have put in touch with each other through Smoke Rings. Some people in this world are just wonderful nice (that's a Dutch saying) and you sure fall into that category (and I'm sure he means the whole staff of G.E.M. (Thanks Richard)! My son and I have met some of the most helpful people in the world since we have been in Gas Engine Land. I am enclosing a copy of Fordson serial numbers that as far as I know is accurate and it may be of help to other enthusiasts. (I am sure the Fordson hobby folks will be especially helpful.)


Starting Serial Number






















Not known


Not known

1929 Built in Cork, Ireland


1930 Built in Cork, Ireland


1931 Built in Cork, Ireland


1932 Built in Cork, Ireland


1933 Built in Dagenham, England


1934 Built in Dagenham, England


1935 Built in Dagenham, England


1936 Built in Dagenham, England


1937 Built in Dagenham, England


1938 Built in Dagenham, England


The Fordson Tractor Serial Number is stamped on the right-hand side of the engine block immediately above the front manifold stud.

'Could any of our 'antique engineers' tell me the dates of manufacture of Aermotors 8 cycle engines. No. CRAC has the governor on the end of the cam shaft. The other engine #84P has the governor in the flywheel. These are fine little engines.

Wish you would try to make 'our' magazine monthly, but hurry up as I am on the downhill side of life. I get anxious waiting two months for it.'

An enthusiastic subscriber writes: 'I just want to tell you I think GEM is the greatest! I've only been a reader for less than a year and sure enjoy it.

I have a 2? HP engine S.N. 65427. Would someone in Engine Land know when this was made?

Also, does anyone know if there is any connection between the Old Warhorse manufactured by The Manson Campbell Company, Detroit, Michigan and the Wilson DesMoines mfg. by Wilson Machinery Company of DesMoines, Iowa? Thanks for a great magazine.' (Thanks, for enjoying it so much and telling us. This is from CHARLES WILSON, 3003 Graves, Waukegon, Illinois 60085.)

This writing comes from ED WOOD, Box 2, Monson, Massachusetts 01057: 'Being a city boy, born and bred, I never heard of a hit and miss engine even though I have been living in a small town for the past eleven years. Well, anyway a friend of mine invited me to an engine show last June 1980 so to make a short tale of this story I subscribed to your wonderful GEM and have now in my budding collection, three engines: two of which I have been able, through the friendliness of old iron nuts and your magazine to restore for the coming year.

The remaining engine is a 1? HP Sandwich for which I have an old catalog and it tells me everything except the year it was built. I am hoping one of the old timers out there could tell me by the serial number. It is AB-30370, RPM 550, 3?' bore, x 5' stroke, with 17 x 1?' flywheels. It has a Wico EK mag. and a spark plug, but it does not have the speed changing device shown in my book. So I have to assume it is older than the one in my catalog. So if you please, Gents, I would sure appreciate a note. I will answer all. Thanks again for your beautiful coverage of a wonderful hobby.'

FLOYD FARVER, 2220 N. Farver Road, Elkton, Michigan 48731, phone 517-375-2544 has a request: Have taken the Gas Engine Magazine for five years and enjoy it. I have several pieces of old iron of my own.

My reason for writing is in the 1920s my dad had a Townsend 30-60. I think it was the only one in Michigan. Before I got collecting it was sold. I heard it was around Fort Wayne, Indiana. I looked for it but couldn't find it. I thought by putting my letter in the column someone might see it and get in touch with me. I sure would like to know where it is-thank you.

A note comes from GAIL & JIM HICKEY, 1333 El Rey Avenue, El Cajon, California 92021: 'My wife and I plan to visit her home in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada next year. If you could mention it in your Smoke Rings column, ask if there are any gas engine collectors in the area of Nova Scotia or Cape Breton Island and give my address.' (Tis done, Jim-now maybe you'll hear from some fellow enthusiasts.)

A picture and note from JOHN S. PALMER, 1019 Audrey Avenue, Campbell, Callifornia 95008 says: 'Hope some reader can help me. I picked up this little engine in New Brunswick, Canada. I have never seen another. The only information found is a small tag on the INSIDE of the radiator shell, Modine Mfg. Co., Racine, Wisconsin, serial #1536M1279. I would like to know date, color, HP, etc. Thank you.'

Another new engine collector needs help as STANLEY CROSS, R.R. Box 44, Lamar, Nebraska 69035 pens this one: 'I have been interested in old engines, tractors, trucks, etc. for quite a while and within the last year have gotten hold of three gas engines to start a collection. As of yet, I don't think the bug has gotten to this area in a big way, so I need a little help from your readers.

My first and second purchases were the IHC line and I would like manufacturing dates. Model 1?-2? LB S.N. LBA 86466 and 3-5 LB S.N. 25846. Both are in running condition. My third engine is a Maytag 2 cylinder, model 72D, S.N. 158924. I would like a date on this engine, plus information on fuel mix and ignition help. As of yet, I have no spark. I got a tickle from it once, then no more.' (Help him out men-if you can.)

Following is a letter that may interest many of you-read on: 'I've collected antique tractors now for 7 years and currently have 49 of them. Two of my favorites are a 1918 10-20 Mogul and a 1938 W-40 McCormick. In the past two years the W-40 has won 13 out of 15 antique tractor pulls centered. It's a real powerhouse!

One of my tractors isn't so old, but is very unusual. It is a 1944 203 Massey Harris #95283 powered by a 330 cubic inch 6 cylinder Continental engine. It is exactly like a 55 Massey except for the engine. I only know of two others. I'd like to hear from other 203 owners and will make up a list of how many are left.

This goes along with another hobby I have-ever since 1977 I've written down the serial number for every rare and lots of common make antique tractors built before 1940. I now have 3 large notebooks filled with lists of over 5000 tractors and the serial numbers of lots of them. This is a very interesting hobby as it is fun to see how many of each old make and model tractor survived the junk heap. It appears that some of the earlier built tractors are totally extinct.

Believe it or not, I know of 111 30-60 Aultman Taylor tractors still in existence. The two most popular older tractors are the 10-20 Titan and 16-30 H Oil Pull with around 180 of each left. I am sure there are far more that I don't know about.

Therefore, I'm announcing a worldwide tractor serial number search (see display in Wanted column of this issue). I need to hear from collectors all over the world, sending me serial numbers of their tractors and others they know about. This will be a tremendous job and will take a couple of years or more. At that time, lists will be made available at cost to all collectors having tractors listed. Also at that time I will send to GEM a list of each make and model antique tractor showing how many of each are still in existence. This should be quite interesting. Everyone please help! Thanks!!' (If you are interested in seeing this possibility come true, please write BLAINE GRIGGS, Route 3, Box 99, Nevada, Missouri 64772. It sounds like something that many of you will be interested in seeing this dream completed.)

W. R. ROWLAND, 4940 Henry Cooper Road, Byctrus, Ohio 44820 would like to correspond with any one in Engine Land on first, a Perkins vertical side shaft as he is having trouble with the type of ignition. And he would also like to hear from anyone that has a Leonberter upright engine made in Bradford, Pennsylvania and any information they would have to offer him.

A note comes from GEORGE W. COVILL, 46 Sandy Lane, Brook-field, Connecticut 06804: 'First things first-of all the magazines that I read, GEM takes the cake. I have a combination gas engine and water pump that has been buried in the swamp about 30 to 40 years. It is about 60'.. restored. It was made by the Kewanee Water Supply Co., Kewanee, Illinois. Type 18, #1175, piston diameter is 3?' and 3?' stroke. I would like to know the year it was made, the horsepower and the color. Also the connection between the water pump and engine for cooling. Thanks.'

Heads up, out there-this letter could mean you and it comes from GLEN LIPPINCOTT, Star Route, Sciota, Pennsylvania 18354: 'Our Club is interested in putting on a tractor (antique) pull at one annual show this coming year. About two years ago you published an article about a show in Iowa, I believed, that mentioned an antique tractor pullers association. The article went on to mention some of the rules involved. Could you please help me in contacting those folks in Iowa or members of that association through your Smoke Rings column?' (Here's hoping the right folks read this message.)

'Would you please run this letter in the March-April issue of GEM?' asks R. GUY ADAMS, 136 Opal Drive, Rural Hall, North Carolina 27045. He continues, 'I need help with an engine I bought in Virginia. The nameplate says (Friend), pump Model DP106, Chassie Model S112, S. N. DX10819, Friend Mfg. Co., Gasport, New York U.S.A. I think this engine was designed to run an Orchard Spray. If anybody knows anything about this engine I would like to hear from them. Any help would be appreciated. I think this engine is about 2 HP. It is water-cooled and has one flywheel.'

Next communication comes from a novice in the field as DAVID M. WILSON, P.O. Box 505, Carthage, North Carolina 28327, phone 919-947-5107 writes: 'I am new at this, came down with the fever at the Thresher's Reunion at Denton, North Carolina. After seeing and hearing the engines at the show, I just had to get into it. So, I am now the owner of four engines. Three of them are fairly common. However, I have a large problem with one big engine. No one I talked to at the other North Carolina shows have ever heard of it and it also has some features which are different from any other I have seen. I have also been through stacks of back issues of GEM with no luck. As you have probably guessed by now, I really need some help!

I will try and describe this engine as best I can. Information on the data plate is The Spotless Co., Inc. The South's Mail Order House, Richmond, Virginia. Engine Number 7742, HP 13. This engine weighs about 3000-3500 pounds, has 48 inch flywheels, 8' bore and 13' stroke. It has a side camshaft which extends beyond the head and operates a Webster Type JZ 52 Magneto (patented Dec. 12, 1899). This magneto fits into the center front of the head with points which break in head chamber. The intake valve is located in a chamber which bolts on top of head. This chamber also had a 1? elbow pipe which is necked down to form a venturi which serves as carburetor. The exhaust valve is located in bottom of head. The governor is a vertical ball type which is driven off a worm gear from same gear on crankshaft that operates cam shaft. Any information on this engine will be greatly appreciated.

I would also like to know what kind of magneto should be on a Le-Roi one cylinder vertical hopper, engine no. 47267. I would like to know what year this engine was built.'

Needing your help, LEO R. PETERSEN, 12921 Lorna Street, Garden Grove, California 92641 writes: 'I enjoy your magazine very much and have received much needed information just reading it, but I need to know something I have not come across-is there any material or method to clean rust stain-discoloring from galvanized sheet metal such as some farm machines used? This material is very dull. Thank you.' (He is already expecting an answer-I am sure you won't let him down.)

Lots of questions from LUKE E. ANDERSON, Box 54, Dillonvale, Ohio 43917: 'What is the difference between the new improved Economy and the regular Economy engine? Also, what is the horsepower of this engine with a bore of 3?' and 5' stroke? This engine did not have a name tag for I.D. and on the mag the band was ripped off. Except for two small pieces on the front part of the mag near the head reads Mclnnerney Podlesak Patents 861-first part of numbers ripped off. I think the other numbers may be 879. The other side of the mag toward the flywheel reads M 1 Milton Brown Patents, and on the bottom of the mag reads A-100-M and the word Stewart. One other part has a number 346K30. I think it might be a trip lever. Now, I need to know the year it was made, what type of decals, how many, type of mag and what color was used? I would appreciate very much hearing from someone who might have an engine like mine. Thanks for a great magazine!'

A plea for help comes from AL GREGORITSCH, 3 Iby Street, South Burlington, Vermont 05401. He would like help in identifying his side shaft engine in his collection. The large cast brass nameplate reads Atlantic Diaphram Pumping Engine, Harold L. Bond Company, Boston, New York. The engine resembles an early Domestic side shaft but with distinct differences especially in the water hopper and governor areas. Anyone having information please write.

A couple questions come from M. A. PAFFRATH, Lower Ten Mile Lake Road, Hackensack, Minnesota 56452 and he writes: 'I have taken the Gas Engine Magazine for four years and do look forward to each issue.

This winter I have gotten a small upright Sandow, tank-cooled engine. It should run on a battery and coil. This engine was made by Detroit Motor Car Supply Co., Detroit, Michigan. No serial number and no horsepower rating. Can someone tell me just how this engine works?

I also have a 6 HP Goold, Shapley and Muir engine; it runs on gasoline but uses a fuel injector instead of a carburetor. This engine was made in Brantford, Ontario. Serial number 3055. It runs very well; can someone give me some history on this company? Thank you.'

A note from Maine as ENOCH S. COOK, 95 South High Street, Bridgeton, Maine 04009 mails this: 'Enjoy the magazine immensely and find it most informative about a species that I am only now learning about although have been car and truck mechanic and general tinkerer for 40 years. Have restored a few engines for others, but have yet to get 2 or 3 I have in running shape.

I am interested in the early forms ignition for water-hopper jobs, non rotating mags, core set-ups etc. I have Rathban's book but did not find it adequate. HELP!

W. E. NEAL, 613 8th Avenue, Charles City, Iowa 50616 sends this picture of a Milwaukee engine owned by Dick Nelson and they would like information about these engines. So far no one has come up with any help. This engine is shown at the Cedar Valley Engine Show.

Keep the pencils out and answer some more interested folks-here is a fellow subscriber that wants to know about a Fuller & Johnson farm pump engine. He says he knows nothing about it and can't even find out the color. Please write ED TRESO, 3428 E. Dodge Road, Clio, Michigan 48420.

A little bit apart from gas engines, but also a humorous and diverting writing as WALT NIELAND, Route 2, Carroll, Iowa 51401 shares his poetic abilities with us: 'Not much going on in the Engine Department in the dead of winter, but I keep up my correspondence with the wonderful people I have met through the GEM. It also is the time of year to practice another of my hobbies, basket weaving out of willow shoots. It is an ancient art brought over from Germany by my grandfather in 1869. (Sounds different, don't you think, but that is what's great about hobbies you share with people, you can also learn of other hobbies.)

Say, are you aware that our fair city was named the Dull Men's Capitol of the U.S.? That right-and our gullible, publicity-minded mid-westerners really went for it. I didn't rush right in and become a charter member, however, I realize I would have made a prime candidate. I am still at it though, as I did compose a limerick: I certainly hope I'm no cull-At my age I'm just a husk or a hull-I never was witty-And definitely not pretty-But I just enjoy being dull!! (Read on to his other poem.) Walt says he composed this one after the reunion shows. - As I attend all the shows-And witness all sorts of woes-Among the many contenders-It's always the naive pretenders-Seeking free advice from the pros! (Not bad Walt-and it's nice to get an amusing letter like that sometimes.)

'I need help from Gas Engine World and will try to answer all mail,' says ED WHITE, 572 Haywire Road, Winlock, Washington 98596: 'I have an early F.M. Jack-of-all-trades engine. It is different from others I have seen in that it has no brass builder's plate, or any indication it ever had one. Also it has red paint that looks original. It is an upright, 4' bore, 6' stroke, 24' x 1?' flywheels, and in most respects, other than a slightly different carburetor is about the same as most 2 HP engines. Could this be a 1? HP and could F.M. have used red paint at one time, and possibly, no I.D. except the decals on the water tank?'

JOHN BOEHM, 5140 Molakini Way, Fair Oaks, California 95628 awaits your answers: 'I recently acquired a 4 HP Ohio sideshaft engine, serial number K4286. I would like to know if anyone can help me determine the age, original paint color, how the carburetor and fuel pump operate, and any other history on these engines. Also the steering wheel and front wheels of my John Deere GP tractor have the letters F&H cast into them along with different casting numbers than John Deere used on the identical looking parts. Does anyone have an explanation for this? You consistently put out the best magazine in the gas engine field.' (Thanks John, we appreciate your comments and strive to please our GEM family.)

Another picture for the column comes from HARVEY DANIEL-SON, Route 2, Miltona, Minnesota 56354 with this note: 'I would like to know if anyone has a wood splitter, like mine in the picture. It is patented in 1908. Has a 40' diameter pulley on one side and two flywheels on the other side. I run it with 1? HP John Deere. Works good! I look forward to your GEM. I have about 40 gas engines, including saw rigs and wood splitters.'

Appreciation remarks come from GORDON SOLOMON, Route 1, Almena, Kansas 67622: 'Thanks to all the people that wrote about my questions on my F-M 3 HP Z style C engine and the International LB 1?, 2? motor with pump jack. I will share the information with you readers. The F-M was made in 1947. Some of the paint colors suggested for it were Chevy truck chrome green, Krylon hunter green, Martin Senour #7888 and Sherwin Williams green. Most people thought that the fabric riveted to the pulley was to increase the diameter, therefore speeding up machinery without adding to RPM of the engine. Also was informed that the International LB engines were made from 1939-1948.'

WALTER L. TURMAN, 400 E. Richland Avenue, N.W., Roanoke, Virginia 24012 recently bought a 4? HP engine No. 99771. The name is John M. Smyth, Mdse. Co., Chicago, Illinois. What years was this company in business? What company made this engine and approximate year built? The engine is battery ignition, using a mechanical igniter hit and miss governor. Thanks for a great magazine!'

Perhaps you fellow engine lovers could help GREGORY J. NOVAK, 4365 Woodland Drive, Woodbury, Minnesota, even though this is a different type engine. Read his problem: 'I am a gas engine enthusiast with just a few engines. I know this magazine is for engines and tractors mostly, but I recently acquired a 1929 Dodge Brothers touring car. It has a beautiful gas engine under the hood. I have many questions about this relic. Does anybody know if they were all black or if they had some two-tone black and blue ones also? Did they have heaters back then? About the engine?? Did they make any 6 cylinder Dodge Brothers? Was the 1926 engine black with 6 volt starter the same as the 1925 engine black with 12 volt starter? Hope I can get some help. Thank you.'

Seeking help from the GEM readers, this letter comes from BOB SCOTT, 401 Pittsdowne Road, Columbia, South Carolina 29210: 'Have been a regular reader of GEM for about two years now and really look forward to each issue. I have moved three times during this time so could not pursue the hobby too much. However, have picked up during this time 2 engines I need help with. I have not seen anywhere the color schemes of any engines. Would like to see the standard colors written up in an article, at least for most of the common engines. Also an article showing that engines with certain serial numbers are made during certain years. Again for the common ones only. I have a Witte, 1? HP with serial #58491. Also a Fairbanks-Morse 'Z' 3 HP with a overhead radiator and open crankshaft. Can find no serial number on this engine. Would like to know what color they should be and the age if possible. Any information will be appreciated.

(As you will notice, Bob we do have information coming in like that as in this month's column we have several engines with information listed that will aid many readers. And perhaps you will get some letters.)

Counting on hearing from you is JIM CHARLTON, Box 5304, Spokane, Washington 99205: 'Can anyone out in Engine Land identify this engine for me as to the make, model, horsepower, year etc.

On top of the hopper is stamped number 97823. It has 36' flywheels, 2?' wide with the word SPARK stamped on it. The igniter appears to be on the right hand side of the engine when looking from the rear forward. What I think is a intake pipe has 20JL on it. Con rod has 200L on it and the rocker arm has 27RC on it.

On the front of the hopper there are four holes where a nameplate goes and on top of the hopper there are two holes for a plate. I will answer all letters and I am very anxious to hear from you as I want to get started restoring this engine.

Thanks to Smoke Rings, you are a real service to those of us in need.

An amusing writing comes from RALPH L. KNAPP, 188 W. Rosemary Road, Montgomery, Alabama 36109: 'I enjoyed reading the letters I received giving me information about the serial numbers and dates of manufacture of the Fairbanks Morse engines. I also received parts lists and other data about the Model T which I have. All the people who wrote were as friendly and real and are loaded with very interesting stories about their engine experiences and collections.

My engine was astounded at seeing (its, his, her) serial number in print. He made several expressions about the gender bit. She finally said, 'If everything was explained to us, we still wouldn't understand. It likes to be addressed in any of the three (its, his, her) ways. He also told me a little about his first owner. - I run all day, got low on oil-My gasket blistered when my water boiled. Then my master tends his big machine-And fills my tank with gasoline FM-T-108589. (Then he spoke of times when it really got rough, then better) .... Then all at once, I started to glow - I was the attraction in a Gas Engine Show! (Now he tells me he knew this all the time.) I'm bolted together and shipped away-And given a job without any pay-Now don't get alarmed, I've got it hacked-My program includes a big comeback!' (Not bad Ralph, we do have some budding poets this time, don't we?)

Another picture comes from STILES BRADLEY, Box 25, Pavilion, New York 14525: The engine is a 14 HP Jacobson #1020. It is one of the first attempts to throttle govern an engine. The intake valve pushrod pushes the rocker arm and then jumps off the end of the rocker arm. The faster the engine goes, the sooner the pushrod jumps off the rocker arm, thus limiting the amount of intake charge. It has balanced crankshaft, an Elkhart magneto, brass ignitor rod and exhaust rocker arm. The year is approximately 1901. I would be interested to know if anyone else has one like it.

And now we must end this missal. We get lots of letters for this column and that is good. You all enjoy reading each other's letters, ideas, suggestions and helpful advice. Sometimes, I must cut certain parts out of the letters or change them a bit, but I try to get them all in in full content as possible. May I close with just a few thoughts: It is more important to watch how a man lives than to listen to what he says. - - Do not face the day until you have faced God.---Life is like a ladder, every step we take is either up or down. - - The person who is pulling on the oars usually hasn't time to rock the boat.

Bye Bye - Love Ya All - Get ready for the Shows!