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This is the March-April issue I'm working on - sadly to say it is not March-April spring like weather yet close this out - but BOY will we be happy for SPRING!! We've had over 21 inches of snow plus ? how much rain interspersed with freezing, blowing, chilling, just bluckey weather - I was sitting here the other day typing a while and then scooping up water with the water vac or else sweeping it up, then typing then cleaning water again as the weather had warmed up and the ground is many feet deep with frozen water and it starts coming in our cellar walls and when it comes running under your feet where you're working - its time to get busy getting rid of the water - and to think how California was so dry for so long - wish we could have shipped it right out there - oh well, Praise the Lord anyhow! And now onto the letters - many, many

MIKE ROBERTS, Box 157D, Cedar Knoll Road, RD 1, Coatesville, Pennsylvania 19320 writes: 'I've recently acquired a Delco Light Plant and need some information. As I'm fairly new to the Gas Engine Game, perhaps someone of the readers could help me.

The engine is a four cylinder overhead valve and is air-cooled. There is a large aluminum cover that swings over the rocker arms. Delco Light Company, Dayton, Ohio, U.S.A. is cast into the crankcase on the carburetor side. The generator is mounted on what I would consider to be the rear of the engine; and there is a switch and fuse panel mounted above the generator area. The whole outfit seems to be complete and in very good shape, but I would like to get some information on the electrical side of things before I attempt to start it so I don't fry the generator and control box. If any of the readers could offer any advice on this outfit, I would really appreciate hearing from them.

I would also like to know the proper color scheme for a Fuller and Johnson farm pump engine. In closing, let me say that I really enjoy the Smoke Rings column and usually read it first when G.E.M. arrives.'

JOHN W. DAVIS, 20070 St. Rt. 119, Maplewood, Ohio 45340 comments; 'I have a few words for Smoke Rings column - I look forward to each G.E.M. and I.M.A. magazine and enjoy them very much. I thought the colored pictures used, added a lot and would like to see more.

I am a Case tractor collector and would like to hear from someone who has any information on a Model CD crawler that I think was built in the 30s. There is a picture of one in a little pamphlet called A Case History.'

J. M. HUCKABEE, J-BEE Ranch, Route 3, Box 138, Leander, Texas 78641 writes us, I believe for the first time: 'Several people in this area are engine and tractor collectors. We enjoy your magazine so much and read every line over and over.

The old iron on the J-Bee Ranch counts to 16 old engines, a cordwood sawmill, an old Ford Roadster with oil lights (1923), a working windmill water pump and a metal cutting draw saw. With the exception of one engine, all items are restored and in good order. We have high volume electric water pumps on the ranch but still supply the house with the Aeromotor windmill.

I would like to see a technical article in G.E.M. - the 'how to do' type. These could be on subjects of general interest so they would be valuable to everyone. (Send them in Fellas, we will print them.)

The early memories of my childhood is of the giant majestic long straw pine trees of Laurel, Mississippi. These trees grew to eight or more feet in diameter and a hundred feet to the first limb. Post and bridge timbers from heart pine are good for more than a hundred years.

Our buildings were roofed with heart pine shingles which we called 'boards.' These boards were split from blocks with hand tools: a froe and maul. The froe is a dull steel blade with a wood handle attached at a right angle. The maul of wood was hand hewn from the butt cut of a small hickory tree. We spoke of riveing boards; or that boards were rived from blocks. Typical roofing boards were 2-2?' long, 1' wide and about ?' thick. These were always rived from heart cuts of long straw pine timber.

Now we older Mississippians don't know what a shingle mill is all about. I see reference to a shingle mill in operation at various shows, but the pictures never show much detail.

Would you please run a little article on a shingle mill with some detailed photographs - for us folk who (rived our boards with a maul and froe)? We sure would like to know how they work. (Send the shingle mill articles in guys and we'll see what we can print in a more detailed story for folks who are interested. Seems sawmills are run more from steam, aren't they?)

Thanks again for the pleasure that G.E.M. brings into our lives.'

H. L. RITTER, Route 5, Box 127, Fulton, New York 13069 tells: 'I would like to thank you all who have given me information on igniters in G.E.M. and in letters. We are having a little winter here. Don't do much on engines during the winter. We have had over 100 inches of snow so far this winter with February our usual snow month. I spent the day shoveling holes in the snowbanks, so I would have places to pur our next snowfall. According to weathermen there is more due late tonight and tomorrow (written Jan. 20). Oh well, in about four months, I will be able to get grease under my fingernails again.' (Well Mr. Ritter surely seems to be taking the whole snow scene well - I'm almost embarrassed to mention our 21 inches of snow - but I just don't know how people manage - we must not have the proper facilities around here for digging out of the snow. I'll tell you one thing, though, I'm always in awe when these snowstorms hit, for we, of the human race seem to be pretty independent and think we can take care of things, and then the snowflakes come-and all those beautiful little snowflakes practically immobilize us - and we find out how small we are - but then we realize how great is our Creator don't we?

From OLIVER SORRELL, R. D. 2, Box 246, Morrisonville, New York 12962 - 'Received our third issue of G.E.M. and like it very much. Enclosed is a picture of a gas engine we recently acquired. We cannot find a name on it. The only information we find is Eng. No. 15 J16126E, R.P.M. 775, HP 1?-2JI also all parts NO # start with prefix G.E. Would appreciate any information as to make, year, color and where they were made. Hope to hear from someone.'

ARNOLD E. OLIN, Seamay Avenue, Alexandria Bay, New York 13607 is looking for information on a make and break engine. He has one and is in the process of bringing it back to life. It is an Associated Mfg. Co. Eng. #147786, Ignition magneto, water-cooled, 4' piston, flywheel governor, 2? HP. If you can give him a boost with this project, he'll appreciate it.

BILL THELEMANN, R. R. 1, Box 188, Le Sueur, Minnesota 56058 writes: 'I would appreciate it if you would pass this on to all the fine gas engine buffs who read your fine magazine.

I have three Economy gas engines that I am in the process of repainting, they are a 7 HP, 5 HP and a 1? HP. After many hours of cleaning off the grease and dirt I am ready to put on the paint. But, I am not quite sure what the true color may be. After spending all that time getting them ready it would be a shame to paint them the wrong color. I would truly appreciate any information anyone would have on the color. Also, I would like to know how many different models were made of the Economy and where Hercules came in. Thanks again for such a fine magazine.'

DEREK WILLIAMS, 'Chestnuts', GT, Doward, Symonds Yat, Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire, England would welcome information of any kind on an Economy No. 240567, HP 1?E. He would especially like to know the age of this engine. Also, anything anyone could tell him about an Associated Manufacturers So. air-cooled, horizontal open crank, about 2 HP. The magneto has the letters ANM on it and the no. 132645. It is driven by shew gears.

DONALD S. PADY, Reference Librarian/Bibliographer, 212 North Riverside Drive, Ames, Iowa 50010 writes to express his thanks and appreciation to alt the readers who have responded by offering their support to his project. The index will be a great treasure to hobbyists and collectors. (See article in September-October Gas Engine Magazine.)

We received this letter from THOMAS F. HARRIS, 4 Coady Court, Petaluma, California 94952 after he was referred to our readers for help from the Smithsonian Institute. 'I have possibly a potential engine for your magazine - evidently a rare bird. It is a Schmidt Chilled Cylinder Engine, type H, number 7615, 3 HP, pat. August 13, 1907. It was manufactured by the Schmidt Bros. Co., engine works in Davenport, Iowa. The Schmidt Bros. Co. appeared in the Davenport city directory from 1910-1913, and the latest date on the Holley type NH carburetor is 1913. This engine is a vertical open crankcase type, with twin flywheels, hit and miss ignition, a rocker operated exhaust valve, and suction operated intake. The bore and stroke is approximately 4' x 4'. It is 90% original and completely rebuilt-the only non-original parts are two governor springs, a new poured rod bearing and new gas line. I wish to establish a value and/or any data as to quantity made, original use, owners manual, etc. Can send pictures if interested. I have never seen a convection air-cooled engine of this age. Any information would be appreciated.'

From JOHN BIKOWSKY, Madison, New York 13402: 'I have a 1? HP Deyo headless and gearless gas engine made by the Deyo-Macey Engine Co., Binghamton, New York. Does anyone out there in engine land have any information on the Deyo-Macey Engine Company? I haven't seen one like it at any of the engine shows that I have attended. I also restore McCormick Deering tractors. I have four 10-20's and W-40, so if anyone has a problem, let me know and maybe I can help you out.'

WILLIAM W. DODGE, 133 Wilson Road, Valley Stream, New York 11581 writes, 'I have a spark plug problem with this small hit and miss engine, an engine that I know very little about. The former owner said that it is a natural gas engine, but he never ran it. I don't like the idea of escaping gas, so I have added a small carburetor where the fresh air intake was. The valve for admitting natural gas can be seen just above the automatic intake valve. The gas passed through a hole in the casting to a small slot in the face of the intake valve seal, so when the valve was closed no gas could enter. I hope that I can get it running on gasoline. The spark plug is an odd size. The plug that was in the engine is not in good shape. It is a Rajah plug with a pipe thread having 18 threads to the inch, but is a little larger than 3/8' pipe thread (it is not ?' pipe which has 14 threads per inch) and is the size more often found in old engines. I would really like to know of a source of supply for this odd spark plug as well as any other information someone may have on this engine. It weighs about 55 lbs. and the flywheels are 8' in diameter. Using the horsepower formula in G.E.M., it is ? HP or about 400 R.P.M. At some point someone had a lot of chrome or nickel plating done and put it on a fancy base. It is a real nice engine, very well made, with no sign of wear to speak of. 1 am anxious to get it running by springtime. If there are others familiar with this engine or have spark plug information, I would like to hear from them.'

MIKE LUTE, 923 E. Bannock, Boise, Idaho 83702 writes, 'Since I am a new subscriber, I wish to ask a favor of your readers. I recently purchased a R & V Engine, manufactured for the John Deere Plow Co., 4 HP s/n CL29223, patent date July 14, 1903-May 3, 1904. I've found little reference to this engine as yet, and being new, need some qualified help. The greatest and immediate problem is that it has been changed from the original ignition to a spark plug excited by a Model T coil. I haven't any idea as to what the original system looked like or whether I can restore it. I assure it must have had the make/break horseshoe magneto. Can anybody help? I work as a sales rep for John Deere Industrial Co. and have tried through Deere & Co. But so far, no success. I'm still interested in meeting anyone in the Boise area subscribing to the G.E.M.'

From across the sea from VAN DER SCHAAL, Juweliers B.V Torenlaan 8, Laren-N. Holland - 'Could you please send me some information about (The Arco), Hudson, Michigan. I have 16 different stationary engines, also an Arco. I bought it in Canada and had it shipped over to Holland and am anxious for any thing that will help me better know about this engine.'

FLOYD JENNER, 2003 Washington Street, Henderson, Kentucky 42420 sends us this picture of his Chicago Aermotor, 3 HP, gas engine. Floyd had this engine at the last Portland, Indiana show. While there, he spoke briefly to a gentleman from Canada, he thinks, who has an aermotor engine of this design. His is a 6 HP, though. Floyd didn't get his name, but would like for that gentleman to contact him. Please call collect: 502-827-3073.

GARY R. HARWOOD, R R 1, Box 143A, East Thompson, Connecticut 06277 is interested in acquiring any information on the Sattley 3 HP gas engine sold by Montgomery Ward & Company.

GEORGE S. CLARK, 254 Pond Point Avenue, Milford, Connecticut 06460 is making Charter Engines the center of his collection right now. Would anyone who has a Charter engine drop him a line and let him know, for he would like to make up a list of all known Charter engines.

Another limerick from WALT NIELAND, Route 2, Carroll, Iowa 51401. As I got to the Albert City show - At once I had to see every row - To right the engines were popping - To left the swappers were shopping - And my feet got tangled on the go!

K. G. ROMINE, R.D. 3, Box 591, South Point, Ohio 45680 has just finished restoring a small air-cooled hit and miss engine. He has been told by experienced collectors that it is an Ideal, 3/4 HP. There is no I.D. tag on it. Could someone tell him who made it, where it was made and does anyone have a reprint of the manual for it?

BOB BRIGGS, 7601 22nd Avenue, Kenosha, Wisconsin 53140 sends his thanks to all those from all over the United States, Canada and Australia who wrote in answer to his questions in the November-December Smoke Rings. He says, 'Many of the letters answered my questions about my engines and others asked for help on ignition systems. I am sure I have established some long lasting friendships. Like many others in the North Country, I have put my engines away for the winter. The grease is finally worn off of my hands. I was out in the garage, last Saturday, working on some Christmas decorations and uncovered my old Maytag washing machine. I gave it a kick and it started and ran the second time I tramped it. Anna Mae, my mother passed away and was laid to rest 13 years ago. Going through some of her old books, I ran across the attached verse, written in her hand. 'Don't Judge Too Hard' Don't find fault with the man who limps-Or stumbles along the road,-Unless you have worn the shoes he wears- Or struggled beneath his load,- There may be tacks in his shoes that hurt-Though hidden away from view,-Or the burden he bears, placed on your back,-Might cause you to stumble, too. Don't sneer at the man who's down today,-Unless you have felt the blow-That caused his fall, or felt the shame-That only the fallen know. You may be strong, but still the blows-That were his, if dealt on you,-In the self same way, at the self same time,-Might cause you to stagger, too. Don't be too harsh with the man who sins-Or pelt him with words or stones,- Unless you are sure, yes doubly sure,-That you have no sins of your own,-For you know perhaps, if the tempters voice-Should whisper as soft to you-As it did to him when he went astray,-T'would cause you to stumble, too.' (Thanks Bob for sharing that with us.)

From PAUL WILKINS, 7 Douglas Street, Mannum, South Australia, Australia 5238 - 'Here I am again writing to you asking you if you could please put a note in G.E.M. Recently I purchased a horizontal, air-cooled, single cylinder twin flywheel New Way engine made in Lansing, Michigan, U.S.A. There is no provision on the engine for an identification plate. The only number I could find on it is V706. It has a 5?' diameter bore, 7' stroke plus the crankcase cover has two small vents cut into it. Can readers tell me how old the engine is and what is the horsepower?

Chatting about his engines and giving some information is RAY THURMAN, Route 1, Fergus Falls, Minnesota 56537: 'I thought while I had the notion, I might as well write and let you know how I enjoy your magazine. I haven't been collecting very long, but have a 3 HP Fuller & Johnson, 1? HP New Way, both mint condition. Also 2 1? HP Internationals and 2 1? HP Fairbanks Morse, not in too good of condition as they need some repair work. I also have a What Is It? I thought it was a John Deere, but find out it isn't. Right now, I have it standing on end full of penetrating oil trying to loosen a frozen bucket. Is there anything that will loosen it up quicker?

What I started out to write about was in answer to Andrew Goodman's letter from Lincoln, Nebraska about his Model C Co-op tractor. I was going to write direct but thought maybe someone else could use the information also.

It was sold at one time by the Farmers Union and was a real good engine in its day. If I remember right, it had a Chrysler Industrial engine in it. If he can't get information around there, maybe he could write to Farmers Union Oil Co., Carrington, North Dakota 58421 and send a stamped self addressed envelope. Hope this helps!'

PHILIP MULLEN, Route 8, Box 188, Alexandria, Minnesota 56308 explains: 'I'm trying to find out the name of the person that has the production records for the Fuller & Johnson Company. I have a 2? HP hit and miss engine, Serial #84385 and would like to know what year it was built.' (Help fellas - I can't remember all these things, or always lay my hands right on the information as I would like to do.)

Many of you may be looking for new entertainment at the reunions - may I suggest you write EIFFEL G. PLASTERER, R. R. 5, Box 245, Huntington, Indiana 46750. Phone 219-356-6047. Eiffel was a good friend of Elmer Ritzman's and I remember meeting him one time in our town. He did a show at the high school while here. He does a Bubbles Concerto, an unusual and fantastic soap bubble exhibition - good entertainment for all ages. He has other types of entertainment and interesting diversions - why not write him and see for yourself? He is also knowledgable of steam equipment, sorghum mills, machine shops, etc. - a man of many interests.

ROBERT RIEBEL, R.R. 1, Box 163, Le Sueur, Minnesota 56058 chats a bit: 'Having been a member of the G.E.M. for a little over a year now, I wanted to tell you I sure enjoy reading it and have gotten a lot of good ideas. Thanks for putting out a good magazine that my two sons, 12 and 14 years old, can read and also learn from.

I would like information on the right color, or someone that might have a 1937 Huber with a Buda engine that could give me help on fixing my Huber - and restoring it! (Now, there's a chance to do a good deed for an engine buddy.)

The following is a letter from Herbert Jacobs, Facility Spring Coordinator, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to JAY HILL, 463 Ella Street, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15221. 'Dear Mr. Hill: Thank you for your letter of October 31, 1977 to Governor Shapp. He has asked me to reply. I have read the description of the Augustine Rotary Engine in the Gas Engine Magazine issue of September 10, 1976. There is one paragraph in the article which states 'the engine has been examined by hundreds of expert engineers who have pronounced it the most wonderful power producer in the world, and the demand for it has been enormous ever since the first engine was completed.' The seven passenger car pictured in the article appears to be an early 1920 model and since the only rotary engine I know of that is on the market today is the Wankel, I wonder if the Wankel is patterned after the Augustine. It might be interesting to note that my daughter has a Mazda with a Wankel rotary engine in it and does not get anywhere near the mileage referred to in the article.'

From ED D. EDWARDS, 22766 Islamare, El Toro, California 92630 comes some answers and some chatting; 'In the Smoke Rings section of the Jan.-Feb. issue of G.E.M. on page 16, Franklin Eggers, Nezperce, Idaho 83543 has inquired about a Monitor buzz saw made in Evansville, Wisconsin. These were manufactured by Baker Manufacturing Co., Evansville, Wisconsin. The original color of all the horizontal Monitor engines is medium grey with white pin striping.

I believe they used the horizontal Monitor engines on all the portable buzz saw outfits. Baker Manufacturing also makes vertical engines and they were painted different colors. An 11 page book on Monitor engines is reprinted and available from Jean Metcalf, 7924 Depot Road, Ashtabula, Ohio 44004. It doesn't show the buzz saw outfits, but it does show the horizontal and vertical Monitors and all the parts of each. As to what size Monitor engine ran the saw, my guess would be either a 5 or 8 HP Monitor engine, but probably an 8 HP version for that size saw rig. I hope this will be of some help.

Also on page 17 of the same G.E.M., Kenneth Pletan, Wendell, Minnesota 56590 was looking for information on hydraulic water rams for elevating spring water. Two companies still make water rams in several sizes. Rife Rams and Davey Rams. He should write to Rife Hydraulic Engine Manufacturing Co., Rife Ram & Pump Works, Box 367, Millburn, New Jersey 07041. They will send a free brochure to you and if you give them the details on the flow of your spring, etc. they will tell you which of the rams would be best for your particular situation.

The Davy Ram will pump (without any gas or electricity) and elevate the water from 5 to 10 times that of the 'Head' supply, maximum of 100' of elevation. The larger Rife Rams do even better.'

CLARE R. BAUGHMAN, 5897 East H Avenue, Kalamazoo, Michigan 49004 sends along this letter in hopes of hearing from some of the GEM family: 'About four years ago I purchased my first gas engine - a 2 HP Hercules. The gentleman I got it from loaned me a few issues of G.E.M. That was my downfall. I immediately sent in my subscription and now can't wait for it to come - seems so long between issues. I find many interesting articles and lots of valuable information in this fine magazine.

I never thought that anything like gas engines could get in one's blood but it really did and now I have 19 engines, a 1938 Model B John Deere tractor and 4 model engines that I built. I have a trailer and exhibit my engines at the shows in this area where I meet so many nice people.

At the present time I am looking for someone out there in Gas Engine Land who has a 3 HP Ward sideshaft engine and would correspond with me regarding same. The crank guard and the muffler are missing on my Ward sideshaft engine Serial #3837. Type GE BHP 3. Perhaps someone with a complete engine would send me a picture. Also, I would like to know the place of manufacture.

Thank you for your fine work in making such a great magazine available to us gas engine addicts. God bless you.'

CAROL COON, Reference Librarian of Bay Area Reference Center, San Francisco Public Library, Civic Center, San Francisco, California 94102 writes: 'I am trying to help a patron who needs repair information on an engine made by Bates and Edmonds Motor Company of Lansing, Michigan. He says it is about 75 years old, 1? HP, gasoline-powered engine, no spark plug or magneto, 4 cycle, single cylinder, water-cooled. 'Bulldog' is stamped on the side, 'make and break' type ignition.

I am unable to find the company listed in our current directories so I am hoping you may be able to offer some advise on the repair of this type of engine or could you refer me to someone who might know.

Thank you for any information you can give us - it is greatly appreciated.

JOHN W. BOYENS, 3711 South Hampton Drive, Bettendorf, Iowa 52722 sends us this picture of a gas engine that he traded for last month. He hadn't seen it - only knew that it was an air-cooled vertical and was missing some parts. Missing are: carburetor, governor, timing device, fuel pump, muffler and main sub base. He believes it is a Famous vertical air-cooled, 2 HP. Does anyone have an engine of this type that would let him use the parts to case from to complete this one and get it running? All letters will be returned.

From BEN J. KINSINGER, R. D. 1, Box 234A, Meyersdale, Pennsylvania 15552: 'I wonder if any of the readers would be interested in a service directory. A book like this would be of help to the restoring man who could check index for mag repair, bearing babbiting, gas tanks made, rings, etc. I would like any information on New Holland engines - like date made, price, etc.'

LARRY HOCHSTEIN, Box 162, Wynot, Nebraska 68792 is counting on you folks to help him: 'I would like to ask the fellows if they would help me out with a Monitor 1? HP, serial #29283. Information is needed about the color, year made and one missing piece on the ignition.

Would also like to thank Kenneth Moore of Newfield, N.J. for identifying the remains of an engine I have as a 5 HP Galloway. I'm able, with his help, to send along an ad for missing parts for this engine. Thanks much!' (see ad under Wanted)

Information needed for ROBERT PURCELL, 261 R Main Street, Wayland, Massachusetts 01778: 'Recently I was given an old engine when I was cleaning a basement in an old New England farmhouse. I would like any information as to worth of the engine now and what was its original use.



New York, Philadelphia, Boston

No. S 8047 HP - 1?

This is the information on the identification plate. I also have the original owners manual (though partially decayed from being stored in the battery box) and the original packing slip from the DOMESTIC ENGINE & PUMP CO., Shippens burg, Pa. dated: 8-30-1913.

The engine is mounted on Hoffer Engine Skids, and the entire assembly is complete and with original paint and pin striping intact. The engine is still free enough to be turned over by hand and even the hand crank is in excellent condition. I doubt the engine ever had much use and looks to be easily restorable to immaculate running order. I would greatly appreciate any information that could be supplied to me. Thank you very much and I hope to be hearing from you very soon.'

EARL SHEESLEY, 361 Corner Ketch Road, Downington, Pennsylvania 19335 is expecting to hear an answer to his letter: 'I think I need some help from the Smoke rings section. For several months I have been advertising without success for information on 'Rockford' engines. I am trying to rebuild one now in my possession. In the March-April 1970 issue of G.E.M., page 35, there is a picture of the exact type I am working on, submitted by Gerald F. Hoffman, 313 E. Peru Street, Princeton, Illinois and taken at Mount Pleasant, Iowa Midwest Thresher Show in 1968. I would very much like to see this engine and would travel any place in the United States to do so. If the present owner would contact me, or if anyone knows the present owner, and would give me this information I would appreciate it very much.' (I'm assuming you did try and get in touch with Gerald Hoffman and received no answer, right Earl? - so anyone that can help, he's waiting to hear from you.)

'Please Help!' is the cry from ELBERT STUMP, 915 Lawn Avenue, Sellersville, Pennsylvania 18960. He would like to hear from someone with a 12 HP Columbus gas engine. He needs to know the distance the piston extends beyond the cylinder when the crank is farthest out and also when it is farthest in. SEE WANT AD.

Some information comes to you readers from LOREN E. LIPPOLDT, Route 1, Box 58, Kinsley, Kansas 67547: 'I think I have some information that might be useful to those who are about to restore Fairbanks Morse engines. For data on the year your engine was built, write to: COLT Industries International, Inc., Attn: R. G. Humpries, Renewal Sales, 701 Lawton Avenue, Beloit, WI 53511.

For those seeking parts, write to: Fairbanks Morse, Inc., Warehouse Operation, P. O. Box 55, Laredo, Texas 78040, Attention: Mr. Grecorio Carmona.

I am 64 and am retired and tired. I have collected about 40 old gas engines in the last five years. I have 12 of them nearly restored, and I am restoring three more. I do this to help me pass the time in my retirement years.

I am in correspondence with other gas engine collectors in Australia, Canada and the United States. I also collect empty beer cans and have about 150 of them. I have received beer cans from a girl gas engine collector in Minnesota; and I have been offered beer cans from a gas engine collector in Australia.

I have about 15,000 U.S. and foreign postage stamps. I have had pictures of some of my gas engines in 6 different publications.

I sold all of my farmland and I kept the 2? acre farmstead, here, where I live.

We have had a rather mild winter, so far. We have only had a slight trace of snow, twice. It has been down to zero, once. It gets up into the 40s most afternoons.

This is nearly level country; and about the only thing between us and the North Pole is a barbed wire fence.

There are only 6,000 souls in the whole country. I am the only gas engine collector in the county. GOD BLESS'

ROBERT YOUNG, 54 Sound Avenue, Riverhead, Long Island, New York 11901 is eagerly awaiting information on an International 8-16 as he wants to restore one that will add to his collection of 11 engines. He is a farmer and is always interested in how other folks find and restore tractors and engines that were made years ago.

From GARY D. McCHESNEY, Raquette Lake, New York 13436: 'I have been collecting gas engines for about 10 years now and have quite a few. In the summer of 1977, I acquired a Rider and Ericsson hot air pumping engine from a man who lives on Raquette Lake and had used the engine up to about 10 years ago. It took me most of that time to talk him into selling it. Finally we settled on a price and the work began. I borrowed a barge and with the help of my son and some of his friends, we dismantled the engine and loaded in on the barge for the 6 mile trip down the lake to my house. All the parts were there, so it only took a couple of hours to put it back together. I built a fire in the fire box and low and behold, after about 30 minutes I turned it over a couple of times and it started to pump water. I spent my hours cleaning and painting and setting up a barrel to pump water from. Enclosed is a picture taken at the Flywheel & Pulley's Engine Show in Constableville, New York on 9/11/77. That is my dad on the right behind the engine, Duane McChesney. The engine is a Rider & Ericsson, 6' bore, rebuilt in 1912, serial #18961. I would like to hear from other hot air engine owners or anyone interested in hot air or gas engines.'

From MR. & MRS. LEWIS SUMPTER, 24871 Lehama-Vina Road, Los Molinos, California 96055 write: 'We enjoy your magazine very much and look forward to each issue long before they come in the mail. We are looking for information on a Sears Roebuck wood saw with 7 HP Economy gas engine on a metal frame. The gas engine is a hit and miss and has a horseshoe magneto, the oiler pipe runs down the middle of the water jacket. The wood saw has a sliding table. The gas engine and saw are all on one frame. We would like to know when this type of saw and gas engine was manufactured and sold.

Thanks again for your good magazine. We learn something each time we read it. I hope your readers will have some information for us.'

DAVID L. SICKLER, JR., R.D. 1, Woodstown, New Jersey 08098, phone 609-769-2066 is seeking information on a Bessimer 25-30 Hp engine which runs on natural gas. He is in the process of restoring it. He is especially interested in data on a hot ball and or ignitor system.

NORRIS WOOTEN, Route 10, Box 193, Statesville, North Carolina 28677 says: 'I recently bought a used farm tractor. It is a Leader, equipped with a four cylinder Hercules gas engine, motor #27204. I'm interested in knowing where I might find a Hercules distributor near my home town.' (Anyone know?)

GEORGE LEEPER, R.R. 1, Kingston, Missouri 64650 writes: 'I am a collector of John Deere tractors. I'm especially interested in the G.P. widetreads. I am compiling a list of serial numbers of widetread tractors. I would like for any of your readers who have one of these tractors to send me the serial number. If they would include SASE I would send them the list when I get it completed. I think it will be interesting to see just how many of this model still exist today.

Always enjoy your magazine. I collect GEM too!'

Here's a note from VINCENT CHAPMAN, 2315 S. Birmingham PL, Tulsa, Oklahoma 74114: 'I was very interested in reading about the 80 HP Maytag engine mentioned in Mr. Ritter's letter. A farmer south of town has one that I have been trying to buy for years. He refuses to sell because he uses it to run his cream separator. For starting it, he uses whichever one of his two cows that is dry. He says the only trouble he has is getting the cow in the barn loft.

I have a 1? HP Hercules SN #210387 and two 1? HP Economys SN #35694 and #143339. Does anyone in Gas Engine Land know the year of manufacture? Also I have a 7 HP upright Monitor SN #10143, a 1? HP Sattley with a Webster Tripolar Oscillator SN #13190, a 2 HP Stover open crank with a Webster Tripolar Oscillator SN #Y138455. Does anyone know the year of manufacture of these engines?

I show my engines at the Pawnee, Oklahoma show. We had 80 engines last year and hope to have more this year. Bring yourself and an engine or two and have a good time. Show dates are July 14, 15 and 16.

JAMES R. STEWART, Box 44, R.D. 9, Chambersburg, Pa. 17201 asks: 'I am writing to find out if anyone can tell me how many years it takes before an engine is considered an antique. The reason for this question is that I have started to collect Briggs & Stratton engines of the cast iron variety and I understand that they quit making the cast iron engine in 1954, so this would make the late models 24 years old - would they be considered antiques yet?' (I don't know, would they - I'd say they would have to be older than that, but you could hold on to them awhile - hey, that makes a lot of antique people, doesn't it? Wonder how much we're worth?)

I got a subscription to your fine magazine as a Christmas gift and enjoy it very much.

STANLEY B. VOORHEES, SR., R.D. 2, Hudson, New York 12534 is seeking some answers and thanks you in advance for the letters he is confident he will receive: 'I would appreciate some information that I hope your readers can provide. I am a long time reader of G.E.M. but a first-time writer to your magazine. I have been a subscriber since 1969 and have appreciated all the information that I have received throughout the years.

I have about 55 restored engines, all in running condition, but my favorite is a 2 HP Hercules because of its sentimental memories. My father bought it in 1917 for $37.00. It was a multi-purpose little engine. My mother used it to run a White Lily washing machine, and when the weather failed to provide wind for the Aermotor to operate the windmill, we used it to pump water.

In the early 1930s my brother and I had the Hercules running a 2-hole corn sheller. I remember one winter we shelled about 1800 bushels of corn, and the corn sold for about 56? a bu.

My father also had a York engine that I wish I had, but he loaned it out, and to my knowledge it was never returned.

Enough reminiscing, I better get back to my original reason for writing. I need some information on dates and ages of the following: the date of a 2 HP Woodpecker, serial #575; the age of a 6 HP Wisconsin, made by Lauton and Larsen, serial #511. This is a sideshaft engine with an ignitor on the back; the age of a #1 1? HP Olds, Type 'A', Shop No. I-8815; the age of a 5 HP Type 'P' New Holland, serial #3214; and the age of a Type 'P' 2 HP New Holland, serial #6486. Thank you.

WALTER E. SCHRAGE, 1219 Lawn Avenue, New Haven, Indiana 46774 says he has received letters asking we put his information to readers in the column again: 'If anyone wants year of IHC, 1904 to 1916 - 1 to 50 HP Moguls, 1 to 50 HP Titan, Mogul, Jr., Famous, Victor, Tom Thumb, nonpariel Famous -please send part number, S/N prefix letters, HP IHC M-1?-3-6-10 HP spoke flywheel McDeering. L-IHC -one flywheel S/N, HP - 1? HP; LA-LB 1? 2? 3-5 H? S/N prefix letter. Specify if 3-5 closed flywheel and radiator calley Hay Press. Years for Maytags - Send base length and height of fuel tank for FY-ED 4 -Models 11-16-19-26-31-N1M09 BG 111-92-92M (has elbow offset long B/S 82) 2 different mags and base sizes. Vertical Elgin and Maytag specify Mag or timer S/N - Twin 72D Wico, Twin 720 Eisemann, none mfg. 1943, 1944, 1945 - War II products. Twin 72 DS, 6 and 7 digits need S/N. I don't buy stamps. SASE for answer.'

B. C. CUSHING, 106 Anderson Hall, College of Idaho, Caldwell, Idaho 83605 wants to share: 'I have always had a problem with cleaning brass until a fellow up at the Gapville, Vermont show told, and showed me about some metal cleaner used by race drivers. The stuff is quite good, best I've found and very economical. It is called Auto World Metal Shine Magic Wadding from Auto World  Inc., 701 N. Keyser Avenue, Scranton, Pa. 18508.

I usually don't push products, but when there is one that is far superior - I tell of it. It costs $1.50 for a can and $1.50 for shipping (regardless of number of cans). I would strongly suggest trying this product on brass especially. I hope this helps someone as I sure am glad I was told.

My new toy is a 1928 John Deere GP. I found in the New Hampshire woods where it was being used to saw wood and it was still being used until I got it. It is the 366th one made (from J. D. serial numbers). Everyone in my home town of Grafton, Vermont came and checked it out. My father, a friend, Franklin Perry and myself brought it home and unloaded it on Christmas Day.

As I've said before and probably will again - thanks for a great magazine and helping to foster good spirits among gas engine hobbyists. My home address is Grafton, Vermont 05146.'

WALTER L. TURMAN, 4002 Richland Avenue N.W., Roanoke, Virginia 24012 heralds everyone with: 'Happy New Year to Gas Engine Magazine and everyone in Gas Engine Land. I recently found and bought an old Stover engine without identification plate and would appreciate information as I am in the process of restoring this engine. Would like to know about the original color, horsepower, rpm, etc. Engine is equipped with a Webster Tripolar Mag with igniter, 3' diameter flywheels, 6' bore, 8' stroke.' (He'll be awaiting your letters., friends.)

BILL STARKEY, 6701 Dorsey Road, Laytonsville, Maryland 20760 has been so busy he has not had time to compile the third annual list of farm machinery literature for sale. He wants to apologize to ail you good folks for not getting it out this past year and wants you to know it will be out sometime this year. Those who have asked for it will receive a copy.

Others will learn of it from an ad in the magazines.

From TOMSTOSKOPF, Route 2, Waverly, Iowa 50677, a few thoughts: 'I have a 3? HP Rock Island engine, serial #A-65863 - could anyone tell me the year built and the original color? Also, does a Monitor saw rig take a vertical or horizontal engine and what size?' (Please answer.)

GARY ROOKUS, 1266 Whiting S.W., Wyoming, Michigan 49509 needs some information on an engine he recently purchased. He writes: 'The engine is air-cooled and is horizontal type. If you look at the engine from the flywheel end of the engine, the fan is on the left side of the engine and is run with belt to flywheel. The flywheels are 11' in diameter and the engine length is 20' overall. All parts have the letter J cast in them, such as on the muffler is cast J20. The valves come out through two plugs on top of the engine. This, I would guess, is considered a headless engine. The paint on the engine is red. It is about a 1 HP engine. I would appreciate any information on this engine, as there is no name tag on it.' (Help guys!)

JON SEIZLER, P.O. Box 26, Bagley, Minnesota 56621 wants to speak to you through SMOKE RINGS: 'IHC Collectors! I would like to organize a National IHC gasoline engine meet and show. The bigger, the better! I have already talked to a few people who are interested. If we get enough interest, we would like to get one together for this summer. If any of you IHC owners are interested in attending, please write me at above address. Come on fellas, let's see several hundred letters, as that is the only way we can get a Meet and Show to go - thousands attending is better. So any owners of any style of IHC engine, tractor or even trucks - Let's get together! (Sounds like it might be interesting to IHC lovers - but I don't see how it could be done for this sunner, Jon - but best wishes on the project.)

DONALD O'CONNOR, R.D. 2, Box 227, Williamantic, Connecticut 06226 sends us these pictures of his early American woodsplitter, which he found last October. It was owned by Mr. Albert Coolidge of Hebron, Connecticut, who did a very excellent job of rebuilding almost all the wood on it. 'I gather that when he first got it she was just a lot of pieces. Anyway, was my wife ever thrilled. She hadn't been so excited since I dragged home a real shabby looking 'Domestic' Gas Engine, not too long before this either. My timing was a little off, two big expenses close together in the same year. The machine was manufactured by Hildreth Bros, of Harvard, Massachusetts. We don't have any date, but it's a double, both sides work. The engine shown running, is a 1906 Famous Hopper cooled. We had the serial number checked out by Mr. Walter 'Doc' Schrage, who must be pretty disgusted with me by now, as I haven't written him in a long, long time.'

DALE VOLGAMORE, R.R. 1, Almena, Kansas 67622 needs some help from the readers: 'I have a 4 cyl.

Kohler light plant engine Model D 6537, 110 volt, DC 1500 watts, 1000 rpm - anything concerning age and vital specifications. I have written the Kohler Company and their response has been very disappointing. Also anything on a Fairbanks Morse Z, style D, self-oiling 2 HP engine, serial #881592.

I have read of people wanting a method of freeing rusted and seized parts. I have put a whole engine in a tank of water for several weeks and have always been able to remove pistons and valves. You should remove all of the parts you can first, then the water seems to soften the rust and doesn't harm the engine.' (Now, isn't that something, I'd think it would make them get more rusty.)

A newcomer writes - from JUNIOR OLSON, Box 26, Leland, Illinois 60531: 'Have received two copies of G.E.M. which I have read and re-read many times. It is sure a great magazine! I'm patiently waiting for the next issue.

'Have just finished restoring this small gas engine pictured and am wondering if anyone of your Smoke Ring readers can identify it - it is tank-cooled, bore is 2?', stroke 3'. It is headless, has brass connecting rod, I drip oiler, 3 grease cups, flywheels are 10'. It has removable main bearings, cylinder is also removable 4-?' screws. It uses Champion plug Model T and buzz coil. It has chain driver camshaft and small brass carburetor. Has holes for nameplate but it is missing. Also has roller rocker arms.'

CRAIG T. WILEY, R.D. 1, Box 270, Polk, Ohio 44866 sends us a picture of his engine with this writing: 'I must say I enjoy reading Gas Engine Magazine very much. I have just renewed my subscription. I'm writing in hopes that maybe some fellow readers can give me some information. Enclosed is a picture of my one and only engine. It is a 1? HP Worthington engine, made in Milwaukee at the gas engine works of the Worthington Pump and Machinery Corp. The serial number is 41573. I guess some Worthingtons were called 'Engico' if I'm not mistaken, however, this is not one of those. I acquired the engine about three years ago when I was 16 years old. I asked the owner how much he would take for it, and since he knew me, the man told me I could just have it if I would fix it up, so I loaded it up and hauled it home. The engine sure was a sight-so much dirt and manure on it you could not even see the mag or reduction gears. I don't know how long it had been since the engine had been used, but in two months time it was running like new. I think there is supposed to be a tin or iron splash guard over the rod but it is missing. The reason I'm writing is so perhaps someone can give me some information on this engine, especially age of the engine. Thanks, and I hope to hear from someone- I've never seen much mention of the name 'Worthington' in G.E.M., so I hope someone can tell me something about it.'

And with that, dear people, I am going to close and hope Spring shows up real early this year - May God Bless You and Make You a Blessing!