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Hi Dear Folks - betcha you're getting restless to get a'goin to see what's alive in '75 at the Re unions-well, I have a lot of letters, questions, suggestions, etc. but to begin with, I'm going to use a letter I pondered over quite awhile as to whether to put it in the column. You know this column is your medium of exchanging views and helps, tips, and information to each other and we too here are interested, even if we don't understand as well as some of you folks what each item is about. However, at times, I tend to bring in my family and my life style and I never want to bore anyone or bring you oodles of words you may not be interested in-this letter sort of boosted me on telling my views, however I'm sure it does not speak for all of you, nor would I expect it to, but-ANYHOW From HARTZELL COPE, Route 4, Cadiz, Ohio 43907 -it goes like this: 'Many times when you start your Smoke Rings column you will cut your part short to get on with the many letters and that is a mistake as that is a very important part, when you write of your family and their joys and trials - you add a most important ingredient to any column, the Homey past. Most people can report cold hard facts, but it takes that personal touch to make it right. I think this is especially true for the type of people you are reaching. Keep up the good work. I think I shall just have to tell you the thing that assures me the Branyan family is definitely my style of family. When I called you home one afternoon, I talked with your daughter and when she told me you were not at home, I asked her when she expected you. She said, 'About supper time,' - Not five o'clock or Six o'clock, just 'About Supper Time'. I thought that was just the nicest way it could have been said. It told me she had a generous helping of God and Country in her make-up.' (See what I mean - some of you will be glad I included Hartzell's letter, some of you won't, as for me, it surely gave my spirit a lift. And now onto the letters from our Gas Engine Family.)

GEORGE KOSDORF, SR., 704 South Sixth Street, Goshen, Indiana 46526 is looking for some help with his recently acquired engine, as follows:

'Last August my wife and I journeyed into Pennsylvania to pick up an engine. It is now safely here and in the process of being restored. Fortunately it was in fair condition. The maker according to the nameplate was Bovaird and Seyfang. It is 5 HP, air cooled and is a vertical, hot tube ignition and fueled by natural gas.

I have written to Bovaird and Seyfang but they have been absorbed by Clark Co. in the 30's. I did get a very nice reply from a Mr. F. D. Struchen and he said they had no knowledge of such an engine. So ... I would like to hear from anyone who has such an engine or who knows anything about this engine. I think I can get in operation without any trouble but one thing puzzles me most, it has two exhausts. Were they piped into one common muffler or separate?

I might add, it was used in the oil fields and others are still being used. It was only through the efforts of a friend that I was able to obtain this engine as it had not officially been retired.'

RICHARD AYRE, R. D. 1, Box 224, Drums, Pennsylvania 18222 has just purchased a Peerless gas engine made in Lansing, Michigan. It is a side shaft with overflow carburetor and governor hit and miss. This engine sat outside for 10 to 12 years and is stuck and there are a few parts missing. He is hoping someone out in Engine Land, with a Peerless, will write to him and help him out with the governor and the timer - let him know what he is to do -.

A short note from DUANE ROHDE, Valley City, North Dakota 58072 - 'I have a 1-3/4 HP engine made by the John Smyth Company of Chicago, Illinois -What is it?' (Got the answer? let him know). (Come to think of it, I think there is a John Smyth engine - that's probably what it is).

JIM HICKEY, 1336 Peach Ave., El Cajon, California 92021 tells us: 'I have two Sattley gasoline engines (sold by Montgomery Wards). One is a hit and miss 2 HP and the other is a throttle-governed 3 HP. Will anyone who has any information on the Sattley engines please contact me as I would like to gather all the data I can on this brand.'

A plea for Help comes from JOSEPH SIEGEL, R.R.2, Box 252. Mascoutah, Illinois 62258 - 'I have an oil engine which states on a brass plate (The L. M. Rumsey Mfd. Co. #78, St. Louis, Missouri). Surrounding the brass plate is printed (St. Mary's Engine Co., St. Marys, Ohio). Would like to know age, horsepower, r.p.m. - it has a bore of 6' and 8-1/2' stroke. I would like to hear from someone with an engine this size.'

JAMES R. WYCUFF, R. R. 3, Box 200, Wapakoneta, Ohio 45895 has been appointed Chairman of the Steam and Gas Engines committee for the Cracker Barrel Days. This will be their second attempt at a Show. They had a small one last year and are hoping to grow somewhat this year. It will be held at Wapakoneta Fair Grounds. I think James would appreciate a letter from a couple of you folks that are more familiar with this type of thing - as they are really trying to organize. (Good luck James, and we'll be looking to hear from you in the future).

A short letter from A. A. CRAFTS, 321 N. Firestone Blvd., Akron, Ohio 44301 and he asks: 'Does anyone have information and or a picture of the single cylinder, opposed piston engine made by the 'Ligthing (or could he mean Lighting?) Products Co.' of St. Louis, Mo. in the early 1900s?.' And he adds- 'Thanks for a fine magazine, I have every one from Vol. 1 No. 1' . . . And Thank you, Sir!

EDWARD CARLSON, Route 9, Box 46, Alva, Oklahoma 73717 has a suggestion for the shows - He thinks it would be advisable to have a man on Baker fan with a speed indicator to get revolutions each engine pulls - he feels it would be more exciting and entertaining probably would be - I would imagine they do have some way to compare the engines on the Baker fan - don't they?

From ART ANDERSON, 25275 Ipava Avenue, Lakeville, Minnesota 55044 - 'I herewith offer a small pittance of information to my fellow GEM readers. The first is for John Freeman of Goose Creek, Ohio - to him I say - You very likely have a Model L Waukesha engine 4-1/2 x 5-1/4, 1200 R.P.M. 30.47 drawbar, 43.24 belt HP by Nebraska test #291.

The next is for Maxwell E. Eaton of Middlebury, Vermont. He should find the serial number on his Fordson tractor just below the front end of the exhaust manifold -that is where they were stamped.

Now, for some more help for myself and my Allis-Chalmers Model E 20-35 - it has 2 speeds forward and 1 reverse, Donaldson air cleaner, Eisemann magneto, but no way to advance or retard the spark while running. Serial number is stamped thus 4 394 3; Al Herman of Portland, Oregon says there is one out there but they call it a Model M.

I got a nice letter from I. R. Steiner of Mt. Cory, Ohio who also has a Model E, but his is a 25-40.

Also, had a nice letter from Ted Worrall of Loma, Montana - G.E.M. gets around, doesn't it? - Ted says the Model E was a 5 inch bore, but mine is 4-3/4 inch bore so this gets more confusing all the time.

Now, there must be someone out there in GEMLAND that has a complete history of Allis-Chalmers that could find it in his heart to write an article in so noble a magazine as G.E.M. that would set us all straight on this. If it would help, my tractor has a casting number on the block #AM 1153-2 and a Kingston carburetor. It would be nice to know when this tractor was built. This is my reply to Smoke Rings Nov.-Dec. 1974 column.'

BRIAN STAUSS, Walnut Grove, Route 1, Box 41, Alvaton, Kentucky 42122 writes: 'On one of my frequent visits to the local junkyard, I saved an old engine from sure death. It is a Delco-Remy Light Plant, Model B-6, 6 volts, 150 watts, Serial #18897. The piston is about 1-1/2 inches with about a 1-1/2 inch stroke. I have never seen or heard any mention in GEM of this engine. I was wondering if anyone out there is Gas Land could help me out with age, horsepower and any specifications. I will answer all letters.'

A note from one of our new subscribers, LLOYD HERMSEN, 117 S. Birch St., Kimberly, Wisconsin 54136 - 'I am a new subscriber to the Gas Engine Magazine and I really like it a lot. I have a 1929 GP Huber and 3 Model B John Deeres to restore. I also have a Novo 2 horse, vertical engine, 600 revs, Serial No. 23374. I would like any help from your other readers as to the age of this engine, and is it a rare one? I found it out in the woods and it runs perfect.'

JOHN DAVIDSON, Box 4, Bristol, Wisconsin 53104 is making a roster of Field Brundage engines. Everyone sending name, horsepower and serial number will get a copy of roster when completed.

From VICTOR M. ARMAN, Box 86, Hannibal, Ohio 43931 comes a letter to 'pep up our ego' -and he also has a request -

I can not say enough in praise of your magazine. It is a clearing house of fond memories among the older folks on antique engines and machinery as well as an educational magazine to the younger generation. It is wonderful to see the interest young people take in the steam and gas shows all over the country. Without these shows and your magazines the link with the colorful era of their ancestors would quickly be lost. And that would be a tragedy.

Since a good Hoosier came up with the poem 'When The Frost Is On The Pumpkin' in the Jan.-Feb. issue of GEM, I am wondering if there might be somebody among your mid-western readers who knows the song in which the words 'Out Where The West Begins' appears. I heard the song when visiting along the upper Mississippi in the late 1920's and that is all I can remember of it. Would appreciate this information.

Keep the old engines puffing. It is a sound of joy.

If anyone should have pictures, stories, etc. on the old Water Mills where the mill wheel ground grain and sawed lumber, I think it would add another wonderful dimension to our heritage.

HAROLD FOX, 515 W. 1st Street, St. Ansgar, Iowa 50472 would like some help - 'I have an old engine that I do not know the name of - it is small and air-cooled. I saw a picture of one in the Nov.-Dec. 1970 Gas Engine Magazine on page 16 and also in the Jan.-Feb. 1975 magazine on page 16 that looks like it. We know this engine we have is about 100 years old. The decal is disfigured and can't be read. One man told me the engine was made for the Duro Pump Company, but did not know who made the engine. If you can help me, please let me know.' (If you can answer him, Friends, please do).

DON STANLEY, Junction City Trailer Sale, Inc. 750 Hwy. 99 S. Junction City, Oregon 97448 just bought a 1-1/4 HP Peterson up right gas engine, very unusual - and he would like to know where to write for a booklet on this engine.

Fourteen Horse-Power Engine running Rock Crusher.Courtesy of Lutes Electric, 300 West Broadway, Winchester, Kentucky, 40391

6 Horse-Power Gasoline Engine running 16-Inch Feed Cutter

Courtesy of Lutes Electric, 300 West Broadway, Winchester Kentucky 40391

A suggestion comes from L. F. ULRICH, Box 105, Spalding, Saskatchewan, Canada as he tells us: I think a good article for your magazine would be photos and general run-down of a Rumely, let's say a 1928, 25-50 or something similar, even older, covering timing, carburetor speeds, cooling, etc. Also the building of small combining machines would be nice, about the 4 to 6 foot one's and the building of small threshing machines. Some of us older fellows would have something to plan by.' (Well, what about it, Guys, I do know we have had lots of Rumely pictures and I'm sure some articles, but evidently not what he is looking for - or if you know of any past articles we have had, perhaps you could let him know - I have no Index on my stories, so it would be hard for me to sit down and look for all these requests).

A note from JON SELZLER, R. R. 2, Bemidji, Minnesota 56601 - 'I have just bought a 2-1/2 HP ignitor type Gades and would like help as to its original colors and striping, if any, and as to what the original battery box looked like. Also I would like to hear from owners of Independent Harvester, side shaft engines. I would like their serial numbers and horsepower. I have one and would like to exchange correspondence.''

A member of Gas Engine Family writes: 'We've been GEM sub scribers for two years and have read every issue a dozen times word by word. We have accumulated 50 engines in 18 months. Recently two engines have turned up that we need help and information for. One is a very nice 3 HP tank cooled 'Perkins' and the other is a very sad 'Ingeco' 2-1/2 HP made in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I would be glad to correspond with anyone having information to share on these two engines. Write GLENN A. KARCH, Route 2, Haubstadt, Indiana 47639.'

An interesting missal from TONY ANTON, 118 N. Gunther Place, Santa Ana, California 92703, another member of our GEM Family - 'It has been about a year since I wrote a few lines to you and I still believe G.E.M. is the best morale booster for me. Although I'm still a long ways from getting my 'thumpers' finished, reading about other owners searches and successes keeps me hooked.

I would like to correspond with anyone who could help me restore a 3 HP (Olds) engine I found. It had been converted to run on natural gas, so the original gasoline mixing valve or carburetor is missing. I would like to get a sketch or see a photo of this unit so 1 can know what to look for or make a duplicate. I believe this engine is very old. It is tank-cooled, hit and miss, and the intake valve is held shut when exhaust valve is held open on (miss) cycles. Both valves are vertical. Originally painted dark red, but I can find no sign of stripe or decals. I could use some information about this. Bore is 4', stroke is 6' with 28-1/4' diameter flywheels.

1 would like to pass on some tips about enamel to your readers. For six years, I've been using a product called Poxy Coating, that is nearly indestructible. Neither heat, acid, alcohol or other chemicals seem to affect it and when sprayed on it dries to a brilliant gloss that you just wipe off to keep it clean. I've used it on auto engines, on units that operate at temperatures to 300 degrees F. with no problems. It is a true epoxy enamel, so you must mix it and use according to directions and clean your paint gun right away when finished. It comes in about 18 different colors, mfg. by Permalite Plastics, 1537 Monrovia, Newport Beach, California.

LEE McCLAIN, 3300 Giant Road, San Pablo, California 94804 would like some advice - 'I enjoy your magazine very much, especially the articles on Rumely Oilpull tractors. I imagine there are a lot of people bought them and never ran one, like myself. I bought a 20 x 35 and don't know what type oil to use in the radiator, also how heavy of oil to use in transmission and the engine. I do know the engine takes a detergent, I think - I may be wrong about that. Sometime could you print an article on this subject? My engine is a Light Weight.' (Well, it sounds like Lee is really doubtful as to what to do - please help him and perhaps you could send the information here too, in form of an article.)

In one of my letters, one of our interested readers mentioned that in some recent articles in our magazine, he got the feeling that some younger people are under the impression that all tractors are Oil-Pulls. This is not quite true. Oil Pull was a trade name used only by Advance-Rumely Com. Other companies used such trade names as Creeping Grip, Caterpillar, Common Sense, Cub, Bear, Big Four, Farm Horse, Iron Horse, Little Chief, Auto Plow, Little Oak, Mogul, Titan, Prairie Dog, Flour City, Four in One, Steel Mule, Hired Man and many others - just to keep things right. Did you know that?

A memo from DICK SHEETS, 430 Perry Street, Pemberville, Ohio 43450 writes: 'I enjoy reading Gas Engine Magazine and get very good information from it. I like the 1-1/2 to 3 HP size engines. Maybe this note will help someone with a frozen piston. I have had two pistons frozen in the blocks of the engines. I removed all of the parts and took a flame thrower and heated the block slowly, but got it hot. Then with a block of wood, cut to fit the piston size, I could drive the piston out very easily. The heat expanded the metal and they came out with no broken parts at all.

I like articles on helping hints. There are tricks to all trades and many of these tricks are worth knowing. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but an old dog can teach a young dog, and I am a young dog.

I have an air-cooled United gas engine Type A, 2 HP, No. 83177. I'd like to make a new rocker arm for it, but I don't know where to get a pattern. Any help will be appreciated.

J. F. POLLARD, R.R. 2, Vankleek Hill, Ontario, Canada has something to say to the readers -'In answer to Mr. Frank D. Young's letter, G.E.M. Nov.-Dec. page 14. I have an Economy 1-3/4 HP engine, bought in March 1929 for $81.00 new at Robert Simpsons, now Simpson Sears. Mr. D. Young describes it exactly which is the opposite of Steven Stumps article of Sept.-Oct. G.E.M. So now I wonder if Hercules made it. There is no make name on mine. I have the parts list book for this KX Model 1-3/4, 2-1/2, 3-1/2, 6 and 8 HP disk wheels, three holes and painted red. They were a very good engine, well made and well finished. In the forty-six years I have had mine, I have put six spark plugs, 7/8 plug type, three head gaskets, a governor weight and a cam roller pin. I only wish that I had bought an 8 HP at the time.'

A note from GEORGE T. MAR TIN, Rt. 2, Box 67, Wyaconda, Missouri 63474 - 'Would like to hear from anyone who owns or has information on a 12 HP Master Workman engine. This is a 2 cylinder vertical inverted engine.'

JOHN ALBERT, R.R. 1, Oak-wood, Illinois 61858 would like to get information through Smoke Rings on an engine he has. It is a Humphryes, made by Humphryes Manufacturing Co., Mansfield, Ohio, Model 773E-3, Serial 3426, R.P.M. 600, HP 1-3/4. It has a Wico mag, Type EK. The hopper opening and the gas filler cap reminds him of a Hercules engine. The oil tube goes down through the hopper to the cylinder. It also has open crank with guard. This engine is mounted on a two wheel cart and geared into a diaphram pump. Any information would be appreciated as to color, and any other information.

A question for Gas Engine Readers comes from AMOS L. EBERSOL, Route 2, Narvon, Pa. 17555 - 'Does anyone know - do we have any old tractors with firing order in straight line like 1-2-3-4 -would like to hear from anyone knowing about such a four cylinder tractor.' (Anybody - Amos is waiting for an answer).

Some comments and some questions from a G.E.M. Reader, JOHN McBRIDE, 191 Hecheltown Road, Scotia, New York 12302. 'Have been reading GEM for some time now and really enjoy it. Believe me, there is nothing, but nothing that gets past my eyes in GEM. Smoke Rings is my favorite part as several times I have used information from it to start to restore an engine. Through this years reading, there has never been any information on a Mietz and Weiss engine. I do know the engine was made in N.Y.C. but that is all. Can you put a plea for help in Smoke Rings for me? I would like to know the original color and the best starting procedure for this engine. It is a 12 HP and weighs about three and one-half tons. Any information will be greatly appreciated by me. Keep GEM coming!'

NEAL MATHESON, 1828 E. 6th Avenue, Mesa, Arizona 85204 sent us this picture of his engine he has restored, but has not been able to identify. The serial number TA 14793 is stamped on top of the water hopper. All parts have a number beginning TA stamped or cast on them. A starting handle is built into the flywheel and the base is separate from and bolted to the cylinder block. Any help your readers give would be appreciated.

A note from RICHARD LEHN, R.R., Kayesport, Illinois 62253 - 'I recently purchased a 7 HP Banner gas engine made by Banner Engine Company of Lansing, Michigan, Serial No. 148165. I do not recall seeing any articles in your magazine about this make of engine. I would like to hear from someone else who has similar engines and could anyone tell me about when this engine was built?'

JUTTIE JEWETT, French Hill, Johnson, Bermont 05656 has 64 gas engines, 2 drag saws and would like very much to correspond and meet other collectors. (Drop him a line, Folks) I've noticed we are beginning to get quite a few letters from the New England States for which we are very happy. There for awhile it did not seem like there was very much interest in that area with our hobby magazines. So you all help these folks get started and make them welcome members of the Gas Engine Family.)

GEORGE I. BOHN, 6358 Cymbidium Court, Highland, California 92346 writes us: 'I recently acquired an old one cylinder gas engine. I'm trying to locate information about the engines so that it can be restored to its original condition. I have been told that it is a two cycle but I have not taken it apart to find out. Some of the markings on the engine include: Side of carburetor, Fairmont Type C5; Top of water jacket, PHAB.37; Time Control, Fairmont A1921. I would appreciate any information you could give. I would be willing to pay the postage on any information.' (See, here's another Eager Beaver gas collector so let's not let him down - I don't know the answers, Fellas - all I can do is relay the letters to you.)

ERIC A. GANJON, Mountain View Farm, 3801 Westminster, Maryland 21157 tells the readers: 'I really enjoy the Gas Engine Magazine and the articles in it. I have always been interested in the Grandfathers of modern agriculture, but never seemed to have the money or time to have an old tractor. I would go to the show held by Maryland Steam Society in Sept. and DREAM!

On July 4, 1973 I found and bought a WK40, not running and decided to make it over like new - did I ever run into parts trouble with the engine, still don't have it running! But that was the bug that bit me.

By winter of 1973, I bought a running 1927 D John Deere from Robert Wisner - that was it! Now, I have two WK40s, one for parts, 1937 U-AC, 1937 running W12 Me, 1953 styled D John Deere, 1936 running A Deere, 1927 10-20 Me, 1948 Leader Model 49D (this company was only in business two years - 1948 and 1949), 1949 DC Case standard and a 1954 60 John Deere, standard with orchard conversion. There were only two of these tractors sold in the Baltimore branch, the one I got came from West Virginia.

I get so much fun out of hunting these old boys down, in fence rows, old sheds and anywhere you can find them. There is an art in locating them - I almost think I can smell the old tractors in the honeysuckle, HA!

I am thinking about getting together as many tractors as I can and having a sale someday in Central Maryland Area, just thinking - but if any of your readers are interested, I'd like to hear from them. (And I'll bet you'd buy more than you'd sell Eric).

1927 30-60 Oil Pull #288

Courtesy of Ronald Miller, RFD §3, Box 167, Geneseo, Illinois 61254

Shown here is my 1927 30-60 Oil Pull #288 which I finished painting in September 1974. This tractor was purchased about a year ago from Price Brubaker of Prairie City, Iowa and after some minor mechanical work and cleaning during the winter and spring it was ready to paint by time summer rolled around. There were several good samples of the original paint in different places on this tractor and care was taken to try to duplicate the color which is a dark green. The fenders and spokes of the wheels are striped in red and the whole job is topped off with a complete set of Oil Pull decals from Jack Maple of Rushville, Indiana. This Oil Pull shows very little wear and starts very easily and runs well. It's a real pleasure to get a hold of one that isn't all worn out and in need of a lot of repair.

And here is a heart warming missal shared with us by NATHAN HICKOK, Amboy, Minnesota 56010 - 'In the July - August 74 issue there is an article and picture of a real honest, no foolin' engine man, Mr. James Walsh, 30 Skene St., Whitehall, New York 12887. When I read his article, I couldn't help but admire the man. I wondered how he could do it. I finally got around to write to Mr. Walsh and sure enough I received one of the nicest letters we have ever had and that's not all; although blind, he typed it himself. He told of his wife, home, and that he has a nice garden and mows the lawn and many things he does. I can't understand how blind people do all the things they do and when we received their letter, it made the whole family feel good.

Mr. Walsh says he has a trailer and a boat which most likely means he goes fishing too. He belongs to several clubs and has been Master of the Grange now for six years. He says that he sure would like to have us visit him some time and believe me, we certainly would enjoy that. I believe that men like Mr. Walsh, with his greatness is what keeps our country the best in the world - and anyone that doesn't think this is quite a country, leave your family and spend a couple years in a foreign place.' (Well, I'll say AMEN with Nathan for people James Walsh - I too, stand in awe at the accomplishments made by some folks who have had some real adversities. Our hat is off to you Jim, we're proud to have you in in the Gas Engine Family, and we thank you Nathan for sharing your comforting letter, resparks the Faith in one).

From KEITH ALDER, Box 792, Picton, Ontario, Canada, a few short paragraphs as: 'I have purchased a 12 HP Peters Engine which I would like information on or if anyone has one, would you please write me. It is a hit and miss, weight 1565 lbs., 6 inch piston (across), 32 inch flywheels, open crank, round connecting rod, holds 12 gallons of water with 5 gallon fuel tank underneath. Also has a custom made clutch, imagination.

I also have a Wade drag saw built in Portland, Oregon. This is a 2 cycle and runs both ways, one fly wheel, tanks for water plus tank for gas and oil mixed, battery and coil ignition. I have seven other engines including Fairbanks Morse, Massey-Harris, International, Gilson, and DeLaval.

'Can someone help with a Harley Davidson Industrial Engine, Model G, 3' bore 3-4 HP? What year was it made? The factory can't help very much. Hand crank or kick starter. I will answer all letters.' If you can help on this question write JOHN HENLINE, 301 West 15th, Mitchell, South Dakota 57301.

I almost forgot to tell you - our next project is getting letters from you members of the family with your favorite recipes - we're aiming to put out a cook book sometime in the future - so keep that in mind -fire up the engines, your ovens and stoves and our magazines and our appetites with yummy recipes.

And Happy Days - another first - the First Directory is off the press and waiting to be sent to you folks $1.00 plus 25c postage and handling. Hope you like it - we think it turned out pretty nice for a first try - I'm sure we have some errors and omissions, etc. let us know about them - or additions -and we'll try to have a better one next year. We have over 230 listings in this first edition.

And now it's time to close this lengthy bit, but before I do, I'll give you a tip - there's a bumper sticker that reads like this - take heed to it and you won't go amiss - 'Thirty days has September, April, June and Nov. and you if you exceed the speed limit in this town'. Now remember that when you're traveling so you don't have to give up some of your 'fun money' you've saved for the Reunions. GE Muinely - Anna Mae