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Well, I am sure we must be in the prime time of Gas Engine Reunions, wouldn't you say-and have you noticed?? Each year there are more organizations, more shows which means more good times and more good friends-aren't you glad you are hooked-??on gas engines!

And now I'll get right into the letters for I know you wait from issue to issue to hear from your 'hobby buddies.'

We'll begin with JOHN KEIM's letter. John lives at R.R. 1, Fairview, Kansas 66425 and he tells us: 'After reading one way of unsticking a piston, I would like to share our method of doing it. This system will only work if the valves are either stuck shut or can close.

The first thing to do is fill the cylinder with gun grease. Then make a fitting to fit the sparkplug hole; probably an old bolt would work. Saw the bolt off so it is about 1 or 2 inches long. Then drill a hole through the center of it. After that, thread the hold so a grease fitting will screw in it. Then put the fitting into the sparkplug hole. Next, get your grease gun and put it on the grease fitting and start pumping.

The grease gun can put thousands of pounds of pressure per square inch on the piston while expanding the cylinder. You will hear a POP every few pumps. This is, by far, the easiest process for unfreezing a piston, that we have used and hope someone else will find it to be successful for themselves.' (Thanks John, I'll bet you will find some takers on this process of unsticking those pistons. And that is what this column is all about the ping each other with their engine problems-and of course, enjoying it!)

PAINTERS! Please help KEITH E. MATHEWS, R.R. 1, LeRoy, Illinois 61752 with his requests as he types his thoughts to you. 'I have recently acquired in good running condition, a 1 HP E. Hercules gas engine on trucks. The engine serial number is 250896. I would like to know the model year and how to remove the old paint. It has been repainted and I am told it is the wrong color (now a dark green). I need to know the proper paint color, pin stripe detail and color, what color to paint the trucks and location of the decals.

Thanks for all the help your readers might send me.'

'I have an old Allis Chalmers tractor with the serial number RC3413. Could you tell me the year it was made and the color scheme? Or tell me of someone who can? Thanks a bunch! Write DUANE F. FISHER, Route 2, Box 236, Fincastle, Virginia 24090.' (Drop him a card friends.)

GARSON R. FIELDS, JR. writes: 'As a new subscriber to your publication, I wanted to drop you a note to tell you how much I enjoy your informative magazine.

I have been collecting engines for over a year and recently purchased a Boviard and Sayfang upright 5 HP air-cooled engine. The serial number is 740. The engine is complete except for the torch and chimney assembly that surround the ignitor tube and I was wondering if any of the readers might be able to shed some light on the design of this.

Also I am interested in the gas accumulator bag that would have to go on the natural gas feed line.

The engine appears to have original green paint on it which is in very good condition, but I am not sure that in fact this is the original paint and if any of your readers can shed any light on this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thus far, I have only located two other similar engines in New England and we are all without the torch assembly so any help that could be given would help three engines in their attempt to come back to their original condition.

Any correspondence with me should be sent to Box 277, Leeds, Massachusetts 01053.'

This letter comes in answer to a request from GEM and Mr. Mills of Roanoke, Indiana regarding glass tube cutting. Perhaps some of you will be glad to read this from O. G. MADDEN, 116 Dolbeare Drive, Louisiana, Missouri 63353: 'Nothing beats the proper tool. However, if one is cutting sight glasses for boilers, six (6) inches or longer, I have found by being very careful a good copper tube cutter will do the job. One must use extreme care while marking the glass, as the tube will probably not be perfectly round. Care must be taken to keep the pressure even while marking the tube.

For short pieces, such as sight glasses in oilers, one (1) inch or less, then a glass tube cutter made like a chain vice with a cutter in each link is the only way that I know how to cut it. Even with this type of cutter extreme care must be taken or you will wind up with a bunch of broken glass.'

Sparkplug Veterans attention! Help answer a problem for EUGENE F. KOVARIK, R.R. 2, Waucoma, Iowa 52171: 'I need help with a John Deere model E serial number 303634 3 HP engine. When I got this engine the low tension magneto had hardly any spark. I charged the magnets, still no more spark. Then I sent it to Chicago for an expensive paint job, but it wasn't any better. Hope someone in Gas Engine Land can give me some ideas to get this mag sparked up.'

A beautiful engine invented by BEN ROMICH, 13875 Cleveland Road, Creston, Ohio 44217 and he sends a picture take a look! 'In your March-April '81 issue you ask for a show of interest in models. Here is one subscriber that has been 'looking for the mail' since Volume 1, number 1, Jan.-Feb. 1966. I have always had an appreciation for all collectors that have the ability to make that missing part or repair the broken one and I think that takes in everyone in this hobby. I also believe anyone can build a small engine or cause a wheel to turn, by some means. That is where the satisfaction is.

I would like to see more pictures and letters from 'scrap iron specialists' for when an engine emerges from the scrap pile it is quite a thrill.'

A new member of the hobby is making his debut to GEM with this letter as ERNEST L. PEASE, Route 2, Box 160, Harpursville, New York 13787 writes: 'I became a gas nut about six months ago. I find your Smoke Rings interesting. I could use some help from your readers.

I bought a small neat tractor and would like to know if the manufacturer is still around, its value, how many were made and for how long? I've never seen one nor has any of my friends. It was made by Empire Tractor Corp. A brass plate on the left side of the hood has this printed on it. It has an oval globe with the tractor picture on it. Empire Tractor Corp., Philadelphia U.S.A. New York. Another brass plate on the dash shows a shifting diagram on half of it and the following information on the other half: Empire Tractor Corp. S.N. 5943, Mfg. 11-47 Engine #J150947, Model 90. The engine says Willy's Jeep on the head. Nearly everything else is jeep parts, has individual wheel brakes, a belt pulley in back. High and low range 3 speeds ahead1 Rev. hand pull and lock trouble. Small hyd cylinder to raise tool bar. Painted 'Cat' yellow. Has 9 x 24 farm tractor tires on rear. Ribbed on front. Everything is working but 1 ex. valve. It has been stored in a barn 23 years. I guess it was made from surplus WW II jeep parts. Looks like it should be a collector's item.

Hope I hear from someone out there that can tell me more about this neat little tractor and what became of its manufacturer and its present value. I'll have her running as soon as I can pull the head and free that one ex. valve.'

Take time and send a card to LOUIS MILLER, 807 Pine, Georgetown, Texas 78626 and tell him the color of a 17-30 Minneapolis model B tractor. He'll be very appreciative.

Thank you for helping me in the March-April GEM states DUANE L. McNABB, 4011 West Paget Avenue, Phoenix, Arizona 85021. 'I received a letter from Mr. Hallead in Michigan and I quote: 'I have no proof, but I suspect your corn grinder was manufactured by Associated Manufacturers Company, Waterloo, Iowa. They were selling engines and other machines including feed grinders under Associated name until 1920, after which their name was changed to Iowa.'

'Perhaps the note will jar a few more ideas about the last word being Bull on the hopper. Thank you.'

A statement comes from EDWIN L. WARNICK III, 3606 Sky view Drive, Huntington, West Virginia 25701. Ed says, 'I have a 6 HP Fairbanks Morse Z engine, serial number 455578 and a LeRoi 2 cylinder hopper cooled engine, serial number 43933. I would like to know make and serial number of mag for the LeRoi. I am in the process of restoring these engines and would like to know the date of manufacture, color schemes and any additional information that might be available. I will appreciate very much hearing from anyone that can help.' (Watch the mail box, Ed, you'll get some answers.)

JUNE MORRISON, Route 1, Salt Rock, West Virginia 25559 has a 4 HP Acme engine and would like to see some pictures of the central rods and linkage. Parts could be made if pictures would be available. It is a 4' bore engine. Please write above address if you can provide the pictures or advice.

Hey guys! Many of you know dates of engines manufactured or color or HP or etc. Get your pens ready as JIM GREENAWALT, 308 Sequoyah, Altus, Oklahoma 73521 needs your help.

Jim has recently gotten into collecting old one cylinder engines and would like the year of manufacture, color and anything informative on his restorable engines. They are an International Harvester, LAA53935, 1 to 2 HP, 300-500 RPM; Emerson-Brantingham, 40902, 1 HP, 500 RPM, type H; Cushman Cub horizontal, 71856, 3 HP, 800 RPM, model R20; Cushman Cub horizontal, 78351, 4 HP, 850 RPM, model R3 missing carburetor and Fairbanks-Morse, 174555, 6 HP, 400 RPM.

Appreciation shows through this note as SAM MENDENHALL, 1088 N. West Street, Galesburg, Illinois 61401 sends this: 'I would like to correspond or talk with anyone who knows or has any information, pictures, colors, technical data, etc. on the Pine Tree Milker, vertical 2 HP. Thanking you in advance I would also like to thank the GEM readers who answered my last plea for help. My phone number is 309-342-5783.'

'Dear GEM Smoke Rings Greetings from Plains, Georgia. It's mighty hot and dry, but we keep on plugging away at the old engines. I made a trip up home to Maine recently and picked up several nice engines and am seeking some data on two of them. First, the air-cooled engine, in picture, is one that has me baffled. I have seen every size and shape air-cooled engine, but this one is altogether different. The only sure information that has been passed down is that it was bought in 1905. There also was the thought that it is a Reliance, however, it is not like any Reliance I have seen. Reliance engines are like Ideal sat least the ones I've seen and have sparkplug ignition and the rocker arm and valves are underneath. This engine is rather large, 6 HP, I think. The bore and stroke are 55/8' x 7'. The crankshaft has bolted-on counterweights like a steam engine. For some reason there are two exhaust outlets, one at each end of the cylinder. The igniter is in two parts, the trip part (ground) is on the side and the insulated part is on the end. Both parts are made in a pipe-thread fashion. Gas tank is in the base casting and the governor weights are behind the protective cover shown on the flywheel. It is red with a very fancy black and gold pin striping. It has a brass carburetor much like the Associated. Also the governor latch, governor speed yoke and all ignitor parts are brass. The engine runs unusually smooth and steady and has a good working speed control. Any help in identifying this engine would be greatly appreciated.

The other engine, we know what it is, but would like to know the approximate age. I feel that it must be very old. It is a Domestic side-shaft 2 HP, serial number 2732. It is a pumping engine and is complete with pump jack. The hopper is open all the way around the top. It has a round bronze rod and brass fuel pump. Of all the Domestics I have seen at the shows, this one is much older. The flywheels are bigger than other 2 HP models I've seen, runs smooth.

Hope to hear from some of the old-timers about these two engines. Also would like to invite anyone traveling through to stop and pay us a visit. We are 5 miles from Plains on U.S. 280. A lot of retired folks pass by on the way to Florida, not realizing we are here.' (How very nice! So many of our GEM family are so cordial and would love to have you stop and visit. Often this is expressed in their writings and we enter it in the column if they request. These fellows and gals who have this interest really are close like a family. What a nice hobby that brings folks together this way. I can see Elmer smiling as I write this and I'm sure this wouldn't surprise him.)

If you can help our friend from Plains, Georgia or if you want to stop and see him, here is the address. ED LOWELL, P.O. Box 20, Americus, Georgia 31709 or talk with him at 912-924-1744.

Plowing the Old Way is written on this picture and the letter comes from DAVID J. WILLIAMSON, R.R. 1, Williamsburg, Indiana 47393: 'Recently we plowed with our old tractors and thought you would like to have a picture. We plowed with this 1935 (Bertha) W-30, a 1937 A John Deere, 1936 Oliver 70, 1938 WK-40 and a 1939 F-20. My daughter Emily is riding with me on the W-30.

We love collecting tractors and talking to all the good people who collect. I enjoy reading your magazine and look forward to each issue.'

Another comment on a previous letter as ROY M. NISSLEY, R.D. 3, Box 290, Manheim, Pennsylvania 17545 writes: 'May-June issue Rink Mills, Roanoke, Indiana asks information on glass tube cutting. I did some cutting with a fine 3-cornered file with turpentine as a coolant, a cutting compound. I also used the 3-cornered file ground blunt on the end to drill a hole in the bottom of the glass jar.

I have Gas Engine Fever too. I have several engines that all run very well. I enjoy the gas news very much.'

Is there anyone out there that is knowledgeable about the research and development of the 2 cylinder John Deere tractors? If so, please get your pencil and write JERRY R. EASON, 321 Lakeview Drive, New Johnsonville, Tennessee 37134. Phone 615-535-2017. Jerry feels there must be some records, literature or some means by which he can find some data on this tractor. He is especially interested in the D and G models, their prototypes and development over the years. A response would be greatly appreciated.'

A letter comes from one of our younger members of the GEM family as JOE WIRTH, 5 East 6th Street, Prophetstown, Illinois 61277 writes: 'I am 15 years old and collect old gas tractors with my dad and grandfather. We have many Case International and Hart Parr tractors and also many John Deere tractors. But one of the most unusual and rare tractors is a 1946 or 47 LEHR tractor. It is powered by a six cylinder Chrysler Industrial engine. It is much like the Custom tractor that came along in 1950. What we need to know about it, is the lettering, striping and etc. on the hood. All information will be appreciated.'

(Try and help Joe find the data he is seeking, guys, and also we hope to hear from Joe againperhaps in the future, you will write a story of your engine. Joe, we'll be looking for it.)

And you sitting there, reading this-remember a time or two you were going to write a story but put it off, or thought we wouldn't want it you are wrong! Get busy and put your thoughts together and mail it in to us. We'll try and use it.)

L. H. LUCKADO, 9201 Guilford Road, Box 152, Columbia, Maryland 21045 answers Mr. Hoge who had written in a previous column of Smoke Rings: 'I understand you wish to operate an engine on coal dust or smoke. As a small boy, probably 58 years ago, my father who was a millwright on flour mills talked with a miller some place in the Charlotesville area who had bought a new engine designed to run on pulverized soft coal.

It generally took 3 or 4 hours to get it started and in a week's time cinders in the coal had scarred the cylinder wall and was full of clinkers and he was ready to take a sledge hammer and junk it.

My father told him it was made by a well known company that made steam engines and oil and gas engines and air compressors in later years. What his problem was and since he had spent a lot of money for the engine, my father thought they would give him a big trade-in on an oil engine, or probably he could buy just the new head and cylinder and directions to change it to an oil engine. I believe he changed to an oil engine and the company wrote they were experimenting with heating coal with exhaust in a separate box and then filter the smoke and burn it and they wanted him to try that, but he had had his share of coal.

I do not know the mill or the miller's name or exact place or any of the details, as I was very young at the time. I have worked in a modern steam generating station and soft coal smoke has made acids and the fly ash has everything from gold and silver that can be collected from it.' (Mr. Luckado sent this writing to Mr. Hoge, but he wanted it in Smoke Rings, thinking many of you would be interested in it.)

Now, maybe you can help this man, not just to answer a question, but to give him notes and facts, and perhaps a call; as he is writing a book and you may be able to help make it happen. STAN GRAYSON, 249 Mt. Lucas Road, Princeton, New Jersey 08540, phone 609-924-0091 is going to write a book about early marine engines. He would like to hear from anyone who collects such engines or who has historical information about particular companies.

A newcomer speaks up: WILLIAM S. CRONAN IV, 8471 Lemon Ave., LaMesa, California 92041 writes: 'I am fairly new at engine collecting. I just kind of fell into collecting marine engines. My first is a 2 cylinder upright built by the Buffalo Gasoline Motor Works. It is a 2 HP and needs much attention.

My main concern is my newest-an outboard. It is a two cycle, one cylinder, approximately 2' bore, 2-7/16' stroke. Single flywheel on top, approximately 9' O.D., with a wood handle on it for starting. Top main bearing has a grease cup. Most of the engine is brass. The motor was stationary and it has a rudder that hangs off the back behind the prop. It uses a model T sparkplug. Can any of you engine buffs help with a name, year, horsepower etc.? Can't find a name anywhere, but a friend suggests it is about 1910 manufacture date as it is very primitive. Enclosed is a photo. This little marvel runs like a champ, but it is an orphan. Please let this little jewel know his origin. Any information sincerely appreciated. Thanks to you all and to a great magazine.'

PAT AUMILLER, 330 Clifford Avenue, Union City, Indiana 47390 has a Sheffield 3-wheel motor car (RR) and would like to correspond with someone who has one or knows of one. Fairbanks bought out this company in 1906.

Excited about his new find IRVING PHAROAH, 16 Debra Drive, Apt. 210, Potsdam, New York 13676 says: 'I have located an engine. The only marking is the name on the side of the water hopper, Dazzle PATCH. I would like some information about these engines. Someone told me they never made under a 5 horsepower. This one is about a 1 HP.' (Ever hear of a Dazzle PATCH engine, fellas?)

Requesting his letter to go in Smoke Rings, EUGENE LABONTE, Route 171, Woodstock Valley, Connecticut 06282 writes: 'A while back I purchased a shed which had an engine in it. The brass plate attached on the engine says: Ellis Engines-Detroit, Michigan USA No. 13093 HP. It is a vertical, one cylinder, with a water coolant tank on the side. It has a flyball governor, and there is no valve gear on the head. I've been told it is two cycle by some and that it is 4 cycle with a slide valve mechanism by others. As I would like to restore this engine, I would appreciate if anyone could give me anything concerning operation, original colors, year of manufacture, etc.'

GLENN KIRTON, Box 2271, Bracebridge, Ontario, Canada POB1C0 sends this: 'As a new collector of gas engines for the past 3 years, I have several engines that I need help with as I restore them. One is a T & M hit and miss, about 2-3 HP. I have no colors, year of manufacture or anything on it. Second is an Olds Type A #3, 4 HP and an Olds Type A #4, 6 HP. I do not have any serial numbers on these as the plates are gone. I would like to correspond with anyone in regards to the above engines.

I also have a F-M serial number C7517, Canadian possibly, vertical, with water tank fastened to top of cylinder and to one side, possibly 4 HP. I sure enjoy GEM and all the letters and articles in it.'

KEITH McGILL, R.D. 3, Box 412, Washington, Pennsylvania 15301 is a man with two questions as he sends along this letter: 'Question #1How do you time a 1 HP Sandwich engine? I can find an arrow on the crankshaft bearing cap, but no corresponding mark on the cam gear. Question #2Could the Maytag mixing cans sold by Herby Lane and advertised in your magazine be reproductions? I have several very old mixing cans, as well as one from Herby and there are many differences. (I'm sorry, Keith, I just don't know but perhaps you could ask the Herby Lane advertisers. If yours are so different doesn't sound like they are reproductions.)

Keep up the good work, and encourage your vast readership to contribute more 'How To' articles.'

This short letter comes from JAMES ARMSTRONG, E. 1828 Joseph Avenue, Spokane, Washington 99207 as he writes: 'I am writing in regard to a Case gas tractor made around 1925-27. The engine was cross mounted. If I am right, they made two sizes, one I believe was a 15-27, the other one was smaller. The exhaust pipe on the larger engine was at a 45 degree. The smaller one I do not know. On page 75 in your magazine of March-April, the picture on top of the third picture left to right looks like the smaller tractor. The larger tractor looks quite the same.' I would like information on both, please!'

We love to hear from our younger enthusiasts as well as those who have been in the GEM family for years. BARRY CHORUM, R.D. 1, Reeds, Missouri 64859 is one of our younger group and he writes: 'I am hoping someone out there can answer my questions. I am 16 years old and have been collecting Tired Iron for about three years. My first engine was a 1 HP Monitor which I restored to original running condition.

Since then I have acquired several more engines including a 7 HP Witte, serial number B34680. This engine is missing the magneto and also has a model T carburetor. The push rod is also missing. Can anyone tell me what type of magneto this had and what type of carburetor? Also, what color this engine was painted? I was told this engine was throttle-governed because it has a small rod running from the governor to the carburetor. Any help I can get will be very much appreciated.'

Enclosed is a picture of our 20-35 Flour City, serial number 1641. We would like to hear from other owners of this rare model. This comes from JOE HABEGAR, Madison, South Dakota 57042. (See below.)

Any information will be appreciated by this novice collector as he writes: 'Recently I acquired a Model GM John Deere tractor and I would like to know the years they were made? Also would like to know how many were made. Were the GM's serial numbers running concurrently with the G's?' Address is JOHN HERPICH, R.R. 2, Box 302, Troy, Kansas 66087.

HALSEY GENUNG, R.D. 2, Box 178, Pittstown, New Jersey 08867 writes: 'I came into the possession of a 3-wheel Silver King tractor that I am trying to restore. I have talked to some people who have helped some, from memory. I now believe this is a 1940 tractor; serial number is 4604. I need more help!

This tractor has a cast iron grill, a Continental engine with starter, a 750 x 16 front tire, 36' rims in rear and solid cast wheels.

I would like to know the oil capacity of this transmission, rear, also capacity of each of the wheel gear boxes. And anything about the brakes as adjustment etc.

There also has been some conflict about color. Should the engine be silver or grey? Is the starter, generator, oil filter, magneto and fan black? What color is the governor? Everyone agrees on red wheels, however, some say red rims, others say silver rims.

The rear wheels have five nuts on studs around each hub. It would appear that with the nuts removed the wheels would come off-they won't!

Anything you can tell me will be appreciated.' (Get the letters going to Halsey, fellows I am sure he will be watching the mail.)

'I would like some information on the date of manufacture of several engines,' says DAVID BEATTIE, P.O. Box 2, Conway, Kansas 67434, phone 316-834-2262. He continues, 'One of the engines is a 4 HP horizontal cylinder with water hopper Fairbanks Morse, mag and igniter with open crank, serial number 147134. Also, a 1 HP Cushman, serial number 8531, model 21, type T, horizontal cylinder with open crank and headless. Also 2 HP Waterloo Boy, serial number 201476 kerosene (model K?) with horizontal cylinder, open crank, Webster Tri-Polar mag and igniter.' (David would like any serial number lists on the above engines and thanks you for your assistance.)

Speaking of lists on engines, our next letter comes from MILTON W. FOX, R.R. 1, Bicknell, Indiana 47512 as he tells us: 'In the Sept.-Oct. 1976 issue of GEM you ran an article for me entitled 'Help Research International Harvester Tractors.' I received many letters on this and a hearty thanks to all those that answered my article. Thanks is not enough so I want everyone that is interested to know that I have three sheets typed up on the IHC. If anyone is interested in obtaining these, they may have them by sending me a self addressed stamped envelope.' (There fellows, that's a nice gesture, write to Milton and get your tractor listthis GEM family is very helpful to all the members and interested hobbyists.)

KEN DOHERTY, R.R. 2, Geneva, Indiana 46740 has a gas engine and would like to know the original color and the year it was manufactured. His engine is a Woodpecker manufactured by the Middletown Machine Company, Middletown, Ohio 6 HP, type KS, serial number 21223, speed 375. (Please help him out if you can.) Says Ken, 'as a subscriber to GEM, I wish to compliment you for your very interesting magazine. I read it cover to cover, each section and article.' (Thanks Ken, we appreciate your comment.)

A snapshot comes from THOMAS REGISTER, III, 3254 Julington Creek Road, Jacksonville, Florida 32223 with his letter: 'This snapshot is of my 1924 Lindsey air compressor. Anyone that could share any information on this unit, I surely will be grateful and will answer you back.

I am a member of the Florida Fly-wheelers, a really fine engine club. I recently acquired a new 1915 Dubree marine engine. It uses a model T Ford rod and piston. I have 12 other engines in my collection. I also collect blacksmith equipment and harnesses.'

A note of interest to everyone comes from RAY TOLER, 3305 Poplar Street, Pine Bluff, Arkansas 71603 as he first asks, 'Did you ever hear of rubbing a tombstone? You can do the same with machinery nameplates. Enclosed is a sample rubbing from my Troy engine. I use newsprint and a soft pencil.

I would like to know more about the Troy Engine & Machine Company.' (This could be of interest to both steam and gas enthusiasts, both the rubbings and the history of the Troy Engine Company; let's hear from you men if you can get some historical data and also if you use this type of rubbing to record data.)

People with problems that makes up a good bit of this column as they love to help each others here comes a letter that says Hi and Help!! It comes from RAY S. THURMAN, Route 1, Fergus Falls, Minnesota 56537. 'About 15 years ago I picked up an engine, about 1 HP, in a junk pile in western Washington. After all this time, I finally got the piston loose and now I'm trying to get it together. Here's my problem!

There is no nameplate on it, only parts numbers as follows: the governor slides on the crankshaft just inside the left wheel with the number A.K. 226flywheel number is A.K. 214, motor base A.K. 1A, cylinder block A.K. 213, main bearing caps are A.K. 9. On the outside of the left bearing cap is a very small No. 7 and on the right is a small No. 5.

This engine has a Webster mag with an igniter, both work perfectly after all the years out in the weather. It looks something like an old Economy King that used to be sold by Sears Roebuck, but several have looked at it and say it isn't, so I am looking to your magazine for help!'

Now here's a good thought as I've often wondered about this subject myself. This writing comes from JAMES F. CREWS, Star Route, Box 4, Arbovale, West Virginia 24915: 'The following is something you might put in Smoke Rings. The answers might be of interest to a lot of engine neophytes like myself.

At engine shows one often sees what is called the Baker fan. Occasionally, in GEM, someone will refer to the Baker fan. Their use seems to be a means of loading tractors or even engines to exercise or test them. The people I have talked to at the shows seem to be rather vague about them. Is there a way to calculate the horsepower delivered to the fan by the use of formulas or tables? Just how are the fans used? Where does the word Baker come from?' (Please, let's hear the answers.)

Another engine enthusiast writes with compliments and questions as MANUEL E. CASTRO, P.O. Box 364, Santa Margarita, California 93453 sends this: 'First I want to thank all the people who sent me letters and literature in regards to the engine pictured in the March-April '81 issue. I've received letters from all over the United States. I would say the best way to get information is through Smoke Rings.

Since I wrote last, I've picked up four more engines and have more lined up. I need information with this one. It is an Otto vertical. It has 24' flywheels and is 42' high. I don't know the horsepower and don't know how this engine runs. Does this engine use a magneto or is it battery powered? The piston is stuck so I can't take it apart right now to find out the bore size and the stroke. The serial number is 9225what does it date? Collectors around here don't know the answers either. Otto engines around here are quite scarce. I also need to know the paint colors.' (OK you men that have Otto engines should be able to help Manuel on this problem.)

Another more recent letter comes from MILTON W. FOX, R.R. 1, Bicknell, Indiana 47512. This letter is in reference to gas tractors manufactured by Rumely (Advance Rumely) Company, La Porte, Indiana. These were known as Rumely Oilpull. (Since this list is not very long, we will print it as follows:)

In 1912, the M. Rumely Company purchased the Advance Thresher Company and the Gaar-Scott & Company and later, the American-Abell Company and the Northwest Thresher Company were added.

In 1915 the 'M. Rumely Company' was reorganized and called the 'Advance-Rumely Company.'

In 1924, Advance Rumely bought the Aultman-Taylor Company. In mid 1931, Allis Chalmers bought out the Advance Rumely Company.

The chart shown below gives a detailed breakdown of tractors.

Advance-Rumely/Advance Rumely, La Porte, Indiana

Tractors: Rumely Oilpull




Serial Numbers




1 thru 2936




101 thru 2503




5001 thru 9177




10425 thru 15221



G741 thru G3894




8627 thru 16254



H3751 thru H9645




12000 thru 21018

Do All



501 thru 3593




501 thru 1302




1 thru 4855




1 thru 3671




1 thru 761




1 thru 514




1 thru 3952




1 thru 2400


A few of these tractors were converted from the 'M' to the 'X' tractor.





1 thru 245


A few of these tractors were converted from the 'M' to the 'Y' tractor.





1 thru 215


A few of these tractors were converted from the 'S' to the 'Z' tractor.


This next letter comes from GEORGE A. MORROW, Wawota, Saskatchewan, Canada SOG 5A0. There is a sketch with it, which I'm sure doesn't mean a lot to many of us. Maybe some of you will understand and be able to let George know what is the name of this item. 'A piece the same shape as the one with the screws in went over the top and the pieces I have drawn would lie along side of it. The three pieces were thinly nickel-plated. I drew the lines around the inside and outside of the article. I understand you know what many articles are and for what purpose they are used.' (Not so, as much as we may be able to get you the answers just going through the medium of this column here's hoping you'll get some answers and send us the answer too Anna Mae.)

George continues: 'This one has file or hacksaw marks on it. It belonged to a man who had a lathe, but he passed away before I got hold of the article. I have had it at several antique sales and showed it to many older people, but they do not know what it is.'

'We goofed!,' says JOE SCALES, Rt. 1, Box 323A, Ridgeway, Virginia 24148 as he writes: 'I was growling about us not getting our magazine and here we had let it run out! Well, while at this, has anyone ever heard of a Turner & Moore marine engine? It is headless 4 cyl. has built-in hand or foot (?) crank. This one must be an early one as it has a single digit serial number or maybe an experimental or prototype engine. Builder's plate says Turner & Moore, Detroit, Michigan. #2. Engine is frozen and has cracked block. I have not tried to free it. Magneto fired.

I also have Domestic 4 HP sideshaft, complete and running. Enjoy GEM too well, not to get caught missing several issues, so you know it is good.'

HERMAN SPACER, R.R. 1, Centralia, Kansas 66415 enclosed a picture with his letter and he is hoping to hear from someone with same hobby: 'Enclosed is a picture of a 1935 Cletrac E 76 that I have almost completed restoration. I have restored cars for several years and about two years ago my sons got me interested in old tractors and engines. I have since restored several wheel type tractors. I have noticed that most people acquire crawler type tractors then leave them sit. I now understand why. There is considerable more time, effort, and expense involved in just the tracks and sprockets than there is in most popular model wheel tractors.

I also am presently restoring a model H Cletrac. The small model produced in the 1918-1920 period. The tracks and sprokets are restored and am in the process of rebuilding the engine. The gear has A335 stamped on it. I would sure appreciate hearing from someone.'

I received this short note and I thought I had the answer for him, but I've looked and looked and can't find it. CARLTON PERRY, R.D. 1, Box 190, Putnam Valley, New York 10579 writes: 'Please help me find name and address of person that wrote the letter on page 15 of Jan.-Feb. 1981. It is the center column and center letter. I would like to write to this person and I think I can help him. I sure enjoy Smoke Rings. Thanking you for your help.'

In closing let me say to all of you wonderful folks-enjoy your summer and the meeting of old friends and the making of new acquaintances who will probably become good friends. You know, I don't know when I've ever heard that the Gas or Steam Engine Followers weren't a compatible group. I always hear how friendly and helpful each of you are I wonder if all hobbies promote such everlasting friendships? Maybe it is just that all happy and friendly folks like this hobby!

And a few words to ponder: Of all things you wear your expression is the most important. All people smile in the same language. Have no friends you dare not bring home. A true friend is one who knows all about you and loves you just the same. Love ya each and everyone.