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'If you are unable to undo the past, nevertheless you have full dominion over the present. You can straighten your life, change your attitude, improve your outlook, control your thoughts and desires, discipline yourself in short, get each day closer to GOD.'

Does the above give you something to think about? I know I have a lot of work to do on this person. So what do you say? Let's give it a try and see if we can't work more in '84 to better ourselves, think more of others and do as God would have us do.

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very precious, loving New Year. Thank you all for your support and letters throughout the years. I feel as though I know so many of you personally perhaps from time to time I may meet some of you, or talk to you, or at least, I know I hear from you via the mail and I'd just like to say I treasure these friendships may they continue!

And now on to the wonderful communications that make this magazine so interesting and keep us like a family.

Sending all the details on his unidentified engine, VINCENT E. RODERICK, 169 Gorham Road, Scarborough, Maine 04074 is awaiting your assistance:

'I have been playing with old engines for about four and a half years and love GEM.

'My unidentified engine has a 4' bore and a 4' stroke; 18' x 2 1/16' flywheels; 1 1/8' diameter crankshaft and a 4 x 4 7/8' hole in the top of the water hopper. The flywheels have 'C41' cast on a spoke, the lever holding the pushrod and roller has 'C34' cast on it; no serial number to be found. The crank handle is made to flip out of the flywheel, contacts for ignition are made between collar on push rod and insulated metal strip on side of the hopper. Engine is fired with spark plug. Rocker arm is curved to go out around intake valve stem, connecting rod uses grease cup while main bearings have oil reservoirs. Governor weights inside the flywheel pivot off two opposing spokes and look like the ones on the Muncie engine pictured in C. H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since 1872, p. 320, top right. I would appreciate any help I can get to identify the make, year, HP, speed and color scheme.

'I also have a 2 HP Thompson air-cooled S/N 4652 with dual ported exhaust and would like to know the original color scheme.

Many thanks for any help, as always looking forward to the next issue of GEM!

'Have been reading your wonderful magazine for the past three years,' relates GERALD R. HOWARD, Box 223, 28 W. 3rd Street Frazeysburg, Ohio 43322, phone 614-828-2944.

'I recently received a small engine 1 cyl. hit and miss. It has two 14' flywheels. The only markings on it are painted on the water hopper The word WORK WELL. There are no signs of ever having any tag on it. Need to know what it is and what color it was originally. By the way, it does run real well. Also what is HP and any other details?' (What have we here, fellows? I don't believe I've ever heard of this one. How about it? Is it rare?)

'I would like your assistance if possible,' states RODGER HUTCHINSON, 13 Kalimna Avenue, Horsham 3400, Victoria, Australia.

'I have just finished restoring a Gopher engine and would like to find out where they were made and how old it would be. It has 33?' flywheels, bore 4 7/8', stroke 7'. Low tension ignition via batteries and coil, throttle-governed, unusual petrol carby. Engine No. 3632. Unable to read HP and speed on engine due to rusty condition when found. Am interested to hear from anyone.'

'I have recently acquired two hit and miss engines and would like to ask your readers for help in determining the date of manufacture of each one. The first is an Economy, Engine No. 261192, RPM 550, HP 2FW, has Wico magneto and spark plug ignition. The second one is a Little Jumbo, Model P, No. 17347, HP 1, 500 RPM and has igniter ignition with a Webster magneto. I would also like to know the original color scheme used on each engine. All letters will be answered. Thanks for a fine magazine!' (Please write GLENN BURROUGHS, 75 Hunting Lane, Goode, Virginia 24556 if you can be of some help.)

'This summer I acquired the engine pictured. Maybe somebody out there can tell me what I have,' exclaims GEO. E. STERLING, 12840 Seminole Blvd., #41G, Largo, Florida 33544.

'It has 10' flywheels with 1' face, a 4' pulley with 3' face, 3' piston with 7' stroke. Runs with spark plug and 6 volt battery and coil for a make and break ignition. It is air-cooled and I bought it for a HP. The former owner says it is an 'Airtemp' but no one in my acquaintance has ever heard of this make. There are no numbers that I can find as to serial or date of mfg.

'I'm a new subscriber to GEM and enjoy it from cover to cover. Hope you can get me some help.' (Please let's not disappoint our new buddy in the gas engine hobbyhelp him if you can; and I know you will.)

Some techniques and pointers on wood sawing come from EDWIN H. BREDEMEIER, Route 1, Box 13, Steinauer, Nebraska 68441 as he relates: 'I'm writing to comment on Carl Erwin's letter in the July/August issue and Darvin Jahnke's letter in the November/December issue about pulley sizes and saw speeds. I sawed or buzzed wood for approximately 20 years and my father before me, with sweep horsepowers.

'We always ran a 30' blade up to near 1000 RPM and a 32' around 900 RPM and a 36' around 750 RPM. We always ran the saw a few minutes before sawing wood when temperature was below freezing. We thought that would equalize the tension in the blade. Saw speeds were determined by the number of teeth. Just at the time of over speeding a saw, it will have a peculiar sing, we called it.

'If a saw is run too slow sawing small sticks, the blade will grab the wood. A saw should never be touched with a file on the front side of the tooth. That is an old instruction that came with Cutrie & Disston Simmons blades.

When gumming a saw blade, the front side of the tooth laying a yard stick should be in line on the back side of the Arbor plate. Many saw blades were ruined by gummers using a cheap emery wheel. The best I've found is Carborundum or Norton Wheels; they cut fast and clean if properly dressed. I've seen blades that were filed so much on the front side of the tooth that they could be operated either way.

Cracking blades comes from the blade being cold and the teeth overheating at the tooth area causing that part to expand and forming cracks. I've cracked a few because I didn't stop and sharpen the blade.

'That's my story on wood saws, hope it was some help to the Gas Buddies.'

Laying a few questions on you and expecting you will help again, is FRANK MANES, RR1, Box 36, Blanchard, Iowa 51630: 'Since I grew up riding on a Model D John Deere, I have always had a liking for the larger standard tread or wheatland tractors built in the 30's. My questions are: Could I please hear from someone who has operated and IHC W-40 in the field and on the belt? Also the same about the Case L and Allis Chalmers A telling about how they performed; fuel consumption and the power they developed.

I have acquired many friends who are interested in the early tractors and made contact with them through the GEM. Thank you!' (That's right, many friends are made and kept through the years via GEM. That makes us feel right good!)

CEDRIC FARRELL, Route 2, Box 104, Red Wing, Minnesota 55066 sent us a picture of his engine. 'It originally belonged to Norman Benidt, east of Goodhue, Minn, and was used for sawing wood, unloading grain and pumping water. Then for many years it stood in a wooded area unused, then was purchased by Tim Stenerson, Goodhue, Minn, who restored it. I purchased it from him. It is a Red Wing engine but not made by Red Wing Marine; in fact, I can't find the - of the manufacturer can you help?'

(C. H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since 1872 sheds some light on this question regarding the Red Wing Motor Company of Red Wing, Minnesota: 'The company's excursion into stationary engines was a short one, lasting only a few years. The very attractive Red Wing engines are rarely found today. Low production is a major factor, since many of the limited number built were junked after losing their usefulness. ...It is believed that Red Wing's stationary engine line actually encompassed several sizes ranging upward from 1 horsepower, but specific data has been located only for the 2 and 5 horsepower models.' Sounds like you've got a real find, Cedric!)

'I hope some of GEM readers will be able to help me,' relates ORLAN DAGNER, 2662 Willcarleton Drive, Flat Rock, Michigan 48134.

'I have a United engine with brass tag information: United Engine Company, Lansing, Michigan USA Type -HP 2 Serial #73648. I need to know what kind of carburetor it is supposed to have or what kind I can use. I adapted an updraft carburetor to it, but it will only fire about four times, no matter what I do. I also would like to know any information about engine, year made, color, how many were mfg. and etc. Thanks for your help!'

CHARLES WILSON, 12515 West Graves, Waukegan, Illinois 60087 needs info on a Chatham Grain Grader & Cleaner, hand power or gas power. If anyone has one would you please let him know.

He adds, 'Thanks for publishing the Maytag serial numbers. It sure helps collectors date their engines.'

Coming to the readers for assistance is this letter from MIKE SCHNEIDER, 7621 Tabernacle, Louisville, Ohio 44641: 'I need to know the original color and pin striping for my 1 HP Hummer gas engine. Also, on the front of the water hopper is some lettering which I can't quite figure out. It reads Distributors, Sprenkle & M York, Pa. Pat June 29th 1915. What word is that beginning with M?'

'Having become interested in old engines, I think the GEM is one fine magazine, with lots of information. I have ordered things from different ads, that I can't find elsewhere. I think it is fantastic the way people share their information.

'I recently came into possession of two old engines which I need some information on the first one is a 1 HP Root & Vandervoort S/N AL14246. I need to know the color of engine, the striping and the age. The second one is Frost King Jr. made by the John Lauson Mfg. Co. New Holstein, Wisconsin, S/N 26664, 1 HP. What was the original color and age? Did this engine have a decal on it, if so where?' (If you can help, write to ARTHUR J. BLACKMORE, RR2, Elpaso, Illinois 61738.)

'Since I did not receive one single letter as to my What Is It? question that was in March/April '83, I have decided to send in two more clearer pictures HOPING someone can identify it. Any more around like it? Please let me know,' says ROBERT A. HAMILTON, Route 3, Paris, Ontario, Canada N3L 3E3.

From across the sea comes this communication from PHILIP JEWELL, 'May Glen', Gilgardra, NSW Australia 2827. 'Recently I obtained a Reeco-improved Rider-Ericcson Hot Air pumping engine, size 6 #20837 of 1907 with rolling valve pump. I am presently restoring this engine and would be very interested in seeing articles on hot air engines, their operation and -.

(How about it, fellows ?) Also if any of the readers have information or descriptions on hot air engines, please copy it and send it to me to help build up a store of information. This would be greatly appreciated!

In conjunction with my restoration, I have started a register of all hot air engines of any description in Australia. Anyone with a hot air engine is invited to write to me with details of the engine for inclusion in my register. At the present, the register totals 15 confirmed and another 25 I am chasing up for final details.'

JIM TREWARTHA, Box 58, Hazel Green, Wisconsin 53811 has an engine manufactured by the John Lauson Co. of New Holstein, Wisconsin. It is a S/N 1751, 450 RPM and 2 HP. It is missing about everything that could be easily removed. The carburetor is still there. He would like to correspond with anyone who has one or knows about an engine like this one. Also would like to know the age. He is also interested in learning all he can about the Lauson Co. and will answer all letters. Jim adds:

'I have an Allis-Chalmers Model UC tractor, S/N 4564. I need to find the year of mfg. for sure. I think it is a '38 or '39.'

DAVID LINCOLN, 173 Elizabeth Street, Stratford, Ontario, Canada needs some information on the following gas engines and is expecting to hear from you.

1. Waterloo Gasoline Engine Co., Waterloo, Iowa, Type K, S/N 215300, 2 HP, 575 RPM. He is seeking the original color, year of mfg., striping, if any and color. 2. Meco, 2 HP S/N A2558, Manufacturers Engine Co., M.O. USA. Desires original color, striping and color, mag make and location if any and gas tank location. 3. FH? Briggs and Stratton. Information needed as to year of mfg., method of starting as there is no provision for a chain kick start. It has a larger base than most engines he has seen. It has sloped fins on the cylinder, one push rod operated exhaust valve, gas tank is in base measuring 8' wide, 11 1/8' long and 37/8' deep.

'Here is a picture of my 12 HP Majestic engine. I need to hear from some of your readers as to color, striping and how the name Majestic was written. Any help will be appreciated and I will answer all letters.' This plea comes from ROY HOUGH, 12095 Sunfield Road, Sunfield, Michigan 48890.

While you are answering letters, here come some more questions from HARRY L. COOK, 504 Walton Street, Wilson, North Carolina 27893: 'I would like to know more about an engine I have. It is an Ideal mfg. by Ideal Engine Co. Lansing, Michigan USA S/N 16920, 4 HP, Type M, Speed 375 to 475. When was this engine produced? What was the original paint color and was there any pin striping or not? This engine looks like a Novo engine (vertical) but has an oval hopper. It is all complete and is a hit and miss type engine. I hope to have it running soon.

'I'm also interested in learning about the - of the Cook Gasoline Engine. I don't have a Cook engine but I'd like to know what HP were built, what they looked like, and what the engine color was'

MRS. HOWARD LORD, RR#1, Box 108 AA, Burnettsville, Indiana 47926 sends the following note and poem as a tribute to her husband:

'Thought this poem I've written might fit in your GEM which my husband enjoys so much. I've lost count of the tractors Howard has restored for himself, as well as others. I must admit, I've been doubtful at times, when I see those old tractors hauled, pulled, or however they manage to get them to him; but the results truly amaze me.

'This is more than a hobby or a job to my husband. Many proud and satisfied fellows can testify to that.'


Call it what you may,
why this man toils away.
On a tractor, long ready for the heap.

With a gleam in his eye.
His old sander sitting by.
He'll attack that ole junker with a leap.

Dedicated to the core.
He must see something more.
You can bet, he recalls yesterdays.

When its paint is shining new.
And the engine purring too.
Toiled away till the job was through.

Missing parts he sets out,
for a search with no doubt.
Gonna be worth the fixing, and the time.

Seen the look in his eye.
That in the near by and by.
Every thing is going to turn out just fine.

Watched this man, tired and still,
like a sculptor.
Molds and builds every stroke for perfection he strives.

Cause the dream in his heart,
inch by inch, part by part.
Just to keep that old tractor alive.

Some short but very important letters come from different areas and I'm sure you'll be interested in contents and in assistance... AL RINGSTAD, 1471 N.E. Madison Road, Poulsbo, Washington 98730 has a 5 HP one lung water-cooled gas engine, 4 cycle, 5 inch bore. Says it looks like the paint was red. Flywheels 28'. Only identification is S/N on the water jacket on brass plate reads: Eng. No. 230140 R.P.M. 425 HP 5E ... TED GAIDELIS, 1 West Hodges Street, Norton, Massachusetts 02766 has a small Tuttle internal make and break vertical engine mfg. in New York in the late 1800 to early 1900s. Would appreciate any kind of information. ... KEITH E. TUCKER, 516 E. Marion Street, Converse, Indiana 46919 has a 5 HP Waterloo Boy kerosene engine and would like year of mfg. S/N is 205264. He's appreciate other info as well. ... BOB STRANKEY, RR #3, Fort Dodge, Iowa 50501 wants to correspond with anyone having information on Doodle Bug motor scooters made in the 40's and 50's. ... BEN RHOADS, Route 1, Box 68, Buna, Texas 77612,409-994-2776 has a 5 HP air-cooled Bovaird & Seyfond vertical engine. It is a very rare engine for that part of the country. He needs help as to type of mag, hot tube size, etc. and would like to correspond with anyone who can help him. ... BERTRAM ADAMS, Route l00n, Wilmington, Vermont 05363 needs to know color and pinstriping for the 5 HP Galloway. Serial number is 19228.

This picture has been hiding in the files and should have hit the column afore this time, I'd sayit comes from JOHN RASMUSSEN, 6750 Rattalee Lake Road, Clarkston, Michigan 48016. That's John trying to twist on an old Cat Thirty that resides in the woods near Custer, Michigan. Says that the white blanket covering the Cat isn't cotton or white sand. (Pretty winter picture though, John).

Anyone out there know of an organization called National Antique Tractor Pullers Association? If so, what is the address? These questions come from FRANK BLASKOVICH, JR., 2525 War wood A Venue, Wheeling, West Virginia 26003 and frankly, we too, would like to know.

Frank's letter continues: 'I am already a member of the N.T.P.A. but their records only go back to 1969. Where or who would one contact in order to obtain data or photos of old tractors in pulling competition? My main interest is in International and John Deere from approximately the mid 20's until 1960. Hope someone will be able to help.'

'I enjoy reading every issue of GEM, ' comment PAUL D. FALK, 1038 Oakland, Topeka, Kansas 66616.

Continuing the letter: 'My 13 year old son, Russell, and I have just started collecting old gas engines. I am sending two pictures of the engines we have we know very little about them.

Engine No. 2 has no name on it but the I.D. plate reads: Engine No. 362135. We would like help on both engines, the age of both, the make of Engine No. 2, and any help that can be given.' (Some new engine enthusiasts. Guys, help them get started!)

An interesting item coming up in the future date your calendar, you may be interested as PATRICIA A. HAAS, President, Westminster Historical Society, RD #3, Box 64, Putney, Vermont 05346 writes: 'The Westminster Historical Society of Westminster, Vermont is preparing to honor the Abenaque Machine Company and their engine during the last weekend of August 1985. We plan to host a gas engine meet with special attention to the Abenaque. We are hoping the owners of these unique engines will make a special effort to attend.

We have hopes of publishing a booklet on the company and the engine. Our research is going slowly, but surely. With luck, we should be able to reproduce a manual and a catalog.

There hasn't been an Abenaque engine in our town for sometime, at least as far as we can ascertain. We have been lucky in finding a 1903 5 HP for which we hope to raise funds allowing us to donate it to the town. Our committee is in the process of restoring the engine. As far as we can determine, it is in original condition.

Should anyone out there like to give us advice on our engine, or some historical information or anecdote, we would be most grateful. If you are interested in the meet to be held in the future, do send us your name and address.' (We wish you well with the project you have undertaken other towns have also done honor to engines manufactured locally.)

'I am new at the hobby of collecting old engines and really enjoy GEM,' comments JOHN MORGAN, JR., Route 1, Saltville, Virginia 24370.

'This summer I managed to get two old engines, neither of which were running. Both were complete, but stuck. I now have one of them running. It is a Friend, S/N DX6374 with a pump on it. The other is an International Famous, vertical tank-cooled 2 HP, S/N KA17842. As soon as one of your advertisers gets the ignition to it rebuilt, I think it will fire up.

If anyone could tell me the proper color for these engines, what year they were made and the HP of the Friend, I would appreciate it. (Again, referring to C. H. Wendel's American Gasoline Engines Since 1872, we find that the DX model was rated at 4 HP.)

'Enclosed are two snaps of my 2 HP Fairbanks Morse engine, S/N 871135 Type Z, (1945) according to Wayne Grenning's list of March/April 1982 issue,' says ANDREW W. DOLAN C.R.T., Box 41, Newcastle, N.B. Canada E1V-3MZ.

'I restored my engine according to a 1929 instruction booklet in which it called the engine a 1 HP. Somewhere the HP increased slightly to 2 HP. However, I cannot find out when this increase took place.

The motor is mounted on pine skids. The printing on the skids was done with 'Letraset'. My trade is a mechanical draftsman designer, so I have to do a good printing job! It is sitting on a large elm tree stump the tree had fallen victim to the Dutch elm disease.

'On one side of the skid I have printed: Fairbanks-Morse 2 HP Flywheel 1500 RPM Camshaft 750 RPM. On the other side: Fairbanks-Morse 'Z' Engine Style 'D'. I have restored a F-M 1 HP (Z) some time ago and am now working on a 6 HP McCormick Deering.'

BILL ORR, Route 12, Box 41, Dothan, Alabama 36303 tells us: 'I have recently acquired an engine and am in need of information about it. It is a Detroit horizontal 4 stroke S/N 1658 with a 4' bore and 6' stroke. I need to know year of mfg., HP, etc.

I enjoy your magazine and look forward to hearing from your readers.'

'I am looking for the date of manufacture of my Fairbanks-Morse 6 HP 450 RPM S/N 584130.

Also, I have a Fairbanks-Morse water pump S/N T 37410 with a 6' x 10' bore and stroke. The pump sits alongside the engine and is gear-driven. I haven't been able to find any information on it. I purchased these two engines from an old friend on the west shore of Lake Tahoe and he said the pump engine ran there for many years pumping water for a resort. Any help will be greatly appreciated,' declares CHUCK McCLURE, 12716 Douglas Street, Yucaipa, California 92399.

Needing information on the engines he describes is MONTE SHOCKMAN, 5021 Peg Street, Boise, Idaho 83705: 'Just starting to enjoy my second year of GEM. I recently acquired four engines from one person this past Labor Day.

The three on the left are B & S, FHs and WMB, but the one on the right has me puzzled. It resembles a Model FH Briggs & Stratton. It is 16' high. Base has filler plugs for gas and oil. Bore 2'. It has an aluminum air shroud with #LVB 790 on the inside of it. The engine itself has the #VB 2734 on a square plate at the base of the engine. It has a Wico mag in the flywheel with #011510 on the tag. Mag is type FGA. One of the filler plugs for the gas tank has letters TB on it. The man I bought it from said it was a Clinton. An engine fan said it was a Sattley that was made for Montgomery Ward by Nelson Bros. It has an oil pump like a FH Briggs. It also has two outside push rods.

Just a week ago I bought another engine much like it only it has an outside gas tank and a Tillotson carburetor. The engine is #VSG 1304 with #2VB 190 on the outside of the cast aluminum engine shroud. It also has outside pushrods and a 2' bore. It was running in a couple of days but the governor is messed up and I don't know how it connects to the carb. I will have to re-ring this one because it smokes real bad and doesn't have much compression. They both have a starting crank that lifts up on a half moon ratchet on the left side. Any help or literature will be appreciated.

My friend, Bill Sherwood, and I just spent eight days at the Western Idaho Fair here in Boise and were able to display some of our restored engines. We received free passes for our families and were reiumbursed for our gas and oil. We displayed 13 engines and equipment including his 5 HP Witte diesel, 1935? model which we need information on and my Kinkade garden tractor (see picture). My Kinkade is about a 1938 model S/N 309L 1724. We took these two machines to Brooke, Oregon last July and got many good comments on them.

During the fair a man gave me a 1 HP Economy. He said, 'If you can make it run and look as good as the rest you have restored, it's yours.' It's in pretty sad shape but it will turn over. A few parts are missing and broken, but I have high hopes for it. Any information on the above will be greatly appreciated.

I want to thank all the guys who answered my questions in a previous GEM. I wasn't able to answer them but their information really helped.'

In closing, I wish for you all the very best and a friend sent this following poem which has much wisdom and caring for those who are to follow us. I'm sure you will enjoy it, and please think about it. It comes from FLOYD MATHES, 4238 East Avenue, Livermore, California 94550:

An old man traveling a lone highway,
Came at the evening, cold and gray,
To a chasm vast, and deep, and wide.
The old man crossed in the twilight dim,
The sullen stream had no terror for him.
But he turned when safe on the other side,
And built a bridge to span the tide.
'Old man,' said a fellow pilgrim near,
'You're wasting your strength building here:
Your journey will end with the ending day,
You never again will pass this way,
You've crossed the chasm deep and wide,
Why build a bridge to span the tide?'
The builder lifted his old gray head
'Good friend, in the path I have come,' he said,
'There follow eth after me today a youth
 A youth whose feet must pass this way.
This chasm which has been as naught to me,
To that fair-haired youth may a pitfall be:
He, too, must cross in the twilight dim,
Good friend, lam building this bridge for him.'

Love Ya All! Let your hopes soar in '84. Keep the letters coming!