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Hi! A very prosperous New Year to you in many ways-and there are so many letters that I'm not going to say much else-of course I couldn't get away without just a bit of advice for the forthcoming months and here 'tis-If you wouldn't write it and sign it, don't say it!

First letter comes from LEONARD AYCOCK, 765 Sunder-land Road, Concord, North Carolina 28025: 'I enjoy the Gas and Steam magazines very much. I don't know how I missed these old hit and miss engines for about 59 years. In February 1981 I bought an old engine, maybe an Economy 6 HP, no nameplate. In the Economy books I can't find any like it-and none at the shows. Did Economy make two alike? I cleaned it up a little and reworked the head. Made the valves out of Cat which came from a junk yard. I just tried to fire it up-it hit two times.

Also, in June I bought another engine about 5 HP, no nameplate. It runs great, but I need to know this engine's name. On the hopper the letters are DDD, on the rocker arm BNW, on the block BWZ, governor on flywheel has two springs on sides, flywheels 2? x 27'. I got the fever on old steam and gas-please help!'

EUGENE THOMPSON, 105 Hawbrook, Jerseyville, Illinois 62052 is a new subscriber and enjoys the magazine immensely and has found it very valuable in obtaining parts. Further on, his letter reads, 'I have a Standard Twin garden tractor, serial #408C10270 manufactured by the Standard Engine Company of Minneapolis, Minnesota. I would appreciate it very much if someone could tell me what year the tractor was manufactured and what the original color scheme was. Thanks.'

Some help is needed by WAYNE GRENNING, 318 Summit Street, Boonville, New York 13309: 'I have recently traded two engines for a pair of Domestic sideshafts. One is a 2 HP hit and miss serial #26142, the other being a 1? HP hit and miss serial #30292. The 2 HP engine is of the newer type and has high tension ignition. It is mounted on original factory cart which includes a large diaphragm mud pump. The other engine was originally attached to a piston pump, which is now missing. This engine is also of the newer type with high tension ignition. I would like to know the color of these engines, pump and cart and the exact or close diagram of the pin striping. The color appears to have been a gray or blue, however, I am not sure since they have both been repainted.

The 2 HP has no mag and the 1? HP has a Wico type E.K. I believe they should both have Wico type P.R. high tension magnetos, is this so? What are the dates of manufacture? Any information will be greatly appreciated and answered. I would also like to thank all of the great people who responded to my Fairbanks Morse article in the July-August issue of GEM.

DON SIEFKER, 705 W. Annie Dr., Muncie, Indiana 47302 sends this: 'This is in reply to C. A. Poulson's letter in 'Smoke Rings' Sept.-Oct. 1981, page 14 concerning a Farm Master engine, model 811.2, 2 HP. A quick check of the 12 year Index to GEM reveals one reference to a picture of a Farm Master 2 HP engine, that is in the Nov.-Dec. 1973 issue of GEM, page 27. I think these engines were manufactured by Cushman Motor Works, Lincoln, Nebraska and sold by Sears under the name of Farm Master or Sears Farm Master. The Farm Master is the same as the Cushman Cub and I would guess the date of manufacture to be about 1933. The Sears Farm Master engines that I have seen have all been painted a bright red.

As to his second question, the year of his International LB 1?-2? HP serial #LBA 117210, the year is 1947, with the year 1948 being the last year made.

'Can someone tell me why there is a difference in the outside diameter and also in the width of some John Deere 1? HP E engines? Also can you tell me if a bushing or bushings were on early 1? HP, model E engine, or if they just used the cast iron as a bearing for the governor and the cam gear?' This request comes from HOWARD GIBBLE, RD 1, Box 548, Mt. Joy, Pennsylvania 17552.

A picture comes from OWEN STACKHOUSE, Box 175, Geneva, Iowa 50633 with this writing: 'Help! Look close at this picture. If you have one like this or can tell me where it was made, I would appreciate it. It is a three speed pump jack, changes speeds six times every revolution. I take it to shows, mounted on pump belted to gas engine pumping water. It is very attractive when running.

ROBERT PETERS, 11623 E. 38th Street, Independence, Missouri 64052 wants to tell us: 'I subscribed to Gas Engine and received my first issue (July-August 1981). I am new and green in the art of restoring gas engines, having acquired my first and only one last winter on my brother-in-law's farm, buried in the dirt by the side of his brooder house.

Now for my good fortune. Page 18 of the Sept.-Oct. issue of GEM has a picture of a 1? HP Nelson engine owned by Mr. Willard Wilks from Brinkley, Arkansas. To make a long story short, the engine I have is just like his. I have corresponded with Mr. Wilks and we find that we each have the missing parts the other one needs. We have sent the parts to the foundry for duplication and are both on the way to getting our engines restored.

Thought you would like to hear again how your Smoke Rings column helps people do the impossible.

DALE McCORD, Box 250, Hamlet, Indiana 46532 is in hopes of getting some help on his newly acquired Witte 12 HP Dieslectric plant. He needs to know how to put a water cooler on it and what to use for one. He also would like to know the original color and paint number on it. Would appreciate knowing the year. Serial number is D 3244. He also has a Witte generator with serial #034377 and needs the color information on it.

Needing your assistance, this request comes from CHARLES C. GRAY, 9620 Ravenna Road, Chardon, Ohio 44024: 'I am in the process of restoring a Famous 3 HP vertical engine, serial #LA 2111/E and need to know the size and location of the original battery box and water hopper. It was probably built prior to 1907 since it has no water pump and no provision for mounting one and therefore would not use the low water hopper with the cone screen often seen in International Harvester reprint literature. Sticking up out of the skids, which are original, are two 3/8' diameter by 56' long steel rods. On each rod is a cast L shaped bracket which probably slipped over the top edge of the original water hopper allowing it to be clamped down. A 10' diameter by 25' long tank currently with the engine does not appear to be original. Factory reprint literature from 1907 states that the engines were painted red with green flywheels. My engine appears to have been painted red with black flywheels. It also has a brass mixer carburetor cover. I would appreciate any sketches or pictures of the original set-up.'

A compliment from JOHN B. MULFORD, JR., Lodi, New York 14860 as he says: 'You put out an excellent magazine, so many good articles and restoration ideas. Now I am restoring a 1929 T 25-35 Case cross motor kerosene tractor, which I was well acquainted with back in the 1930s and 40s. It pulled a big Case grain separator all over this area, threshing the grain in South Seneca County. The tractor was repainted the wrong color and I hope someone will let me know the right color. A deep blue paint shows up, by scraping away the red paint. Blue is what I remember, but what shade? Does any reader have a DuPont paint number? Also would like to hear from someone who can tell me the diameter of the pulley on the camshaft which was belted to the oiler pulley.' (You'll probably get letters, John.)

A letter reprinted here due to an error in address-EDWARD C. JONES, 919 N. Hoosac Road, Williamstown, Massachusetts 01267 says: 'I recently purchased a 5 HP Majestic engine, serial #152588. I cannot seem to find any articles regarding Majestic engines and the company which manufactured them-National Dairy Machine Company, located in Goshen, Indiana. I would like to know about the company, what year my engine was made, its original color, size and location of gas tank.' (Hope this brings some help, Ed.)

This short writing comes from DON BRYAN, 7877 N. Hayes Road, Williamsfield, Ohio 44093: 'Enclosing a picture of a carburetor in hopes that one of your readers may be able to tell me what kind of an engine or tractor it came from. It is 18' from the bottom of the valve to the top of the inlet pipe. It is all brass and has two line connectors in the chamber above the fuel reservoir and below the inlet tube, which may have been to preheat the fuel. The only lettering is the letter H between the reservoir and the chamber.

Any information as to what this carburetor came from will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for a great magazine.'

THOMAS S. MOCK, 1608 Golf Course Road, Grand Rapids, Minnesota 55744 says he received his Sept.-Oct. issue and read it cover to cover that morning. Then he says: 'I am in the process of restoring a sawmill which I purchased last summer through an ad in GEM. It was manufactured by the Geiser Manufacturing Co. of Waynesboro, Pennsylvania and has serial #7029. I would like to know something about the history of the company, the color of the mill as it left the factory, etc. I would be particularly interested in corresponding with anyone who has a similar mill. Since I see many calls for help of this nature in the Smoke Rings, I would be very grateful if you would add mine to the list. Thank you.'

Quite an interesting letter comes from one of our younger members of the GEM family as HOARD SINS, R.D. 1, West Leyden, New York 13489: 'I can't tell you how much your magazine has helped me in my hobby. I have only asked for help once before, but I need some now.

I have recently obtained an Empire engine and from the manual I got with it, I found that it is a 2? HP model. It has a Wizard magneto. What I would like to know is the color it was, how old it is and what connection it had with Alamo engine. Serial number is 82639. I would also like to thank everyone who helped me with my last questions on the Fairbanks Morse. I found that it was a F/M Z oil engine, 3 HP made around 1917. I now have it completely restored and painted.

Since I started collecting engines a little over a year ago, I have learned much. Many people that I meet are glad to help with problems and questions that I have. I now have five engines in my collection. In addition to the two mentioned, I have a Hercules Economy, 2? HP, serial #2243 (any idea how old this is?). I also have a 3 HP Novo serial #22608 and a 1? HP Fairbanks Morse Z hit and miss, serial #254028. All of these engines are restored. If anyone can tell the age of any of these engines, I would appreciate hearing from you.

My 14-year old brother has been bitten by the engine bug. He bought a 2 HP Hercules Jaeger the other day and it runs already. I am sure he will be a natural at it. When I go to college next year, he will be in charge of the collection.

Well, that's about all for this time, except I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I also have a thought that I learned the hard way-if something works, don't fix it! Thanks again.' (Thanks Howard for writing.)

D. B. WHITT, RR 6, Lewisburg, West Virginia 24901 sends this: 'I am writing to your Smoke Rings column to request information. I recently acquired a 27-42 Minneapolis cross-mount tractor, serial #11204. I would like to correspond with any and all who have any knowledge of this tractor series.

Among the information sought is the original color or color scheme and decals or lettering and its location, date of manufacture, approximate weight, and information as to the mechanics of the tractor which I will detail to anyone wishing to help me and correspond. I will answer all letters.

My thanks to you and your fine little magazine.'

RONALD O. PAYNE, Route 2, Canton, Illinois 61520 needs to hear from you as he says: 'I need help! I recently purchased a 2 cylinder Novo model FU3X4 gas engine, serial #19447. This is a radiator-cooled engine. Can any of the Novo experts out there tell me the proper color, were there decals and the age?

I also have a two stage air-cooled air compressor opposed cylinder. There is no name or numbers cast in anywhere and has a few chips of a dark green paint. Both heads are made of brass and the pipe that connects the two has large cast washers with spaces in between to help cool the air and the compressor. The compressor does not have a crankshaft of normal shape, instead it has a large eccentric in it. The large piston is about a 3' bore and the small about a 2' bore. Can anyone help me on this one?' (I betcha they can, Ron.)

Another communication comes from BEN RHOADS, Route 1, Box 68, Buna, Texas 77612: 'Being a fairly new subscriber to GEM I want to say I enjoy the Smoke Rings section and the personally written articles very much.

I have several questions for the other readers: I have a 2 HP Witte, made by the Witte Iron Works. When was the name changed to the Witte Engine Works?? What is the proper shade of green to paint the Witte? What are the dimensions for the crankguard, and how was it attached? Does anybody have serial numbers and production dates? The serial number on my Witte is 20030.

I owe Oliver Rhea a big thanks for introducing me to this fine magazine. Keep up the good work.'

NORMAN NYHOF, Route 1, Oostburg, Wisconsin 53070 is happy over receiving help. 'Enclosed is a photo of the engine that appeared in 'What Is It' in the Jan.-Feb. 1981 issue after it was restored. Without the help of your magazine and the help of many of your fine readers, it would have been impossible. Many thanks to all.'

BILL OBERNOLTE, Chateau, Montana 59422 sends this picture and writing: 'I am renewing to the best little magazine printed. This picture is of my F-20 Farmall that I restored after finding it. It was a basket case, but with patience and time, I found the parts. I look in every farm machinery graveyard and scrap pile. Old engine nuts are a breed of their own. My 17-year-old daughter thinks it's the greatest hobby. She drives the Farmall all over, that is why I don't have any lugs and skid . rings on the wheels. I don't think the city fathers would like it too well if we ran it on the streets.

At present, I am restoring a 1927, 15-30 McCormick Deering thresher in nice condition, so you see I am in old farm machinery business, but it sure is fun. Keep up the good work on GEM.'

'I am hoping some of the readers can give me some information on a Sheldon engine. It appears similar to a Waterloo Boy. Engine tag reads Sheldon Engine Number 130744 2 HP, Sheldon Engine and Sales Company, Waterloo, Iowa. I would like to correspond with anyone that owns a similar engine or has information. This comes from DARVIN E. JAHNKE, Box 21, Rochert, Minnesota 56578. 218-847-6993.

A new comer to the hobby desires some answers. HARRY L. COOK, 504 Walton Street, Wilson, North Carolina 27893 writes: 'I have only been collecting one lungers for a short time, but I have nine to date and hope to find many more. I have just found a Witte engine #B11593 in an old junkyard. It was used on an arm swing log saw. The engine was stuck and the head cracked and carb looks terrible. I got the piston freed up the first day I brought it home. I hope to get this throttling engine running again. It has the Witte brass tag but only the serial number was stamped, no horsepower rating. The bore is 3?' and the stroke is 5?'. It has 16?' flywheels. It is a water hopper-cooled one cylinder with round gas tank in front. Could anyone tell me about the horsepower, year this engine was made and the correct color and pin striping, if any?

Also, I have a 1?' Fairbanks Morse model Z with Bosch magneto throttling engine. The engine runs fine on the carb reservoir, but it won't run on the main tank with even gasoline. I have a new gas tank, check valve and fuel line. The carb seems clean and all passages open. The needle valves look good. The engine has good compression and the valves are seated. Help! God bless you for this great magazine. I love GEM and all the great 'down home' people in this hobby.'

A little information is needed by DAVID R. AIKENS, R.D. 2, Edinboro, Pennsylvania 16412. He would like to know what the ball thrust bearing in a governor for a 6 HP Ellis, 2 cycle engine looks like. He also needs a drawing of how the whole governor is assembled. Also can anyone furnish him with the beginning and ending dates of production for Ellis engines and Eclipse engines built by Myrick Machine Co. of Olean, New York? Any background information on these companies will be appreciated.

JOHN GRUBER, 7908 Colonial Lane, Clinton, Maryland 20735 sends his first letter: 'I received my first issue of GEM and I have read and reread every page. 1981 saw me fire up my grandfather's 1926 Economy. Only thing I did was solder and epoxy the gas tank, free up the check valve and find out the plug setting. After 35 years of setting in the 'engine house' on our farm in south New Jersey, it fired up.

I attended my first engine show as an exhibitor and really had a fun time at the Catoctin Show. Since then, I have purchased a 1943 FM Z style D and an early 1920s MECO (Kansas City, MO).

I know so little about engines that I have a lot of questions. 1.Can someone help me with the MECO? Is it a Witte or what? It has a brass plate and serial #A1917.2. What is soft oil? The MECO has oil type reservoirs on the flywheel bearing but oil goes through fairly quickly. Should I be using soft oil? 3. I need some instruction for the F.M. Z 'D'. The engine runs fine but runs hotter than my Economy. Is this normal? 4. I was told that my old Economy was made by Hercules. Can someone help me out here? Serial number is 357947. Finally, thanks to the old-timer up at Centerville, PA show who told me what to set the sparkplug on the Economy at-and thanks to the exhibitors at the Brandy wine, MD Lions Show for giving me help and encouragement, and thanks to GEM for having a place to get questions asked and hopefully answered.'

'I have come to a complete halt on the restoration of my Sattley engine, because I have found out from advertising in GEM that it may be a Hummer engine. Frankly, I had never heard of a Hummer. (The only one I have record of in GEM is on page 7 of Sept.-Oct. 1972 issue. The one pictured there was made in Jackson, Michigan. An unusual feature is that the fuel pump and carburetor are all built together as one unit.-Anna Mae) Maybe some readers can tell me who made the Hummer-Sattley engines. Mine is a spoked flywheel, 1? HP type. I am looking for parts-see Want Ads.' This writing came from PHILIP VAZZANA, 242 St. Poplar, Greenville, Mississippi 38701.

Waiting to hear from the readers is PAUL RAGNAR ROOS, 4354 Twain Ave., Suite E, San Diego, California 92120: 'I have recently acquired an interesting engine that some of the readers might find fun to talk about. It is a Buffalo Gasolene Motor Co. type A 2 cylinder 2 HP marine engine I believe to be manufactured in 1950.

This engine is in poor repair; and disassembled and I would like to correspond with any folks that might have any photographs or information of a complete engine.

I would be very pleased if some readers would respond to my classified ad under Wanted.'

Next note comes from BILL CHAMBERS, 3324 Silver, Wichita, Kansas 67217: 'Please find enclosed a picture of a 40-60 Case that my father ran in northern Oklahoma during the 1915/16 threshing season. The area was mostly in south of Ponca City. He has told me of crossing on a bridge and how the engine shook the bridge so bad they would be forced to stop the engine until the bridge would stop shaking. They would then restart and drive a few feet until the bridge became violent again. He also told of a secret throttle consisting of a piece of wire hooked to the governor that he could hook with his toe when the pitchers would try to slug the separator. He said they would have to work on the engine until late at night so it would be in shape to run the next day. And those were 'The Good Old Days?'

EDWARD C. WAY, 41 Ashaway Road, Westerly, Rhode Island 02891 needs information on a 1915 Fairbanks engine, 1? HP. Any kind of information and especially on parts would be a great help.

A note from CHARLES R. LACKEY, 1006 E. 69th St., Hutchinson, Kansas 67501 reads: 'I have a Weber oil engine. It is type B.M. Size 10? x 14. The serial number is 119, and it was made in Kansas City, Mo. The engine was sold by Atlas Supply Company, Muskogee, OK branch.

I was wondering if any gas or oil engine enthusiast would have any information on this engine. I would appreciate it very much.

I believe your Gas Engine Magazine is the best ever for providing all kinds of information.'

LLOYD LINDERSON, 2907-93rd Avenue, S.W., Olympia, Washington 98502 says: 'I read the article on page 14 of Sept.-Oct. '81 GEM about the Farm Master engine. I have a 5 HP Farm Master engine that I restored several years ago. I am sending photos of it. It was built by Cushman Co. for Sears, Roebuck & Co. and sold by them under the name Farm Master. Serial #A154799, model #R40, 5 HP, 850 rpm. I enjoy your part of the magazine very much. Keep up the good work. And really I enjoy the magazine from cover to cover.' (Thanks Lloyd, we love our GEM family and appreciate your comments.)

(Also Lloyd, I'd like to inform you and the readers we did have a picture of a Farm Master in Nov.-Dec. 1973 GEM, page 27. It is a Sears Farm Master, 2 HP about 1933.)

Hoping to receive some answers, this writing comes from DAN McARTHUR, 818 E. Baird Street, Holly, Michigan 48442: 'I've been receiving GEM for two years but this is the first time I have written. I need some help with the year some of my engines were manufactured. They are an Ideal upright water-cooled with an igniter, serial #1192; a Brown-wall water-cooled made in Holland, Michigan, serial #121180; an Associated Hired Man, serial #121180; also a small garden tractor called a Waterbury Rider made in Waterbury, Connecticut by the Vickers Company, serial #188. Any help will be really appreciated.

I look forward to every issue of your magazine-keep up the good work.' (Thanks for writing Dan-we welcome GEM family letters.)

ERIC L. CHESTER, Memorial Drive, Lyndonville, Vermont 05851 throws out this question: 'I've noticed in Sept.-Oct. issue in an article that a Fuller Johnson is a rare engine. I am writing to see if someone can tell me how old and how rare one would be with a serial #71374, 500 rpm, 1? HP and if there is a listing of makes and years of manufacture to help to know what are good and which are better. I also have a United 2  cyl. 25 HP that no one seems to know anything about it. It ran a sawmill more than fifty years ago.'

A novice in collecting engines writes us: 'I recently bought my first engine which is a Fairbanks Morse Z, 3  HP manufactured in 1920. I am restoring it and need to know a few things. I want to build a simple hand truck and would like some pictures, plans and descriptions of what was used. I already have a set of 8? steel wheels. Also, I am confused on the paint color of a 1920 FM Z. I need to know or see color pictures of what parts were what colors.' Welcome to our column DONALD C. GILLUM, 2237 Thornwood Ave., Wilmette, Illinois 60091. I feel sure you will receive some answers and we thank you for writing.)

'Would you please put this request for information in your Smoke Rings column?' asks FRED PRICHARD, 160 Highland Street. Plymouth, New Hampshire 03264. 'I have recently obtained an early 5 HP hit and miss Havana engine, serial #1653. This engine is tank-cooled with an enclosed crank and pedestal type base. It is an unusual engine in the New England area as I have not seen another.' (I don't think we here at GEM have ever had much information on the Havana-in looking back over the records, we have a picture of one in May-June 1974, page 31. It was printed in with some show pictures sent in by C. J. Nelson Langdon, Myersville, Maryland 21773. No information except to say it is a Havana, better know as Castro, and runs smooth as a kitten.)

Fred continues, 'The engine has what appears to be a professional conversion to sparkplug ignition instead of an igniter. I would like to correspond with other Havana owners as to what the igniter and trip rod looked like so I could make the parts. Also interested in what the gas and cooling tanks looked like. Also would like any pictures or descriptions.'

DAVID L. IMMEL, R.D. 1, Box 286-A, Belleville, Pennsylvania 17004 sends this: 'I have a pump made by Viking Pump Co. The patent dates on the brass plate are Jan. 25, 1910- Oct. 29, 1912, Feb. 2, 1914 and Feb. 9, 1915. I would like to know the correct paint colors, also rpms. It appears to be a centrifuge pump and I'd like to know if the company is still in business.

I also have a 1933 CT4 Stover and would like to know how to set the carburetor as when we start it, the engine cuts out and quits. If you open the gas any more, then it floods out. Is this normal for this engine?

Enjoy your magazine very much.'

Some information that may help quite a few readers comes from DON CROSS, 2631 Lynndale Drive, Appleton, Wisconsin 54911: 'In your July-Aug. 1981 magazine regarding an inquiry by James F. Crews concerning a Baker fan, I have this information from Dykes Automobile & Gasoline Engine Encyclopedia #83. 'A Fan Dynamometer' consisting of a two blade fan. Fan blades are 10' x 14' on 40' centers mounted as a paddle wheel. They furnish the following specifications: 400 rpm

1 HP, 600 rpm - 2? HP, 1000 rpm -

12 HP,1200 rpm - 20 HP, 1300 rpm -

25 HP, 1400 rpm - 37 HP, 1500 rpm -

40 HP, 1600 rpm - 48 HP, 1700 rpm-

60 HP, 1800 rpm - 70 HP.'

GARLAND R. GOESCH, 1512 Lynn Avenue, Modesto, California 95351 has lots of tips for the GEM family: 'Today I received my Sept.-Oct. issue of GEM and would like to respond to some questions and statements of the readers. It seems to me that shared information benefits us all more than do secrets. Here are a couple of short cuts from my file cabinet. The library has a copy of the old Sears & Wards catalogs. They both have good information about the Economy & Sattley engines, complete with decal placement, striping details, weight and cost in those days.

When I need a new gas tank of a rectangular shape, I have found a sheet metal man who has a sheer and brake in his garage. All I have him do is to brake up the ends and body like my old tank. After that, I assemble and solder it myself. Today, I picked up a tank for a 3 HP FM for $9.00. This is very reasonable. I use the fittings from the old tank and solder them on the new one. For a filler neck and cap, just find the size needed on any other type of can, one gallon, or brake fluid, or whatever and unsolder it, and then recycle it on the new tank. So much for that!

A paint that is available in any auto paint outlet that matches Fairbanks Morse is: Dupont-Dulux 54738-D. Other manufacturers of paint will have a cross reference number for their particular brand. One would be hard pressed to distinguish this from the original.

When one needs a check valve for a gas line, go to an auto parts house that has a full line catalog for Weather head brass fittings. Check valves will be listed there for gas lines up to 3/8'. I purchased five this week for  ?' line at 77? each.

Now! About the great Baker Fan controversy. I once read an article about the Baker Fan and its creation. Mr. Baker who manufactured the Baker steam traction engine, had an arch rival who also built an engine. I do not recall his name. They were both claiming that their engine developed more power and could outwork the other. They were both supposed to be at the same sales demonstration, so Baker conceived and built the fan to be able to prove the power superiority of his engine. As it turned out at the demonstration the other engine was able to turn more rpm's in the belt than was the Baker. This proved to be a little embarrassing to Mr. Baker. The article also had specifications for building a Baker Fan.

Well Anna Mae, thanks for letting me use your soap box for a little while. It's been a pleasure being able to talk with so many of my chugger buddies at once. I hope someone will be able to use the enclosed information. May God bless each one of you in your particular needs.' (Thanks for sending all this information Garland-and God bless you too.)

A new member of our family writes: 'I just received my first issue of GEM and after reading every word of it from cover to cover, I decided maybe someone could help me through Smoke Rings, so here's my problem.

I'd like to know everything about my 2? HP Galloway engine. Serial #032182 and has various numbers on it as AB71 on the main bearing, AB4 on the crankshaft, AB50 on the governor arm and BX27 on the valve push arm guide. I'd like to know what year it was made and the color scheme, preferably pictures. Also, it has a Webster tri-polar oscillator, #1021518, type AMM for a magneto. Is this stock? Sometimes it fires, other times it does not and it may be because the little armature moves inside of the housing that holds it, although I don't know much about it. Can someone help me? I am stuck with an engine in very good condition with an exception of one babbitt bearing on the crankshaft, that does not run because of it.

Thanks to the Sept.-Oct. issue, I have almost got the babbitt bearing poured and completed, but the magneto still eludes my mechanical abilities.' (This letter comes from TOM GIESE, 967 8th Street, Green Bay, Wisconsin 54304. We hope you get your answers Tom, and welcome to the Family.)

JAMES WOOLEY, 7959 Lava Court, LaMesa, California 92041 needs to know the colors for a 4 HP Cushman upright and a Kalamazoo 2 cycle railroad speeder car. If you could, please drop him a note.

'Pictured are two shots of our sorghum-making operation. I rescued this cane mill from a briar patch in the summer of 1980 and had to rebuild it completely, but had it ready to make sorghum by fall. That year I powered it with my 1937 John Deere B. In October 1981, with the promise of feeding him ham and beans, I invited my friend, Ray Baker, to bring his 16 HP Witte engine to power the mill. Ray is a blacksmith and engine collector from Springville, Indiana and did all the work on this beautiful engine. I would like to hear from other people who still make sorghum with power mills or horse mills.' (This letter came from JIM FOX, R. 3, Box 191, Mitchell, Indiana 47446-Good luck Jim and Ray and working together sounds like you might have some super meals also.)

WALT TAUBENECK, 4213 80th St., N.E., Marysville, Washington 98270 sends his picture and says: 'Here is a hi tension mag that has never shown up in any gas engine magazine or mag book. Maybe someone out there has some dope on it. Surely would be pleased to hear from them. See Want Ad in back of GEM.'

An interesting letter of some of the engines in England comes from one of our GEM members as R. N. McCRAY writes: 'Many thanks for publishing my request for information on refinishing old engines in the Sept.-Oct. issue of good old GEM. Just hope some kind soul will answer the need and tell us how to do it.

In the meantime, Hazel and I have made a two week driving trip through England from the southern coast to the Scottish border. It is amazing the number of fine, big, old engines the British have preserved and now have on exhibition, many of them in operation on their holidays. I was fortunate enough to visit two of them, one of them in operation.

In Portsmouth, on the south coast, a compound steam engine built and installed by James Watt in 1886 was under steam for public viewing. It is a beam type engine powered through a 20' diameter high pressure and a 30' diameter low pressure cylinders with 4'-6' and 6'-0' strokes respectively, running 20 rpm. The flywheel is 15 feet in diameter and the engine runs on steam at 80 psi from four James Watt boilers. The engine and its accessories are painted and polished so they are a real work of art and to see a 95 year old engine running along, quietly and majestically, is a real thrill.

The other engine was just as remarkable even though it was not running. Located in the east midland country at Stretham, the engine powered a 37' diameter scoop wheel at 4 rpm that lifted 30 tons of water per revolution out of the fens (swampland) so they can be used for farming. When installed in 1831 the engine operated under 4 psi steam pressure fed into a 39' diameter cylinder with an 8' stroke at 16 rpm. The 24' diameter flywheel is driven from the 25' long beam and is geared to an internal gear in the scoop shovel. A truly remarkable installation!

I obtained a listing of 63 of the engines they have preserved and are exhibiting. They range from a drainage windmill built in 1837 to fairly modern turbines and include an original atmospheric engine built by Newcomen, one of the early engine developers. Copies of the list can be obtained by asking for W.S.A.C. Information Leaflet No. 6 from the 'Water Space Amenity Commission, 1 Queen Anne's Gate, London SW1H9BT, England. I would suggest that anyone in America or Canada requesting a copy include $1.00 for surface postage or $2.00 for airmail.

So if you like big, old engines, England is the place to find them.'

TOM CROZIER, R.R. 1, Ailsa Craig, Ontario, Canada needs a few answers as he states: 'I purchased a 2? HP Judson (C. S. Judson Co. Ltd. Winnipeg Manitoba, Canada) #Y73705. I believe it is an early Stover. I think these same engines were also sold by the T. Eaton Company. What does the small lever that locks the intake valve shut look like? How is it activated by the exhaust lever and what attachment is on the stem of the intake valve besides the spring. Was the igniter a Webster mag-ignition unit? I'd appreciate information.

I enjoy GEM very much. Please find enclosed a drawing of a muffler I made and it works very well.' (Thanks Tom for writing and I am sure many will enjoy your drawing of the muffler.)

Here is a letter of interest and it comes from EARLE NICKERSON, Rt. 2 Box 309, Wauchula, Florida 33873: 'Thank you for publishing the picture of the Advance Rumely School at Harrisburg, PA as the centerfold of Nov.-Dec. issue of GEM. The date and place was cut from the bottom of the picture and thought the folks would like to know about this. The date was January 25-27, 1927.' (Thanks Earle, we are happy to know that information and many of you may not know that Harrisburg is just a few miles from we folks in Enola as we say-just across the River-Susquehanna, that is.)

LARRY HARRIS, 1110 Hudson, Alliance, Nebraska 69301 is trying to get some information on a piece of equipment he bought at an estate sale. He writes, 'It is a bucket loader which is reverse mounted on an Allis-Chalmers tractor frame. It is heavily beefed up by 5/8' x 6' side rails which provide the support for the cylinder mounts and operator platform. Tractor tires are 12.4-24 8 ply and steering tires are 6.50-16 6 ply, both sets of tires are filled with calcium chloride. Nameplate on inside of firewall bears this information-Tractomotive Corp., Deerfield, Illinois Model TLW Serial #189.

Following is a list of information taken from this unit: Motor, 4 cyl., wet sleeve, 4?' bore. No. stamped on left side of block is WD 240118 GA, No. cast in block right side U 3018-31. Carb. Zenith. Magneto-Fairbanks Morse type FM X 4B3. S.N. 3927115. I further find that the magneto has been stamped U.P.R.R. so I assume the Union Pacific used to own it. This is further borne out by the fact that the former owner (deceased) was a retired U.P. railroad detective. Differential, front side markings, 0-5 Timken R 5200 B - 288 N, back side markings TRACTOR No. (I.D. plate missing). Transmission markings 201219 - H-k-18-PO (shift pattern)

1        3
       2        4     R

I would like to hear from anyone who has information on this machine.'

Waiting for some help on his engines, GARY R. HARWOOD, 103 Spit brook, Apt. D-16, Nashua, New Hampshire 03060 sends this: 'I'd like some information on the following four engines that I recently acquired. The first is a hopper-cooled 2 cylinder Leroi #43066 that is mounted on a gravel conveyor. The next two are both model M3 size 31/8' x 4?' Leroi engines that are both radiator-cooled, S.N. 1270 and S.N. 101915. The last one is a one cylinder upright TU 33/8' x 4' Novo hopper-cooled #27406. Thank you.'

A photo and letter comes from ROBERT D. SEELEY, R.R. 3, Box 176, Warrensburg, Missouri 64093: 'I have recently acquired a small engine of about 1? HP, name tag is missing, but I think it is a Sandwich. It was equipped with a Wico mag and the flywheel part no. is AB101. I need information on the date, make and color of this engine.

I also have recently acquired an 8 HP Worthington kerosene engine, serial #25205. I also have a 2? HP United. I would like the color of this engine. I want to thank all the many responses that I received on the Grey and Taylor engine.'

CAREY K. ATTKISSON, Route 1, Box 242, Rockville, Virginia 23146 phone 804-749-3595 is hoping someone can tell him the age of an IHC Mogul tractor, 12 HP. (You'll get a call or a note, Carey, I'll betcha.)

Needing some data to help him with his hobby, ALLAN LEUKUMA, 381 East Highland, Camarillo, California 93010 sends this: 'I recently purchased a 1? E Economy gas engine. Someone, years ago, converted this engine to an air compressor by modifying the igniter and removing the cam gear and rocker arm. See ad under Wanted section. I understand that there are two styles of Economys. The old style which was made by Economy in Sparta, Michigan and the newer style which was made for Sears by Hercules Engine Works.

My question is-which style do I have and how can you tell the difference? Serial #109547. Any data on the age, style and history of engine will be greatly appreciated.

I have always found the articles published in the GEM to be most informative especially the 'how to do it' type. I really liked the recent articles on how to pour bearings.

Thank you very much and keep up the good work on a great magazine.'

Congratulations on the formation of a new club the John Deere Two-Cylinder Tractor Club, Box 3164, Minot, North Dakota 58701. It was formed in January 1981 and at the present time they have 105 members from 17 different states. If interested, please write above address. I am sure you can tell by the name, it is a club precisely for John Deere two cylinder hobbyists. Fee is $5.00. I am sure if you write they will send you more information. And we wish you all a growing Club-let us hear from you as time goes on.

DARVIN E. JAHNKE, Box 21, Rochert, Minnesota 56578 is hoping for information from the readers in regard to his Sheldon engine. It appears similar to a Waterloo Boy. Engine tag reads Sheldon Engine No. 130744, 2 HP, Sheldon Engine and Sales Company, Waterloo, Iowa. I would like to correspond with another Sheldon engine owner.'

Fellas-we get so many, many requests for the proper color of engines, and therefore, we need to in some way have an accessible record whereby I could send some of these men the answer right away or print it in the column immediately. To do this, you know of course, I am going to have to call on my buddies in Engine Land to help in this service. Your suggestions will be appreciated, and who knows- perhaps in the future we may even be able to get a book together on this subject.

And that dear friends brings this lengthy column to a close. I had to withhold a few letters, but look for them in next issue-Love you all! God bless each and every one of you-and may 1982 be good to you.