BRRRRR! It's getting pretty cold right now and lots of snow flurries - hope the storms hold off till we get the preparations for Christmas finished - which makes me realize that when you get hold of this issue- it will be 1978 - hope it's GREAT- for each of you. And onto the letters - we have so many - so glad you folks enjoy this medium of communicating to all the readers:
H. L. RITTER, Route 5, Box 127 relates: 'Smoke Ringers and Greasy Hands - I think I have answered all your fine letters to date. If this has not been done, sorry I missed you. But here and now I thank all you nice people.
I am enclosing some items I had put in The Bugle (a paper which is put out by Pioneer Gas Engine Association, Inc. - a local club).
To Mr. Harry L. Ritter: (About the Maytag Engines)
The side shaft Maytags were made to operate the large industrial and institutional size washing machines. They were made in 40 and 80 HP. Originally they were tried in a 2 cycle version, but the smoke and noise were 80 times worse than the standard Maytag. If you've been to a show with just one Maytag, you know what they could be like. The addition of the side shaft and valves was the only change from the standard Maytag design. In order to save design costs, every part was scaled up rather than redesigned.
You would have to see the 10 foot diameter pot metal flywheel to really appreciate it. 80 M.P.H. winds were generated by the cooling fan and were a real hazard to anyone trying to stand within 60' of the suction side.
The 12' diameter spark plug used is now a real collector's item.
A sight from my youth I'll never forget was the starting procedure. Teams of 6 men each would jump together from a 16' platform on to the kick starter pedal. I don't have to tell you the results of a 'kick back.' Please let me know if you find one of these engines.John Toom
From Our Members:
How I Got Started in Engines
A couple of years ago, I dug out of the rubble, a Maytag, and a Briggs & Stratton washing machine engine, that had been kicking around for at least 18 years. (We still have the washing machine for the Maytag). I got them both so they would start and run fairly good. My grandson (age 6 at the time) was interested. He got so he could start and stop them, too. So, to keep his interest up, I got a couple more small engines. He operated them too. So I kept on buying. He has not lost interest, and neither have I. The only thing I lack at the moment is room to store and show. The older we both get, the deeper our interest grows. I hope I can see the time he does his own work on them. HEY! You members, how did you get started? HARRY L. RITTER, Rt. 5, Box 127, Fulton, New York 13069.
P.S. Did you know Smith Motor Wheel turned into Briggs & Stratton Engine Company - some information on the Smith Motor Wheel can be had from: S. K. Rudorf, 5276 Boettcher Drive, West Bend, Wisconsin 53095.
TOM McCUTCHEN, Superintendent Milan Field Station, The University of Tennessee, Route 2, Box 133, Milan, Tennessee 38358 would like to know if some of you readers could help him with information on steam whistles. In July 1976 he ran an ad and sold a brass Powell Chime whistle to a lady in California. Before running the ad he showed the whistle to a collector friend and asked his opinion. He stated that it was 'all there' and in good condition and gave him an idea of how much to ask for it. When the lady in California received the whistle she reported that it arrived in good condition but a portion of the bottom section was missing and it would not blow without it. A small disc that fits down inside the bottom section, air travels up from the bottom out and around the disc to create the whistle. Tom has asked everywhere about the disc and gotten no information. (Could anyone help him with information?)
From ROD VAN PELT, Box 38A Nor. Rt., Kimball, Nebraska 69145: 'Dear Anna Mae & Smoke Rings, just a few lines to let you know that I think your magazine is the 'greatest.' Although I'm a youngster in the GEM family, I have been interested in old rusty tractors for quite a few years. I want to also thank Dale Church, Wellington, Kansas who introduced me to GEM about a year ago, and for his help in my restoring of an L Cast SN #313921. Besides that L Case, I have an 18-36 Hart Parr SN #30690 which I'm restoring along with a Farmall F-30 SN #16932. The F-30 and L Case were the first two tractors I farmed with so they carry quite a bit of sentimental value. Although they were old then, I still enjoyed farming with them and was especially proud of the L Case which was given to me by my uncle. The Hart Parr needs lots of work and few parts (see want ad). As for gas engines, I only have a Model 8 Maytag SN #461519 (stamped on flywheel). I know very little about the Maytag other than it is a 1 cylinder air-cooled.
I also have a Fairbanks Morse water cooled 1? HP Z-D. It appears to be all there. The SN is very rusty, but I believe it is #756349. The first number, which I know is very important, is especially hard to read. If it is a 7, could someone tell me the age of the engine - also the Maytag? I also have a stuck valve on the F.M. It is all the way in and I can't tap on it or get a hold of it. HELP! I also need a crank (see ad). The engine has only 1 flywheel. I believe the crank is to be on the other side of the engine, but I don't know if there should be 2 flywheels or not. I would like to hear from your readers about these two engines and would like to hear from anyone who is restoring an L Case, F-30 or 18-36 Hart Parr. Maybe we could help each other with some problems which lie ahead of us. I want to thank all of the readers who answered my ad in September-October issue. GEM readers are the nicest people I know.'
RICHARD WOLFF, Main St., Woodbury, Connecticut 06798 wants to know if anyone can give him information on an Avery four cylinder opposed engine with 6?' bore. The only information he has is patent #1113204.
GEORGE BOYER, General Delivery, Crescent City, California 95531 says, 'I NEED SOME HELP! A while back, I wrote Mathen Hardware & Supply Company in Louisville, Kentucky and got my letter back with 'out of business, return to sender' on it. I would like to hear from anyone who has information on the Mercury-Disston chain saws they used to sell. Also, I would like to thank everyone who wrote to me with information on the Aermotor gasoline engines. I did not get a chance to write everyone and thank them.'
From 'The Ace,' 33 Power Square, Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301. 'To Anna Mae and the Smoke Ring Readers: Thanks to a fine senior citizen and his son, I've become acquainted with this fine magazine (GEM), excellent hobby, and met quite a few interesting folks in the last five years. As with most readers, I go from front to back numerous times, reading all articles -whether they pertain to my problem or not. My winter project now is such that I have to ask for help or any information at all, so that my deadline can be met (5-27-78). The engine is an 'Avery' of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 4 cylinder, opposed, 2 carburetors, 5?' bore, 6' stroke, water-cooled, K-W ignition magneto, and was mounted on 18' skids to run a sawmill. Thank you all who read this and hope to hear from someone soon. Write or call collect 9-10 P.M. E.S.T. 413-773-5574.
From STANTON S. HOWE, 4433 Red Fox Drive, Helena, Montana 59601: 'I'm looking for some information on this engine. I believe it is a Fairview, probably about 1? horse. It is a two cycle, tank cooled, upright, with a hit and miss governor, I would appreciate anything anybody can tell me about this little engine. I have it about ready to go back together and should have it running before too long.'
DAVID CESAN, 240 Chapin Road, Hampden, Massachusetts 01036 writes, 'Thank you so much for printing my article on the 'Mystery Engine' in the November-December issue of GEM. I've received several very helpful and informative letters from all over the country. All letters identified my engine as a 'Challenge' made by the Challenge Windmill Co. of Batavia, Illinois. The company was in business from 1867-1945 and guesses have it that my engine was built shortly after the turn of the century. Even though I answered each letter personally, I again thank everyone who was kind enough to write me. Some of the finest people I've ever met belong to the gas engine society.
Now, I'd like to do a good turn for fellow engine enthusiasts. In the restoration of an engine, the owner likes to get as close to the original color as possible. It's nice to have the engine just the way it left the factory, so many years ago. If other collectors would be interested in writing to me giving what code number of paint they used on what engine, I'd like to try to comprise a list of various engines and their matching proper paint. This list, I would send back to GEM for publication for the benefit of all. For instance, a friend of mine, Al Olsen of Coventry, Connecticut had a paint chip from a 'Domestic' gas engine professionally analyzed and the correct paint for an authentic restoration is Dupont Dulux Enamel #81372M. I have painted my Domestic this color and it is very attractive. I think this list could be a great help to everyone, so please write and tell me what you used for this engine.
From H. L. RITTER, Route 5, Box 127, Fulton, New York 13069. 'Hi, Smoke Ringers! It is me again. I have received many nice letters from many of you who have taken the time to get rust and grease off your hands and write. I think I have answered all of them, if not I am sorry. If it was not for engines, I believe I would be nuttier than I am, as I am retired. I also tinker with some modern ones too.
Speaking of being retired, I have tired all my life and now I'm starting all over again. Anyone wanting information on International, IHC or McCormack Dee ring, write to International Harvester Company, 401 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Illinois 60611. For Wisconsin, Teledyne Wisconsin Motors, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53246. I am trying to get information on a Parker Marine engine. I have most of one. They were made in Fulton, New York about 1900. I spoke to a man (by phone) whose uncle had one. End of information so far. Would appreciate any you might have. Also information on 'Hopper Cooled' gray about 2 HP.
In answer to Alva McCoy, November-December 1977 GEM: If your 'gas' engine was run on a 'natural gas' you are now using 'propane.' You might have to put on a volume tank or mixer. Perhaps the propane tank does not give volume enough for full charge. Mr. H. G. Thurston, Old Engine Nursing Home, Baldwin Road, Cayuga, New York 13034 had similar trouble with a gas engine. He might be able to give answers.'
FRED DODD, 24819 N.E. 8th Street, Redmond, Washington 98052 has a Cletrac Crawler Tractor that he has restored but the radiator is missing. He is looking for a picture of one so he can build one. There is a casting number on the block No. 1-12-22 and the serial number is 539-36.
C. H. OEHMICH, R.R. 2, Box 103A, Chesterton, Indiana 46304 sends us the following letter: 'I was re-reading the March-April 1977 issue when I came across the comments of Gisli L. Bjornson, page 20. He was wondering about the Electric Wheel Co. of Quincy, Illinois and the Crawler tractor which they made. I do not know what happened to the company, but the last time I saw one of their Crawlers was at the National Road Builders Show and Convention at St. Louis, Missouri. I think the year was about 1930. These tractors were painted a medium shade of grey and, if I remember right, they were trimmed in bright red. The four cylinder engine had individually cast cylinders and the entire machine seemed to be well engineered. Electric Wheel Company made steel wheel farm wagons before they started making tractors. They then made a 14-28 HP wheel tractor, which they called the 'All-Work.' It had a four cylinder (individually cast) engine with 5' bore and 6' stroke, mounted crosswise on the frame. It had 2 speeds, 1.75 and 2.5 MPR. Belt pulley was on the left side. My father bought one of these second hand in about 1923. We used it to pull 3 plows (it would pull four 14' plows in loose soil). Also ground feed for the neighborhood in the winter months. Also pulled a small husker-shredder. Electric Wheel, a little later, added a third speed and increased the speed of the motor from 800 to 900 RPM on their newer models. My father died in 1951. The old 'All Work' was still on the farm, which was then under the care of my sister and her husband. I was quite disturbed when I drove over to the farm one day and found that they had a scrap dealer come over and burn in into usable scrap. I did, however, salvage the original Kingston carburator. If that tractor would have survived until now, it would have been quite valuable.'
JOHN HAMMEL, Route 1, Box 148, Dover, Ohio 44622 sends us this picture of a reel type lawn mower that he has and would like to know more about. Maybe some fellow readers might be able to help him with it. It is called a Coldwell Cub, manufactured by Coldwell Lawnmower Company of New-burgh, New York. He would like to know what kind of engine, approximate year built and does anyone have any literature for this particular machine.
GEORGE H. MILLS, Route 19, Box 69-1, Iona, Ft. Myers, Florida 33901 wants the Smoke Rings readers to know that he has recently acquired a lawn roller the exact same chasis as pictured on the GEM, page 21, of the July-August 1977 issue. 'There is no name or plate on the chassis. There are no holes in front of the frame for bolting a lawn mower. Therefore, I presume, it was used strictly for a home lawn, golf course, or tennis court roller, etc. So be it.
Now for some help from some of the 'one bangers.' The engine number is 11521, model R, bore 4', stroke 4', hit and miss air cooled, 50.265 cubic inches, 823.853 cubic centimeters or .824 liters. I would like to know the HP and RPM rating of this engine. This engine was made by Ideal Power Lawn Mower Company, Lansing, Michigan. Does anyone know if this company is still in business, and their address. Also, if I could get a catalogue and price of engine new. I am now overhauling and painting it. Hoping to hear some news soon, as I have a bad case of engine fever.'
TOM SHARPSTEEN of Route 1, Box 207, Orland, California 95963 is attempting to reassemble an Aermotor windmill and tower and a few of the parts are missing. He could make them if he knew their exact measurements. Missing are the twelve wheel arms and arm crosses and the tension spring for a ten foot wheel, model B702. He would appreciate any help you can give him,
JOHN BECK, Star Route 2, Bismarck, North Dakota 58501 is looking for someone who is familiar with a 3-wheeled railroad 'speeder' or inspection car. This rail vehicle has a skeletal wood frame and a 'Adams, Chicago' 2 cycle gas engine. Any retired railroad men remember these?
FRED C. BOWER, 12227 Southeast 208th St., Kent, Washington 98031 recently bought a small 1? - 2 HP, 775 RPM, gas engine. There is no name on this engine. However, all the parts are identified with part numbers starting with the prefix GE. The casting date on the water hopper is 10/13/33. Does anyone have any idea as to the manufacturer of this engine?
From LAWRENCE G. HANNAH, 903 14th Street, New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada V3M 4P8: 'I would just like to say thanks to those who wrote with information on my 6-7 HP F-C engine. I was recently lucky enough to have acquired a 2 HP IHC Famous vertical from Mr. Merl Barns who was nice enough to deliver it from Idaho for me. The engine is complete except, according to pictures Merl supplied, these engines were fitted with a piston type water pump driven from an eccentric on the cam shaft. My engine shows no sign of an eccentric or any place where a water pump or bracket could be mounted. I wonder if anyone could help me with these details, or were some of these engines used with a kind of thermosyphon tank cooling arrangement, rather than screen coolers.?'
DENNY ROBERTS, Route 2, Box 216A, Mt. Airy, Maryland 21771 is interested in collecting and restoring old Witte engines. If anyone has any information concerning them, please contact him.
FRANKLIN EGGERS, Nezperce, Idaho 83543 writes that he has just acquired a Monitor buzz saw made in Evansville, Wisconsin. The frame is made of 6 in. channel iron. It is 9 ft. 7 in. long and 12? in. wide. It is on 4 steel wheels, has a 30 in. saw and a 21 in. flywheel. As a whole, it is in very good shape. He would like to hear from someone who knows what color it was painted and what make engine was used and what HP it was. He has several engines that would work, but would like to get it original, if possible. Franklin would also like to know if anyone knows of a book that could help identify the old engines and the color they were painted.
KENNETH LARSON, Canton, Minnesota 55922 writes, 'I recently acquired a 17-30 'The Minneapolis' tractor - so far the only other identification I can find is a cast plate below the shift lever which reads 17-30 type A 8555. I would appreciate any information such as correct paint, RPM and any other thing you can help me with on this tractor. This tractor has not run for about 10 years and has been in storage. The 4 (four) cylinder crossmount engine is not stuck and the tractor is complete and in very good visible condition.'
From W. R. SCHMIDT, R.R. 2, Upper Sandusky, Ohio 43351. 'I am wondering if anyone knows of a Whitney tractor made in Upper Sandusky, Ohio about 1915-18. This tractor is a two cylinder opposed, pulled two plows. I worked at this factory in the 1920's and am really interested in knowing if there are anymore around.'
KENNETH PLETAN, Wendell. Minnesota 56590 would like information on Mar-Tan gas engine. It has twin flywheels, air-cooled, upright, l or 1? HP, no governor and manufactured in Wisconsin. What were they used for? Also would like information on hydraulic rams used for elevating spring water. How do they work, how high they pump etc.
RON SPROWLS, R.D. 2, Box 93, Claysville, Pennsylvania 15323 says: 'I have in my possession two Standard garden tractors. One is very old with battery and Model T coil, wooden handles and single cylinder. The other is a twin cylinder, steel handles with steering brakes for each wheel. Is there anyone that can tell me any history on this company?'
JOHN LEVORA, Route 2, Box 240, Bangor, Michigan 49013 recently purchased an Invincible 1? HP pump engine, serial #1646 and would like to hear from anyone who has pictures or related items. He would also like to know where and when were these engines manufactured.
Some information for 'Smoke Rings' readers from WALTER A. TAUBENECK, 4213 80th St., N.E., Marysville, Washington 98270. 'In the May-June 77 Smoke Rings, Mr. David Herbst of Esparto, California gave Mr. Clessie L. Cummins, Sr. book the title 'My Life With the Diesel.' It should be 'My Days With the Diesel.' This correction comes from C. Lyle Cummins, Jr. who has a fine engine history book on the market, 'Internal Fire.'
WILLIAM H. WHITE, Box 365, Pitman-Jefferson Road, Sewell, New Jersey 08080 says, 'Recently, I hauled home a gas engine to add to our collection that I am looking for information on. This engine is hopper-cooled, has horizontal cylinder, twin flywheels, ignitor-coil-battery ignition. A small brass plate on the side tells us that it is a MAJESTIC GAS ENGINE, 2 horsepower, number 131, 341. The plate also states that the engine has a five year guarantee. We would like to know where it was made and when. The plate does not tell us that.'
Some information comes from MILTON W. FOX, R.R. #1, Bicknell, Indiana 47512: Here is a listing of the first 3 Crawlers manufactured by IHC. I may be wrong on this and if so, can be corrected. Here goes:
1. McCormick-Deering 10-20 TracTracTor; 1929 14 were manufactured. This is only year that these were produced. It looks a lot like the 10-20 McCormick-Deering farm tractor Parts Catalog - TC-2 McCormick-Deering 10-20 TracTracTor.
2. McCormick-Deering Model '20' TracTracTor; 1930 and 1931 -956 were produced in these 2 years. This looks like the next model - but they have different serial number prefix letters. There is no parts catalog for this Crawler, only an instruction book which has a complete parts listing in it.
3. McCormick-Deering T-20 Trac TracTor; 1931 thru 1939 - 15,200 were produced in these 9 years. Parts Catalog - TC.10A McCormick-Deering T-20 TracTracTor.
On any type Crawler it is very important to read the prefix letters on the serial numbers and always give letters and numbers of the serial number when seeking information on any Crawler - when this is done, it saves a lot of time for everyone.
Three points to ponder from one of our enthusiasts:
'I have several points to cover; First - my subscription to G.E.M. is in the mail under separate cover. I have read, and thoroughly enjoyed, your fine publication for several years -but, I've become too anxious to wait for hand-me-downs any longer!
Second, I would appreciate any information your readers can supply on 'Gibson' and 'Bolen's' garden tractors. I would also like to hear from any fellow garden tractor collectors.
Third, and most important, I am trying to organize a steam and gas engine club for the Louisville area. There are several outstanding shows in our region, but the closest is 80 miles from Louisville. I have acquired a great deal of respect for the technology and ingenuity of the 'pioneer power' days and hope, through a club, to help preserve this fascinating mechanical heritage for other young people. Any of your readers interested in forming an organization can write or call me any time. My address is: LLOYD WHEELER, 916 Fountain Avenue, Louisville, Kentucky 40222. Phone 502-426-8684. Thank you so much for your help and your fine publications.'
GERALD A. JACK, 22234 Lassen Street, Chatsworrh,California91311 has a Fairbanks upright, make and break engine in very good condition and would like to set it up as original. He would appreciate any information you might have. He thinks the engine dates around 1900.
MORRIS BLOMGREN, Route 1, Siren, (Falun), Wisconsin 54872 wants me to tell you folks that he surely enjoyed hearing from all 21 people who wrote him and sent pictures and information on the Ford pull drives (G.E.M. Sept.-Oct. 76).
CLIFFORD WOLF, 1031 Grandview, Owatonna, Minnesota 55060 says he is a long time reader of GEM and tells us: 'In regard to the request of Lawrence Friestad (Nov.-Dec. 77 G.E.M.) for color of the IHC 'M' engines, this was recommended to me by our local paint dealer - Rust-Oleum New Color Horizons H-15 International Green. They are not apt to have it on hand but should be able to order it for you. Available in gallon cans only, so maybe they could share a can with a fellow buff.'
ED HUFNAL, 208 Penn Road, Troy, Ohio 45373 needs help: 'Last Christmas I gave my wife an engine - it is an Ideal Model V, vertical, air-cooled from a lawn mower. We sort of enjoyed having it in the living room over Christmas time. This year we expect to restore it and wonder if anyone out there can tell us the original paint color or something about this engine?' (Any help out there, let them know - there's a couple that are interested which makes it nice if hubby and wife can share a hobby.)
EDWARD H. BERGQUIST, 78 Shelter Street, Orange, Massachusetts 01364 sends us the following: I have been actively involved with old engines for about a year and a half and find your magazine most helpful. I am in the process of restoring these engines and wonder if anyone can help me. Number 1 is a two cycle, tank cooled, upright called 'The Bessemer' made in Grove City, Pa., serial #A243 stamped on flywheel, bore is 3? ', stroke is 3?', flywheel diameter is 16'. Any ideas on year, HP, fuel system or original color? Number 2 is a Delco light plant 600 watt, 32 volt, serial #226414. I need wiring diagrams and specs on valve adjustment, cam timing, etc. What does the missing shroud around the cylinder look like? Finally, number 3 is an 'Airline' battery charger sold by Montgomery Ward. Model 62-6619, serial #M4223, volts 6-8, amps 30. Wiring diagram, year of manufacture, and operator's manual would be helpful. Any information on these three units would be fully appreciated. Thank you.
WALDREN CORCELIUS, Box 478, RD 1, Kingsville, Ohio 44048 is looking for information and also how old are the following engines: a 3 HP McCormick Deering No. BW10396, an Ottawa log saw, and a 1? HP Fairbanks Morse Model Z, No. 560765. He is new at this hobby and a new member in the Gas Engine Magazine family. He says he and his wife recently joined the Pioneer Steam and Gas Engine Society of Northwestern Pennsylvania. So, he'll be happy to hear from you.
BETH GONET, 103 Norman Street, New Hyde Park, New York 11040 writes: 'My husband has become an addict, hooked on One Lungers! It started this year when my son, who lives in Vermont brought down a rusty, dirty, awful looking hunk of iron! It was a Fairbanks Morse, horizontal engine #828798. He has taken it completely apart and lovingly cleaned, polished and painted it. He had a problem with a broken oil ring for a 35/8 piston, but managed and it sounds, looks and runs beautifully.
This summer at a garage sale, I was able to buy him, as a surprise (think I'm hooked too) an upright Fuller & Johnson #22845 in perfect condition
His newest is an unknown as it hasn't any name on it. When we get a good picture, we'll send it and see if someone can identify it.
I think I'll make a sign for our house reading (Warning! One Lunger Pox! Very contagious to adults!) Does he have a good start? Sincerely, an understanding wife.' (I'm sure a lot of readers with the same disease will enjoy this letter, Beth. May you both have many happy days in your new venture.)
The following information comes from GEORGE F. KEMPHER, 110 7th Street, Emporium, Pennsylvania 15834: 'In the Sept.-Oct. issue of GEM, Mr. H. L. Ritter of Fulton, New York asks how one can tell if an igniter is working without taking it out of the engine. The following methods can be used: When the points are closed no voltage will be across the terminals of the igniter and can be checked with a volt meter or a suitable light bulb. If a small piece of steel or iron be held near the end of the coil, it will be attracted when the points are closed, this will only work with coils that are not encased in metal cans.
I am showing the proper method of wiring up a make and break spark coil. It is important to include a switch in the circuit not only to stop the engine but to prevent a run down battery or a burned out coil in case the igniter points stay closed for any reason when the engine is not running.'
George often has an ad for spark coils in the magazine and he adds: 'It sure pays to advertise these coils in GEM. I have sold hundreds of them over the years from those ads; most of them mention that they had seen the ad in GEM.' (Thanks, we're glad to know that.)
DANA DAVIS, Route 3, Unionville, Missouri 63565 asks; 'Can anyone give me any information on this engine as to color, when made and etc. It is headless and the valves and carb are on the other side. It is a sideshaft. On the front is a heavy brass plate with No. 6327A manufactured by Southern Engine and Boiler Works, speed 430, HP 3, Jackson, Tennessee
W. C. HICKLIN, 3630 Castlebury Drive, Chester, Virginia 23831 needs help: 'I have recently obtained an old single cylinder gasoline engine and need help in obtaining information about it. The nameplate is missing and the only mark is NOVO cast into the access cover to the crankcase. The genera! design could be ten years either side of 1915; it has a single upright cylinder, single flywheel, breaker point ignition, automatic intake valve and is governed by flyweights and linkage holding the exhaust valve open.
I would be very grateful for any information you may be able to provide.' (Send him letters.)
RONALD O. PAYNE, Route 2, Canton, Illinois 61520 speaks to all: 'I would like to compliment you for the fine magazine you put out. I have about 13 engines in my collection. I have two engines that I need some information on - the first engine is a Monmouth Model N, 1? HP made for Monmouth Plow Factory, serial #7088. I would like to know when this engine was built and by whom? I have seen several different engines that look identical, with other names on them.
The other engine I have in question is the Leader 2? HP, serial number 7571 made by Field Force Pump Company. I would like to know when this engine was built.
I would also like to take this time to report on the Labor Day Show held by the Argyle Antique Gas Engine Club. For our first show, we had 99 exhibitors of engines, tractors, cars and crafts. There was a free fish fry for about 200 people that were exhibitors and families, held on Sunday evening. There was approximately 10,000 to 12,000 people that came to view the items. This was a three day show that was held in Argyle State Park just north of Colchester, Illinois.'
A letter from GERALD SUNDBERG, 597 Lauren Road, Duluth, Minnesota 55804 tells us: 'Since I wrote last, I have doubled my number of engines to 16. I've had a good year going to a lot of shows, some as far away as 350 miles. I hauled two engines to that show, plus the family, as they enjoy it too.
I like your Christian thoughts injected into the magazine as there is always a place for them and we need more of it in our lives.
Now, I need some help from the readers again. I would like some history and information on the Stover Engine Company. I'd like to know when they started making engines and when they ceased. Also, what models did they make and the range of horsepower for each model, and the color of paint used??
A letter from ASHER D. CHAMBERS, 21 York Street, Caribou, Maine 04736 brings us some information on an engine that I've never heard of the name -perhaps you gas buffs have, but I'm sure it's new to me -
'I am a relatively newcomer to the fascinating hobby of collecting old engines, having started about a year ago. I am a subscriber to the Gas Engine Magazine long enough to receive two copies which I have read and re-read several times. Congratulations on a great publication.
I am wondering if you would include an inquiry in your column 'Smoke Rings' relative to an engine that I recently acquired.
The name of the engine is THE OLD WARHORSE 1? HP which is cast in the side of the water jacket. On the other side is also cast the name of the manufacturer which is THE MANSON CAMPBELL COMPANY, Detroit, Michigan. There are no numbers. The flywheel felloes are round and are not machined or balanced. The head is dry with spark plug. It was apparently ignited with a 'Buzz' coil as there is a set of points, consisting of an insulated lug made on the head and a grounding point attached to the exhaust rod. The governor is on the flywheel which is a half moon affair that flew out and caused a dog to engage the exhaust rod and hold the valve open (elementary). The engine had always been housed and has more than 95% of its original green paint while the cylinder head and connecting rod are painted aluminum. It only needed to be washed to look as good as it does in the pictures. The 'Buzz' coil shown in the picture did not come with the engine. There is a folding crank on the flywheel which is not recessed. (OSHA would love that.) The gas tank is under the engine with the vonventional check valve and spray nozzle. I would appreciate any information on this engine that might be available, such as year of manufacture and how long they were built.
W. L. CUNNINGHAM, 4335 Barker Street, S.E., Washington, D.C. 20019 writes: 'Thanks to all of the people that answered by ad in the July-August issue of GEM. I have not had the time to answer the many inquiries, as we are getting ready to move to Florida after living in one place for 27 years. As soon as I can, after the first of January, 1978,! will answer every one. Our Florida address is 4225 78th Way North Street, Petersburg, Florida 33709. Telephone 813-546-2707.
I have a friend that just bought an 8 HP Geiser Gasoline engine serial #2660. We would like to hear from any Geiser owners as to the age of this engine. We have the original parts book for the 2 HP up to the 20 HP for these engines.'
R. H. HINES, 7666 N. Orange Avenue, Cape Canaveral, Florida 32920 shares with us: 'I recently retired from the Space Coast project here where I worked for many years (since 1957) in film-making and writing.
My first project in retirement was the research and excavation of Indian artifacts in this area. I now have a garage full. However, I had always been interested in old stationary engines. I am originally from Slippery Rock, Pennsylvania and my foster dad worked at the oil fields in that area using stationary engines to pump wells set up in a push-pull system of rods radiating from the engines across the fields to each pump. The Bessemer plant was at nearby Grove City.
Now I have acquired an old Taylor vacuum engine, serial #9308. Piston 'frozen solid' and in bad shape. After two weeks work, a blow torch and sledge hammer 'she' is now clean; being sand-blasted for painting, and ready to run. I have written Mr. Dawson, mentioned in your May-June issue, and would like to hear from others who have such engines. (See Want Ad.)
This letter comes from ROBERT KUBISCH, 2111 Gilbride Road, Martinsville, New Jersey 08836: 'I am a new subscriber to your GEM, but I have been interested in old engines for quite some time now. I got your address out of the Spectator, which is put out by Chrysler-Plymouth. If I didn't receive this magazine, I probably wouldn't have known about GEM. Your magazine is very informative and helpful to its subscribers who have questions concerning their engines.
I own several Maytags - two, one cylinder, a 1927 and 1934 and one twin cylinder of 1947 vintage. I also have a 2 HP Witte, serial #B932 which I have several questions about. My father and grandfather used it to cut wood from what I can remember. I was about 10 at the time and I'm 23 now. It hasn't run since then. On the tag besides HP and name, it was made in Kansas City, Missouri. Is this company still around? The engine spark was produced by coil boxes and a hot shot battery and there is a set of points under the cam gear. Does anyone know how to hook up the wires? Can anyone tell me the year it was made, rpm, and its original color? The flywheels are 16' in diameter and are keyed on to the crankshaft. Also can anyone tell me the plug and point gaps? Any information will be helpful. I will answer any letters which I receive.' (You'll probably be getting some letters, Bob.)
Next writing is from CLIFFORD R. HESS, R.R. 1W, Box 145, Anthon, Iowa 51004, phone 712-876-2622 and he says: 'Just two years ago I wrote you, YELLING HELP on 'Smoke rings' and got such a wonderful response. Several good readers wrote me some information and one even gave me a rather expensive long distance phone call. They sure are a good bunch of people.
Now I am yelling help again. First, I will try to explain what I have and what I would like to find out.
Last winter I acquired a 6 HP Associated engine, serial #600586. A brass plate just ahead of the igniter reads: Everything the farmer needs at less than catalogue house prices, and you can buy from your dealer. Ask him. Associated Mfg. Company, Waterloo, Iowa. The plate is 3? x 5?'.
On the side of the water hopper above the igniter is the faint remains of a decal 3' x 5'. I would like very much to find out what that decal originally looked like.
This engine does not have a pedestal under the cylinder. The flywheels are 42', painted red with a gold pin stripe. Water hopper red, cylinder silver and the base black.
I would also like to find about when the engine was made. I just know that someone out there in engine land has the answers.'
GARY TUNKIEICZ, 7514-60th Street, Kenosha, Wisconsin 53142 writes: 'First, thanks to all who helped me in my search for the horsepower rating of my John Deere 'B'. Your help is greatly appreciated. I just bought a Farmall F-12, a 1936 model which has serial #FS79031 and was wondering what color it should be painted. I know Harvester switched from grey to red on November 1, 1936. I wrote to Harvester, but they weren't certain as to what serial number the F-12s started to be painted red. A friend of mine suggested I scrape around on the tractor to find some of the original paint, but I can't find any numbers. The tractor has set outside for many years and is completely rusted. So, could someone tell me what color my F-12 should be painted?
W. H. DITTEMORE, 604 N. Lincoln, Fredericksburg, Texas 78624 relates: 'I want to tell you how much I enjoy the Gas Engine Magazine. Recently my 5 HP Fuller and Johnson engine went on the fritz-a shorted igniter. I ordered new mica washers from N. H. Kruse, Park Heights, Illinois. These washers made the difference between 1100 pounds of junk and a working engine. I also enjoy reading the stories and looking at the pictures.'
From GERALD HAIGH, 5390 Las Llajas Canyon Road, Simi Valley, California 93063 comes some information: 'I read the article by George F. Kemper on the use of the Model A Ford vibrating coil. He is right and these coils are available in many stores. I bought some from Montgomery Ward. I will let you in on another secret. If anyone has an old engine and the magneto long out of print and wants to use the Model T coil, the old mag can be used for the timer. The points can be set to contact instead of make and break; also they won't have to improvise an insulator as it's built into the magneto. Another thing to keep in mind, especially if the engine is a hit and miss type, or one where the governor train holds the exhaust valve for long coasting; I put a breaker on the rocker arm that breaks the circuit. This can be a piece of flat copper bent into a U shape and bolted to the cylinder head The contact will close when the Valve closes. Otherwise, there will be preigniting and this can be very annoying. This will be noticed mostly where natural gas or butane is used for fuel. In case the engine has the old make and break points, any blacksmith shop can bore out the hole where the insulators are and tap the hole in the flange for one half inch standard pipe thread, then buy the spark plug with the same thread, which is available. The remaining hole can be plugged with any standard bolt sawing it flush with the flange.'
FRANCIS W. FRABA, 38277 Lulay Road, Scio, Oregon 97374 says: 'I need information on my Witte engine carburetor. It is about 1? HP, serial #83852. I would appreciate a diagram of how the inside parts are assembled. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Engine is manufactured by Witte Engine Works, Kansas City, Missouri.'
Another limerick from WALT NIELAND, Route 2, Carroll, Iowa 51401: 'In cranking the little L.A. - My knee just got in the way - I got kicked in the arm - The decals lost their charm - and I'm at a loss what to say!
ED DEIS, 14354 N. State Avenue, Middlefield, Ohio 44062 brings up a situation he would like to relate to you readers: 'I am a collector and dealer in single cylinder gas engines and parts and related items. I am thinking of going into the mail order business offering original parts, castings and a general line of collectable items pertaining to steam and gas engines. Heretofore, I have offered my old iron and parts at about six shows in the Ohio area. I plan to keep on selling at the shows, but would like to expand and would appreciate comments from the readers on what they would like to see in this type of service.
I would like to make a comment to Directors of engine shows at this point. Directors - Please remember that most dealers in gas and steam items were probably collectors and exhibitors long before they were dealers and I know I speak for most of them, when I say, we resent being treated as a flea market exhibit, or a second-rate exhibitor. I feel I have a pretty fair exhibit with a lot of interesting and different items (all pertaining to engines) and shouldn't be treated any differently from the other exhibitors because my iron is for sale.
Many times I have kept other exhibits in operation by having the right part on hand, Yes, I realize I'm conducting business and making a profit on the grounds which the club involved has put money and effort into and for this privilege, I always buy a membership and pay a reasonable fee, but nevertheless, I'm a collector and one of the gang first, and a dealer, second. Sorry, if this sounds like sour grapes, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone.
Ohio and her neighboring states really have some great shows and I know the directors face an almost impossible task of pleasing everybody all the time, but several have already come up with a fair solution by giving the engine and parts dealers a section in or adjacent to the exhibitor's area. Here's hoping to hear from some of you.' (Ed has ads under Sale and Wanted in back of the magazine.)
PAUL HARTER, 2837 East 12th Street, Joplin, Missouri 64801 remarks: 'Thank you for printing my letter and picture of my Sandwich 2 HP engine. Also want to thank each one who wrote giving me the information i needed. I hope I did not fail to answer anyone.'
From DUANE KINPORT, 1834 E. 1st, Fremont, Nebraska 68025: 'Hi fellow gas engine lovers - I am an engine nut out here in Nebraska. I need help on a 2 HP Witte, serial #44240 which I am rebuilding. I have gone to a lot of shows here in the Midwest but have not seen one like it. The mag is mounted in front of flywheels and the trip runs forward to trip the mag. The problem is it has a hi-tension Webster oscillating mag and I need repairs for same. Could someone tell me how to rebuild it? Please write me if you fellows know about it. Help!'
CHARLES GARRETT, Jr., 2660 Delaware Drive, Florissant, Missouri 63033, writes that he is trying to round up the owners of a Maytag 2 cylinder powered rotary lawn mower known as the Monitor, model PL-1. For those responding he would like to know the following: 1. Engine serial number (on edge of flywheel); 2. Is there an aluminum plate covering the engine data? 3. Is there an emblem (Monitor) running man on the housing or is there a brass plate? 4. If there is a brass plate (Milton Hartman Corp.), is it stamped model PL-1 and what is the serial number on that plate? I have been in contact with the manufacturer and have obtained the original service manual that covers both engine and mower. If sufficient interest exists, I can have it copied. There seems to be two distinct varieties. They are painted dark green over a red undercoat. It has 3 fixed wheels. The two rear ones are 10 x 1.75 rubber tired, while the single front one is aluminum and smaller in diameter. There were approximately 2,000 made right after World War II. The factory was in Kirkwood, Missouri. It had originally been an indoor skating rink. The mower was designed to get into corners and trim close to things. It was one of the earliest power rotary mowers.'
The following from RICHARD BEAVER, 212 Ford Road, Pearce, Arizona 85625: 'In the three years that I have been a subscriber to GEM, I have answered several requests for information on various engines. I now find that I, in turn, need some assistance. I have just obtained an engine that has a brass plate on the side of the water hopper that reads 'Carpenter Mining, Milling & Power Machinery HP 4 #23438', this plate is round. The engine has 27' diameter flywheels, a 5? bore x 7' stroke, is blind bored like a headless, but has a water cooled head on the side. The mixing valve and intake valve are in a casting bolted to the top of this head. The exhaust valve is in bottom of head and is operated by a 24' long rocker arm. There are no push rods. Engine is battery operated, spark plug fired, hit and miss, and is free and complete except fuel tank. I have not been able to find any mention of this engine anywhere. I would like to hear from anyone anywhere who owns one or has any information on this engine. I will promptly answer all replies. Having just moved out here from Ohio, it will be interesting to exchange correspondence with other collectors in Arizona and southern California.'
In closing may I wish you an interesting and rewarding New Year - God bless each one of you!