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Greetings! Well - this is it - Engine Time - Wonderful trips to the reunions. Most of you know what to expect and yet I have a feeling it is with new expectation and excitement in your spirit as you make your way to the next reunion. From your letters, I can tell it gets in your blood - so on to a lot of happy putt-putts and glorious smoke rings.

First letter is one of inquiry as JACK THOMPSON, 102 Britannia Street, Straford, Ontario, Canada N5A 5Z2 asks: 'I understand hydrogen gas can be used as fuel for gasoline engines. I do not know the details as to how it is produced, but I understand it involves passing an electric current through water. I noticed on a television program they have a lightning monitoring station set up in the Rocky Mountains. Why not use lightning as a source of electric current to produce hydrogen gas??' (Answers, anyone?)

You may be interested in SCOTT THOMPSON'S letter: 'I hope I can get some help from a lot of GEM readers here in Illinois. I am in the process of compiling a collection of photographs of older and antique farm equipment which I hope to put into book form soon. The concept is that these will be pictures of the old machinery as it is today, possibly still in use, or at least shown in a farm-style setting. Photos will be in color, something one doesn't see too often.

So if you would like to have your machinery included in this collection, please contact me as soon as possible. I'd like to hear from owners of tractors, steam engines, horse drawn implements, etc. etc. Preferably in the Illinois or eastern Iowa area. That's Scott Thompson, 1227 Royal Avenue, Pekin, Illinois 61554. (309) 347-2742.

From FRANCIS T. MALECHA, RR 3, Northfield, Minnesota 55057, this letter: 'I would appreciate any information your GEM readers could give me about my Ziegler Schryer engine. The engine has two name tags on it. One reads 'manufactured by Ziegler Schryer Mfg. Co., Freeport, Illinois U.S.A. HP 6, Speed 300, Lot A, No. F5215.'

The other tag reads 'Duplex Manf. Co., Gasoline Engine Dept. Makers of portable stationary and marine gasoline engines, Superior, Wisconsin.' The Duplex tag does not give any information about horsepower, speed or serial number.

I would also like to know what year it was built, what the original color is and I would like to know how the carb gets hooked to the gas tank because the lines have been removed. Also are there a lot of these engines around?

The engine is ignitor fired and battery ignition. It is a hopper cooled engine. Any help would be greatly appreciated.'

Take notice of VERNE KINDSCHI's letter - it may be just what you're looking for as a program for your organization: 'Here's an idea for engine clubs that are looking for entertainment at their meetings. My good friend, David Edgington of England, has sent to me a very interesting 33 slide presentation along with a 30 minute cassette sound track explaining the slides.

David is probably the foremost authority on old gas engines in England, and shares his information of English engines in this slide show.

Any club or organization who has a 35mm slide projector, and a cassette tape player would enjoy seeing them.

David has given me permission to share these. I only ask that you send me $1.00 to cover the postage, and to return them promptly when you are done with them, so as many organizations as possible can be scheduled to use these.

Thanks in advance for using this information-I feel this is a service to other organizations, and is not a profit making thing for me-I'm only trying to cover costs.'

Verne's address is Verne W. Kindschi, Route 1, Box 66, Prairie du Sac, Wisconsin 53578.

CLARENCE L. CRISWELL, John Deere Tractor Museum, P.O. Box 709, Lamar, South Carolina 29069 needs help!! 'I am trying to locate a Mr. Dudley Duboll. He is a reader of Gas Engine Magazine and has a tractor to list in our serial number search and I need to contact him. His address is lost but he is in the Northeastern part of the United States. I would appreciate it very much if you would furnish his address to us.'

(We do not have Mr. Duboll as a subscriber, but he must be reading one of our subscriber's magazines, so please fellas, if you know Dudley, please have him get in touch with Clarence.)

This letter comes from ROBERT L. WILLIS, 117 Jacksonville Circle, Pearlington, Mississippi 39572: 'I would like to correspond with owners of 6-8 HP Waterloo Boy gas engines. The one I have I bought from Robert Mayeux of Sulpher, Louisiana. For years it was used to operate a hay press. The nameplate is unusual in that it reads-Waterloo Boy Gasoline Engine, No. 73415, HP - (no markings), Waterloo Gasoline Co., Waterloo, Iowa patented August 7, 1900; Dec. 3, 1901; October 7, 1902, August 6, 1907. Other patents pending, sold by Parlin and Orendorft Plow Co., General Agents, Kansas City, Denver, Oklahoma City.

I need to know the correct color, where and what size was the gas tank, and more. All help appreciated!

It is good to be a member of the Bayou Old Time Engine and Power Assn. For a time after we left Michigan, I was afraid we had left the finer things in life behind-gas engines.'

Some helpful data comes from LEONARD SPOELMAN, 3221 Brookshire SE, Grand Rapids, Michigan 49508. 'First, some information on common manufacturers. It is my understanding that the early Economy engines sold by Sears were made at Sparta, Michigan. Then later, Economy engines were made by Hercules at Evansville, Indiana. Distinctive differences in the castings were given in GEM (Sept.-Oct. 1974, page 11). Basic ones to spot easily are 1. water hopper opening is square on Economy and oval on Hercules. 2. Corners on water hopper are quite sharp on Economy and more rounded on Hercules. Arco spray rigs used Hercules built engines as did Jaegers cement mixers. Later Jaeger engines were Stovers.

Alamo engines of Hillsdale, Michigan were sold under quite a few other names. Some of the ones I know of are-Empire Cream Separator, Bloomfield, N.J., Rock Island, Moody, Moline Plow Co. and Flying Dutchman Plow Co. Other manufacturers selling under different names are Nelson Brothers, Saginaw, Michigan as Jumbo etc. and Associated Manufacturers, Waterloo, Iowa - Associated, United etc.

Now, a plea to be careful when trying to turn an engine over, especially one belonging to someone else. I have energetic young boys and know how hard it is to resist the temptation to turn the flywheels. If all parts of the engine are not free, damage can result very quickly. I'm right now trying to undo the damage inflicted by some strong arm helper.

This particular problem relates to John Deere gas engine magnetos. The armature clearance is very small and the possibility of rust tightening up the armature is great. The armature itself is an assembly consisting of shafts bolted to either end of the rotor through a pot metal flange. One healthy pull on the flywheels with the rotor stuck fast and the flange is broken. Engine will now turn over nicely, but upon examination, one will see that the magneto shaft is not turning. Now don't despair and throw it all away. Solution is to repair the armature by making a new flange, a good lathe project for someone. I know someone will benefit from this as it is the third time I have run into the problem.'

Chatting about some of his engines, we received this letter from SYDNEY NORTHRUP, RFD 1, Prescott Road, Brentwood, Exeter, New Hampshire 03833: 'I read your column so much it seems as though I should know you. (I know what you mean as so many names become very familiar to me through the years.)

I have just given an engine to each of my grandsons, ages 13 and 16 years. One engine has a faded decal which looks like Empire. The flywheels are the same as 1? HP Stovers, except no Stover name on them. 6 - 3?' holes in flywheels. Instead of Wico mag they have Webster mag, 2 HP, 550 speed on the brass slats No. KA 151335, original color??

Have a Bosch wagon, a Fairbanks Z. It has a trip arm activated by a roll on the timing gear. Also two short centering springs like a Webster mag. I cleaned it inside and everything seems to be O.K. but can hardly feel the spark. It only jumps about 3?' or less. Any information on pepping it up would be appreciated.

Next, I have a 2 cylinder opposed, 2 cycle Pormo (Trademark) air-cooled, made by Areothrust Engine Co., La Porte, Indiana. It was made for the Navy in WW I to run an electric generator which is not with it. I have been told they were also used on airboats.

It has a 14' flywheel with cast blades in side for a fan. The generator was run direct from the end of the shaft but there is also a 3?' pulley about 4' wide. Bearings are oiled from above. Oil tank is section of gas tank. Any help on this engine would be appreciated.'

TOM FORSTROM, 2315 Avenue E., Kearney, Nebraska 68847 sends this: 'After several years of reading and enjoying this great magazine, I'm seeking help from other loyal readers. I am restoring an Emerson-Brantingham type N, 800 RPM. Any and all information will be greatly appreciated, but especially need help with the wiring and cooling system, and year of manufacture.'

DOUG STICKNEY, 1265 Cortez, Dubuque, Iowa 52001 is waiting to hear from anyone that can help him: 'A colleague of mine who happens to subscribe to The Gas Engine Magazine called my attention to references therein concerning a Stickney Engine Company. I am trying to collect geneologic data on the progress of the Stickney family in this country. Any information which you could provide on the Stickney Engine Company and its origin would be appreciated.

Is the company now defunct? Who originated the company and where was it located? Can parts, catalogs, owner's manuals or other corporate publications still be obtained? (Doug, you might want to run an ad in our classified Want Ad section for all these items-you may be surprised and get quite a few answers.)

If any of this information is available, I would greatly appreciate hearing from the readers. My phone number is 319-583-3808.'

Here comes a letter from a fellow enthusiast as H. L. RITTER, Route 5, Box 127, Fulton, New York 13069 writes: 'Hi Engin-ears! Well it is getting closer to spring. I haven't done much this past winter except try to keep warm. Have had these 5 Briggs Stratton engines a number of years and finally got around to starting them after doing some work on them. They are Models A, AP, PB and 2 Bs. Below are instructions for testing coil and condenser on small engines using flywheel type magneto.'

Magneto - Repair as follows:

(a)  Points: If points are worn or pitted, new ones should be installed. When replacing them, make certain the fiber insulating plates and washers are placed in exactly the same position to insulate the points from the armature plate. Wipe each part to remove all dirt and grease.

(b)  Coil, condenser and magnet: A weak coil and magnet is not common. The condenser is either good or bad-it is never weak. A coil might, in a few cases, be weak, but not completely dead. The possibility of a weak or dead magnet is very remote.

(c)  Test coil and condenser by means of a Hot-Shot battery. Place a piece of paper or insulating material between points. Connect wire from positive terminal of Hot-Shot battery to stationary breaker arm. Hold the high tension cable ?' from edge of armature plate and rub the wire from the other terminal of battery lightly across the rocker arm. If no spark results after testing as outlined, disconnect the condenser wire from breaker and repeat procedure. If no spark results with the condenser disconnected and the cable is making good connection with the coil, it is evident that the coil is bad. If, however, a good spark now shows, it proves that the condenser is bad and the coil is O.K.

(d)  Unscrew the high tension wire from the armature plate and examine the bakelite plug No. 12751. If it is cracked, the spark will short through to the armature plate. Also check the cable. If it is worn or broken, a new No. 12112 should be installed.

A letter of appreciation and thanks comes from NORMAN OSNES, Valentine, Nebraska 69201: 'Dear Anna Mae and Engine Friends - Since I wrote last Jan.-Feb. '79,1 can say the Lord has truly been good to me in my collecting. And I received many letters from the GEM readers. I want to say thanks again to all of them. And thanks to many of them, I have now gotten over half of my Bicentennial license plates. I have even started collecting Nebraska County plates. The GEM is truly a gem-keep up the good work!

In case anyone is wondering, thanks to Mr. Norman Hockemeier who tells me my engine is a Neward about a 2? HP. It was sold by Montgomery Ward, so I am told, and the main casting may have been made by Waterloo. Maybe someone out there can tell me more about this and how many were made. I still would like to hear from you all and how many are still around etc. Please write!

I also got hold of several engines, plus a JD standard tread GP tractor plus a pair of steel rears. I'm hoping to have my tractor going by the time the fall shows start.

One of the engines I need help on is a Woolery, model A, #1766,5 HP, 2 cycle engine. I have it cleaned up, but cannot seem to get it to fire more than a pop or two. I think it is in the carburetor adjustment etc. and then that cylinder shaped valve or whatever it is on top just behind the water hopper. I'm sure someone out in Engine Land can help and I sure will appreciate it.

I also would like to know if there is supposed to be a shield over the open crank of a Lawson Frost King Jr. engine. There are a couple cap screws down below the two main bearings that I am wondering what is the purpose of them.

One last question and that is to you Anna Mae-I am sure you welcome pictures and stories, but I was wondering if the pictures should be black and white or can they be in color? This maybe of help to others, too. (The pictures come out much better when they are black and white, but we do also accept color pictures.)

I do like the color covers and keep up the good work on the magazine. It sure is helpful to the engine lovers.'

LOWELL F. WOOD, 101 West 106th Street, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55437 has a very good New Way air-cooled, upright, 5 HP single flywheel, harvester type engine fully restored but no information on color, trim and lettering. He has been at several shows, but no one agrees on the painting. If you have any information, Lowell will be glad to hear from you.

Seeking information is RAYMOND SLEISTER, Box 391, Manilla, Iowa 51454 as he says: 'I would like to know if you can tell me of a model manufacturer that makes Fordson tractors of the late teens or early 20s. Also 1948-C Allis Chalmers and also Red River Special threshers.'

FLOYD MATHES, 4238 East Avenue, Livermore, California 94550 wants a question answered: 'I have a Peerless, vertical gasoline engine marketed by Baker Hamilton and I am desperately trying to find out when it was made but no success. Can you help me? I understand that there is an organization called the 'Peerless Club' and if that is true I don't know their address. I am a member of the Early Day Gasoline and Tractor Assn. Branch 13, Inc. and am presently serving as vice president of the organization.

Thank you so much for any help you may give me.'

Next communication comes from CRAIG SOLOMONSON, Route 3, Box 601, Cambridge, Minnesota 55008: 'After 15 years of enjoying antique cars and occasionally admiring gas engines, I caught the gas engine fever. A friend told me the whereabouts of some gas engines on Christmas Eve and on New Year's Day I hauled them home.

Since that time I have sent for all the books I could find dealing with the engines I have. So now, I have many questions answered except for the same ones I always see others asking in your magazine-date of manufacture and proper colors. Perhaps some readers could help me out. The engines I have are: Associated 3/4 HP, SN #1884; Associated Chore Boy 1-3/4 HP, SN #315400; Associated Hired Man 2-1/4 HP, SN #123194; Cushman (Model C) Upright 4 HP, SN #27130; Jumbo (Model P) 1-1/2 HP, SN #8009.

I certainly enjoy your magazine and especially the Smoke Rings column which I am sure gives all restorers the much needed source of information to aid in their projects.'

D. G. BAGNELL, 8 Butler Street, Gympie 4570 Queensland, Australia writes: 'A gentleman in Iowa has suggested I contact you in my search for information on my Anderson engine. I have enclosed a photo of the engine and details are: Anderson Engine Company, Chicago, U.S.A. No. 1721, HP 4, thought to be a 1919 model, marine. WANTED: some history of this firm and details of type of magneto used.

JIM McCRAKEN, Box 35, Craw-fordsville, Oregon 97336 is restoring a 6 HP Ellis 2 cycle engine and he needs to know the colors; presently the flywheels appear dark red and the rest a dark green. Also need some information on how exhaust system looks. Some pictures from the front show exhaust end of muffler sticking up? Did the exhaust enter the bottom of the muffler?

Many thanks for your help and keep up the terrific magazine, I enjoy it very much.' (Thanks Jim.)

A letter comes from W. C. HICKLIN, 3630 Castlebury Drive, Chester, Virginia 23821: 'I would like to say thank you to all the readers who answered my last call for advice and information. Once again I need information on another engine I have. I need parts list, and colors for a single cylinder LeRoi that is marked Model FHPP3, size 3? x 4?, serial number 109923. What was the date of manufacture?

Here is an interesting letter and I'm sure many of you folks will be interested in it. It comes from CLYDE BERKSHIRE, Berkshire Emplement Co., Inc., US 35 N. Box 237, Royal Center, Indiana 46978: 'I enjoy Smoke Rings and would like to say I have worked in the parts department and ownership of an I.H. dealership and have parts books and owner's manuals for all tractors and gas engines back to and including Titan and Moguls, with listings of years by serial numbers as built by year.

If anyone in Gas Engine Land wants years of when I.H. tractors were built, I will gladly pass the information along.

Also my family has the cast iron bug. We have some 20 odd tractors and 15 some odd old I.N. trucks from 1910 I.H. auto buggy up to 1952.

Anyone that wants I.H. information and owner's manuals may contact us. We would be glad to exchange information. We belong to the Northern Indiana Power of the Past Inc. - Hope to see some of you bugs there at the show.' (This is not an ad-the way Clyde writes, I am assuming he would lend you the manuals, etc.)

From another member of the Gas Engine Family comes this letter from ED F. EDWARDS, P.O. Box 197, Big Bend, California 96011: 'I just wanted to thank all the collectors for all the help that they gave me on my Tuthill Water Motor, which was pictured in Smoke Rings in March-April 1980 issue. I have received several letters of help on how to figure the (head) necessary to keep the water motor as well as approximately amount of wattage that could be delivered. Also, I received info on the construction of various dams to store water for use with the water motor, etc.

You have a great magazine and it is obvious that other fellow collectors try to help each other whenever they can. It seems that the number of collectors keeps growing and growing, and with this more good ideas on various techniques of restoring the old gas engines.

One very helpful idea that was given to me by Clyde Sherman of Washington is on the removal of the stubborn crankshaft-flywheel keys. His suggestion was a very logical one and which works very well. You take about a 2? foot length of steel rod ?' to 5/8' diameter and thread one end about 1?'. Then you take a piece of (round stock) steel about 3' to 4' diameter by 6' long and drill a hole completely through the center of it about 1/8' larger in diameter than the length of ?' or 5/8' steel rod (whichever you use). Then you lay the NOW threaded end of the steel rod parallel to, and on top of the crankshaft directly next to the flywheel key to be removed and weld the steel rod to the flywheel key, being careful not to weld to either the flywheel or the crankshaft and make sure it is a good solid weld. Then you simply slide the 3' or 4' diameter by 6' long solid (round stock) onto the ?' or 5/8' rod and screw two nuts on the end that you threaded and you have a simple slide hammer.

Then, of course, you slide the 3' x 6' hammer down the rod against the two nuts on the outer end several times and the key slides right out, because you are pulling it out directly, the way it was meant to come out-straight. This works a lot better than trying to punch it out by sticking a bar or large screw driver, etc. through the spokes of the flywheel at an angle and trying to pound on it from inside (between) the flywheels, or any other method. Other collectors have probably tried this or something similar to it, but I thought it was worth describing to save a lot of time.

The only disadvantage of this method is that if you are welding to hot, the flywheel key might get partially melted and you might have to use a new key for the best appearance, whereas if you turn the heat down a little on your arc welder, you won't melt the key, just build up a portion of weld which, if carefully ground off, your original key will be just about as good as new to use again. Try it, it WORKS!!'

Some of you out there in Gas Engine Land are probably anxiously waiting to help your fellow gas buffs-so maybe you will want to write to FLOYD MATHES 4238 East Avenue, Livermore, California 94550 with an answer: 'I subscribe to the Gas Engine Magazine and I am very pleased with it. You are all to be commended.

I have a request to make and don't know who else to turn to-I am trying to locate information as to the date of manufacture of my Peerless gasoline engine. Can you help me, in any way? I understand that somewhere there is an organization called 'The Peerless Club.' That is all I have. Can you help me?

'Peerless' A vertical engine marketed by Baker Hamilton Hardware, San Francisco, Sacramento, Etc.'

A fairly new member writes: 'This is only the third issue I've received, being very new to chuggers and I find your magazine to be the Bible.

Can anyone help me? I've got a 1? HP 500 RPM, SN #410288 Fairbanks Morse Z missing a mag. The base is 2?' x 1?' center to center. Can anyone tell me what kind of mag (make) I should get-is it gear driven or what? Any help will be appreciated.' (If you can help, write BOB STEGMAN, Box 423, Angels Camp, California 95222.)

PHILIP A. VAZZANA, 242 S. Poplar Street, Greenville, Mississippi 38701, phone 601-332-0788 needs some information about the Fairmont Railroad engines starting: 'I don't believe I have ever seen any information in the magazine on them,' states Philip. (They aren't quite what our hobby magazine is about Phil, but sometimes we do put something in about railroad engines, so maybe someone could answer you.)

From one of the G.E.M. Family, this: 'I was looking through some of my old book collection and came across an ad about a bean and pea thresher. This little thresher was manufactured by the American Bean & Pea Thresher American Grain Separator Co., Minneapolis, Minnesota U.S.A.

Can you run an inquiry in Smoke Rings to see if any of these machines are still in existence? A little machine of this type would be nice to take to the shows as they are small.' (Any answers fellows?) No. 1 picture is the boiler from No. 1118, 12 HP Huber, in bad condition. No. 2 picture is how it looked after I rebuilt it. It is under 100 lbs. of steam at this time.'

This letter came from A. L. HEILAND, 15323C.R.25A, Anna, Ohio 45302.

Two questions to be answered from KEITH COATES, 8448 Chase Drive, Arvada, Colorado 80003: 'The first problem is with an air-cooled Sattley engine that was a basket case when I located it. The only identification I can come up with is the serial number which is C-85096. I would appreciate hearing from collectors that have one of these engines or some history on one of this type. So far Montgomery Ward have not been able to help me.

The second request is for the original paint color on a McCormick-Deering (International) Model LA 1?-2? HP made in 1935. It appears to be a grey-green with a red flywheel and oil bath air cleaner.

Thank you very much and I really enjoy the Gas Engine Magazine.'

JOHN C. GRAHAM, 67145 Graham Road, St. Clairsville, Ohio 43950 writes: 'My son received his first GEM in November 79. We both enjoy it very much.

We came across an odd ball engine in January of this year. It is a 2 cycle upright with about 20 gallon galvanized cooling tank. Flywheels are 20' x 2' spoked. The name Arthur Colton Co. - Detroit, Michigan is cast into both side rails of base. Serial #145 stamped in the crankcase cover.

Can anyone out there give us any information at all? Year manufactured, kind of coil, original color? Any information would really be appreciated. Thank you.'

A good-sized letter comes from EDWARD LOWELL, Box 501, Americus, Georgia 31709: 'Well, I guess this is the first writing I've done and after 20 years of fooling with these old engines, I'd like to see if I can spark a little interest for our area of the country. I'm also very pleased to see that there is some real backing behind our magazine as it seems to have some religious background- without God's help, would any of us have anything? Of course not, not even life itself. God bless you all.

I would like the letter to read as follows: Greetings from Plains, Georgia. Even a small place like this has a big interest in old engines and other related items. We here, are interested in getting others to take an interest in engines and would like to think that sometime in the not too distant future, we may be able to have a show in this area. It has been said several times that the Southeast is weak in shows. Seeing as how we are only 5 miles from President Carter's home town and that an awful lot of people visit Plains, it makes sense that it may be a convenient location. How about some comments from the readers?

We love engine collecting and we rebuild and restore engines. Lately we have been concentrating mainly on engines made by International and we have twenty or so fine ones- Moguls, Titans, Famous, etc., but we collect all types.

One of the most exciting phases of the hobby to me is buying, selling and trading. In the last several shows we've attended, we have always brought back some new iron to play with. Sometimes it proves to be good and sometimes bad, but nevertheless, we learn something at the shows and always come home happy.

For some unknown reason the bigger shows frown on us folks buying and selling. Why is this? A lot of folks go to these shows hoping to find an old engine to project with and to keep themselves from burning up all that $1.25 gas hunting engines out in the sticks that are most likely not even there.

If we are able to hold a show here some day, it will be for everyone, especially for those newcomers wanting to buy or trade engines. We will not charge someone to come here and enjoy his hobby. By the same token due to somewhat limited space, we will not be able to have any unrelated to engines types of items.

We really look forward to G.E.M. and only wish it were a monthly magazine. There is no limit to the good service it provides. I only hope that we may all be able to get together and enjoy our hobby. It occupies all of our free time here and with our 75 or 80 engines, it is a fulltime job keeping them all going. We are currently restoring two Tom Thumbs, the air-cooled and water-cooled - next will be the 6 HP IHC tray-cooled portable. Please send comments, good or bad to above address. Phone number is 912-924-1744. Thank you!'

Keep your pencils sharpened, fellas, as here comes another letter with questions: From RICHARD D. CURTIS, 302 N. Ridge Street, Cambridge, Illinois 61238: 'I received many helpful letters on dating my Case tractors and preserving old tires. After I have tried the suggestions, I will let you know what is the most satisfactory method.

Now I would like information on my Novo 4 cylinder engine, Model AF 3? x 5, serial number L9029. It has a casting date of 1927 on the head. It has heavy flywheels on both ends and a drive pinion on the rear which drove bull gears for the two winches of the Novo outfit it was mounted on. It is overhead valve with exposed push rods and rocker arms. Is there any connection between Novo Engine Co. and United Air Cleaner Division, Novo Industrial Corp., Chicago, Illinois? Also is there any connection with United Engines? Also, is this part of the company known as Allis Chalmers today?

My outfit was used to pull slip forms for paving. Tom Hobbie at New Westminster, British Columbia wrote and said he has one that lifted fishnets from boats on the Fraser River. What other uses were these engines put to?

I'm looking forward to some answers from some of the old pros.'

W. E. NEAL, 613 8th Avenue, Charles City, Iowa 50616 writes: 'I enjoy your magazine a lot. The article by D. McVittie about cockshutt tractors was very interesting to me. The reason the independent P.T.O. was similar to Oliver was Oliver built tractors for Cockshutt. The only difference was they were painted red and carried the Cockshutt name. My serial number book shows the serial number for Oliver & Cockshutt-thought they might be interesting to some people. Oliver also built tractor for Massey Harris at one time. Massey Harris big tractor that had the G.M.C. diesel engine was a real Oliver.

Every so often you have someone wanting parts for a Madison-Kipp lubricator. They are still building them and you can get parts or a complete lubricator. Their address is Madison-Kipp Corp., 201 Waubesa Street, Madison, Wisconsin 53704. This could be of a lot of help to your readers, if you would mention this.' (There maybe some of you folks who were waiting to know about this item.)

In closing I'd like to wish you all a happy summer of many continuing shows and reunions. And remember Footprints in the sands of time were not made by sitting down. The really happy man is the one who can enjoy the scenery when he has to take a detour. Death is not extinguishing the light; it is putting out the lamp because dawn has come.