Route 4, Morrison, Illinois 61270
I've been quite interested in the discussion on the different makes of engines in the last few issues of GEM and would like to offer some information I have on the subject that may help.
I have a 1952 Buyer's Guide and Implement Repair Directory and while it does not seem to be 100% reliable in all respects, I will pass on what information it contains.
The Rock Island and Empire engines are marked (Alamo) and also the Royal, Hoosier, Lansing and Victor. Most Rock Island and Alamo engines in this locality used the wizard magneto. Nelson Bros, carried repairs for the Jumbo, Little Jumbo, Trojan Dazzle Patch, Dan Patch, Minnesota Monarch, National and the Nelson Royal.
One place this directory does not ring true is that it states repairs are available (1952) for the Iowa and Associated engines but are not for the Busy Boy, Chore Boy, Hired Man, Hired Hand, 4 Mule Team, 7-8-12 and 18 Mule Team engines. These were also Associated Manufacturers Engines. The last of these engines were called the Iowa Oversize and had heavier crankshafts and full length cooling hoppers. At one time, they were the worlds largest builders of farm power engines. They did a huge export business under the name of Amanco.
Now, I would like to introduce another family of engines for discussion if I may. These are the Weil Bros. Banner, United, Faultless, Majestic, Sheldon and Sandow. Let me add, that United and Sandow at times handled other makes. United sold at least four different makes under their name. One was the Arcadia, still made in Nova Scotia, Canada. Another was the 1? Hp. Busy Boy and another small engine with the push rod and governor on the left hand side. Sandow sold many 2 cycle upright engines, some say built by Detroit.
I believe the first mentioned makes were built by Waterloo Boy. If you take your issue of GEM for Mar.-Apr. 1966 - on the back page you will find a picture of a 2 Hp. Majestic. In the July-Aug. issue, page 21 there is a picture of Melvin Oilers Weil Bros. Then, in the Nov-Dec. issue, page 16, there is a picture of John Miller's 2 Hp. Waterloo. This engine is an old style job and seems to be original. A dead ringer for my Faultless even to the gas tank support brackets, except for the governor, the Waterloo is basically the same as the others and I feel sure that this can be taken from a Waterloo and will fit on the others. The Waterloo governor is gear driven while the others have the weights on the flywheel, similar to Galloway and Associated.
The waterhopper varies in shape between some, even some of the same name. I have a picture of a 1918 Majestic (adv) which has a tapered hopper, while Ray Geisinger's job has the straight sides like my Faultless and Oilers Weil Bros. Some of the Sandow engines had a tapered hopper, but a different top very much like an Associated. One thing I noticed on Geisinger's Majestic is a better designed rocker arm bracket. On all others of this type, I have noticed this bracket also serves as a nut for a head bolt and if it does not tighten just right, it must be shimmed so the rocker arm and valve line up right.
Here again is where I feel at odds with the Repair Directory. It states that repairs for Sandow, Sheldon and Old Majestic are available from John Deere, which points to Waterloo Boy which J. D. bought out. If J. D. sold repairs for these three, they also had repairs for the others.
Here is my International Famous Vertical Engine. It is a 3 H.P. Hit and Miss engine running at 360 R.P.M. The engine is in excellent orginal condition, including red cylinder and crank case with black flywheels. The finely painted design on the cyinder is still clear and colorful. The engine was bought new in 1913 and used by the owner in his barn on a line shaft. From the shaft he operated a water pump, corn cropper and beet pulper.
I also found an engine which was purchased new by the owner and he stated it was built by Waterloo and sold by a carriage and wagon works. This was the same type as the other names I have mentioned, but the day was cloudy and I couldn't see to read the tag as the engine was back in a shed with no windows.
The Directory also states that J. D. handled repairs for the Caldwell, Hollowell, Ever Ready, Gault, Jacob-sen, Oray and the Hustler. I have heard of one Ever Ready, but never knew of the other names.
These engines mentioned of the Waterloo type used the Lunkenheimer carburetor and it was on the left side of the head while the exhaust was on the bottom.
There is a similarity between these and the engines spoken of as being of Nelson manufacture as to the governor and flywheels, but the most noticeable thing about the Waterloo type is the long connecting rod and engine base which is in one piece with the cylinder, not bolted as the Nelson type.
I have noticed at times in the Iron-Men and E. & E. that some ask for help in finding repairs for their English Fordson tractors. Central Tractor Parts Company, 1515 E. Euclid, Area Code 515, Des Moines, Iowa have the best supply of repairs I know of and they carry new parts in manifold and carburetors, valves, valve guides, valve springs, coils and points (genuine K. W.) rings, drain plugs for air washer and crankcase, fan belts, radiator cores, connecting rods, steering shaft with gear and also the sector gear. All wheel and transmission bearings and gaskets for engine. They have used parts for all Fordsons.
In case of a pinch, write to the Ford Motor Co., Dagenham, England and I think they will see that you get what you want, as they ship their cars to the U. S. A. right along and they could most likely send tractor repairs along with the repairs for their cars.
I once owned an Irish Fordson and at that time the repairs came in duty free, but not so with tractors and the dealer and I once figured up that a tractor could be bought as repairs and assembled here far cheaper than to buy the entire machine.
I just looked up my 1938 price list on repairs. New engine, crankcase and front axle bracket and head, $215.00 less magnet and fan. Manifold and carb. assembly, $18.75. New radiator, complete, $37.50. Transmission case, $35.00. So, if you would add that much more you would have your tractor. If repairs are duty free now, they would not be as high as for American makes even after transport charges are paid.
I have a Field Type W. Engine which is the very same as the Type W. Sattley. Montgomery Ward also sold a side shaft job under the name Ward, that was built by Field-Brundage. It seems that M. W. bought out F-B about 1915.
Here is a picture of my Dad's McCormick Deering 10-20 which I recently finished restoring. It is in excellent condition and runs wonderful.
Socialogists are prone to speak of the 'ideal' family. Here is my 'IDEAL' Family - left to right, Type M 3? hp. S/N 20421 ,Type M 2 hp. S/N 13716, Type R 1 hp. S/N 11001, Type R ? hp. S/N 07118.
I have talked to two or three men who spoke of meeting a man at the E.D.G.E. show in Michigan who has the history of F-B gas engines down in good shape. He lives in Jackson, Michigan works in the building where these engines were formerly made, has talked to some who helped build them and I believe he owns at least one engine of that make now.
Some readers of GEM in that part of the country surely know of this man, so why doesn't somebody contact him and maybe he will be able to make us happy.
The Rawleigh-Schryer factory burned down in 1917 and most all the records with it. The Rawleigh Co. still have some of the advertising literature in their files.
Maybe some of the old Stover employees in Freeport might know someone who worked for Rawleigh and find out from them, as that seems to be the best way to learn the engine history.
Could someone tell me what type the old style Fairbanks-Morse were known by? I refer to the horizontal engine with the cross shaft through the base having the govenor, cam gear and push rod on the right side and the igniter and fuel pump on the left. I have a four Hp. on which the patent dates run up to 1908. It has a large brass name plate but the place for type has not been stamped in. Recently, I got a 2 hp. and it states, Fairbanks-Morse, 2 Hp., patented August 1899, but no type. I think they were known as type M, but some disagree on this and I would like to know for sure.