Troubleshooting With Gas Engine Parts

Stan Read talks about engine troubleshooting using a variety of gas engine parts.

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Photo courtesy of George F. Kempher, Emporium, PA.


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News on troubleshooting with gas engine parts. I wasn't studying my lessons closely enough, for I note that the publication deadline was November 10 and it is now December. This early deadline probably was for getting the magazine out in time to allow the staff to enjoy the holidays and I think they all certainly have earned a rest and relaxation. The first year of publication undoubtedly was a great effort but was a great joy to the old engine buffs.

Looking through the Fall and Winter Montgomery Ward & Co. Catalog for the year 1924-25 I found they were selling their "Sattley" line of engines in two models. The first was a "New Sattley 1 hp". It was advertised to develop two horsepower under load and to be "A Simple, Sturdy Engine With 40 Less Working Parts . . . Less Wear — Fewer Repairs . . . A General Purpose Engine". I found this specially interesting in regard to present day restoring: "Ten Working Parts Interchangeable With Standard Ford Parts . . . Pistons, Piston Rings, Piston Pins, Spark Plug, Piston Pin Bushings, Valve Spring Seat, Spring Seat Plug Pin, Valve — Exhaust and Intake, Connecting Rod Cap Bolt, Connecting Rod Clamp Screw. Regular Ford Pistons and Valves may be used with slight alterations . . . ". Slots probably had to be cut or filed in the piston to guide oil to the piston pin from the lubricator, but I don't know what changes in the valves are required.

Simplicity was emphasized: "All parts of the engine are quickly and easily accessible. For example: the side rod, cam, gear, governor parts and speed change parts can be removed by taking off two nuts". Actually, one nut holds all this stuff on and the second nut locks the first one. These nuts also adjust the governor spring tension. Anyway, be real sure the first nut is locked on by the second nut, or the whole business will run off and this usually spells disaster for the timing gear — a part not easily replaced. Specs.: 1 hp at normal speed of 550 RPM. Bore, 3 inches. Stroke, 4 inches. Wico Magneto. Pulley, 4 by 4 inches. Crankshaft diameter, 1 1/2 inches. Flywheels, diameter, 15 inches; weight, each, 45 pounds. Shipping weight 265 pounds. Price: $52.80.

Since Model T Ford parts are available many places, I thought this information might be of special help to those with limited tool facilities wishing to restore an engine. Also, Wico still sells points and condensers for their Model EK Magneto such as this engine and many others use. This is Wico part X6494 Condenser and 12X502D Breaker Set which consists of stationary point, washers and nuts, and movable point, screw, spring and felts.

Montgomery Ward also advertised Hit and Miss Sattley Engines in 3, 5, and 7 hp models. These weighed 470, 925, and 1300 pounds and cost $91.00, $125.75, and $145.00 respectively.

"The Right Size Engine". The 1 hp size will operate your pump jack, separator, churn, washer, or grindstone.

This small engine was made by the Elgin Wheel and Engine Works, Elgin, 111. They were advertized in the Popular Mechanics Magazine in 1911 so are at least that old. It stands 11 inches high from base to the top of the cylinder and is 2 cycle.

I think this is a nice winter scene with the first snow of the season showing my "girl", my wife, with our own snow capped mountain Goliath in the background. This mountain that we call Goliath happens to be a Case 40-72 tractor, safe from junk collectors in our own back yard.

"The 3 hp size is handy for the workshop, or it will run a 10 or 11 inch feed cutter, 4 to 6 inch feed grinder, 2-hole corn shelter, concrete mixer, cider mill, fanning mill, or 20-inch saw".

"The 5 H.P. size is most popular for general farm work, handling the tougher jobs, as it does, yet is economical of fuel on the lighter work. Power is ample to run a 26 inch saw, 250-watt dynamo, or a 6 or 8 inch grinder, a 12 inch cutter".

"The 7 H.P. we recommend for an 8-inch grinder, 12-inch burr mill, 12-inch ensilage cutter with table, 16-inch cutter with carrier, 2-roll corn husker, 4-hole sheller, or a 30 or 32 inch saw".

Also advertised were hand trucks and power saw rig outfits for these engines, priced up to $210.00 for the portable Saw Rig with 7 hp Gasoline Engine which weighed 1885 pounds.

Last summer I found nearly buried in an old mine dump the frame of an unknown something or other which had an outboard cylinder. I finally decided to bring it home for further inspection even though I had to roll, drag and heave it down a mountain side littered with rock, trees and rubble from a snowslide for about a quarter of a mile. Recently, after considerable scraping, cleaning and 'detective work' I discovered on the cylinder and main bearing caps, faintly cast the letters "Temple Gas Engine 4 in.". The bore measures 4 inches as the inscription indicates. Apparently it was hit and miss with hot tube ignition and had a water jacket. The valves are pipe-elbow-like affairs that screwed on and look to be interchangeable. I would like to build the crankshaft, flywheel and timing gears for this if anyone can supply any measurements, pictures or advertisements for this.

Ron Magnuson, Good Hope, Illinois, collects gas engines, old spark plugs, and snapshots of gas engines, gas tractors, and steam engines. He has discovered a 7 hp Alamo and a 7 H.P. Rock Island engine to be practically identical. I would guess The Alamo Co. of Hillsdale, Michigan, made both.

This is a picture of my 6 Maytag engines. Four of them are twin cylinders. The one on the left is brand new, never been run. I picked it up in a hardware store in Minnesota this summer on our vacation. One of them has the original Maytag plugs (Scrip) by Champion. The other two are single cylinder. One of these an old vertical.

Can anyone enlighten us on anything about Alamo or Rock Island Plow Co. Engines. Also, what type of Magnetos are used on these engines. I have a 1911 4 hp Alamo "Blue Line" Engine that uses the Webster Mag but I note a picture in September/October 66 GEM, page 20, Ralph Fullers 2 hp Rock Island has some other type of mag.