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Reunion Time! Party Time! Get your gear-and your engines and git-a-goin! The shows and meets are in full swing by this time of the year- and I know I didn't need to remind many of you-but then there are some folks that don't realize how many shows there are over the country, but each year brings many more newcomers to the hobby of gas engines-and usually they're hooked, once they get bit by the engine bug. From all letters we receive it does make a lot of folks happy and I think it's especially nice when the whole family gets the 'bug'. Onto our many communications:

We'll begin with a letter from DAVID W. WRIGHT, Box 71, Westminster, Vermont 05158: 'I have recently acquired a 'basket case' stationary farm engine, more specifically an Ottawa Drag Saw engine, minus the saw and associated pieces, serial #C20704. Its horsepower is rated as LS (light service?) and its speed as 600 RPM (presumably the point at which it develops LS!). When purchased, the engine was badly stuck, its crankshaft bent, the air-gasoline mixer in a sorry state, gas tank rusted through in several places and some parts missing. Can anyone out there tell me when this engine was built and what kind and model number igniter and magneto it was originally supplied with? All letters shall be thankfully received and conscientiously answered. Though relatively new to the world of gas engine restoration, I thoroughly enjoy your magazine.' (Thanks David, and welcome to the GEM family.)

Seeking an answer and also giving some good advice this message comes from JOHN J. LEVORA, Route 2, Box 240, Bangor, Michigan 49013. 616-427-8190: 'I am wondering if anyone can identify a 1? HP Emerson Brantingham engine with 'AY' casting numbers. The brass tag is gone, but the serial number is stamped into the ends of the crankshaft. I also would like to hear from anyone who has an 8 HP E-B Model 'U' engine.

I would like to caution fellow collectors on the use of battery chargers or transformers used to power ignition systems. Please ground your engine to a water pipe and make all connections before plugging in the power source; to avoid shocks or possible death. The engines were designed for battery ignition and it is the safest method of operation. Be safe and alive for the shows!' (Sounds like good advice; sometimes folks get so enthused with their hobbies, caution is thrown to the wind-don't let this happen to you. Let's keep this a happy hobby- and for many years.)

JESSE GILL, SR., R.R. 1, Shelbyville, Illinois 62565 recently purchased a StaRite gas engine manufactured in La Cross, Wisconsin. The brass tag has StaRite Model number is B-2 and serial #5158, 2? HP, 425 RPM with battery ignition. He would appreciate any information on the original color, and year of manufacture. He also claims the GEM is a tremendous help to all.' (That's good to hear.)

FRANK LOMASTRO, R.R. 4, Box 114, No. Scituate, Rhode Island 02857 tells us: 'I need some help from our fellow engine enthusiasts. I have just purchased a hopper cooled engine that came off a chain driven cement mixer. The brass nameplate reads Lansing Company, Lansing, Michigan #100160. Horsepower- this was left blank, 600 RPM. It is an igniter engine with a Webster Tri-Polar Oscillator #668471. Some other parts numbers are: hopper #9924, block #9927, dry head #9935, both flywheels have same numbers-9938. I would like to know more about the company. Also I would like the horsepower and color, design and placement of fuel tank, shape of skids and design and color of decals.' (Please help Frank, if possible.)

A short letter comes from BOB FLEMING, 30 School Street, Waland, Massachusetts 01778 and he tells us: 'Hi! My first note to your wonderful magazine. I look forward to it every issue. I have a 6 HP Rawleigh #E 4276 that I can't find any information about. I have not seen or heard of this name before even though I have read your books cover-to-cover over the past few years. I need some help in how to restore this baby as to colors, ignition and also year of manufacture. I would be pleased to hear from anyone familiar with this engine. (Help him if you can fellows-we have had very little on the Rawleigh engine.)

HARRY L. COOK, 504 Walton Street, Wilson, North Carolina 27893 sends this writing: 'I enjoy your magazine very much. It is the greatest! I bought a Majestic 5 HP gas engine the other day. I would like to know who made this engine and if any other engine parts would interchange. I'd like to find any information on this engine and the original color, pinstriping design, etc. I have had ads in for parts that I need. What type of magneto did this engine use? Also date of manufacture. The nameplate reads Majestic Gasoline Engine, S.N. 200280, 5 HP.

Also thanks to all the fine folks that responded to my call for help on my Fairbanks Morse 1? HP engine.'

We have a letter from someone who needs some answers as JERRY BRODERSEN, 10241-88 St., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T5H 1P4 writes: 'The first engine I got was a small 2 cyl, 2 cycle marine engine 35/8' bore, 4' stroke. It is very old. The engine has grease pots on the bearings, oilers on the cylinders and the brass nameplate reads: Cady of Canastoto-The Cady Company-Danastoto N.Y. USA. The engine runs in two coils. According to the people here, this engine was in a small boat on one of the lakes around this city about 1907. I have never seen one advertised in the GEM. I would like to know if one of the readers has an engine of this make and how old this engine really is.

My second question is about the engine my friend gave me. The nameplate reads: The Manitoba Mfg. by the Manitoba Engine LTD Brandon (Man) HP 1?, Speed 500, No. 382. Again I would like to know how old this engine would be and what color these were painted.'

BOB STANBERG, Fort Dodge, Iowa 50501 would like some help with the size of the original pitching platform of the J.D. press. He would like to correspond with anyone having one of these units.

DAVID R. AIKENS, R.D. 2, Edinboro, Pennsylvania 16412 is wondering if anyone has a mix for IHC green used on the M series engines. He would also like to thank Ted Straka and Russ Houseknecht for their invaluable help in restoring his 6 HP Ellis.

Someone really needs your help in looking for something-read on as HOMER DOTSON, 4508 Woodville Road, Leetonia, Ohio 44431 writes: 'After reading the article on Ford coils in March-April 1981 Magazine, I felt I should write and see if anyone could help me.

When I was a good-sized boy in the mid 1940s, our neighbor had a Ford coil with a gadget on it which converted it into an electric fencer. The coil laid down horizontally and the gadget mechanism was on top and was fastened to the two lead contacts. What I can remember was something of a horizontal glass tube above the coil with an iron ball which reciprocated back and forth from one end of glass tube to the other end and this also, of course, caused the high tension current to alternate slowly. The glass tube raised and lowered on one end or a magnet somewhere caused the iron ball to move inside to make an alternating switch. I had the impression some company produced these outfits. Does anyone know where I can buy one of these outfits or where I could get information to build one?' (Anybody know what he is talking about-let us know too.)

BERT DADO, Beecher, Illinois 60401 sends this short letter: 'I recently acquired a Model U-13, serial #535, Circa 1914, Jacobsen, Racine, Wisconsin, Utilimotor equipped with a 110 V generator. This is quite a unique little two cycle engine. I would like to know if any of my good buddies in Engineland could give me some information on this one. I would like to hear from someone who has a gem like this and I will answer all letters.'

TREVOR JACKSON, 10589 Crary Lane, Kirtland, Ohio 44094 needs some information on his Stover engine. It is a model K with an open crank, serial #KA190244. He would like to know the horsepower and the year it was made. Trevor is 15 and awaits your answers.

An interesting letter comes from MIKE HOFER, R.R., Collins, Iowa 50055 and he tells us: 'I would like to tell the people out there how I came to be interested in antique engines and tractors. Living in a farming community has given me the advantage of being around mechanical things. My Dad has always been interested in antiques and it naturally rubbed off on me. The clincher was when my grandfather moved into an old house and found a 5 HP Witte in the garage. SO-we ended up with it in the shop.

I didn't think too much about it until last year when we were cleaning the shop and decided to try to free the piston, so we tipped the old rascal on end and poured fuel oil in the cylinder. It took about three weeks before the piston was loose. Then we set it back down and I made an exhaust pushrod out of a piece of well rod and Dad cleaned up the magneto-Wico EK mags must have been really good. It hadn't moved in a long time but the magnets were strong and it immediately had a nice spark. After this, we obtained an oiler and brought the loyal Farmall H over and belted up. It took a long time but it finally caught and did it ever make that tin roof shake!

Enclosed is a picture of our pride and joy. In the future we are planning on new skids and paint. In closing I would like to know the year Witte #B11430 was produced and I would appreciate a paint color number for a Jaeger engine. Would also like to correspond with other Witte lovers.'

This writing was sent by MILTON W. FOX, R.R. 1, Bicknell, Indiana 47512: ' in the March-April issue of GEM, Mr. Harold J. Engelhart wrote about an International crawler and requested some information on it. So, here goes-

This basic vehicle was an International McCormick Deering, Industrial 30 (I-30-modified). This group of I-30 tractors was manufactured from 1931 to 1940, with a production of 5468 tractors.

Your tractor (or crawler) is equipped with a Hough shovel. IHC and the Frank G. Hough Company of Libertyville, Illinois had a working relationship whereby Hough equipment was used on IHC tractors until 1952, when IHC bought the Hough Company. In 1965 this became Hough Division of International Harvester Company.

For export to other countries only 'International' (not McCormick Deering) was used on IHC tractors.

 Whenever making inquiries about any tractor or crawler, it is very important to give the serial number and also the prefix letters-this saves everybody a lot of time.

The tracks were probably manufactured by the Hough Company, although IHC may have done this. In the 1920s, there was a W.A. Riddell Company of Bucyrus, Ohio, that did a great deal of work for (or with) IHC like the Hough Company did-but what became of the Ohio Company, this writer does not know.

Keep up the good work with GEM.'

'I would like to hear from anyone who has a Kinkade garden tractor made in Minneapolis about 1926, a large spiked wheel that does the pulling with an engine mounted inside the wheel.

I enjoy your magazines even though the only ones I have an opportunity to read are from 1977 and 1978.' (Any answers? If so, please write LLOYD J. HOFFMANN, 543 North Elm, Sauk Centre, Minnesota 56378).

'Here's one I would like to know,' quotes R. R. JESSUP, 5613 Elon, Orlando, Florida 32808.

'I'm an Allis Chalmers nut and would like to know if anyone owns an RC Allis. There are still a lot of B, C, WC and a few UC's still around, but I never see mention of the RC. For those who don't know, it was a WC chassis with a B engine. The theory behind it was the RC would be more economical to purchase and operate but when the owner traded up to a WC, he'd already have the mounted implements. AC engineers brought the RC to a halt with the two-row Model C.

I recently purchased a 1939 WC with an extra W stationary engine for $100.00. The poor 'ole critter looks bad now, but she'll be better. Runs good anyhow. See Want Ads.'

It's a family affair and isn't that great as this letter came through from THE DENNIS W. ERICKSON FAMILY, 3751 Rosewood Avenue, Los Angeles, California 90066: 'My family and I have just started restoring our first gas engine. It is a horizontal hit and miss engine. The plate says: Type D, Serial #13834, Speed 450, HP 2?, De Laval, Dairy Supply Co., San Francisco - Seattle. ALPHA is in a logo-triangle.

We have a few questions: What were the colors of these engines? What is the year of manufacture, and do you have any information about the company that manufactured these? It appears that the piston or the connection rod was replaced, because our engine has two screws that secure the wrist pin to the piston and also the rod has a pinch bolt that secures the wrist pin to the rod. This seems as though it will lock the rod solidly to the piston if both are tightened down. How can this be repaired or changed to make it workable?

We would like to hear from anyone that could help us with these problems. We certainly enjoy reading your magazine.'

We hear from another young engine enthusiast and he tells you: 'I need help from all those Fairbanks Morse engine buffs! I am 13 and my uncle has just purchased a Fairbanks Morse 2 HP Model Z. I would like to find out where I could get the color of it and were there any decals for it? One more thing, there is a nameplate on the side about Humdinger Contractor's Pumps made by Ralph B. Carter Co. in New York with a serial number of 1046(?). If anyone can help me please write WILLIE DUCHAJ, 404 Kane Avenue, Elgin, Illinois 60120 or call 312-741-8656. (We're glad to hear from these young people interested in the engines, but I must caution again, we cannot mention parts or anything that could be bought in this column. These types of articles must be put in classified ads. Sorry Willie.)

STANLEY WARD, Route 1, Box 130, Alexandria Bay, New York 13607 is hoping someone can tell him the year and horsepower of his Type A Seager Olds. The flywheels are 2' x 28?', bore 41/8' x 6' stroke, push rod make and break and governor on flywheel, serial #2A14OD-No. 3. The man he got it from in 1954 was 83 years old and thought he bought it in 1908 and was 5 HP-possible(?)

A letter comes from GREG PREVIS, Box 93, King William, Virginia 23086 and he relates: 'I recently restored an engine which my grandfather bought as a basket case from Buhrman & Sons in Richmond. This is a John Deere dealer and therefore I was led to believe it was a J.D. and I also have found replacement parts which are a green color. Is this a faded J.D. green? The engine number is 267104 and horsepower is 1? F at 550 RPM. This engine also uses a Wico EK type magneto and a Champion 25 sparkplug. It has a 3?' bore and 5' stroke. Can anyone out in Engineland help me on this one? (Let him hear from you fellows.)

'Does anyone out there know the color of a Huber Light Four 12-25 Cross engine tractor?' Please write to LOUIS MILLER, 807 Pine, Georgetown, Texas 78626 if you do.

Two interesting queries come from GLEN RUPERT, 1833 Norwood Blvd., Peoria, Illinois 61604: 'I haven't been at this gas engine hobby long and I would answer all letters if I can get some information.

First, I have a small hit and miss with no name. The flywheels are 10?' with hearts cast into them. Would the heart-shaped holes be a clue to who made it? I would like to hear from anyone that has one like it or knows who made it. Also, is the 'PB' Model Briggs & Stratton the only model that was made headless?' (I hope someone can help you Glen, watch the mails?)

BEV MEYERS, W. Henderson Road, Henderson, Michigan 48841 writes: 'First of all I would like to say that the Gas Engine Magazine is a very unique publication and I really look forward to receiving each issue.

I am now in the process of restoring a 1917 wooden hand-feed Sterling thresher made for International Harvester. What I would like to know is the color of the machine. It appears to be either pink or a faded out red, I am not sure. Also, what color were the wheels, axles and pulleys? I would very much like to correspond with anyone who has ever operated one of these machines.'

'I enjoy reading your wonderful magazine and especially the Smoke Ring Column,' says ROBERT HALL, JR., 32564 Cable Drive, Dowagiac, Michigan 49047. His letter continues: 'I was wondering if anyone has made up a roster of the John Deere L - LA tractor. If not, I would like to start one, if the owners would like to send me their names, addresses, serial numbers, etc. When completed it would be available to everyone.

I own three John Deeres: a 1938 'B', an 'H' and an 'LA'. The 'B' and the 'LA' are being checked for serial numbers now. They were so rusted that the numbers could not be picked up. I also own a few other odd motors.

Keep up the good news to all of us 'old engine nuts''.

Another newcomer to the Gas Engine Magazine writes and needs your help: 'I am new to GEM and I find myself waiting anxiously for every new issue. I like Smoke Rings the best because that's where I learn the most.

Now I need some help from my fellow engine buffs as I have a stationary engine that I cannot identify. It is a dry head, water-cooled hopper type engine about 1 or 1? HP. This engine has 3?' bore and a 5' stroke. The flywheels are 17' across with a 1?' face. The only identification marks are these part numbers on connecting rod-4012, rocker arm 4035, rocker arm mount 4036, flywheel pulley side 4048, flywheel governor side with cranking handle in wheel 4047-B, carburetor 4091, cylinder head 1398. Ignition is by sparkplug, but the supply is unknown. This engine strongly resembles a Utica; as I have only seen drawings of the Utica it is hard to tell for sure. One thing more-the hopper dimensions are as follows:

These are small bumps about 1 across. There are two on each side. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.' And then he said, 'Anna Mae, have a good day today and a better day tomorrow and happy engine hunting to my fellow buffs.' (If you can help this newcomer, please write THOMAS HAWKIN, Shun Pike, R.R. 2, Johnston, Rhode Island 02919.

Two years ago FRANK G. NAESSEN, Comstock, Wisconsin 54826 bought a Bessemer 2 HP upright barrel-cooled gas engine, serial #1662, 650 RPM. He would like to know the years they were made and the sizes they came in, plus color scheme and any other bits of information.

A letter from PAUL W. REEDER, 835 West Fourth Street, Williams-port, Pennsylvania 17701 says this: 'I would appreciate it if there could be inserted in your Smoke Rings my request for information concerning a Jaeger hit and miss, serial #301966, two horsepower with Webster magneto and igniter. I am very new in this hobby and need the following information:

When was this engine manufactured? Its original color was blue, but can someone tell me a paint number which matches the original? What color was the pin striping? When the magneto was new, what color were its parts? Was there a Jaeger decal on both sides of the water hopper? Did the Hercules decal appear on the front of the water hopper? What type of muffler was the original on this engine? (It has a 1' exhaust pipe.)

I would also appreciate color photographs of accurately restored engines, which I will either pay for or return. These pictures can either be of the entire engine or close-ups of particular parts, including the mag.

This has turned out to be a lot of requests, but I would like my first restoration to be right.

I enjoy GEM very much.'

'Help!' calls DALE SHERBURNE, 2315 Lake Elmo Ave. N., Lake Elmo, Minnesota 55042. 'I would like some information on two engines, both 2 HP horizontal hopper-cooled; Sandow serial #113939 or 114939 and Lansing serial #80035. I would like to know year of manufacture, colors of engines and if possible some history of the companies. And what is the set-up for battery and fuel tank for the Sandow?

I am looking eagerly forward to the next issue of GEM and the first show in our area.'

WILLIAM C. KUHL, 464 South 5th Street, Sebewaing, Michigan 48759 addresses a problem on valve setting which may interest quite a few folks: 'This deals with setting valves on the Rumely Oil Pull tractor. I helped my brother grind valves on his 30 x 50Y Oil Pull tractor and after we put it back together, it never ran right. We set the valves the way we always do on tractors, by turning engine to low cam and adjusting rocker arms to about .025 thousands or the thickness of a common hack saw blade. This is where we made a mistake and it wasn't until last summer at one of the engine shows that I talked to a nice man from Canada, about the problem we had with the Oil Pull after grinding the valves. I would like to thank him by means of Smoke Rings, for advice he gave me.

He said you have to time the valves on an Oil Pull tractor by the marks on the flywheel; you don't just set them in the conventional way. The problem we had was no compression on number 2 cylinder and engine would pop back through carburetor. I have read the Oil Pull manual several times, but I never really understood what they were trying to tell me. They talk about using a piece of paper to adjust valve clearance between valve stem and rocker arm, and what they are really saying is to use a piece of paper to tell you when you have all the clearance between the valve stem and rocker arm taken up. When you set valve timing by the marks on the flywheel and the pointer on top of crankcase, and you turn engine over to low cam, you will find a lot more clearance between valve stem and rocker arm then you think should be there, but this is normal.

We set the valves, or I should say, timed the valves on the 30 x 50 by the marks on the flywheel and now we have so much compression you can hardly pull it over and it runs normal again. Thanks to the nice gentleman from Canada. This proves again that one is never to old to learn something new. (You're right Bill, and I don't care how many years we have on us, we can learn something new almost every day, but isn't that one of the things that makes life so interesting?)

A letter comes from ANDREW K. MACKEY, 26 Mott Place, Rock-away Boro, New Jersey 07866 as he tells us: 'Thank you for making a really fine magazine. I've got a few questions for you and the good people out there in Engineland.

First, I own a Fairbanks-Morse Model Z, 154 HP engine. It has an American Bosch high tension magneto, is painted dark green and has this number stamped on top of the hopper: 579819. I believe it was built about 1925. I would like to know if a hand crank was used to start this engine and if so, could someone give me the dimensions of it so I can make one? Second, is an Economy-Hercules engine. The brass I.D. plate is missing. I was wondering if someone could date it for me. It has these numbers on the pieces named. Tripper 345 K26, ignitor bracket 303 K26, connecting rod, 4 Atlas 456 with AH on the other side. Last, on the crankshaft throws S and 555 cast on one side, 1? HP on the other- stamped. Bore is 5', stroke 7?'. The engine is painted red with black trim. Can anyone help?? Third is the Webster Tri-Polar oscillator on this engine, Type AK, serial #657353. I need to know how old it is and of what capacity the condenser is supposed to be. Are they available? I thank you for your generous help.'

'I am new to the Gas Engine World and I thought maybe some readers of Smoke Rings could answer a few questions for me,' says MAX BROWN, 982 Nash Road, N. Tonawanda, New York 14120. 'First, I just acquired a Moto-Mower engine, nearly complete. It is a Detroit Model for 27' Machine No. 4930. Secondly, I have a Friend Orchard Sprayer, Model DXA, #9343, Gasport, N.Y. And last, a Maytag Twin, 72-D, serial #62637. It only runs when one sparkplug wire is grounded to the engine. Maybe somebody can help me as for years of manufacture, horsepower, etc.' (Max also says he enjoys our magazine very much, and I am sure he'll enjoy it more if he gets your help.)

A short letter comes from JOSEPH A. MERCER, R.D. 1, Box 110, Hookstown, Pennsylvania 15050, phone 412-573-4392: 'It has been a long time since I have written. First I want to thank all my customers who bought engines from me through ads in the GEM. Second I want to remind all of you that I consider myself an expert on the use and operation of hot tubes for ignition on the older engines. If anyone is having trouble with them, let me know and I will try to help. I am selling the last of my engines. (See ad in the For Sale column.)'

DONALD E. THALER, Route 1, 100th Avenue, Hart, Michigan 49420 writes: 'We have only been on the gas engine kick for a few years, but we both (I suppose he means his wife) enjoy the engines as a hobby. We really enjoy your magazine.

Our first engine was a 1? HP Sattley Montgomery Ward & Co. engine with a Webster magneto, serial #34862. The engine was kept inside and in excellent condition. We are sure the color is red. What we don't know is its age. We were told at a show that it was in the teens. We have the catalog advertised in GEM copyright 1918. Our base and water hopper is different. Also who actually built the Sattley? What is the connection between the Sattley and Jumbo? We have a 2 HP Little Jumbo, serial #2212, Model U. Is there a difference between Jumbo and Little Jumbo? What is the year of our Little Jumbo? Thanks in advance for all help we may receive and we will answer any mail.' (See, they already have the faith that they will get answers-and they Will.)

Some information that may make many of you happy comes from BILL JERGOVICH, Drayton Plains, Michigan 48020. He writes: 'From time to time a GEM reader requests information regarding manifolds, carburetors and related parts for Fordson tractors. Many are unaware of the fact that the Fordson tractor had six different types of manifold- carburetor assemblies since its inception in 1917. The enclosed photograph deals with the last such manifold carburetor assembly which was introduced in the Irish-Fordson in 1929 and was used on English Fordsons as well; until they were phased out on or about 1939. This manifold was designed to operate on straight gas and could be used on any Fordson 1917-1939.

Anyone requesting parts or information regarding this unit can always refer to this issue of GEM as a basis of illustration.' (I'll thank you for all the readers, Bill. I imagine this will come in handy for many of them.)

This missal comes from DAVID E. GRIM, 2615 East River Road, Newton Falls, Ohio 44444: 'I recently acquired a Brownwall air and hopper-cooled gas engine. The engine was found in an old collapsed house after family had died and relations came to clean up the remains. I received the engine as payment for work. I must admit, I didn't expect the engine to be much when they said, 'There's an old gas engine under there, it's yours!

This is a rather large engine weighing in at about ? to ? ton. I obtained the original owner's manual with the engine, but parts of the pages are missing. I see from looking through the remaining part of the manual that the letter preceeding the casting part numbers indicates the horsepower of said engine. The letter D preceeds all casting numbers. The original color is about gone, but appears to be a light blue or green.

I had an Amishman from this area who is quite capable with these engines, tear the engine down and check it out. The bearings were in beautiful shape; the piston was in no way damaged by long years of non-use. It was all put back together and now runs beautifully. The engine has a magneto and runs with either that or the coil. The magneto is original and matches perfectly.

I have found no serial number, if there is one, on the engine-just the D series stampings. The only other distinguishing feature I can find is the words Edgar and Sheffield on the rod which locks out the valve on idle strokes of the engine. My guess is the Edgar is the dealer and Sheffield was the address. Could this be correct?

My friend tells me that he believes the engine to be circa 1912-15, although we can find no one who knows of a large Brownwall. The engine was probably bought new by the last owner as they were considered rather wealthy at the turn of the century. How can I find out more as age, horespower, original cost, number produced and number in existence, color it should be and value? Also, what actually is belt horsepower?' (Lots of questions to answer fellows.)

A complimentary letter comes from LARRY BOUTWELL, Route 1, Box 189, Penacook Road, Contoocook, New Hampshire 03229: 'Just a few lines to GEM. No better magazine covers the hobby than this publication. I look forward to every issue and they get better every time.

I wonder if any GEM readers can provide me with information about the early Ohio engines. I have a side-shaft model, tank-cooled, about 1906 vintage. I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.'

MONROE MILLER, 250 Kulp Road, Harleysville, Pennsylvania 19438 has an answer for What Is It photo on page 26 of Jan.-Feb. issue: 'This photo is of a 1904 curved dash Olds auto engine, rated 7 HP, 5' bore, 6' stroke, water-cooled by radiator. Monroe says he owns two of these tiller steered 1904 autos.

A note of interest comes in the letter from CHAS. H. WENDEL, R.R. 1, Box 28-A, Atkins, Iowa 52206: 'The reply to our plea for information on gas engine companies has been amazing. Dozens of letters and phone calls have poured in from all over the country. This response has certainly boosted our enthusiasm for the 'Gas Engine Encyclopedia' project.

For some strange reason we haven't received any material on Canadian built engines. There were many, but at this point we don't have much. Perhaps some of the readers of GEM might be able to share something with us on the Canadian gas engine builders.

Many people have written to us suggesting that paint color and striping information be included in the book. We think this is a great idea, and hope to persuade one of the major paint companies to cooperate with the use of their color numbers. If this can be arranged, it will certainly be a boost to engine restorers. Send us a color chip and striping information on your engines, but please be certain about the color, or there will be all kinds of unpleasant comments later on. If you don't have a color number, send us a sample. Just paint a piece of heavy paper and let it dry thoroughly, then send it in to us.

Many thanks to all who have contacted us regarding the engine book. Keep it up, and maybe we can get an encyclopedia together.'

Many of you interested in information on the Big 4 tractors may appreciate this letter from ALFRED EGBERS, Hooper, Nebraska 68031: 'I read with interest in the Jan.-Feb. 1982 GEM the article on Big 4 tractors. I have a complete set of John Deere books starting with book No. 1 to book No. 6 given to dealers by the company to sell and price from, with pictures of all implements. After 1936 each piece of implement had its own book. These books were current for several years. Books had 500-600 pages.

In John Deere book #4, pages 133-140 are all about Big Four '30' tractor, tells all specifications. Also pictures of gears, motor magneto and selling points. Book #4 was used from about 1909-1912, so John Deere sold these tractors those years.

These books also list many kinds of gas engines that John Deere sold before they made and sold Waterloo Boy and John Deere engines. I am wondering if anyone else has a complete set of John Deere books. The only other set I know of is in the possession of the Deere Company.' (How about it, anyone else have a set of these?)

Keep your pens handy for there are a lot of questions coming from WILLIAM W. LAYNE, Route 1, Box 19, Concord, Virginia 24538 as he says: 'I have a portable Wajax pressure pump with 2 cylinder engine made by Watson Jack & Co. Ltd., Montreal Castle Bld., Vancouver 817 Pender St. W., S.N. DDVC-0635 made in Canada. This information I copied off brass plate on engine base. This engine is stuck tight and I have been soaking it with penetrating oil. This is also a headless engine. What I need to know is this engine a common one or is it rare? Does it have aluminum pistons? Does anyone know what kind or type of carburetor it is supposed to have as it doesn't have one on it?





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S & SC

June 1930

Nov. 1933

T, TA & TC

Aug. 1930

May 1931


Sept. 1940

Dec. 1945


June 1931

May 1933

*Changed to new model numbers in December 195S





Aug. 1936

Nov. 1941



Jan. 1957

and WR

Oct. 1938

Feb. 1942


June 1937

May 1941


Aug. 1931

Oct. 1949

Z & ZZ

Aug. 1931



Mar. 1950

Mar. 1957


June 1949

June 1957


June 1952

Aug. 1957


June 1955

Dec. 1958


Aug. 1954

May 1955


July 1953

Dec. 1958


Jan. 1953

May 1955


July 1953

Dec. 1958


Jan. 1953

May 1955


June 1955

Dec. 1958


Aug. 1954

May 1955


Jan. 1950

Apr. 1956


June 1949

June 1957

8 - (Old)

Aug. 1949

Apr. 1953

8 - (New)

July 1952

Aug. 1957


June 1955

Dec. 1958


Jan. 1955

May 1955


June 1955

Dec. 1958


Aug. 1948

May 1962

It appears to be a 2 cycle and it probably has reed valves. Am I right? For cooling purposes seems like water circulates through the engine block from a line leading from the pump. It is a rather small engine with aluminum base. The size is illustrated by the sparkplugs. I am sending photos, one of each side. This engine is painted red. Is this the original color? Also what is the original color scheme of the Alamo, Novo, Worthington, and the International L. A and IHC 'M'? Can anyone out there in Engineland help me?'

Another person seeking a lot of information comes in this letter from MARION MENDENHALL, R.R. 2, Mound City, Missouri 64470: 'I am writing to Smoke Rings about an old gasoline engine. I have an old Pierce vertical type engine and I have seen it run several times when I was just a kid-a few years back. The cylinder head, piston wall, water jacket and all is molded in one casting. One valve is seated in the casting on one side and the other is in another casted piece on the other side which is removable and is directly across from the other for access and removal of it. The piston naturally is up and down and fires at the bottom. It has only one flywheel and the crankshaft has an extended arm like crank.

Since my uncle had to leave his home in 1950 because of ill health the junk seekers stripped the engine of all brass oilers, oil cups and carburetor or fuel mixer whichever it was. I don't know what the original firing system was, but when I saw it run, it was fired with a Model T Ford coil and a 6 volt hot shot or storage battery. There is no identification tag on the engine and I can see no place where it might have been. Can someone help me with information on the original oiling, cooling, ignition, paint color and carburetion of this old engine?'

Many of you will be interested in the following list and letter from THOMAS M. JENSEN, 559 Sheldon Road, Palmyra, New York 14522: 'I got permission from Briggs-Stratton to have you print this list of cast iron Briggs-Stratton engines in GEM. I wish I had the serial numbers for each engine and the years that they were made, but this list will give the collector some idea when his engine was made. Anyone that wants to know what year their Briggs-Stratton was made write to Briggs-Stratton, give them the model number or letter and serial number and they will gladly answer your letter. Their address is Briggs-Stratton Corporation, P.O. Box 702, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201.

I have two Witte engines that I would like to know what years they were made, serial number 26431, 2 HP, headless and serial number B 20005 head type 2 HP. I'll thank anyone in advance that answers. In 1980 and again in 1981 I drove over 5,000 miles visiting collectors in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Wisconsin, North Dakota and South Dakota.

Will Rogers once said and I quote 'I never met a man I didn't like.' As for me I never met an engine collector I didn't like. A wonderful bunch of guys. Great hobbie!

Well, that about winds things up for this issue except to leave you with a few thoughts to ponder: You are not just One Person, but Three-the one YOU think you are, the one OTHER PEOPLE think you are, and the person YOU REALLY ARE -- When happiness gets into your system, it is bound to break out on the face. - - There are three answers to prayer: YES, NO, WAIT A WHILE. - - Fads come and go; common sense goes on forever. Bye, bye - have fun at the shows and let us hear from you.

GE Muinely Anna Mae