Associated HP engine


H. W. Keathley

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Especially during the past year, the Reflector has been hearing of theft and/or vandalism to engines and tractors while being displayed at some of the various shows. Apparently most of this activity takes place at night, since thieves are usually too cowardly to do their work in open daylight. The gas engine and tractor hobby has been notably free of this activity in the past, so it is very unfortunate that thievery is now becoming a problem. The point is that in order to help prevent thievery, we as collectors need to take some preventive action.

First of all, we highly recommend that you note the serial numbers, color, and other unique characteristics of your engines in any small note-book. Should problems arise, at least you have this much to go on if you need to describe your engine.

Secondly, we recommend the use of a metal etcher or other marking device to affix your own special marking in an inconspicuous location. This will further serve to identify an engine should it be recovered.

Thirdly, it is becoming imperative that even the smaller shows use some sort of security people during the nighttime hours, as well as during the setup days prior to a show. The presence of the local constabulary seems to greatly retard these activities.

While we do not wish to activate an unnecessary alarm, we hope our readers will take heed and be alert to the fact that thievery can occur. By taking some precautions in advance, the problem might be minimized or avoided.

We also wish to address the problem of getting pictures returned to their rightful owners. Occasionally, either the Reflector or the Publisher fails to achieve this goal of getting pictures returned. This is not at all intentional the Reflector received this month, some over three pounds of individual letters and other materials for present or future use in the column. Keeping all this in some semblance of order is in itself a formidable task. We ask for your patience in returning these items, and further request that you write your name, address, and 'Please Return To:' on the back of the photographs. Questions for this month begin with:

20/8/1 Menno L. Kliewer, 43138 Road 52, Reedley, CA 93654 writes that 'In restoring Maytag square tub washing machines, a near perfect color match to the original is a light gray spray paint called Orr-Lac No. 906 from Spray Products Corp., Norristown, PA 19404. It is also distributed by Spray Products Mfg. Inc., 1481 S. DeWolf Ave., Fresno, CA 93727.' Mr. Kliewer notes that he will be happy to assist anyone in this matter.

20/8/2 We are looking for a manual or any information on a Fairbanks-Morse 5 HP Type PZ, Style B engine, s/n 787303. William Boyd, 1520BTR 57,Rawson, OH45881.

20/8/3 Mr. P. ]. Counts, RR 1, Box 180, Luthersville, GA 30251 is looking for an operator's manual or information on a Fairbanks-Morse Type 'Y', Style VA, 2-cylinder vertical oil engine.

A. If there is no response from GEM readers, perhaps a phone call to the Customer Service people at Fairbanks-Morse might work. We suspect the information is available on a photocopy basis from the company, but getting to the right people seems to be the problem.

20/8/4 Regarding the A. W. Gray's Sons Company at Poultney, Vermont, we have a letter from Mr. Carl F. Altvater, 18 Ranch Road, Woodbridge, CT 06525: The company was founded by Albert Wheeler Gray who died in 1886. His sons, Leonidas and Albert Y. Gray carried on the business into the early 1900's. They built and sold gasoline engines for a very few years from the Gray foundry in Poultney in cooperation with the Ruggles Machine Company of the same city. A fire destroyed the business in the early igoo's and engine building ceased.

A. W. Gray's sons continued manufacturing other farm equipment at their main plant in Middletown Springs, Vermont until about 1917. About this time the Ruggles business was taken over by another company. For further information, see page 215 of American Gas Engines Since 1872.

20/8/5 Q. We need information, color, etc. on an Araco engine manufactured by Oil City Engine & Power Company, Oil City, PA. The engine is #1732. It is of hot tube, natural gas style with a flyball governor. Don Siver, Rt. 5, Box 187, Towerville, PA 19320.

A. American Gas Engines illustrates an Araco engine on page 27, but this one indicates it was built by American Railroad Appliance Company, Oil City, PA. Perhaps these two companies were really one and the same???

20/8/6 Bob Ciaccio, 70 Fireside Lane, East Setauket, NY 1173 3 recently acquired an engine resembling an Associated or United. It has no name tag, but the crankshaft is stamped 8G473A. Cast into the flywheels are the letters ABD. Also needed is information on a Briggs & Stratton Model FI, s/n 4653.

A. A look at the Associated and United indicates the three letter numberingsyStem was indeed used, but for both styles, the flywheel part number begins with either C, D, or E. A photograph might help in identifying the engine.

20/8/7 Q. What is the proper color scheme for the International Famous 2 HP Vertical engines? It appears the paint color was not always red, but in some cases the base and or flywheels appear to be dark olive green. John Rex, Box 'P', Bedford, MA 01730.

A. The Reflector has been wrestling with this question for some time now. It is a certainty that all were not painted the same we have concluded that the earlier production gained the extra time and luxury of a two-tone job, plus some striping and decals. During the latter production years, red and red alone seems to have predominated. For instance an original IHC catalog illustrating the Famous horizontal style in full color depicts a red frame and cylinder, with the flywheels, crank guard, push rod, cam gear, and valve mechanism all being the olive green. While restoring our own 4 HP Famous horizontal we discovered this to be partially, but not entirely so with olive green being used very sparingly. Therefore, the Reflector has concluded that the combination of red and olive green did indeed vary during the years of production. We believe it to be accurate to restore an engine just as it was originally finished, even though it may not precisely fit some predetermined ideas of the proper colors. We used DuPont 93-660-H red and 93-29609-H olive green.

20/8/8 Q. Where can we obtain Massey-Harris red and Massey-Harris yellow enamel? Harold Eckstine, iii-H Hunter Hill Apt., Hagerstown, MD 21740.

A. We believe that these colors can be matched by DuPont, Sherwin-Williams, or other automotive stores in your vicinity.

20/8/9 Art Anderson, Rt 1, 25275 I pava, Lakeville, MN 55044 gives us a recipe for Fordson clutches that will not release when cold. Noting the six notches in the driven plates, Mr. Anderson says that after first numbering the notches I through 6, place the disk on a large wooden block and hit it with a round-faced hammer on notches 1,3, and 5. Then turn it over and strike between notches 2, 4, and 6. It should be slightly wavy when done. Do this to all the driven plates as indicated, and it will shift like a car. Art also notes that he used this remedy back in the 1920's when he was in the auto and tractor repair business.

A. Thanks for the information, Art. We hope some of the Fordson people might benefit from your experience.

20/8/10 Edward L. Rumrill, 682 Skitchewaug Trail, Springfield, VT 05156 needs information on a 1957 model Planet Jr. garden tractor, and also needs information on a Centaur garden tractor.

20/8/11 Q. I would like some information on an International LB, 1-2 HP engine. It runs like a hit-and-miss engine and it is not supposed to. 1 have had it all apart but cannot find what is wrong. Brian Hutchings, Box 141, Smyrna, NY 13464.

A. If you do not have an operator's manual, reprints of these are available from several different GEM advertisers. If the ignition timing and valve timing are correct, then the most likely spot is in the carburetion system. A leaky foot valve in the fuel tank might cause the problem, or the air valve may need attention.

20/8/12 Q. I have a 6 HP Famous Hopper Cooled engine (IHC) with a sub-base. The subbase has green paint on it. What is the proper color? Also have a 6 HP Cummins diesel engine and need information to get the fuel injection system repaired. Any information will be of help. Dana Schroeder, RR 6, Box 138, Fergus Falls, MN 56537.

A. The matter of IHC Famous engines has already been covered in 20/8/7. This is the first we have heard of an early Cummins diesel for some years now. Offhand, we don't know of another owner, but if someone can help out with this problem, let us hear from you.

20/8/13 Rich Howard, Hysham, MT 59038 needs to correspond with anyone having a 2-3 HP Alamo or Flying Dutchman engine. Also requested is the proper color for a Rock Island engine.

A.Our records indicate Rock Island engines to be light brown, comparable to DuPont Dulux 93-24590.

20/8/14 Q. We have an Associated HP engine as shown in an adjacent photograph. Need more information on this engine, along with some magneto repair parts. H. W. Keathley, 5146 Rebridge Drive, Boise, ID 83703.

A. A former Associated Mfrs. plant manager once told the Reflector that this particular engine caused the company more headaches than all the rest put together. He went on to say that for every 100 we shipped, it seemed like 200 came back. Because of this, the HP model is not exceptionally plentiful. While we cannot identify the magneto, we suspect that Associated might have built it themselves this firm built their ownlow-tension magnetos for most of their production years. Unless some real luck comes along, precision machine work might be the next step in getting this one complete and operating.

20/8/15 Fred Marineau, RR I, Box 180, Wallace, MI 49893 asks for information on a 5 HP Galloway, s/n 44665, including the proper color.

A. Although many Galloway engines are painted the approximate shade of IHC red (DuPont 93-660-H), we suspect they were slightly darker in shade, comparable to 93-2564-H red. No serial number listings are known to exist.

20/8/16 Q. I have acquired the engine shown in an adjacent photograph and I have not the faintest idea what it is. It uses a rotary valve around the entire piston. Any information or help on this engine will be appreciated. Stan Hockey, 605 E. 13 St. N., Newton, IA 50208.

A. Now here's one to identify! Any suggestions???