A Brief Word

Fuller & Johnson 2 HP engine


Edward Hanson

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As this column goes to press in late August, ye olde Reflector has just returned from the Great Fuller & Johnson Reunion at Baraboo, Wisconsin. And what a reunion it was! There were over 160 Fuller & Johnson engines present-probably more than ever assembled since the company was manufacturing engines at nearby Madison. All of the folks at the Baraboo show were very hospitable, but in particular the Kindschis, Verne and Pearlie, were a true delight. In addition, we had a chance to visit with a great many longtime friends, including Dick Hamp, Preston Foster, and many others. GEM's own Gail Knauer was on hand, representing Gas Engine Magazine, as was Don Knowles, the publisher of Engineers & Engines. Bonnie Householder, the well known artist from Milwaukee, was there, as were Jerry Swedborg and Elaine Everson. To all of those we've named, plus hundreds more we met at the Fuller & Johnson Reunion, our thanks for a most enjoyable visit! Gail Knauer, Don Knowles, and myself enjoyed some pleasant times visiting together . . . regardless of whether GEM and E & E are technically competing with each other, let one and all be fully assured that we do compete, but as very good friends! So again, our thanks for myself, Gail Knauer, and all the folks here at GEM!

Lord willing, we plan to be on hand for the Midwest Old Threshers Reunion, and of course, by the time this issue is in your hands, it too will be history for another year. At the risk of jumping the gun a bit, it's always a great pleasure to visit with you folks at the Old Threshers Reunion.

Rarely do we go to a show at which some new make of engine doesn't appear, either physically, or in a group of photos someone brings along. Isn't it ironic that when we started writing about gas engines some quarter century back that many people, myself included, thought we'd probably run out of material within ten years or less.

As the keynote speaker at the Fuller & Johnson Reunion, we attempted to share some thoughts about our hobby. Probably the question we get more frequently than any other is, 'How do you have the patience to answer those same questions over and over about the proper color for an International, and the like?' Essentially, our answer is that the person writing that letter might be a new collector, whether age 13 or age 63. That new collector knows as much right now as we did when we began the hobby. For us to not answer the question, or to deliver a sarcastic response, would be to turn that collector off forever, and we don't believe that's the way to perpetuate our hobby.

We also firmly believe that it behooves us to be courteous and kind to beginning collectors. That young lad asking about an engine, or perhaps with his first engine, has a great amount of enthusiasm. If we help nurture that enthusiasm, perhaps that young lad might continue in our hobby and help the next generation of collectors. Folks, if we don't encourage the young folks to take hold of our hobby, it will lose its lustre by the next generation.

Ye Olde Reflector is of the opinion that ours is one of the most interesting hobbies alive today, not only from the pure joy of the engines, but also from the historical aspects. There are few things in the history of the world that have had such a profound effect on our life and culture as the development of the internal combustion engine. Without it, we would still be riding a buggy to town, or perhaps making the trip with some steam-powered outfit. After all, without the development of the engine to begin with, there simply wouldn't be any tractors, trucks, or cars . . . they all came after the fact. So, we urge you to look after the new collectors . . . someday, some of them will probably own the engines we cherish so much today.

Our questions this month begin with:

27/11/1 Seager Olds Q. Can you give me some idea of the age of a 4 HP Seager Olds engine, s/n D'265? David Fyke, RR 1, Brooklin, Ontario LOB 1C0 Canada.

A. Seager Engine Works operated between 1910 and 1924. Since yours is a very low number, we would assume that it came along early in this period. Beyond that, there is no specific information on the production of this company.

27/11/2 Coldwell Mower See the photo of my restored Coldwell Lawn Mower. It is a Model H, and made at Newburgh, New York. It is equipped with a Fuller & Johnson 2 HP engine. The last patent date on the mower is May 11, 1915. Edward Hanson, 861 Main St., Holden, MA 01520-1804.

21/11/3 Taco Governor Q. See the photo of a TACO governor on my Fordson tractor. I would like to get some information on this governor and how to hook it up to operate properly. Alex Black, 3105 - 9th St., Douglas, AZ 85607.

A. Can any of the Fordson collectors be of help to Mr. Black?

21/11/4 Canadian Engines Several years ago I started to compile a list of engines manufactured in Canada, some are original, some U. S. copies, and some, I would not know one way or the other. I like reading about all engines, but would like to hear some in-depth history of Goold, Shapley & Muir, and production of Canadianbuilt Fairbanks-Morse engines. Michael Unwin, RR 1 Zephyr, Ontario LOE 1T0 Canada.

Mr. Unwin's list follows: Acadia Gas Engine Ltd., Bridgeport, NS Bruce Steward & Company, Charlottetown, PEI Canada Producer & Gas Engine Co., Barrie, ONT

Champion Machine & Motor Works, St. Johns, NewfoundlandChapman Engine & Mfg., Dundas, ONT Desjardins Ltd., St. Andre de Kamouraska, Quebec

Goold, Shapley & Muir, Brantford, ONT Deyo-Macey (Massey-Harris) Toronto, ONT Magnet, Petrie, ONT Sylvester, Lindsay, ONT Eastern Steel Co Ltd. New Glasgow, NS Haggis, Uxbridge, ONT Etherington Gas Engines Ltd., Shelburne, NSĀ Foreman Motor Co., Toronto, ONT Fraser Machine & Motor Co., New Glasgow, NS Gasoline Engine Co Ltd., Toronto Junction, ONT

Guarantee Motor Co., Hamilton, ONT Hawboldt Engine Co., Chester, NS R. A. Lister & Co. Ltd., Winnipeg, MAN London Gas Power Co. Ltd., London, ONT Lunenburg Foundry Ltd., Lunenburg, NS Omega Machine Co., St. Hyacinthe, Quebec Renfrew Machine Co., Renfrew, ONT Robarts, Oatess & Justice Co., Winnipeg, MAN Semmelhaack-Dickson Ltd., Montreal, Quebec Hoag Oil Engine Co., Brantford, ONT Ontario Wind Engine & Pump Co., Toronto, ONT

J. A. Fellow, Brantford, ONT C. S. Judson & Co. Ltd., Winnipeg, MAN Premier, Mfg by ??? Machinery Co., Exeter, ONT Dominion (sideshaft) Quebec Miller Reversible Gasoline Engine Co., Toronto, ONT

Gilson, Guelph, ONT Arthur Galarneau, Port Rouge, Quebec Canadian Engines, Dunville, ONT Chalifoux & Fils Ltd., St. Hyacinthe, Quebec Charles Julien, Port Rouge, Quebec LaFonderie de Victorville, Victorville, Quebec Levis Foundry Co., Levis, Quebec Manitoba Engines Ltd., Brandon, MAN Massey'Harris Co., Toronto, ONT National Farming Equipment, Montmagny, Quebec Plessisville Foundry Co., Plessisville, Quebec Robertsonville Foundry Co., Robertsonville, Quebec

21/11/5 Novo Model RU Engine Q. See the photo of a Novo RU engine, two-cylinder, 3 1/4 x 5, s/n 26423, with a clutch. American Gas Engines shows an older model on page 351. Another on page 352 shows the governor to be a 'B' model, and mine has an 'A' model governor. Any information on this model would be appreciated. Don and Ginny Green, 4024 Country Ln NW, #48, Bremerton, WA 98312.

A. Can anyone supply information on this specific model?

21/11/6 Tractor Decals Needed Q. I can't seem to find decals for an Oliver Standard 70 tractor, also for a Gibson Model I tractor. I have phoned some of the GEM advertisers, but with no luck. Any information will be appreciated. Ted Van-Cott, Box 101, Lavoy, ALT A TOB 2S0 Canada.

A. Does anyone know of a supplier for these decals?

21/11/7 Wheel Horse ClubI have started a club for owners of Wheel Horse lawn and garden tractors. I would appreciate it if you could pass along the information in your Reflections column so that others will know of the club. They can contact me at: Larry Baker, 11256-L Torrie Way, Bealeton,VA 22712.

21/11/8 Fairbanks-Morse Type HQ. See the two photos of a 1 HP Type H Fairbanks-Morse Jack Junior engine, s/n 85391. I can only find traces of red paint. Can you tell me the year built and the proper color? Fred Kummerfeldt, 55 Calumet Ave., Oakland, NJ 07436.

A. It was built before 1911, but that's the earliest year for which we presently have numbers. Some of the earlier ones have the date stamped on the end of the crankshaft, so that's a possibility. Also, it appears that some of the earlier ones were painted red, but we're not sure of a fairly good color match. Can anyone advise?

21/11/9 Kootz & Stroehman Engine Q. Wehaveoneoftheseengines,No. 804, and have been unable to find any information on it. Can anyone help? Jack Bateson, 6509 Portage View Rd., Bbomdale, OH 44817.

A. Our files are bare on this one . . . anyone out there who can help?

27/11/10 Chapman and AlamoQ. I have two Chapman engines, Style A, 2 HP, and s/n 12272 and 151261.Iwould like to know the original color scheme, and the years built. Also the plumbing arrange' ment, as all the pipes are gone.

What is the color for the Alamo Blue Line engines? Is there any way to date an Alamo 2 HP, s/n 61391? Also year built on a Fairbanks-Morse no. 262878 and no. 555948. Bill Dickerson, 410 SE 3rd St., Ankeny, IA 50021.

A. We have no information whatever on the Chapman engines. Can anyone help? Our Notebook shows PPG Ditzler 13594 Blue as being a comparable color for the Alamo. No dates available for the Alamo, but the two Fairbanks engines were built in 1917 and 1923 respectively.

27/11/11 Information Needed Q. See the two photos of a tractor which has been in my family for a number of years. It was recently put in running condition and painted.

I am trying to identify the year of this tractor, and find any other pertinent informotion so that I can show it in antique tractor shows etc. The information I have is that it is a Holt Caterpillar. The engine is a Model M35 and the motor number is 808889. The magneto is not original. Any information will be appreciated. Charles W. English, 2836 Montego, Laming, MI 48912.

A. Can anyone supply further information?

27/11/12 Information Needed Q. See photos 12A and 12B of an engine we cannot identify, and no one seems to know what it is. The rocker arm is no. F28 and the cylinder head is F5. The cylinder has three holes in the back that lead to the exhaust. Photo 12C shows a 1? HP Domestic with a pump, no. 29810. Wewould like to know the year, and also if the cart is original. Kenneth Richards, RR 1, Box 420, Dexter, ME 04930.

A. We're stumped on the unidentified engine, especially since it has an auxiliary exhaust ported to the regular exhaust. Does anyone have information regarding the Domestic?

27/11/13 United Mfg. Company Q. I recently acquired a singk cylinder Little Giant marine engine made by the United Mfg. Company of Detroit, Michigan. I need any information I can find, especially concerning the carburetor, oiler, water outlet ,etc. A very cbse picture of the engine is shown on page 523, top right, in American Gas Engines. Also on page 468, top right, is the same patent number as on my engine (509255), but the construction is not similar. On page 497, lower left, is an engine of similar construction. I found good spots of original paint in several locations. It is a dark green, like used on Fairbanks-Morse. The engine was used in a small boat that traveled on the Petaluma (California) River. Harley B. Crawford, 5070 Algiers Dr., Santa Rosa, CA 95409.

A. If you can be of help on the Little Giant, please contact Mr. Crawford.