Fairbanks-Morse engines


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By the time this issue is in your hands, Spring should be well upon us. As we compile the column in early March, Old Man Winter is still attempting to make a comeback with cold weather, a little snow, and assorted other things. Since Spring is on its way, the Reflector has caught a bad case of 'enginitis', a malady that is very contagious, and a disease of which we are all very susceptible. We know that 'enginitis' is going around, since there have been many, many letters to the Reflector this past month.

Now it's time out for an explanation of how your letters and photos make it into print. Occasionally we receive a letter requesting a personal reply to shorten the waiting time. Although we try to achieve this goal, we receive groups of letters from the Stemgas office every couple of weeks. Because of the large number of letters, we usually hold these until the copy deadline approaches, and then process them all at once. A major reason for this is that any duplication of questions is minimized, thus saving space for other inquiries.

Along this same line, we have been receiving more and more photographs. This helps us immensely, especially where an identification problem is involved. During the past few months, some excellent color photos have been received. Due to the extra time involved in making the color separations and other necessities with color printing, extra lead time is required. Therefore, some of these letters and/or photos may not appear in the second issue following your letter. The Reflector wasn't aware of the extra time involved with color work, so an apology is in order for last month's purported showing of an R & V engine in color. This particular one exhibited the proper striping and color scheme as well as anything we have seen, but unfortunately we didn't get it into GEM in time, and likewise the GEM people didn't catch the oversight until after the proofs were completed. Bear with us, and we will try to publish as much color as possible, especially where new restorations are illustrated.

Although the Reflector definitely plans to represent Stemgas Publishing at the Midwest Old Threshers Reunion this Fall, we are not yet sure of other shows we might attend. We look forward to seeing many of you this year. The shows are a great time to make new friends and renew old acquaintances.

21/5/1 Q. Cisco S. Dockery, 4012 Newport Hwy, Sevierville, FL 37862 inquires regarding the following engine: Ottawa, two-flywheel engine, s/n ES31344. Engine has 183/4 flywheels, uses as Webster Tri-Polar magneto. Would like to know horsepower and proper color of engine.

A. The Reflector has some Ottawa literature, and all of it indicates this engine to be finished in a bright red, probably comparable to Sherwin-Williams JK-3719. Bore & stroke dimension are needed for some idea of the horsepower, and our Ottawa literature does not have this information. However, Robert's Gas Engine Handbookof 1917 gives a formula for determining horsepower of four-cycle gasoline engines:

In estimating the D.H.P. (Delivered Horsepower) to be expected from a single-cylinder motor of a given bore and stroke, the formula D.H.P.=D2LNX may be employed, in which, D=diameter of cylinder in inches; L=stroke in inches; N=r.p.m.; X=factor of 16,000 on gas engines, 14,000 on gasoline engines (four-cycle design).

As an example, take an engine with 4x5 inch bore and stroke, and operating at 500 rpm. Gasoline is the fuel, so the factor of 14,000 will be used. The diameter squared is 16, this multiplied by the stroke of 5 inches, and the product multiplied by 500 (rpm) gives a figure of 40,000. Dividing this by 14,000 yields a delivered output of 2.86 horsepower.

21/5/2 Q. Can you supply the year built and proper paint color for the following:

Fairbanks-Morse Eclipse A4651 and A5554

Fairbanks-Morse Type H, 11887, 4 HP

Goold, Shapely & Muir, 1 HP Cub, #B837

Goold Shapely & Muir, 4 HP Type K, #15413

Enclosed is a picture of a Jacobson? Would like to correspond with anyone who has this engine and who can tell me what parts are missing. Also would like to correspond with anyone who has a Goold, Shapely & Muir 1 HP Cub.

I have a Henricks Novelty Co magneto similar to the one on page 498 of American Gas Engines. Would like to know the year.

Also have an IHC Mogul 2 HP engine, s/n CZ3495 and it is all red. Is this unusual? Bazil Rogers, 8 Davison Street, Hartsport, N.S., Canada B0P 1P0.

A. Unfortunately, our serial number lists of Fairbanks-Morse engines do not include data on the Eclipse or Type H models. Likewise, we have no serial number data on the G.S.&M. models either. We believe that the Eclipse and Type H engines were finished in a deep blackish green, comparable to Sherwin-Williams F1G 43119, International Truck, 1939-49, Dark Green No. 10. We have no data at all regarding paint colors for G.S.& M. Ignition dynamos from Henricks Novelty first appeared about 1904, and dropped from sight in the early 1920's. To our knowledge, Mogul engines used the familiar olive green rather than red. Has the engine been refinished in red? If in fact, it appeared originally in red, this would be the first we have ever heard of it. Kindly let us know.

21/5/3 Q. In the adjacent photo, could you explain the decimal points in the serial number for this Maytag HP vertical engine. In addition, there seems to be a weak set of numbers included to the right. I make them out as 14880. Could these be a part number? Or is this a replacement flywheel to which the serial number was added? Any information would be appreciated. P.S. The photo was taken by a forensic photographer. He filled in the area with white chalk and rubbed away the excess to highlight the numbers. Bernard Sanchez, 3217 S. Hempstead Ave., Arcadia, CA 91006.

A. We can't tell you a thing about the Maytag numbers and their possible significance, but perhaps Maytag enthusiasts have discovered their meaning.

21/5/4 Q. Is there a possibility that various engine clubs around the country might be able to form some sort of group whereby they could be covered by a single carrier for the purpose of liability insurance? Are there any insurance agents that could lend us their expertise on this issue?

Secondly, I have a stock certificate that was issued by Atlas Tractor Company, a Delaware corporation, on December 22, 1920. There is no further information on the certificate except for the signatures of Harry E. Adams and Kenneth L. Eddy. Can anyone supply information on this company? Art Kuney, Secretary, Richmond Antique Engine & Threshing Association, 9010 Shortcut Road, Anchorville, MI 48004.

A. Delaware was a favorite corporation harbor, at least during the early part of the century. We suggest you either contact or visit the Secretary of State office in this state to determine whether they can locate the original articles of incorporation. This could shed some light on the company's origins.

21/5/5 Q. As a brand new engine collector, I am writing for advice and information on my first vintage engine, a 2-stroke, 32-volt generator set. It is a Lalley-Lite, built about 1918 by Lalley Electro Lighting Corp., Detroit, Michigan. Does this company still exist? Since this engine is relatively rare in Australia, I have been unable to gain any information at all. Although the mechanical end is fairly complete, the engine has no switchboard, so I am appealing especially for information on the electrical end. Any correspondence will be appreciated and answered promptly. Ross Alcock, c/o Myponga Post Office, Myponga, South Australia 5173.

A. The Lalley-Light is in no great supply here in the U.S. either, in fact, the Reflector has only once laid eyes on one. Hopefully, just one of our thousands of readers will have some data on this outfit and be willing to share it with you. We would presume that the switchboard from another 32-volt unit could be retrofitted with acceptable results, and with only minor modifications.

21/5/6 Q. Have you come across any more information on the Nelson Bros. engine line besides what you wrote in American Gas Engines? They must have been one of the larger companies, as even today, every engine show has several Nelson-built engines. Dennis R. Brooks, 1208 Marciee Road, Finksburg, MD 21048.

A. We agree with you that Nelson Bros. was a large company in fact, they were in the motor truck business for some years, marketing the Jumbo truck line. There is no question that Nelson Bros. offered their engines to a large number of distributors, who in turn, applied their own name tag. Since assuming responsibility for editing this column, the Reflector has heard of several individuals who are attempting to trace down all the various engines built by Nelson Bros. and offered by other companies. To date, we are not sure whether this has been completed, but we certainly hope someone will take the effort to do so, and share it in a full-length article.

21/5/7 Q. I am just beginning my first engine restoration and need information, paint colors etc. on the following engine:

IHC Type LB, s/n LBB38471

An interesting thing is that the brass drain cock has two German swastikas stamped on it. Lewis Bomar, 309 Lincoln Lane, Billings, MT 59105.

A. Your engine was built in 1944, and perhaps therein lies a speculative answer to the swastikas. For all we know, the company that made the valve had a Nazi sympathizer within the ranksthat's purely a guess, but would make sense under the circumstances. These engines were finished in the usual IHC Red enamel instruction manuals, spare parts, and information should be readily available from many of the suppliers advertising in GEM.

21/5/8J. J. Levora, 62660 C.R. 380, Bangor, MI 49013 offers the following regarding the Ideal Lawn Mowers, and specifically the Ideal engines: Their Instruction manual states that the sight feed oiler should be adjusted to 6-12 drops per minute. This will supply sufficient oil to lubricate the piston and cylinder, with a surplus running into the crankcase to maintain the proper oil level. The oil should be drained from the crankcase occasionally to free it from dirt. A shutoff cock is provided for draining; it is located on the underside of the crankcase. There is also a shutoff cock on the side of the crankcase for determining the proper oil level. Mr. Levora adds that while the 6-12 drops per minute was OK for an engine running at full load, for show purposes, 3-5 drops per minute is sufficient.

A further observation from Mr. Levora is to use care in handling engines by the flywheels. The flywheel is already under plenty of internal stress due to casting and machining, so rough handling etc. can eventually lead to rupture of the flywheel, and no one needs that kind of trouble, especially at a show where an innocent bystander could be injured.

21/5/9 Q. What is the proper color for the P&O plow produced at the same time as the Titan tractors? Also the proper color for the Emerson-Brantingham plow when J. I. Case bought out E-B? What is the proper paint formula for the Case RC tractor 1935-38? It was a lighter color than used on the CC and L series tractors. Between 1916 and 1922 the Grand Detour plows could be equipped with a subsoiler on the beam that extended below the bottom of the plow sole. Edwin Bredemeier, RR 1, Box 13, Steinauer, NE 68441.

A. Our catalogs show the P & O to be red with yellow wheels; the E-B was a very dark red with green wheels. We have no formula data for the RC Case, but keep hoping someone will supply this information.

21/5/10 Q.  I have a Fairbanks-Morse engine, 6 HP, s/n 651030. It starts and runs good until it warms up and then will take off and run wild every time. I can't see anything that is missing or broken. Can you help correct this problem? Orville Rusch, RR 1, Box 131, Wheaton, MN 56296.

A. First of all, we would approximate your engine to be a 1926 model. The problem almost certainly must be with the governor and its linkage. Check the butterfly and shaft to be absolutely certain there is no drag, and likewise there should be no excessive clearance either. If the operating arm on the butterfly shaft is secured with a clamping screw, perhaps the arm is set ahead too far, allowing it to get past the center far enough that the governor arm can't pull it back. (We experienced this problem on a 6 HP 'Z'). The solution is to set the operating arm on the butterfly shaft so it will have about equal travel each side of a vertical position. Another problem might be in the governor mechanism itself FBM 'Z' engine used a flat steel spring in the governor yoke to minimize hunting. The small screw on the side of the yoke makes this adjustment. Many times the adjusting screw was completely removed for faster governor action, especially when sawing wood and similar duty. Beyond this, the spring plunger within the governor shaft could either be running too tight in the shaft, or could be worn to such an extent that it binds. In short, we are betting that the problem is somewhere in the governing system.

21/5/11 Q. Gaskets are not available for many of the old tractors and engines. Silicone and similar materials work fine for oil pans, valve covers, etc., but what can be used for head gaskets and manifold gaskets? Should any type of sealer be used? Herb Wessel, Fairmount Farms, 2200 Fair-mount Road, Hampstead, MD 21074.

A. In checking with some local 'Packings' distributors (see your local Yellow Pages), we find that Garlock for instance still offers asbestos sheet packings, but local distributors aren't ordering much in the way of new stocks. The point is, that if your distributor still has some 1/16' asbestos sheet packing similar to Garlock 7021, it might be a good idea to lay in a supply. Next to this is a non-asbestos product called Garlock Blue-Gard, Style 3400. It is good for about 700 degrees F., and a full sheet, about 60' x 60' will cost somewhere around $100.00. The graphite based homogeneous sheet packing, Graf-Lock can be secured either plain or wire mesh, and is good for 2000 degrees F., but get prepareda 26' square sheet will cost you over $400! We suggest using the old copper clad gaskets whenever possible, some folks suggest that before reusing you soak them in water for a few hours first. So far as a sealerthick aluminum paint has served us quite well, and you can get it apart later on, too!

21/5/12 Q. We need rings and gaskets for a 2-cylinder Novo, model and horsepower unknown at this time. Frank A. Evenden, RD 1, Box 408B, Ulster, PA 18850.

A. Get accurate dimensions of the compression and oil rings, then go to a local automotive distributor, or one of the suppliers in GEM. Rings shouldn't be very difficult to find. Save the head and manifold gaskets if possible, see the previous comment, 21/5/11 for further information.

21/5/13Sometime ago you commented on the gray filler material used on old engines. A 1919 edition of South Bend's 'How to Run a Lathe' gives this formula for filler cement:

Powdered Iron (cast) 5 lbs. Powdered Sal Ammoniac 2 oz. Powdered Sulphur 1 oz. Moisten with water to form a paste.

I suspect this is what they used on old engines although it may be the same as the tradename 'Smooth-On.' Glee C. Berry, 1281 First Ave., Salinas, CA 93905.

21/5/14 Q. I have a Duro engine with two bolts on the same side as the ignition contact. Did these hold a battery or just the ignition coil? Also is the muffler just a drilled pipe cap, or something more elaborate? Also I have a Harley-Davidson stationary engine, Model G515, s/n 810. Can anyone tell me about this engine, age, etc. Robert A. Johnson, RR 2, Box 358, Canyon, TX 79015.

A. The Reflector is no help at all on either of Mr. Johnson's questions, but perhaps one of our readers can supply some information.

21/5/15 Q. We are looking for more information on Eagle tractors from Eagle Mfg. Co. Appleton, Wisconsin. Could owners of Eagle tractors or equipment kindly send us serial numbers and other data of their equipment. We have some literature but lack anything on the 22-45 Model H and have little on the later 6-cylinder models. Any literature, photocopies, etc. will be appreciated, and we will of course pay for postage and copying charges. Eagle tractors are well known in many parts of Canada. Thanks for your help. Rick Mannen, Box 62, Lynden, Ontario L0R 1T0 Canada.

21/5/16 Q. I have a Case CO tractor, s/n C305359 and need to know the proper color. My grandad is helping me. Also would like to know the year and other information. Jeff Chattin, Box 374, Lebanon, GA 30146.

A. Jeff is 13 years old, so he is getting an early start at our hobby. With all the talk about helping the young folks taking up the hobby, the Reflector begs you to give this young collector a helping hand!

21/5/17 Larry Hochstein, Box 155, Wynot, NE 68792 would like to 'beg, buy, borrow or steal' a copy of the Instruction Manual for the Standard Gasoline Engine as built by Standard Separator Co., Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Also needed is information on a Standard without the three threaded holes for attaching the separator, nor does it have a magneto or bracket. In addition, this one has the fuel tank mounted above the carburetor, instead of the usual arrangement of the tank beneath the carb. Does anyone have a tracing of the fancy decals used on the base of the Standard?

21/5/18 Q. Joe B. Dill, RR 1, Box 26, Lascassas, TN 37085 reports that he received an excellent response on last fall's inquiry about a warehouse scale. Mr. Dill would like to know the proper colors  for a Deering Ideal mower built from 1893 to 1911 (not the New Ideal). Proper paint scheme is also desired for the McCormick-Deering No. 7 mower built from 1929 to 1939, and the No. 9 mower, built from 1939 to 1951.

A. We somehow recall that the Ideal used a combination of the old ivory enamel, something of a cross between white and yellow, for the mainframe, and IHC blue for the wheels. We can't guarantee this, since we have no original color literature on it. The No. 7 we believe used a similar combination, as we had one about 40 years ago. Now the No. 9 mower was all redas a kid I helped my dad assemble two of them. He bought them at a bargain price from an IH dealer in the early 1950'sthe catch was that they were both in bundles as shipped from the factory. Mr. Dill also asked about identification of an engine, but without a photograph we are unable to give any precise details.

21/5/19 Q. What is the proper color for an Ideal lawn mower engine, 1924 model? Richard Rucker, 5010 W. New World Dr., Glendale, AZ 85302.

A. We believe them to be red, but do not have a comparable color match at this time.

21/5/20 Q. On page 558 of American Gas Engines the center illustration of a Witte engine shows a tee in the line just above the carburetor. What is the purpose of the pipe rising from this tee? Freddy Anderson, RR, Box 9020, Spirit Lake, IA 51360.

A. This is a riser vent for the fuel system. The riser stands fully as high as the fuel tank, permitting air bubbles to be disposed to the atmosphere.

21/5/21 Q. What is the year built for the following IHC engines:

Type M, McCormick-Deering, S/N CW2483, 6 HP

McCormick-Deering LA, S/N LA2560

Also what is the proper color of the flywheel and skids for the LA engine? Richard Ste. Marie, 48 Georges, Candiac, P. Q., J5R 3W6 Canada.

A. The 6 HP engine is a 1926 model; the LA was built in 1935, the second full year of production. We believe the LA of this vintage had the face of the flywheel painted gray, and possibly a few used IHC blue. The skids were, to our knowledge, painted red.

21/5/22 Q. Last year I purchased a 1941 IH/McCormick I-6 tractor. It is now completely restored, but I have a serious problem and fear my entire effort (and money) may be wasted for lack of a part. The hydraulic brake system uses a slave cylinder with Wagner-Lockheed number F.D. 6020. The main piston is 1 inches in diameter, and the smaller one inch diameter. No one here in England has been able to help me, and the cylinder is beyond repair with frost cracks. Welding has yielded numerous hairline cracks. If anyone has any ideas or hope at all I will furnish you engineers full size drawings of all the parts that make up the cylinder. I do hope you can help me. J. L. Thomas, 5 Minett Avenue, Rushwick, Worcester WR2 5TQ England.

A. Surely someone among our American readers can dig up the parts Mr. Thomas needs so desperately, or can suggest how he might get out of this fix. Good Luck, Mr. Thomas! (See page 28 of our April 1986 issue for more details.)

21/5/23 Q. M. D. Penrod, 103 S. 5th St., Indiana, PA 15701 sends a photo, asking for information on this engine. It was out of a railway maintenance car, and has no casting numbers on the engine. (See below photo.)

21/5/24From Dan Porter, 1021 Churchill Dr., Norton, KS 67654 comes a refreshing letter. Mr. Porter is but 19 years old, yet he has been intensely interested in old tractors for several years. Recently he acquired a Sears New Economy Tractor, originally priced at $495. Thus far the only information to surface has been a page from a Sears-Roebuck catalog. It indicates that the tractor used a Ford Model A engine and transmission, 'rebuilt by Sears to exacting specifications.' The catalog data also indicates that the tractor was 'Shipped from a factory near LaSalle, Illinois. Anyone with any information on this tractor, kindly contact Mr. Porter. The Reflector would likewise be interested in hearing more about this one!

21/5/25 Q. I have a Delco light plant that runs well, except I am unable to make it produce electricity. Would like information more detailed than that in the usual instruction manual. Need to know more about troubleshooting the generator, testing for short circuits, etc. Ron Franz, RR 5, Box 357, Dothan, AL 36301.

A. As an electrician by trade, the Reflector has some ideas of what might be wrong, but explaining all of them in the column takes far more space than we have. Our files have a lot of instruction manuals, but not the type of information you need. Hopefully one of our readers might have a detailed Delco Service Manual as might have been supplied to dealers. Since the generator has been out of service for some time, it may be necessary to 'flash' it so as to regain the residual magnetism before it can start building voltage on its own. The Reflector cannot at this time even recommend a reprint book that would contain the information you need.

21/5/26 Q. Of my three 8-cycle Aermotor pump engines, two of them, s/n's 'CROOM' and '920R' have single-weight governors in the flywheel, and oil-lubricated main bearings. The third engine, s/n 'AUMIM' has a two-weight governor mounted on the crankshaft and grease-lubricated main bearings. I understand the 'newer' style fluted hopper Aermotor has a typical two-weight flywheel governor. Which of the three 8-cycle engines is the old style, and which is the new style? Can you advise on the proper color for these engines? Clark W. Colby, RD 1, Box 199A, Greensburg, PA 15601.

A. Having never owned either an Aermotor engine, nor having possessed anything but the tiniest amount of literature on this line, we leave this answer to those who can offer the needed assistance.

21/5/27 Q. Can anyone identify this engine? (See the photos, 21/5/27a and b) It is of four-cycle design with one overhead rocker arm, a flywheel on each side, and somewhat resembles a Briggs & Stratton, at least insofar as the fan cowling is concerned. Pete Patek, 9326 Hwy 42, Two Rivers, WI 54241.

A. This engine is not illustrated in American Gas Engines, and to our way of thinking has some resemblance to the Lauson, but we're not sure of that either. Can someone help out?

21/5/28 Q. In the Webster magneto shop manual for 1936, magneto bracket 303M41 is listed as fitting the 1 Hp IHC Famous and Titan engines. Would this be the 1 Hp Titan hopper cooled model? Has anyone seen an engine thus equipped?

Webster bracket 303M39 appears with six variations to fit the 1 to 6 HP IHC Type M engines. Since these engines had igniters equipped with gear-driven magnetos, doesn't it seem odd that Webster would have seen enough demand for this unit?

The Webster Shop Manual also lists the 303K5 bracket for the 2 HP horizontal style, the 303K46B bracket for the 4 Hp horizontal, and the 303K20A for the 3 HP vertical Famous engine. In addition, the 1918 Titan parts book shows that the 2 HP used a 303J5 bracket, the 4 HP Famous horizontal took the 303J4 bracket, and the 2, 3, and 5  Hp vertical Famous engines used the 303J2 bracket. I would like to hear from anyone who might be able to send photos or other information on IHC engines equipped with Webster magnetos. Leroy A. Baumgardner Jr., 1710 Hanover Pike, Littlestown, PA 17340.

A. It would appear that at least some IHC engines, even some Type engines were retrofitted in the field with the Webster ignition system. Otherwise it would seem that Webster would never have developed the necessary brackets for the purpose. To what extent this occurred we do not know, but perhaps some of our readers might have such an engine, and be pleasantly surprised to know that this was a genuine changeover instead of a homemade conversion.

21/5/29 Q. We need information on a Beaver tractor built by Rock Island Plow Company. Also need information on rebuilding the friction flywheel and contact wheels on Beaver and Heider tractors. Roger Beaver, RR 1, Box 73, Rolette, ND 58366.

A.We can't tell you anything about the Beaver tractor as such, but perhaps one of our readers can enlighten us. Rebuilding the friction pulleys is nicely accomplished by sawing out untempered Masonite on a band saw. After cutting out enough to fill the wheel, reassemble it and set it up on a lathe to get it to proper size. This material works quite well, but the usual tempered variety is too hard and takes a gloss after a short time, making it very difficult to hold slippage down to an acceptable level.

21/5/30JOHN DEERE TRACTOR COLLECTORS, PLEASE NOTE: A group of interested collectors from the Waterloo, Iowa area, including Agricultural History Productions of Grundy Center, Iowa have taken over the John Deere Two-Cylinder Club. This is just as it was worded in the last newsletter. The new address is: Two-Cylinder Club Box 2275 Waterloo, Iowa 50704

21/5/31 Q. Will the OHV engine in the Massey-Harris 4-wheel-drive tractor interchange with any other Massey-Harris engine? Is the head and other parts the same? Will the radiator, hood, drawbar, etc fit from the flat-head model to the OHV model, or will any other M-H radiator fit the 4-Wheel-Drive tractor? Dalbert Johnson, 3461 Maple Grove Road, Duluth, MN 55811.

A. It will take a Massey-Harris expert to answer Mr. Johnson's questions the Reflector has no parts books at all to make the necessary comparisons.

21/5/32Dale Boss, 7195 Colony Rd., LaMesa, CA 92041 forwards a couple of photos illustrating an unusual little engine-generator outfit. This one uses a 234' bore and stroke, an air shroud similar to Kohler, but an intake and exhaust manifold similar to Wisconsin Motors. Can someone identify this engine?

21/5/33 Q. Al Eback, 1649 2nd Ave E., Dickinson, ND 58601 needs information on a Fairbanks-Morse 1 HP Style Z engine.

A. The engines were finished in a deep green comparable to DuPont Dulux 93-72001. Reprint instruction manuals for this engine are available from several GEM advertisers.

21/5/34 Q. I have an Ottawa 16 HP engine, and am having trouble understanding the carburetor system. In American Gas Engines, page 365 you note that the 1915 models could be purchased to run on gasoline, kerosene, or gas. My engine closely resembles the one picture. Did Ottawa offer three different carburetor systems, or was there a single carburetor used for all three fuels. My engine has a separate chamber in the carburetor for starting gasoline, plus an air preheater under the carburetor. Complicating the problem, it is a hit-and-miss engine kerosene engines are usually volume governed. Any information, manuals, etc. will be appreciated. Don Batten, Rt. 8, Box 111, Gainesville, GA 30501.

A. Quite possibly this engine was later refitted as a hit-and-miss style, using the same carburetor, but running on gasoline instead of kerosene. When this engine was built, dual-fuel carburetors were not commonly found, especially where the conversion was from gas to gasoline and vice-versa. Likewise, hit-and-miss engines were not at all suited to kerosene fuel, since it was impossible to maintain the higher cylinder temperature required for successful and continuous operation. Just maybe someone has an original manual for this engine that they might photocopy for you.

21/5/35 Q. Wayne Walker Jr., RR 1, Box 98A, Onaga, KS 66521 forwards a photo for an engine base, but is not sure of the builder. Could this be for a Kansas City Lightning 4 HP model? Would like to hear from anyone who can identify it, and from this we might be able to start looking for the rest of the parts.

21/5/36 Q. John Niedzialkowski, 8111 Wheat-land Road, Burlington, WI 53105 poses the following questions: 1)  What is meant by a headless engine? 2)  What is a vacuum engine? 3)  What is a flame licker?

A. 1) Headless generally refers to engines with the cylinder and head cast in one pieceperhaps integral head might be a better term.

2) Vacuum engine refers usually to a combination engine-vacuum pump operating within the same cylinder. Best known is the Taylor Vacuum engine designed especially to provide the necessary vacuum for milking machines.

3)  Flame licker engines are more precisely atmospheric engines utilizing an open flame near the cylinder intake. The advertised models in various magazines either as kits or turnkey models display some interesting aspects of thermodynamics but never achieved any significance as a source of power. Flame licker engines of a century ago referred to the open-flame ignition originally used by Otto and others. Of all ignition styles, it was probably the most troublesome and unreliable.


John Deere L Tractors John Rasmussen, 6750 Rattalee Lake Road, Clarkston, MI 48016 writes that he has a number of the unstyled Model L Deere tractors, and has had good success in restoring them. He is willing to help other collectors by trying to answer their questions. (Thanks Mr. Rasmussen for your offer to help. It goes without saying that writers will enclose an SASE). Ed.

21/3/26Ottawa Engines Paul E. Smith, RD 1, Box 81, Richfield, PA 17086 writes that he has an Ottawa engine that is green rather than red, and was able to match it to Sherwin-Williams F1G-622 (JX-JU) 7111 green.

Note: The Reflector failed to state in the above column that at some point (we don't know when) Ottawa did in fact change over from red to green. We thank Mr. Smith for calling it to our attention and for sending us the proper color match.

21/3/16Finding Decals Sam Terrell, 2970 Terrell Rd., New Vienna, OH 45159 notes that many implement dealers are able to obtain old stock decals for tractors from company warehouse stocks. Mr. Terrell also asks whether there is a connection with the Sun-Power Engine Co. and Nelson Bros.?

Buda Engine Parts Several people wrote in on this question, and the suggestion was offered that Surplus Tractor Parts Corp., Box 2125, Fargo, ND 58107 might still have some parts on hand. In addition, the 4-cylinder and 6-cylinder Buda engines were used in Co-op tractors, Cockshutt models, and various other applications. Thus, it might take some work, but we would guess that at least some Buda parts, new or used, are still around.

Also regarding Buda engines, P. H. Heisey, 834 Gallup Road, Spencerport, NY 14559 writes that he has an extensive notebook of operating Coop and Cockshutt tractors, as well as a list of parts tractors. Also, Mr. Heisey has an extensive collection of operators, parts, and service manuals for the above. The NAPA stores can get many of the major parts, and Peninsula Farm Supply at Wellandport, Ontario can supply many parts, and they know of other old Canadian dealers. The Co-op E-3 used the 4-153 Buda engine, and the E-4 carried the 6-230 Buda engine. Allis-Chalmers WD-45 Diesel engines are the same as the Buda CK-40 Diesel.

21/3/15Lauson engine Several letters came in on this engine, identifying it positively as a Lauson UA series, either the UA800, 2-3 HP, or the UAS800, 2.8-4.3 HP model. These engines were built between 1932 and 1936.

21/2/16 Neward engine H. Penny, 25 Rand Road, Villa Park, IL 60181 kindly forwards a photo of his restored Neward engine. The color match is DuPont Centari 4737AM, Ford Candy Apple Red.

Old Engine LiteratureFrom time to time we receive some nice literature which we can use for stand alone articles or for research. We were pleasantly surprised a few weeks back to receive some excellent literature on the Tuerk engine built by Berlin Gasoline Engine & Thresher Co., Berlin, Ontario, and the London engine built by London Gas Power Ltd., London, Ontario. For these items we thank Mr. Alex M. Edgar, Ayr, Ontario, Canada.

In closing this issue, we sincerely apologize for having to edit your letters in some instances, but at this point we are at 22 typewritten pages of copy, so we have little choice. The Reflector, as well as the folks at Stem-gas, really appreciate your letters and your continued support.


Dirty fuel can cause endless problems with vintage engines. Occasionally when cast iron tanks are used, it is almost impossible to get them absolutely clean. Pieces of rust get under the check balls or in the fuel line, causing no end of trouble. We have no problem at all in using modern technology in these situations, and have equipped several of our engines with ordinary glass sediment bowls, suitably concealed so as not to spoil the outward appearance of the engine.

Fuel pumps are another problem. If the plunger is worn or fluted, carefully ream the barrel if out of round, then make a new plunger to fit. The check balls often are rusty and pitted. Throw these away and put in new checks (from a selection of old bearing balls). If the seat is worn slightly, reseat it by dropping a bearing ball down the hole. Then take a piece of tubing, such as 1/8 inch pipe, seat it firmly over the ball and give it a smart blow or two with a hammer. Teflon string packing is ideal for repacking the gland nut on fuel pumps, since it is impervious to gasoline. It is available at many hardware stores and supply houses.