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A Brief Word

We are writing this copy in early November, and of course by the time you see it, we will be approaching Christmas. For us 'flatlanders' out here in Ioway, that means we are in the season for cold weather, snow and ice. This year, ye olde Reflector finally smartened up a little. We decided which engines we want to work on this winter, and already have them in the shop. That makes a lot more sense than trying to move them in the snow and cold! In fact, we've got several choices this winter - a nice 6 HP ZC Fairbanks with generator flywheels, a 5 HP Hallett diesel (fairly scarce), and a beautiful 6 HP Lister diesel. Then there's a Bamford 6 HP diesel, just in case we run out of things to do.

We acquired the Hallett a few years ago. This engine never did a day's work and is in pristine condition. We look forward to mounting it on trucks and getting it ready to show. The Lister needs only minor work prior to repainting, etc. A few years ago it got a new sleeve and piston, along with some other work, so it runs very nicely. Oh yeah, then there's the Model 31 Linotype we just bought. A few of you are familiar with these machines, and most of you know by now that ye olde Reflector is also into old-time letterpress printing. Anyway, we bought the Model 31 really cheap, but the poor thing has sat for years and has lots of rust, crud and bird manure (plus even a few feathers), so it will be an interesting challenge getting it back into condition. That should be more than enough to keep us busy during the cold winter months!

Plans still keep moving forward on a tour to Germany and Switzerland for next July (see our advertisement elsewhere in this issue). We've already made some changes that will enhance the tour, and hopefully some of you folks will be inclined to board an aircraft once again. We're even hoping to include one of those 'Knight's Dinners' that go back to ancient times. There are no forks - you eat with your hands just like they did in the Middle Ages! We realize that has nothing at all to do with engines and/or tractors, but it seems like a fun thing to do, if only once.

Our first inquiry this month is:

37/1/1:Foos Mfg. Company Q: See the photos of a Scientific engine from The Foos Mfg. Co., Springfield, Ohio. It is style 300, size 10. I have been told that neither Foos Mfg. Co. nor the Foos Gasoline Engine Co. actually built this engine, but that perhaps it was built by Bauroth. There are missing parts, but I have restored the engine to run with a spark plug. If anyone can provide any information about this engine, I would like to hear from them. Also, I would like to hear from any other owners of the Scientific engines. You may write to me, but since I am totally blind I would prefer if I could talk to you. You can call me at (845) 855-9026. Tim Casson, 63 River Road, Pawling, NY 12564

A: We've never found much information on Bauroth, but this could be a possibility. Foos Mfg. Co. was established in 1878. A 1905 listing indicates that Scientific feed mills and other machinery was available from this firm. However, a very poor illustration shows a vertical engine. Can anyone supply further information on the engine shown here?

37/1/2:Stover Engine Q: I have been a shade-tree mechanic all my life and enjoy restoring antique cars. Recently, I acquired a Stover 2-1/2 HP hit-and-miss engine and have it running. I would like to know the color scheme for this engine. Bob Wolf, 30 Highland Woods Blvd., Highland Mills, NY 10930. E-mail:

A: Early Stover engines prior to s/n 80000 are red, comparable to DuPont 34423 or 2564 Red. After that they were a dark muddy green, DuPont 2015. The latest CT engines were green comparable to DuPont GS188.

37/1/3:Spence Smith Engine? Q: See the photos of an engine for which we would like to find more information. On both sides of the base is cast: Spence Smith Kootz, Parkersburg, West Virginia. It was set up to run on propane. Can anyone give any information on this engine? Elmer Fry, 2102 Cabintown Rd., Bloomington, IL 61701.

37/1/4: Lauson Engine Questions Kevin McWhorter, 32391 Olympia Rd., Minier, IL 61759 has a 3-1/2 HP Lauson from John Lauson Co., New Holstein, Wis. It is s/n WB62383. He would like to know the correct color and when it was built. This engine has solid flywheels. Another Lauson, this one 4-1/2 HP, has s/n 8194 and is Type F, Size AC. The same information is needed for this engine. Kevin would also like to know the meaning of the Type and Size codes. We have no information on Lauson paint colors or striping arrangement, and we don't believe that any serial number information exists. Can anyone be of help?

37/1/5: Associated Engines Q: I am 13 years old and need some help. I have a 2 HP Associated engine and would like to know what year it was made and what specific style it is. I would also like to know the color scheme. I have run into others who don't know the year or style of Associated engines, and I wonder if there is an Associated registry. In time I will complete a book of existing engines and make this available to anyone wishing a copy. If interested, send me the year, serial number, HP, style and a picture (if possible) to: Courtney Bell, 20470 S. Sprague Rd., Oregon City, OR 97045.

A: Associated engines are red, comparable to DuPont 2622. The cylinder and head are painted silver. This was probably done to help radiate the heat. We're not too sure this was effective, but the combination makes for a very attractive engine. So far as style is concerned, Associated was not too keen on these things. Engines were generally water-cooled, plus a very few air-cooled styles.

37/1/6: A Few Questions Frank Kuehl, 724 Congress St., Neenah, WI 54956 asks if anyone still makes nameplates of the old style with raised letters, raised border, and filled in with a black background. Also, see the pictures of a device from Schaeffer & Budenberg Company of New York. I have been told that it was used to set the valves on large stationary steam engines. Any information on either of these questions would be greatly appreciated, especially as concerns the photographs and as to how this device was used.

37/1/7: Question Answered In the June 2001 GEM (36/6/7) I inquired about a small tractor. Thanks to all those who have responded. By sheer luck, a tractor like mine was found in Louisiana and the new owner was kind enough to share his information and operator's manual. We now understand that these tractors were built by the U.S. government for shipment overseas. The service manual notes that this tractor is a Model USF built by United Steel Fabricators of Orville, Ohio. However, USF was a subsidiary of Crown Steel Co. of Wooster, Ohio. This company is still in business, and Jim Scott at the firm was able to share information and photos on the tractor.

These tractors were originally designed and built by Tiger Tractor Co. in Grafton, W.V. Tiger Tractor was bought out by USF and merged with Crown Steel. Only about 250 of these tractors were built, along with many different implements such as sickle mowers, belly mowers, push blades and the like. If anyone has any information on the Tiger tractor, USF, Crown Steel, or knows of any of the implements, I would like to hear from you. Joe Guidry, 3543 Joan St., Lake Charles, LA 70605-1109.

37/1/8: Unknown Engine Norman Merrill, 5220 Rocky Ridge Rd., Placerville, CA 95667, sends two photos of an unknown engine. Someone told me it was a One Minute Engine as shown on page 363 of American Gas Engines. It is close, but my engine is 4-cycle with a cam that operates the intake and exhaust valves. There is also a teardrop cam that operates the ignition. A s/n of 562 is stamped on the engine, but there are no other identifying marks. If you can be of help, contact Norman at the address listed at the beginning of this post.

37/1/9: Log Splitter Q: See the photos of a D.A. Green log splitter. I would like to find any information I can use on this piece, and would like to hear from anyone who might be able to help. R. L. Hullfish, 15 Cold Soil Rd., Lawrenceville, NJ 08648.

A: We have no information at all on this company, but we know that several firms built log splitters of similar design. Somehow or other we have the feeling that these machines were more than a little dangerous to use.

37/1/10: Hercules/Log Splitter Q: I have a Hercules 12 HP engine that was converted into a. log splitter. They threw away the head, the water hopper and all the valve gear. The tag reads: Champion; Mfd. For Lininger Implement Co., Omaha, Nebraska. Can you provide any information on Lininger? Kevin O. Pulver, 401 S. Smith, Keresaw, NE 68956.

A:Lininger was a major Midwestern distributor of farm implements. They handled many different products and numerous makes of everything from buggies to threshing machines. Large jobbing houses like Lininger oftentimes ordered a batch of engines, for instance, and perhaps even had them finished in a color different than the Hercules you note in your letter. Then they attached their own nameplate. This not only was free advertising, but also provided a linkage when repair parts were needed. It's a shame that so many of the parts were thrown away!

37/1/11: Wisconsin Engines Frank Weber, 10600 SE 52nd, Milwaukie, OR 97222 sends a photo of a recently acquired Wisconsin 4-cylinder inline, air-cooled engine. It is Model AM4, s/n 103434. He is looking for any service information on this engine, or anything showing applications for it. Frank reports that this engine came with a clutch and a tall air-intake tower. If you can be of any help, it would certainly be appreciated.

A Closing Word

We're very pleased that so many of you sent photos along with your inquiries. That is always very helpful to our readers. Sometimes one can get a clue from looking at a photo much easier than from our sometimes stilted verbiage in trying to explain something. We look forward to your queries. We're always happy to help when we can, or at least pass the question along so that someone in engine land can be of help.

You'll get this copy in early December, just in time for us to wish each of you a Joyous Christmas Season and a Happy New Year. Meanwhile, we have to get busy setting the type and printing our annual Christmas card. It's always fun to do this, but for some reason, we always put it off until the last minute. We'll see you next month!

C.H. Wendel is a noted authority on antique engines and tractors. His books constitute a vital reference resource for collectors and hobbyists. If you have a question for C.H. Wendel, send it along to Gas Engine Magazine, 1503 SW 42nd St., Topeka, KS 66609-1265.