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Greetings to each and all of you for the holiday season, and our very special wishes to everyone for a healthy, wealthy, and prosperous 1993! We meet many thousands of you every year, and we wish we could give you our best wishes in person. Since that's impossible, we give you our best with the printed word.

At the very top of our column this month comes some exciting news regarding the GEM-sponsored tour to England for 1993. While we assume there will be further details elsewhere in this issue, here are some highlights:

The tour will be handled by Wade Farm Tours from England. This group has handled numerous tours of our British cousins to various shows here in the United States. We believe that this firm has an excellent reputation and have heard nothing but excellent reports. Wade Farm Tours has the distinct advantage of knowing the English countryside and knowing where and when the various activities and interesting sights might be.

The tour will leave June 19, 1993 from Chicago, via British Airways. (There may also be an alternate departure from Philadelphia). Upon arriving in London, we will be met by a courier from Wade Farm Tours, and from there we will depart to the areas of Hampshire and Winchester, where we will stay at the Royal Hotel. Winchester is famous for the longest cathedral in Europe, started by William the Conqueror in 1079.

After about three days in the Winchester area we will leave for Bristol for a couple of days. Then it's on to Chester. On Saturday, June 26 we'll visit the Tatton Park 1000 Engine Rally (Show). This show is set on the grounds of a magnificent neoclassical mansion. On Sunday we'll go to North Wales.

Monday, June 28 we'll be going to Sheffield and Norfolk, visiting several museums and other points of interest along the way. Bloom's Steam Engine Museum and the Imperial War Museum will be in our view, and by July 1 we'll be headed to London. On Saturday July 3rd we'll transfer to Heathrow Airport for a return flight on Saturday afternoon. We'll arrive back at Chicago at 4:35 p.m. the same day (due to the time change).

We'll have the advantage of a tour guide with vast experience in our hobby, and this undoubtedly will make the trip very interesting. For anyone interested, this surely should be a memorable journey!

Thus far the response has been tremendous! Folks, note this well... if you are interested in going on this trip, see further details in this issue regarding prices, tour reservations, and so forth. Due to a lack of communication, we're not sure we have all the response letters' sent in for the tour survey. So, if you previously indicated your interest, and you don't get a tour brochure, don't wait for it ... write or call for one from the GEM office at 717-392-0733.

Folks, it looks like you'll have to put up with ye olde Reflector for a couple of weeks, since I'll be one of your tour hosts. Seriously, I'm looking forward to it immensely, not only for the tour, but also to meeting with and visiting everyone on the tour. We also have it on good authority that George Dammann, the erstwhile owner of Crestline Publishing, will be on the tour. George is a very personable man who also happens to be one of the world's leading experts on automotive history, and continues as the editor of the Crestline Agricultural Series, now published by Motor books.

The bottom line is that here's a two-week tour to England with a base price under $2,000. It's an opportunity to see a lot of equipment we can never see here in the U.S., and chances are that we'll all have a very enjoyable time. So, get your passport if you don't have one, and watch GEM for preliminary and final details. We hope to see many of you on the tour!

Our queries this month begin with:

28/1/1 Flinchbaugh Mfg. Company Q. I have a catalog from Flinchbaugh which shows nine models of their York tractor. My father owned one of these tractors and have a few parts from one which was a two-cycle of 12-22 horsepower. The engine had two large flywheels and was reversible so that it was practical to run the tractor in high gear, but in reverse. Does anyone have any information as to what happened to this line of tractors or the Flinchbaugh Company? Clarence Rulong, RD 3, Box 112, Moundsville. WV 26041-9508.

A. Can anyone help Mr. Rulong?

28/? Klamath Sea Twin Q. A friend of mine has a Klamath Sea Twin 10 HP marine engine of the mid 1950s. It needs an overhaul, but we are unable to locate anyone who has a line on parts or has the capability to overhaul this engine. Any help would be appreciated. Roger B. Robinson, 14 Darlington Road, New Castle, DE 19720.

A. If you can be of help, please contact Mr. Robinson directly.

28/1/3 Massey-Harris Type 2 Francis Kurtis, 646 Anderson Rd., Niles, MI 49120 needs information on a 3 horsepower model. He would appreciate hearing from anyone who can help.

28/1/4 Information Needed Q. Can anyone supply service information on a Taylor engine, no. 247144, 1? E HP; also on an engine, No. 375673, 2? S horsepower. There is no name on this one. Any information will be appreciated. Clifford E. Pollock, Box 122, 7C Catherine St., Gansevoort, NY 12831.

A. From the alphabetical suffix behind the serial number of each engine, we suspect that these might have been built by Hercules. Without a photograph, it is difficult to tell.

28/1/5 Thanks! Thank you to George P. Latchford Jr., 44 Catherine St., East Northport, NY 11731 for sending along some information on the Ireland Mill & Supply Company, manufacturers of sawmills.

28/1/6 Ideal and Jacobsen Q. I have two small lawn mower engines for which I need information. Both are air-cooled.

One is an Ideal, Model V, 4-cycle, vertical, s/n I-137633. It has an atmospheric intake valve on top of the head. The exhaust valve is in the cylinder and is operated by an adjustable lifter from an internal cam. The engine uses a belt-driven fan. The magneto back plate has part no. F944 and the front cover/flywheel has part no. F945.

The other engine is a Jacobsen upright, s/n J-147939. It is also four-cycle. There are no tags or identification plates, but I have been told it's a Jacobsen. This engine has a magneto backplate with part no. 1036 and a front cover/flywheel part no. 1017. The magnetos of both engines are very similar but not interchangeable.

My questions on the above engines: Can anyone tell me the year built, original colors and horsepower? Can anyone furnish copies of operator's manuals or other information on these engines, and also the correct type of carburetor for the Ideal? I think the carburetor is mounted using a ? inch pipe as a manifold, but it is missing. Can anyone identify the manufacturer of the magnetos by the numbers given, and possibly furnish service information on same? 1 will be extremely appreciative of any help rendered on the above inquiry.

I also have an Edwards gas engine as shown on page 145 of American Gas Engines. I need service and operating information on this engine, also the correct colors. James N. Oster,4 Julia Ave., Chicopee, MA 01020.

28/1/7 Fairbanks-Morse Q. See the two photos of a Fairbanks-Morse engine, s/n 78254. I also have a Fairbanks-Morse engine, s/n 231878. Can you tell me when these engines were built? John Harms, RR 1, Box 31, Steamboat Rock, IA 50672-9713.

A. We have no information on the illustrated engine, but the second one was built in 1917.

28/1/8 Farmall Regular Q. I am trying to restore a 1928 International Harvester Regular model, and am looking for suppliers of new and used parts. Does anyone know who can supply gaskets and other parts? Gary J. Banuk, 324 Holmes St., Hanson, MA 02341

28/1/9 Polished Flywheels? Q. Can you tell me whether gas engines were originally supplied with polished flywheels, or is this an example of over-restoration? How can one bring them to such a high polish? How are they maintained? Peter L. Cunningham, 27 Braemount Drive, Halifax, NS B3M 3P3 Canada.

A. We believe that originally the flywheel rims were left unpainted in some cases, and the final lathe cut, if skillfully done, left a very bright surface. Engine operators or engineers tried to keep the machinery under their care in meticulous condition. Thus they spent a lot of time on the brass and other bright parts, including the flywheel rims. This was fine for engines located in a heated room. However, outside, where the effects of moisture soon did their work in rusting the rims, the idea of polished rims quickly faded. Thus, farm engines generally had painted rims.

28/1/10 Information Needed Q. What is the correct paint color and trim information for the following: Cletrac W-12 and 1935 Twin City KTA? Also, I have an old horsedrawn road grader. On each casting is the letter M, cast inside a raised border with rounded comers. Can anyone identify these casting marks? Any help will be appreciated. Bob Lockwood, 527 Vista Ln., Bayfield, CO 81122.

A. We have Martin-Senour 90T-3728 or Ditzler 60583 listed as Cletrac Orange. We do not have an exact match for the gray as used on the KTA tractor. Can anyone suggest the make of the grader from the casting mark noted above?

28/1/11 Sterling Engine Q. I need information on the Sterling engine that was used on the Lombard Log Haulers made in Waterville, Maine. Is Sterling still in business? I need specs on the engine and a possible source of parts. William H. Atwood, 427 Center St., Salamanca, NY 14779.

A. Can anyone advise on Sterling?

28/1/12 Gray Marine Engine Q. I recently acquired a vertical Gray marine engine made by the Gray Marine Motor Company of Detroit, Michigan. The engine does not appear in American Gas Engines. This four-cycle design uses overhead intake and exhaust valves, and is pushrod actuated. There is a simple ball bearing thrust on the crankshaft end opposite the flywheel. A float-operated oil level gauge and a water pump are on the end of the camshaft. Can anyone tell me the approximate age of this engine, horsepower, original colors, and the like? Any help will be appreciated. Steve Parsons, 139 Corriea Rd., Sequim, WA 98382.

28/1/13 Stover and Fairbanks Q. See the two photos of a 1929 Stover CT-1 engine. It has a top cover over the crank, plus a back cover which I have not seen before. Can anyone tell me how many were made like this? I also have a 1919 Fairbanks-Morse 1? HP Model Z with a Plugoscillator (photo 28/1/13C). Can anyone tell me how many of these were made? Byron Boike, 2280 Co Rd #5 SW, Willmar, MN 56201.

A. Possibly with the serial number of the Stover we could learn something from the production records, but we can't say that we've ever seen a CT-1 thus equipped. It would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to determine how many CT-1 engines were built thusly. Regarding the Fairbanks-Morse engine, there are no records at the company regarding the Type Z engines. These were shipped away years ago when Z production went somewhere in Mexico. We understand that since that time, Z engine production went to Texas for a time, then back to Mexico. Even the folks at Fairbanks-Morse don't seem to know where, or even if, any Z engines are being built, or if the original records still exist. So, we think it's probably impossible to answer your question with any accuracy.

28/1/14 Canadian Fairbanks-Morse Q. I have a 1? HP Type Z engine from Canadian Fairbanks-Morse Company Ltd. with s/n C21480. When was it built? It has a slight trace of medium blue paint. Could this have been the original color? What is the correct magneto for this engine? Any advice would be appreciated. Gordon Peters, Rt 3, Box 77, Aurora, NE 68818.

A. In talking with the folks at Fairbanks-Morse, the Beloit (Wisconsin) plant has virtually no information on Canadian Fairbanks-Morse operations. Despite our own research, we can't even tell you when they quit building engines, or anything else about this operation. Perhaps some of this information is still buried somewhere, waiting to be discovered. So far that hasn't happened, and until it does, there's very little help we can offer.

28/1/15 IHC 10-20 Tractor Q. I have a 10-20 IHC tractor of 1927 vintage. Mine has every indication of having been a greenish shade of olive drab. The paint doesn't appear to be a primer, and there is no trace of gray anywhere. Would I make a mistake to restore it with this dull murky green color? John Dykstra, RR .1, Box 256, Wapello, IA 52653.

A. Occasionally we hear of IHC engines and tractors painted different colors from the ordinary, and yours presents an interesting dilemma. We all know that earlier tractors like the IHC Mogul were finished with an olive green similar to DuPont 93-29609. However, the IHC gray appears to have begun in earnest with the introduction of the McCormick Gear Drive tractors. We don't know of any reason why yours would be olive green, several years after the fact, but perhaps it was. We won't advise you what color to paint your tractor. However, we can assure you of getting a lot of attention, questions (and comments) if you paint it olive green! Have any readers come across this anomaly?

28/1/16 Moto-Mower Q. See the photos (preceding page) of my Moto-Mower, s/n S62489, engine #208503 198715 008 010. Is the engine a Briggs? My dad bought the mower used from a parks district around Chicago, Illinois in the mid 1950s. We used it until the mid 1960s. Any help in dating this mower or the engine will be greatly appreciated. William G. Power, 21435 US Hwy 50, Coptopaxi, CO 81223.

28/1/17 Ottawa Information Q. I am a student at Schenck High School and am studying Energy and Power Technology. I would like any information on a one-cylinder, 5 horsepower Ottawa drag saw engine. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Carl M. Reed Jr., 50 Spruce St., East Millinochet, ME 04430. Schenck High School.

A. If you can be of help to this student, kindly do so.

28/1/18 Farmall Cub Q. I recently saw your magazine, and wonder if you could help me. I have an interest in buying an International Cub tractor motor and wonder how I might best go about finding one. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Michael L. Dufek, 17989 Santa Rosa Rd., Perris, CA 92570.

A. You might try an ad in GEM ... we'd bet that there's an engine out there which you can acquire.

28/1/19 Unidentified Engine Q. I have an engine with the following nameplate data: 25 JK 15344, RPM 775, HP 2? - 3?.

I hear there is another number on a steel plate which is 4719. Can anyone identify this machine? What year was it built? Peter E. Peachay, 69867 S. River Rd., White Pigeon, MI 49099.

A. Without a photo or two of the engine, we can't even hazard a guess. Photographs aren't always imperative, but certainly are very helpful in making an identification. If you'll send us some photos, perhaps we can be of help.

28/?0 Moto-Mower Q. See the photo of a Jacobsen mower. Referring to the recent Landis article on 'Restoring a Moto-Mower', notice the similarity of mine to the mowers in the article. Mine obviously has had rubber wheels replacing iron ones, and has a two-cycle Jacobsen engine instead of B & S. On mine the trailer and seat are missing but has the attachment location.

I am wondering if the mower's parts could have been made by the same manufacturer and if anyone can tell me how to time this Briggs. I can get it to pop now and then but never kick over enough to run. I have been all through the engine and everything seems to be in good shape. I would also like to know when this unit was built. I'm guessing between 1910 and 1918. Glenn W. McMaster, McMaster's Repair, 1407 W. Elm, Lodi, CA 95240.

28/?1 Pioneers of Construction Q. It is my understanding that you wrote a book with the above title, and I would like to locate a copy. Can you tell me where I can locate this book? Anthony Ditchkus, S & E Contractors Inc., 14561 -58th Street North, Clearwater, FL 34620.

A. We haven't written a book with this title, nor have we heard of it previously. However, it sounds like it might be an interesting book, so we too would like to know more about this title. Can anyone advise?

28/?2 Chief Garden Tractor Q. See the photo of a 1938 Chief garden tractor that I restored this past winter. I wish to thank Roger Wright of Vienna, Ohio, and Steve Burk of Madison, Ohio, for the information they supplied. The motor is an Ultrimotor 1-4 HP, 4-cycle, built by Uebelhofer Bros. of Buffalo, New York. Are there any more of these engines out there? Joseph Murphy, Newport, NY 13416.

28/?3 Schramm Engine Q. I recently acquired a Schramm engine with a three-piston gear-driven pump. The engine is 3 HP, s/n 30083. Any information on this engine, including the correct color, will be greatly appreciated. R. L. DeJager, 4614 NE Clark Dr., Madras, OR 97741.

28/?4 Fuller & Johnson Q. See this photo of a 1923 Fuller & Johnson Type N, 2? HP, s/n 84680. It was shipped 11/5/1923 to Coldwell Lawnmower Co., Newburgh, New York. There is no pulley on this engine, but there are two large sprockets on it, and there is no allowance for the regular F & J gas tank. If anyone has a picture of one of these lawn mowers and/or some history on Coldwell, please write to me. Thanks! Randy Ackley, 21321 County X, Cadott, WI 54727.

28/?5 Unidentified Engine Q. I took my son to the California Gold Country last summer to a place called Roaring Camp, near the town of Jackson. The camp is located at the bottom of a canyon and people still come from all over the world to search for gold in and around the river that runs through the camp. An 'old-timer' gives tours and explains how the one-lunger in the pictures near the gold ore cart used to run the pump in the foreground to pump water from the river to the sluice box. He'd like to restore it but doesn't know what make it is. The s/n is 6771. Any ideas? Bob Mellin, 11 Library Place, San Anselmo, CA 94960.

A. The engine was made by Hercules. It looks to be reasonably complete. Perhaps some engine enthusiasts in the general area might be of assistance in bringing it back to life.