In late October the Reflector was most happy to be part of a team which removed a nice old diesel engine from a power plant for eventual installation at Midwest Old Threshers in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa. The engine is a Fairbanks-Morse vertical diesel and was installed at the electric power plant in George, Iowa in October 1924 (this was the same autumn that Calvin Coolidge and Charles G. Dawes were elected President and Vice President).
This particular engine is of three cylinder design and carries three separate external fuel pumps. The original blowtorch hot plugs have been replaced with electric heaters, and these are required for starting, since the combustion chamber design of the early verticals is somewhat different than was used on later models. Chances are that the engine will be mounted on heavy steel beams for the present time, and as budgets and other events permit, Midwest Old Threshers will no doubt give it a permanent home in the Antique Powerhouse. The engine is a gift from Iowa Electric Light & Power Company.
The Reflector is also looking forward to the World Ag Expo and the World Plowing Matches to be held at Amana, Iowa between September 7-10, 1988. Billed as 'A Celebration of Agriculture-Past, Present and Future,' the Plowing Matches will include state, national, and international matches. The agricultural trade show will include a great many new machines. Although it is a bit early to know the extent of any vintage machinery displays, there will be a certain amount of old equipment on hand. The World Ag Expo moves from one country to another, so it will be awhile until this fine show returns to the United States. For further information contact: World Ag Expo, Amana, LA 52203; phone number (319)622-3344.
This issue marks the beginning of the twenty-third volume of Gas Engine Magazine. Who'd a' thought back then that almost a quarter century later our hobby would have become so popular? The first question for the first issue of 1988 comes from:
23/1/1 Dois Snodgrass, Box 79, Route #4, Beaver Dam, KY 42320, who encloses a photo of his Standard Monarch garden tractor, s/n 409E3128. Mr. Snodgrass would appreciate knowing the year built, and the proper color scheme for same.
23/1/2 I need a color scheme for the Leader engines made by Field Force Pump Co., Elmira, NY. Jerry Heller, 9090 Anthony Hwy., Waynesboro, PA 17268.
23/1/3 Q. Would like to know the proper color and year built on: Appleton 6 HP, s/n 5527, and Seager Olds 6 HP, no s/n. Dick Edwards, 24801 55 St. NE, New London, MN 56273.
A. We know of no one having specific serial number data for Olds or Appleton.
23/1/4 Steve Elpers, RR 2, Box 152-A, Haubstadt, IN 47639, has an Eclipse engine by Myrick Machine Co., 4 HP, and s/n 1648. He would like to hear from other Myrick owners regarding color scheme and other details.
23/1/5 I have a Majestic gas engine, about 3 HP, and would like to have some idea of the fuel tank design, also the proper colors. Roger Boise, RD 1, Box 12, New Haven, VT 05472.
23/1/6 Q. What kind of mixer was used on the 1? Seager-Olds engines? The intake port has ? inch pipe threads. This particular engine seems to be somewhat different than the 1? HP models. Robert A. Johnson, RR 2, Box 358, Canyon, TX 79015.
A. So far as we know, Olds used their own fuel mixer-a peculiar blend of designs. As an alternative to a missing mixer, we would suggest using a small Lunkenheimer, or similar fuel mixer, at least until an original can be located.
23/1/7 Robert E. Clausen, RR 6, Box 299, Decatur, IL 62521, asks some interesting questions: In the 1930's or 1940's someone built a no-nonsense crawler tractor with an all-rubber track that rested in the drive wheels like a giant v-belt. I thought it was built by Oliver, but now am not sure that Oliver was the builder. My interest in this tractor was roused by the new Caterpillar tractor design with the rubber tread. Any information will be appreciated.
23/1/8 Back in November of 1986 I wrote the 'Reflections' column for information on a Lalley light plant. Thanks to the help of the column, here's the finished product which I have had out to a few shows (see photo below). Jesse A. Bandy, 406 N. High St., Paris, IL 61944.
23/1/9 Q. See the photos given below of a 1? HP Sun-Power Engine. Page 500 of American Gas Engines lists Sun-Power Engine Co.; engines were possibly built by Hap-good Plow Co., Alton, Illinois (see page 218 of American Gas Engines). Any information or response as to the actual builder of these engines will be appreciated. Keith Sczurek, RR 2, Box 177-B, Lebanon, CT 06249.
A. First of all, the engine on page 218 seems to be virtually identical to the one illustrated here. Hapgood did not build their own engines, nor did many other companies that bought engines, affixed their own tag, and sold or otherwise represented them as their own, when in fact, they weren't. More than a few of the mail order houses of the day followed this practice. A few years later, when it came time for some repair parts, the mail order house had probably gone on to some other make of engine, and no longer carried parts for the one in question. From this view point, those manufacturers who built and sold their own engines as their own had a valid argument against the practice of jobbing engines out to almost anyone who wished to hang their own name-plate on the engine and sell it as their own. Nelson Bros, apparently built engines for a great many different companies, including Sun-Power Engine Co. and Hap-good Plow Company, to name just a couple.
23/1/10 Q. I'm new to gas engines, and would like to know the year and color for an 1HC LA engine, s/n 25993. Also, I want to publicly thank Mr. Verne W. Kindschi. I wrote to him about a small Fuller & Johnson engine. He sent back some information, plus the date built, without any , advance money from me, and did not mention anything about it in his letter. Not many left like this man. I want to tell you that 1 wrote a 'Thank You' note and ordered some other items from Mr. Kindschi. Jim Witmer, 627 Co. Rd. 13, 02, RR 2, Ashland, OH 44805.
A. Your LA, 1? HP engine was built in 1936. It is, quite simply, IHC red.
23/1/11 I am looking to correspond with anyone having an Iron wood Engine. They were built in Ironwood, Michigan high school as projects. Mine was completed in 1918 by Ernie Beau-champ, my uncle. Jim Beauchamp, 27855 W. California, Lathrup Village, MI 48076.
23/1/12 Q. Daryl A. Miller, Box 277, Battle Creek, Iowa 51006 would like to correspond with anyone having a Long Model A tractor made by Long Mfg. Co., Tarboro, NC. Any information on these tractors will be appreciated.
A. The Reflector has never been privy to any information on the Long Model A except for the files at the Tractor Test Laboratory. When tested in 1949 (Test No. 410), it used a Continental four-cylinder L-head engine. All in all, it seems to have been assembled with a great many vendor-supplied components-a practice not at all out of character with tractor manufacturing in the 1940's and 1950's.
23/1/13 What is the proper color for a Black Bear engine? I assume it is black with white lettering. Would like to contact other Black Bear owners, and would appreciate their phone number so I can call and talk. Bob Coffey, 1201 Longview Drive, Rogers, AR 72756.
23/1/14 Howard Sins, RD 1, Box 67, West Leyden, NY 13489, sends several photos of recent restorations, plus some current projects. No 23/1/14A is a 1? HP Associated Chore Boy restored in the winter of 1986-7. No. 23/1/14B is a 1? HP Fairbanks-Morse also restored last winter. A 4 HP Robertsonville, made in Robertsonville, Quebec is illustrated in 23/1/14C. A tag on this engine reads: Mfg. Par La Fonderie de Robertsonville. Photo 14D illustrates a 2 HP Bovaird hot tube engine made by Bovaird & Co., Bradford, PA. I . was told that it was made about 1909 by a gentleman who worked at the company. Apparently Bovaird & Co. and Bovaird & Seyfang Co. were two different firms in Bradford, PA that were right across the railroad tracks from each other. Bovaird & Co. bought their design from a 'Fowler' Company and later sold it to American Railway Appliance Co. of Oil City. They marketed it as the ARA CO engine. There is a picture of the ARACO in the May-June 1984 GEM, page 17.
The Bovaird has eight holes in the valve seat for carburetion of the natural gas (now propane). In order to tighten the connecting rod bearing, the flywheel and side plate of the crankcase were to be removed. The main bearings are not split, and cannot be taken up.
Photo 23/1/14E is a 4 HP Leader engine that I am now restoring. It was built by Field Force Pump Co., Elmira, NY. Although the color scheme might not have been the same for all the engines from Field Force Pump Co., it appears that the engine shown in 14E is a deep green, something similar to New Idea green, or thereabouts. Perhaps this bit of information will be a starting point for someone needing to repaint one of these engines.
23/1/15 Q. I need help to find the history of a Junkers diesel engine, TYP-1HK65, 10 HP, 1200 rpm, that I have acquired. Would like to know how it might have come to Canada because it apparently was rarely exported from East Germany. Am also curious of its current value-the engine is fully restored and operative. Anyone with any information, kindly contact: M. M. Lauzon, Box 472, Royston, BC VOR 2VO Canada.
A. As might be expected, information here in the U.S. is rather scarce on the Junkers engine, particularly when it comes to their sales network. We have no idea as to how your engine might have landed in Canada-it could probably tell quite a story! We do not, either in our column or privately, make any appraisals of machinery values. The Reflector is not a qualified appraiser, so any judgements would be purely subjective on our part.
23/1/16 Q. Photo 23/1/16A illustrates a firewood processor that was operated in the Mt. Vemon, Washington area up to 1924 by a Mr. Graham. On March 1, 1924 Lillian and Estella Schmidt of Mt. Vemon purchased it for their father, Edward, for $50. The picture shows, left to right: William Thorsen (neighbor), John T. Benner (grandfather), Edward Schmidt (owner), Gus Davis (neighbor, tending engine). The engine was placed in a shed at the Schmidt residence about 1950, where it remained until I retrieved it in April 1987. Can anyone help me identify the engine? It has a 5 x 7 inch bore and stroke, and the part numbers are prefixed with YA, YC, etc. (also see 23/1/16B). Larry Wood, 13908 Ash Way, Lynnwood, WA 98037.
A. Your engine is a Stover Style B vertical. The serial number should be stamped on the cylinder flange where it meets the head, or perhaps on the end of the crankshaft. With this information, we should be able to tell you when it was built. Unless otherwise altered, it should 'run with the sun' when facing the governor-side flywheel-the previous term being an old one that is synonymous with 'clockwise'. When the igniter points are idle on this engine, they should be 1/16 inch apart. From constant wear the points sometimes become separated so far that when the igniter trip dog on the side rod trips the igniter sleeve, the engine does not receive a spark. This trouble can be overcome by bending the stud or limit pin on the igniter until the points are brought to the proper 1/16 inch spacing.
23/1/17 Q. On page 158 of American Gas Engines you refer to Power in the Past, Vol. 2: A History of Fairbanks, Morse & Company. I am primarily interested in identifying Fairbanks-Morse engine not listed in your large engine book, and am wondering whether the engine shown in the photo below might be in the latter title. This particular engine is in the ruins of a mine near Hyder, Alaska. On this site there is another two-cylinder, plus a three-cylinder, although in worse condition. I also saw a horizontal single cylinder, 17 HP, 345 rpm engine at Beaver Lodge Centennial Park Co-op Museum in Alberta. It was in running condition with a nameplate reading 'Fairbanks-Morse Robson Diesel Oil Engine'. Can anyone tell me about the history of this series? Charles W. Burgess, RR 1, Box 28, Mackay, Idaho 83251.
A. The engine in the photograph is a Fairbanks-Morse Type Y, Style V engine, and apparently was the predecessor of the well known and widely sold Model 32 Series in all its variations. This particular engine used an entirely different combustion chamber design than the Model 32, and depended on the retained heat of the domes on the cylinder heads for initial ignition of the fuel. The engine in this photograph is of the same general design as the Reflector referred to in the preamble to this month's column. Regarding the Fairbanks-Morse Robson, it should be remembered that Canadian Fairbanks-Morse, at least by the 1930's, was a major supplier of engines, mining equipment, and what have you. Like any large supply house, they carried many, many items which they themselves did not manufacture, and this apparently included certain engines, especially since the Robson is of British design and origin.
23/1/18 I recently acquired a 'Busy Bee' engine made by Gladden of Glendale, California. Any information on this 5 HP model will be appreciated, especially regarding the governor. There is nothing on this engine that might be used as a governor. R. P. Chaney, 402 W. Sarah, Cuero, TX 77954.
23/1/19 Q. Dr. George I. Goodwin, Jr., P.O. Box 786, E. Worcester, NY 12064, poses several questions: When are you going to write a book on Deere & Company? What is the proper color for an early 2 HP New Holland and where can I buy decals? Also color of the factory-built cart?
A. In answer to the first question, the Reflector doesn't have much cooking toward a Deere book at this time; we have some other projects cooking right now. Furthermore, it presently appears that if the Reflector is going to compile a history of Deere &. Company, it will have to be a totally independent venture, relying almost exclusively on advertising materials, etc., that are in the hands of private collectors. Nuff said. On the second question, we believe that DuPont Dulux 93-32678-H Maroon is quite comparable to the original. We also believe the cart is the same color. New Holland decals are available from some of our regular engine decal advertisers.
23/1/20 Q. I'd really appreciate some help on a 2 HP Economy gas engine. I need a service manual, and would like to know the date built. Has this engine ever been covered in GEM? John Harvey, 456 Monmouth Rd., West Long Branch, NJ 07764.
A. Engines of this type have been noted many times in GEM. Your letter indicates that you cannot get the Economy to run. It sounds very simplistic, but we've always used the theory that if you have fuel, compression, and fire, the engine simply has to run. Granted, there are lots of other items, correct timing, etc., but keeping this simple rule in mind helps to sort things out and determine wherein the problems lie. We highly recommend Gas Engine Guide, a fine little reprint available from Stemgas Publishing.
23/1/21 Would like to hear from anyone who has a Vim engine, or any information on one. We are restoring a Vim like the one on page 527 of American Gas Engines, and need help with the type of ignition contact, speed control, proper color, and dimensions of the battery box and skids. Jack Folta, Box 147, Laddonia, MO 63352.
23/1/22 Q. Recently my son found three old tractors out here in our Arkansas hills. They are all Farmalls, as follows: F-14, s/n FS143268: F-12, s/n FS54784; F-12, s/n FS89749. Can you tell us the year built for these tractors? Glen Ames, Hagarville, AR 72839.
A. In order, 1939, 1936, and 1937.
23/1/24 Q. Jack W. Stone, 79 Sparks Ave., Pennsnille, NJ 08070 asks for year built, etc., on the following engines: 1) Fairbanks-Morse 1? HP, s/n 164939; 2)IHCTypeM 1? HP, s/n A23880M; 3) IHC LB, 1? -2? HP, s/n LBA70588; 4) Economy 2 HP, s/n 29616; 5) Fairbanks-Morse 1? HP, Style D, cannot find s/n.
A. 1) 1915; 2) 1919; 3) 1942; 4) Unknown; 5) serial number is stamped on hopper of engine.
23/1/25 Q. I recently acquired an engine and pump jack with the following information: Stover, Stover Engine Works, Free-port, Illinois, HP 10, Speed 300, No. H94956. A second plate reads: Since 1878, Largest Most Reliable, Alamo Iron Works, San Antonio, Texas, Machinery & Supplies. The pump jack was made by Alamo to pump a 4 inch water well. Any information will be appreciated. Joel G. Friedel, 725 West 18th St., Houston, TX 77008.
A. Your engine was built in June, 1917. Dual name tags were fairly common, and probably were helpful to the jobbing house when it came time for parts or service. We have also been told that oil companies often supplied brass nameplates with their logo, plus the manufacturer's data virtually without cost. This gave substance to the notion that the named brand of oil on the nameplate was the only one that should be used, and of course, with any following at all, the embossed nameplate was a first class promotional tool with an excellent return on the nickel invested.
23/1/26Rice Equipment Inc., P. O. Box 687, Clarion, PA 16214, would like to hear from anyone who knows where to obtain parts for Ensign carburetors.
23/1/27 Q. On page 44 of American Gasoline Engines it states that Baker Mfg. Co-built 2 and 3 HP Little Baker engines. And on page 45 they built 10 and 15 HP Heavy Pattern Monitor engines. I would like to know if any of these engines remain in existence. Perry Kolb, Box 12, Satanta, KS 67870.
A. We would guess that there still might be a handful of these engines around yet, but we'll have to see if any of our readers send in any photos of existing examples.
23/1/28 Can anyone help me identify the engine in the two photographs? The bore is 25/8 x 3? inches, and the engine is about 17 inches tall. Frank Foster, 45 E. Allen St., Fairhaven, MA 02719.
23/1/29 Q. The photographs of my Nelson Bros. 5 HP Model D A shows it to be a medium dark green color. Where can I get decals for it? What is left has an elephant and the company name. What is the year for a Massey-Harris Type 2, 1? HP, s/n 1K3170 engine? Ray Wick-ham, Dumont, Iowa 50625.
A. We've always thought that DuPont Dulux 93-046 green was a close match for Nelson Bros, engines, but then that's our own opinion. To our knowledge, no one is making Nelson Bros, decals. No serial number data is available on Massey-Harris engines.
23/1/30 Johnnie M. Carter, 3136 Manatee Dr., Virginia Beach, VA 23464, needs information etc., on an Associated 8 HP engine, s/n 800804.
23/1/31 Richard J. Paulson, 2475 Crumb Road, Walled Lake, MI 48088, needs parts and service information on a United Type A, 2? HP engine. It also includes a cement mixer.
23/1/32 Q. See the photo given below of an engine we recently acquired. It appears to be a Sun-Power engine, but has no nameplate. Right now it has a 303K8 Webster bracket, but the 303K60 and 303K26 also fit. Would like to hear from other Sun-Power owners. Andre Raciot, 129 Rue Clark, Sherbrooke, Quebec J1J 2N4 Canada.
A. The 303K8 bracket is for a Waterloo Boy engine; the 303K26 is for the Hercules, and the 303K60 is for the Nelson Bros, engines. We would suggest that the K60 is the correct one, not just in terms of the bolt centers, etc., but also so far as the actual position of the igniter points within the combustion chamber.
23/1/33 I have just purchased a John Deere tractor, Model LUS. Does anyone have information regarding the year it was made, total production, and the proper color scheme? Any information will be appreciated. Todd McLeod, 8701 Crescent Valley Dr. NW, Gig Harbor, WA 98335.
23/1/34 Q. See the photos given below -I understand this is a Frick shingle mill. We need any information we can find regarding this mill. I also have an edger attachment not made by Frick, but by Lyon Iron Works, Greene, New York. Photo 23/1/34B shows parts needed to make the block work. I need information on these also. Carroll Powell, Rt 8, Box go, Greenwood, SC 29646.
A. The Reflector has always been fascinated with shingle mills, especially because of the intricate mechanisms sometimes used to shift the block from side to side in a semi-automatic manner. Unfortunately, we have nothing in our files on these machines, and were in fact completely unaware of a Frick shingle mill. Hopefully one of our colleagues can be of help.
23/1/35 Q. Nebraska Test data shows a Beaver engine being used on the Lauson 20-40 tractor. The nameplate gives this engine a rated speed of 1040 rpm, also inconsistent with this tractor. In addition, I need any information, photos, etc. that might be of help in restoring this tractor. Thanks in advance for any help. Harold Swierenga, RR 1, Carp, Ontario KOA 1LO Canada.
A. Our meager data shows that Lauson used Beaver and Erd engines, but we find no reference to the use of a LeRoi. This is, however, not outside the realm of possibility. Lauson built a rather small number of tractors, and like other builders using a vendor-supplied engine, Lauson probably used several different engines in order to find the 'best' one. Perhaps one of our readers has researched Lauson sufficiently to provide some definitive answers.
23/1/36 Gary H Taylor, Barber Road, Stockton, NY 14784, recently purchased a Standard Twin 2-cylinder garden tractor and needs color scheme, service information, etc., on same.
23/1/37 Robert Smithburg, 11220 Fox River Drive, Newark, IL 60541, has an IHC 3 HP engine, s/n D-16705 that he is restoring for use with an antique burr mill. Information in the form of an owner's manual, literature, etc. will be appreciated.
23/1/38 Charles Bentham, 1589 Willow-dale Road, Skaneateles, NY 13152 needs information on a Hercules 3? HP engine with a Wico EK magneto.
23/1/39 Q. The Cletrac '40' and Chirac '60' tractors of Nebraska Tests 149 and 182 respectively used electric lighting and starting equipment. This was quite unusual in 1928. Can anyone locate an illustration showing the controls so that 1 would know what type of light switch was used? Also need a photocopy of instructions for the 40-55 or 60-80 Cletrac. Cyril Nolan, 8 Rathmines Park, Rathmines, Dublin, Ireland.
A. The Reflector has almost nothing on the Cletrac line, but perhaps some of our readers can be of help.
23/1/40 Can anyone tell me if Aermotor Co. of Chicago still makes windmills, or if there are any U. S. windmill manufacturers at this time? Burl H. Gillum, 6637 Pendleton Drive NW, Roanoke, VA 24019.
23/1/41 Q. We recent!? bought a McCormick-Deering 10-20 with s/n KC144544 and would like to have the correct year, also the correct color for the wheels. Joe English, 86og? SE Maiden Ct., Portland, OR 97266.
A. Your tractor was built in 1929. So far as we know, the wheels are ordinary IHC red.
23/1/42 Q. Todd Kuhns, Box 1731, Bethany, OK 73008 writes: I have an IHC Titan-Famous 1 HP hopper cooled engine with bronze connecting rod. The serial no. is either VC14773 or VC11773. Would like to have a serial number list so 1 can determine the age of this engine. Did they manufacture very many of these with the brass connecting rod? Any information will be appreciated.
A. Look in the December 1986 GEM for an IHC serial number listing. We have always been of the opinion that most, if not all, of the 1 HP hopper cooled and Tom Thumb air cooled engines used a bronze connecting rod. It wasn't any too strong, especially at the crank end-a good many broke off just ahead of the crank throw, leaving the remaining pieces to come to rest where they would.
23/1/43 Q. Patrick G. Riffey, Rt. 3, Box 56, Edinburg, VA 22824 inquires regarding the age of a LeRoi engine, Model WF, s/n 94591. It is a four-cylinder model, 2? x 3? inch bore and stroke. Information is also needed on a LeRoi RH-2 engine, No. 1338.
A. In answer, we had only one letter in our 'Readers Write' section this month, and it pertains not only to the above questions, but also refers directly to 22 /11 /19 for information on LeRoi engines. George V. Titus, 1709 W. 241 St., Lomita, CA 90717 writes that he was successful in writing to: LeRoi Division, Dresser Industries, c/o H. W. Young, Mgr. Service Literature, N. Main Ave. & Russell Road, Sidney, OH 45365.
See photos MM-1 and MM-2 for a couple views of our models. They were fabricated by my dad and me from plans we got out of the classified ads of your magazine. They have a 2 x 21/2 inch bore and stroke, hit-and-miss governing. We had the flywheels cast, which are 12 inches. William Lee, Box 113, Wyano, PA 15695.
Mr. C. E. Alverson, 1277 BaysHore, Dr., Haslett, MI 48840 sends some photos of his engine built entirely of brass (MM-3 and MM-4). Everything is of scrap brass except the main frame which was cast into a solid block about 3x3x4 inches. It weighed about 9 pounds, but after machining it weighs just over 4 pounds. Speed regulation is by a spring and screw located just back of the governor gear. Ignition is in the base. The other engine (MM-5) is from Associated castings by Paul Breisch, with modification as I remembered buzz saw rigs of the 1930's in north-central Michigan. My job was to throw away off the saw.