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Stover engine

22/1/20a

Andrew J. Anderson

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22/1/16Jack Harrell, Box 142, Roanoke, IN 46783 is looking for date of manufacture on an Earthmaster tractor, Model C, s/n 333, built in Hollydale, California. Kindly contact Mr. Harrell if you can supply any information at all on this tractor; photocopies, etc.

22/1/17 Q. I have a diesel engine with the following data: American Marc AC 1 (cast in flywheel housing); s/n 57; modified in accordance with Dwg 10112; Built by Electro magnetite Industries Inc., 102 Greeley Ave., Sayville, NY 11782. My inquiry was returned with no forwarding address. This is a 1 -cylinder, air-cooled engine. What is the horsepower, what was its use, and when was it built? Would appreciate hearing from anyone with information on this engine. Robert T. Strong, 1308 Sunrise Drive, Port Edi son, North Fort Myers, FL 33903.

A. The Reflector has a sizeable collection of diesel engine materials, but here's a new one! We appeal to our readers for help!

22/1/18 Q. Can anyone help us in restoring a Beaver garden tractor? It uses a Wisconsin engine. Need to know the paint color, years manufactured, and whether anyone has an owner's manual. Would also like to get a tracing of the decal or original lettering on the fuel tank. Robert L. Hall fish, 15 Cod Soil Road, Lawrenceville, NJ 08648.

A. As in the previous question, we appeal to our readers.

22/1/19 Q. I am restoring an old Cushman Model C engine, s/n 4383, 4 HP, 800 rpm. Mechanically it's not too bad, but need to correspond with someone who has one of these engines so I can rebuild the ignition system. Also would like to know the year it was built.

A. So far as is known, serial number lists on the Cushman engines no longer exist.

22/1/20 Q. I purchased this engine (see below photos) at the LeGrand, California auction on September 25, 1986. There is no name-the only mark I can find is the number U6823 on the top of the water jacket. Some of the castings have a 'U' prefix. Any information would be appreciated. Andrew J. Anderson, 735 May view Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94303.

A. Photo 22/1/20a shows an excellent view of the carburetor, and this view alone would reinforce the belief that it is a Stover engine. This idea seems incorrect though, since the flywheel has a built in crank in the rim; an idea not taken up by Stover. A rear view also indicates a somewhat different frame configuration than Stover. Closely related in terms of design similarity, the Rawleigh engines built at Freeport, Illinois come in as a possibility, but it seems to the Reflector that Rawleigh engines carried the igniter in the cylinder head, rather than Stover's practice of mounting the ignitor in the cylinder wall. The Reflector may be well off base on this one, but we suspect that it came from a Freeport, Illinois factory by virtue of the carburetor and fuel tank layout, plus the water hopper configuration.

22/1/21 Q. What is the year built of a McCormick-Deering engine, 1? HP, s/n AW 90362? What is the year of a Mogul 1 HP engine, s/n W5891? Also have a Sandow 2? HP engine built by Sandy McManus, Waterloo, Iowa. I know of two other Sandow engines, identical to mine, but one is a Sheldon, and one is a Majestic. William T. Dean, Box 253, LaPlace, IL 61936

A. The 1? HP McCormick-Deering was built in 1929. A rather complete listing of Mogul engine serial numbers is listed in the June 1985 issue of  GEM. Page 299 of American Gasoline Engines offers an extensive story of the Sandow engines, including a matching color number of DuPont Dulux 93-1032 blue. McManus manufactured nothing-his was a sales organization and he was the chief promoter for same. The Smythe, Sheldon, Majestic, and other titles ascribed to these engines were merely titles used by the contract buyers. These engines were actually built in the shops of Waterloo Gasoline Engine Company.

22/1/22 Q. Could your please tell me the color and year built of a 5 HP Stickney, s/n 20246? Don Klyn, 38149 Glenmoor Drive, Fremont, CA 94536.

A. Your engine appears to have been built in 1914. Some Stickney engines were finished in gray, while others used a deep blue comparable to DuPont Dulux 93-81501. This is a very dark blue. We are unsure of the exact color match for the gray enamel, nor are we certain of which models used this particular finish.

22/1/23 Q.Vernon Speer, 4423 S. Hwy 98, Dade City, FL 33525 would appreciate hearing from anyone regarding the following problems:

1) Can anyone supply information, photocopies, etc. on the Gilson Drag Saw (22/1/23a)?

2) Photo 22/1/23b shows a 3? HP Goold, Shapley & Muir engine as illustrated on page 211 of American Gas Engines. The engine looks simple enough, but I have had problems in getting the gas mixture set to where it runs properly. The exhaust is double ported at the front and the back of the piston stroke, there is also a petcock at the front and the back of the stroke.

22/1/24 Q. Can you provide the proper paint color for Sandwich engines? Roger Hansen, Box 109, Kanawha, IA 50447.

A. Our information has it that the Sandwich is comparable to DuPont Dulux 93-5800 green.

22/1/25 Q.Ken Currie, 9056 Riverside Drive, Brighton, MI 48116 writes: 'I've been collecting gas engines for about 8 years and have found it to be the most enjoyable hobby I've never been associated with. My latest craze is the Bullseye, Ward, and Jacobson engines, of which the first two were marketed by Montgomery Ward. In your book, American Gas Engines you seem to have entirely omitted the Ward line. These have large cast brass nameplates and are identical to the Bullseye engine except for the plate. I am interested in assembling a registry of Ward, Bullseye, and Jacobson sideshaft engine serial numbers, together with the owner's name and address, and complete information from the nameplate. Would also like to know when the name changed from Ward to Bullseye, and if Jacobson numbers were concurrent to the Ward and Bullseye production.

A. We'll certainly concede that our book American Gas Engines has its shortcomings, with the greatest one being that a great many engines were not included. Also, at the time of the research, we were unaware of the Ward-Bullseye nameplate change, so nothing was mentioned. We think it admirable that Mr. Currie is attempting to set up a registry and encourage all of the above owners to contact him with the necessary information.

22/1/26 Q. Can anyone supply information on the hot air engine in the below photograph? I need help in identifying it-the only identifying marks are the letters E.E.E.C. stamped on several of the castings. Randy E. Schwerin, RR 2, Sumner, IA 50674.

A. Having almost no information on file regarding hot air engines, we turn this one out to our readers for their response.

22/1/27 Q. I have a Superior 25 HP engine and would like to know the years built and proper color for same. Bob Coffey, 1201 Longview Drive, Rogers, AR 72756.

22/1/28 Q. I am restoring a Huber HS tractor, s/n V1883 or 11883. It uses a Waukesha engine, 4? x 6?, 1150 rpm. Can you give me any information on this tractor or tell me where to look. Dale Grafton, RR 3, Box 74, Loogootee, IN 47553.

A. The HS, 27-42 tractor was apparently built during 1935 to at least 1938. We do not have a serial number list for Huber, although we are confident that some of our readers might have this information

22/1/29 Q. We have acquired a Weber winch engine with the sideshaft and vertical flyball governor. It is about 10-15 horse power. The ignitor is missing, so we would like to correspond with anyone having a similar engine. Willis Boyer, Box 245, Lolo, MT 59847. Phone 406 273-0748.

22/1/30 Q. Can you identify this engine? (See below photo). The tag reads: 600 rpm; H.P. 1? XK; s/n 14155. The part numbers have a 'GE' prefix, with the flywheel reading GE4021-A. Date of manufacture is 9/10/29. The engine is red and uses a Wico EK magneto. Any help will be appreciated. Gary Anderson, 675 Clear Ave., St. Paul, MN 55106.

A. Despite the part numbers given in your letter, the nameplate tells the story-this appears to be a Hercules XK engine.

22/1/31 Q. I have a small Delco plant, sup posed to be 12-16 volts. It is missing the fuel tank and air duct. The only number I can find is T4962 at the top of the crankcase, just below where the air duct sits on top of ridge. The brass tag is not legible, but this unit looks like a small 850 of the 1920's. It has no carburetor, gas enters at the edge of the casting with a choke handle. Would like more information and a picture showing how gas tank is mounted. Did this unit have a number designation? Harley Carman, 42142 Upper Berlin Dr., Lebanon, OR 97355.

22/1/32Marvin Young, Route 2, Box 104A, Gilbertsville, KY 42044 would like to correspond with anyone having information on the Little major engines. He has one but has no information on it whatever.

22/1/33 Q. See below photo of an engine I recently acquired. Would like to know the name, model, and when it was built. It looks similar to the Nelson Bros. engine shown on page 333 of American Gas Engines. The casting numbers bear the prefix 'NF.' It has a 3? inch bore and a 4? inch stroke, operating speed 550 rpm. Flywheels are 15? inches in diameter. Paul Bacon, 11576 View Drive, Grass Valley, CA 95945.

A. We feel certain that this engine was built by Nelson Bros., and suggest that this one is a Sattley built by Nelson for Montgomery, Ward & Co. Original equipment included a Wico EK magneto. Fortunately this magneto is readily available from various GEM advertisers.

22/1/34 Q. What is the year built of an IHC Type LB engine, 1?-2? HP, s/n LBA 124928? Clifford E. Pollock, 7 Catherine St., Box 122, Gansewoort, NY 12831.

A. From the chart contained on page 414 of 150 Years of International Harvester, your engine was built in 1947.

22/1/35Earl Bower, 1617 Douglas, Bellingham, WA 98225 would like to correspond with anyone having an IHC Victor horizontal engine, 12 HP, s/n N1358E. It has a number of pieces missing on the igniter, governor, valve gear, and pumps, so dimensions are needed to rebuild the missing parts. Kindly contact Mr. Bower if you are able to help.

22/1/36Arthur Milner, 8 Spring Street, West Lebanon, NH 03784 would like to contact someone who could provide him with Antique Classic Car Directory similar to the Stemgas Steam & Gas Show Directory.

22/1/37 Q. Can anyone advise the approximate age and correct colors for this engine? It is a 2 HP Lunt, Moss engine, Thompson type, s/n 4770. Would also like to know whether this engine used a cooling fan, although this engine uses an auxiliary exhaust similar to the Gade engines. Dale A. Hoxie, RFD 3, Box 177A, Stonington, CT 06378.

A. Page 512 of American Gas Engines illustrates the air cooled model of the Thompson Tiger line. Quite possibly the 2 HP model was not equipped with the fan, but the same engine with a fan might have carried a higher horsepower rating.

22/1/38 Q. First of all, we enclose a photo of our Massey-Harris '20' tractor. We understand that only about 7,000 were built. Ours is a 1947 model. What is the proper paint color for a B. F. Avery 'A' tractor; also the Avery 'V'? Need to correspond with anyone having a Love tractor. I have one, but need to know the proper paint color. Roy D. Holler, 3838 So. 80th St., Franksville, WI 53126.

A. The question of B. F. Avery color schemes has been asked previously in this column, but so far we have no definite information to share with you that we can recall. Love tractors are very scarce, so we will be interested in hearing from anyone that can provide some information.

22/1/39Henry Miller, 2750 E. Sweetwater, Phoenix, AZ 85032 asks for information on an Earthmaster tractor, s/n 366. Paint color schemes are also needed. Mr. Miller also wishes to thank everyone who responded to his earlier request for information on various Oliver models.

22/1/40 Q. We are restoring an Adams Leaning Wheel Grader, Model 1-C built by J.D. Adams & Co., Indianapolis, Indiana. Any information on this machine will be appreciated. Ed Morris, RD2, Box 75 A, Finleyville, PA 15332.

22/1/41 Q. Can you supply information on a Stover CT-4 engine, s/n TD241140? Richard P. Blake Jr., President, Carbone Power Equipment Inc., 189 Newigton Road, West Hartford, CT 06110.

A. Your engine was built in November, 1936. Photocopies of Stover operating manuals and other information are available at nominal cost from the Reflector, C. H. Wen del, RR 1, Atkins, IA 52206. Lest anyone become upset that we are promoting our own goods within the column, a word of explanation. Some years ago, the late Lester L. Roos, Geneseo, Illinois acquired all existing records of Stover Engine Works, together with an immense amount of engine parts. Lester did a land office business for several years selling brand new parts at bargain basement prices. When his health began fail, Lester offered to give the Reflector the Stover production records, together with a rather complete set of instruction and parts books for the Stover engine, windmill, and feed grinder line. In receiving this material, it was agreed that we would continue his practice of making this material available on request, and at a nominal charge to cover the cost of copying and mailing. We further agreed that at such time as we are no longer able to continue this practice, then the material is to go to an individual or an organization that will likewise agree to the same arrangement. I firmly believe that Lester hoped (even though he never said so) that perpetuation of research on Stover engines would be a living memorial to him. So be it.

22/1/42Richard Ste-Marie, 48 Georges, Canidac, P.Q., J5R 3W6Canada would like paint color information on the following engines: Massey-Harris R-20 and Massey Harris Type 2. Would someone kindly forward this information both to Mr. Ste Marie and to the Reflector so that all Massey-Harris owners can benefit.

READERS WRITE

Reo enginesJohn M. Chmiko, 307 S. Clinton, St. Johns, MI 48879 writes that he has acquired a Reo Model MK, Type G engine, s/n 8G4506 X. Recently he saw an advertisement showing an engine of similar design, but set up as an in-board marine engine. It used a gear reduction and long adaptor with a shaft down through the bottom of the boat. Mr. Chmiko has also been in contact with a gentleman having a great deal of information on the Reo engines. Interested parties might contact Mr. Chmiko at the above address.

Gas Engine Collectors Directory A recent Reflections column mentioned a Gas Engine Collectors Directory. Mark Rembis of 2190 Buford Bardwell Rd., Mt. Orab, Ohio 45154 wrote to tell us there is a publication called The Visiting Fireman which is a national/international directory of fire buffs and fire apparatus collectors. It is printed annually, and a per son has his name listed by buying a copy. Perhaps this idea might give you some insight toward such a project. Stemgas Publishing is considering such a publication, and entertains further thoughts, ideas, and suggestions.

Allis-Chalmers Model E Tractors About a year ago my Model E developed a hole from the exhaust port into the water jacket on cylinder 4. Although I got a replacement, I would like to share with you that anyone with an 'E' or 'A' knows the exhaust ports will burn and rust off. I was brave enough to build a new one with nickel rod, using 60 amps AC. I skip welded bead upon bead until I had a whole new port.

Amazing things can be done by taking the time and patience to do the job. Welding on a cylinder head or block is touchy business at its best, and the 'cure' rate isn't all that good. The Reflector has had some success in stitching casting cracks together by taking small flats or rounds and laying them crosswise of the crack, then welding or brazing them to the casting. After stitching the crack together, filling in the remaining cracks seems to work okay. Regard less of what others say, we still prefer using the acetylene torch and bronze filler rod. One other comment: we wouldn't think of welding or brazing a casting without preheating it thoroughly. Oftentimes we continue heating the casting for a few minutes after we're done brazing, then cover the whole thing up with ashes overnight. The casting will be hot yet the next morning.

21/10/5 AermotorBrad E. Smith, 7574 So. 74 St., Franklin, WI 53132 comments that the Aermotor pump engines were painted candy-apple red, battleship gray, or emerald green. Brad also comments that each issue of GEM could be enhanced with tips and ideas for model engine builders.

Lalley Light PlantsBernard Sanchez, 3217 S. Hemp stead Ave., Arcadia, CA 91006 is attempting to locate owners of the Lalley Light Plant to possibly form an owner's group for sharing information.

Viking Garden TractorMark G. Sergent, 318 Market St., Box 626, Spencer, WV 25276 comments that several individuals replied to his earlier request for information on the Viking. Mr. Sergent also might be able to share some of his newly gained information with other Viking owners.

Reo engine article The article by Andrew K. Mackey notes that the 'Reo is the only 1-cylinder, 4-stroke engine that runs counter-clockwise.' However, the Johnson Motors 'Iron Horse' also runs counter-clockwise. Also, the cam and rocker arrangement is the same as on the 1947 Lauson Model RSH 737. Jan van der Gugten, 2633 Ware St., Abbotsford, B.C. V2S3E2 Canada.

Associated engine serial numbersRoy D. Crofut, Arlington, VT 05250 writes that he has an Associated engine with s/n 330-364 A. It is 1? HP, and he asks whether anyone can supply the year built from this data.

A recent GEM article attempted to re-construct the serial number listing for Associated engines, using the numbers given for engines of known ancestry as its major parameter. We have some reservations about the criteria used, since first of all, we are not at all sure that Associated used a consecutive numbering system, regardless of horsepower or model. Some companies jumbled the numbers intentionally to prevent their competitors from using this very parameter as a guesstimate of actual production figures. Other companies intentionally skipped large blocks of numbers, then went back to fill in the blank spaces on engines built many years later. We believe that for this method to be workable, it is first necessary to deter mine, if indeed it can be determined, how the numbering system was structured in the first place.

21/10/1 Thresher The Delaware Agricultural Museum has a similar thresher on display. I recommend that Mr. Shipley contact: Mrs. Leah Hamilton, c/o Delaware Agricultural Museum, 866 N. DuPont Hwy., Dover, DE 19901. It appears the thresher pictured in GEM is very similar, if not identical to the one in this museum. Jeff Cain, Box 473, Lumberton, NJ 08048.

Smith Motor Wheel Quite a few of these were used with buckboards, and these occasionally appear at antique car meets. The Antique Automobile Club of America Inc., 501 W. Governor Rd., Box 417, Hershey, PA 17033 has a tremendous library, and may be able to provide further information, although certain fees are attached to their research time and the use of the library. Herbert G. Clopper, Box 507, Boothbay Harbor, ME 04538.

Mr. Richard H. Babbitt, RFD 2, Box 95, Voluntown, CT 06384 has forwarded photocopies of some Smith Motor Wheels to the Reflector's files. Sooner or later, it, like much of the other research material, will be pressed into service, our thanks to Mr. Babbitt.

Missing Letters A couple of readers have written in recently noting that their letters have not so far been published. We never, never intend to slight anyone. Occasionally we will combine comments, especially when several people pose virtually the same question or offer basically identical responses to a question. Other than that, we try to include all of your mail. Then there's always human error-this column for instance required a long day's work, with letters sorted out in little stacks all over our office. It's always possible to miss something, and we dread hearing that someone has been left out. That is never the intention of the Reflector nor of GEM.

TIP OF THE MONTH Looking for a way to clean your hands after working with old iron? Here's an old-fashioned way: Use ordinary lard to clean up, and after using it, plain old soap and water will eliminate the lard. If an abrasive is desired, use a little corn meal with the lard. For a portable hand cleaner container, use a good sized grease cup and squirt some cleaner (or lard) onto your hands.

The purpose of the Reflections column is to provide a forum for the exchange of all useful information among subscribers to GEM. Inquiries or responses should be addressed to; REFLECTIONS, Gas Engine Magazine, P.O. Box 328, Lancaster, PA 17603.

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