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Ye olde Reflector has no new and dramatic developments to announce this month. In late May, we made our annual trek to the Central Hawkeye Swap Meet at Waukee, Iowa. As in years past, acres and acres of engines, tractors, parts, and who knows what else, covered the area. Of course this event was also an ideal time to meet old friends and talk about the summer's revival of engine shows after the winter hibernation period.

We hope no one feels slighted by our comments on the Waukee event-it's just that for ye olde Reflector, this is a three-hour trip from home, and with a limited schedule of time, we're seldom able to attend other events at a greater distance.

As we write this column in early June, we feel compelled to report that as of this time, our attempts to secure anything in the way of photographs or historical data regarding the J.I. Case Company have met with partial success. We reported earlier that we are in the midst of compiling a comprehensive history of J. I. Case products. Thus far, we have enlisted the aid of the two J.I. Case collector clubs, along with the assistance of several other individuals. Should you have any Case materials, photos, or other data that would be of help, kindly drop us a line. At this point, one of the critical needs is for the use of a copy of Holbrook's Machines of Plenty which Case commissioned a number of years ago. Also needed is data and illustrations of acquired companies such as Osborne, Emerson-Brantingham, Geiser, Reeves, Rock Island Plow Company, American Tractor Corporation, and others.

Also regarding Case, we once read that they acquired Troy Wagon Company and used their large dirt haulers and other equipment as part of the Road Machinery Line. We also know that Case acquired Fish Bros. Wagon Company and the Mitchell-Lewis Wagon Company. Can anyone supply anything on these areas? If so, send a line to the Reflector, c/o Gas Engine Magazine.

A footnote. While at Waukee, we happened across a copy of a Nelson Bros. Jumbo Line Instructions and Parts Manual. We've already talked to the folks at Stemgas, and as soon as their publishing schedule permits, a reprint of this little book will be available. Quite a number of folks have asked about something like this, but for us, this is the first time we have found anything relating to the Jumbo Line.

Have a safe and enjoyable time with your engines and tractors this summer! Our first question is:

24/8/1 Massey-Harris engine

Q.Dick Brown, RR 2, Box 362, Gilbertsville, KY 42044 writes: I have some questions regarding my 21/2 HP M-H engine. It uses a Webster magneto. What is the proper color? Are these engines considered rare? Is there anyone reproducing parts or manuals on these engines? I would certainly like to correspond with other M-H engine owners!

A. Although we aren't sure of a precise color match for the M-H engines, we are sure in telling you that these engines are quite scarce indeed, and always seem to command a substantial price whenever one comes up for sale.

24/8/2 Utilitor

See the below photos (24/8/2A and 2B) of my Utilitor garden tractor. I'm not sure of the correct color, but by what was on the tractor when I bought it, it seems to be close to Caterpillar yellow, John Deere green flywheels, and black handle bars. It is s/n 12 54. The extra wheels are the same except the lugs are much longer. Since I did not get any tools with the tractor, I would appreciate hearing from anyone having same, and who could give me some dimensions so I could make some tools to fit it. The points in the magneto were gone, so I made some, but they do not work very good.

Boyd Young, RR 1, Box 30, McCool Junction, NE 68401.

(Editor's note: See our article on the Utilitor in the July 1989 issue.)

24/8/3 Wagon Jack

Q.Jack Harrell, 525-200 N, Huntington, ID 46783 sends a photo of a very old wagon jack dated 1798. It is made of wood and forged iron, and has been handed down in the family for years. Are there any older ones around?

A. Since wagons required regular applications of axle grease to the hubs and skeins, a wagon jack was nearly as important as the end gate. We've seen quite a few of these over the years, and as many of you know, they were made in all shapes and descriptions. However, we never have seen one like this!

24/8/4 Engine and Tractor Problems

Q. I have an IHC LBB engine, 3-5 HP. When I started it the first time, it soon stopped. I discovered a bursted head, and water was getting into the combustion chamber. After another head was installed, I then found water in the crankcase. Can water get into the crank-case if there is no crack in the cylinder casting part of the block assembly?

Also I have a 1935 Farmall F-12 tractor. Originally, the first two cylinders were stuck, and rusted solid. After new sleeves, pistons, etc., it ran good, but eventually I noticed that I was losing radiator water. Water was not getting into the crankcase, so 1 thought it was getting into the cylinders. After sitting for a few months, it was stuck again, and No. 1 and No. 2 pistons were rusted. After refacing the head and reassembling it, we discovered water in all four cylinders. Why is this happening? J. H. Tucker, RR 2, Box 44, McComb, MS 39648.

A. Regarding the LLB engine, we suspect that the first place to look is at the head gasket. From the symptoms you present, it seems entirely possible that water is getting into the passage which carries the throttle rod and is making its way back to the crankcase. A new head gasket will probably be needed.

The F-12 seems to be displaying similar problems, especially since the water is ending up inside the cylinders. This would indicate to us that the leakage is more than likely coming from the top side, and probably from the head gasket joint. Again, we would suspect the head gasket. If the head was resurfaced by people who know the business, it should be okay. Oftentimes, leakages like this can be detected by a minute examination of the head, gasket, and block on disassembly.

24/8/5 Friend engine

Q. Can someone explain to me how the ignition system works on a Friend engine? There is no magneto or brackets, so did it use a Model T coil? Any information on this problem will be appreciated. Mike Johnson, 631 Bear Tavern Road, W. Trenton, NJ 08628.

A. If anyone can assist Mr. Johnson, please drop him a line.

24/8/6 Baker Test Fans

Q. We have a Baker fan at our local fair. Although we have the rpm figures for all these tractors, wedo not know how to convert this information into the horsepower output. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who can help. Henry Feenstra, RR 3, Chatsworth, Ontario N0H 1G0 Canada.

A. Our memory bank tells us that several years ago, we saw a chart in one of the engine magazines, perhaps Iron Men Album. This chart gave the approximate horsepower output for various fan speeds. However, we do not believe that an accurate readout is possible on the fan-this can be better supplied by a Prony brake or an electric dynamometer. The Baker fan was actually devised as a simple means of working an engine up to its capacity, regardless of the size of the engine. Since it is impossible to turn the fan up to the speed of cavitation, its capacity is governed primarily by its ability to withstand the load which is delivered to it.

24/8/7 From the Netherlands

Q. My favorite hobby is to collect information on old tractors. I have received a lot of instructions and maintenance books about German tractors, and have some books about tractors. A lot of the details I have put on a computer program, dBase III+. If anyone can help me with my hobby here in Holland, I would like to hear from them, as I have doubles of many titles. Bruce Dryver, Bosmanstraat 3, 7833 KT Niew-Amsterdam, Netherlands.

A. We encourage anyone interested in exchanging information with this gentleman to drop him a line.

24/8/8 Capital engine

Q. See the below photos of a Capital engine built by Dissinger at Wrightsville, Pa. It has a 41/4 x 5 inch bore and stroke, and is over 70 years old. I was told by my father that it upset one time and broke one flywheel, so the pulley side wheel is not original. Can anyone supply any information on this engine, including its approximate value?

John J. Schauren, 206 S. 8th St., Columbia, PA 17512.

A. If anyone can be of help, contact Mr. Schauren.

24/8/9 What is it?

Q. See the photo of an unidentified machine. Any help will be appreciated.

A.D. Endecott, PO Box 112, Vaughan, NC 27586.

A. This appears to be what is left of an old steam hoisting engine. The piston valves and the valve rods are obvious, but the eccentrics and linkage are obviously gone. Also, it is obvious that ball bearing pillow blocks have been substituted for the original babbitt style, and it appears that the crankshaft has been shortened somewhat.

24/8/10 Milwaukee Engine

Q. I have a Milwaukee engine, s/n 333195, made by Associated. It is 13/4 HP, and looks like the 'Johnny Boy' on page 35 of American Gas Engines. The tag reads: The Milwaukee; P.T. Lesare Ltd., Quebec, Montreal, Canada. Any information on this engine will be much appreciated. Donald J. Quintal, 1147 W. Lowell Ave., Haverhill, MA 01832.

A. Did Associated build the engine, or is this another of the 'renegade' engines-those which were out-and-out copies of U.S.-built models, but cast and machined in Canadian shops? There is no question that some of this activity occurred, but we have never located evidence to indicate whether this was done as a freelance project on the part of a Canadian manufacturer, or whether in fact it had the blessing and backing of an American builder, with the hidden agenda of avoiding the import duties. Can anyone elaborate on this?

24/8/11 Unidentified Foreign Objects

Q. While restoring a Fairbanks-Morse engine, I found that the lower part of the jacket was completely clogged. Eventually I dug out 25 cast pieces like those shown in the photo. Can you tell me what these objects might be?

Ken Evans, 130 Malcolm Drive, Pasadena, CA 91105.

A. These are some of the cast 'stars' used in rattling the core sand out of the completed casting. Occasionally one can be found in a cylinder head or in a narrowed area of the jacket, but your case is unusual in that so very many were left behind. The stars were very effective in dislodging particles of sand from the interior areas of the casting, often by the use of a tumbling barrel or perhaps some specialized shakeout device.

24/8/12 Massey-Harris

Q. Can someone supply the proper paint colors for a Massey-Harris Pony tractor? What is the manufacturing date for this unit, s/n PGS-3572?

Stanley Boltz, Route 1, Box 31, Monticello, MO 63457.

A. We have DuPont Stock No. 77932, Chip No. 31 listed as the proper shade of red, and Stock No. 29440 listed as the proper shade of yellow. Although we have the Model 11 Pony as being built from 1947-57, we have no serial number listing for this style.

24/8/13 LeSueur Swap Meet

Just a few lines to let you know we went down to LeCenter, Minnesota for their 12th Annual Swap Meet and Flea Market. We were amazed at the number of old engines, magnetos, and parts. It is a dream land for anyone looking for engine parts. It was a bit muddy, but not really bad. Andy Szurek, 2809 Silver Lane NE, Minneapolis, MN 55421.

24/8/14 A substitute for regular gasoline?

Q. Since high octane leaded gasoline is disappearing from the market, are there any additives that might be used in old engines?

Harley L. Collins, 2540 Fox Road, Bath, PA 18014.

A. So far as old gas engines are concerned, we're not sure that high-test leaded fuels are necessary, especially when it is considered that when most of these engines were built, white gas was the only thing on the market. The tetraethyl lead was an anti-knock ingredient required when smaller, high-speed, high-compression engines came along. There may be some additives on the market, and if someone can make some recommendations, please let us know.

24/8/15 Shaw Du-All tractor

Q. I recently acquired a Model 12 Du-All, Model 12 1/2, s/n B1496 with a Western engine. The rear wheels have 4 large spokes. Can anyone give me the proper color and approximate year built? Also need a manual and some parts.

Alvin Deutsch, 615 Crestwood Dr., Evansville, IN 47715.

24/8/16 IHC Mogul engine

Q. What is the year built of an IHC Mogul 1 HP engine, s/n W18031? The engine is complete except for the governor shoe and the exhaust pushrod. Given the dimensions, I am confident I could make the required parts. Will the governor shoe from an ignitor style IHC Type M work in place of the original? Joe Prindle III, RR 1, Box 239, Grand Marsh, WI 53936.

A. Your engine was built in 1917. If anyone can supply Mr. Prindle with the needed dimensions, kindly get in touch with him.

24/8/17 E-B horse-drawn disc

Q. We recently acquired a 2-furrow horsedrawn disc built by Emerson-Brantingham of Rockford, Illinois. They apparently began building tillage equipment in 1895, continuing until purchased by J.I. Case in 1928. However, we have no specific information on this machine, so we would appreciate hearing' from anyone who might be able to supply literature or other specifics.

 Peter M. Ledwith, Curator of Collections, Ontario Agricultural Museum, PO Box 38, Milton, Ontario L9T 2Y3 Canada.

A. If you can supply anything to Mr. Ledwith, we are sure it will be appreciated.

24/8/18 Rock Island engine

Q. See the photo which shows a small metal yoke directly beneath the setscrew in the piston pin boss. What is its purpose? I would also like to know the age of the engine-it carries the number A62948.

Telford G. Winger, 1002 Mechanic St., Decorah, IA 52101.

A. We believe this to be a locking device for the piston pin setscrew. Oftentimes this setscrew was drilled to accommodate a wire, and in this case, we suspect the wire went through the setscrew and around the protruding boss. There are no known serial number lists for the Rock Island engines.

24/8/19 Paint colors

Q. I have DuPont Dulux 93-5378-H green listed as the proper color for the Worthington engines, and 93-066-H red or Centari 5027 as the correct colors for the Galloway. Do you have some updated numbers for these, especially the Worthington? What is the correct color for the Aultman-Taylor 30-60 tractor? Also I am looking for information on the John Deere 10-bottom prairie plow. Carl J. Scharrer, RR3, Aitkin, MN 56431.

A. So far as we know, these colors should be available from DuPont dealers. We have no information at hand on the proper match for the Aultman-Taylor.

24/8/20 Hercules diesel engines

Q. Does anyone have any information on a 9 HP Hercules diesel engine made at Evansville, Indiana? Roy E. Raudabaugh, Star Route, Box 164, Bens Run, WV 26135.

A. These engines should be virtually identical to the Thermoil sold by Sears, but also built by Hercules. Thus, if anyone has information on either style, perhaps it would be of help to this gentleman. The Reflector can vouch for the fact that if this is one's first venture into engines of this variety, some instructions information is very helpful.

24/8/21 Hot tube ignition

Q. I have several engines in my shop now with hot tube ignition. Are there any books with information about operation of this system? Any help will be appreciated. Glenn A. Radaker, RD 1, Knox, PA 16232.

A. There have been some articles in GEM over the years, but a search of their indexes doesn't point specifically to any articles in this regard. Basically speaking, the burner heats the tube to incandescence, and the time of ignition is altered by moving the flame farther out on the tube to retard ignition, or moving it closer to its connection with the cylinder to advance the timing. Hot tubes often blew out, since the heated tube was greatly weakened in its red-hot state. Lots of materials have been tried, but all in all, good old black iron pipe is still about as good as anything. The matter of timing is largely guesswork, and is subject to variables such as the intensity and shape of the flame, ambient temperature, and other problems. Perhaps some of our readers have some specific information to contribute regarding their own experiences with hot tube ignition.

24/8/22 Fairbanks-Morse Eclipse

Q. I have a FBM No. 1 Eclipse (as cast into the cylinder), with s/n A43604. Yet, it has all the appearances of a No. 2. It has two identical flywheels, and a 3 inch bore, and is like the engine shown on page 164 of American Gas Engines. Can you tell me the year built, and why it has the configuration of a No. 2. Also I would like to hear from anyone having operating or parts information on this engine. Norman Rodgers, 10823 40th Ave., Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

A. Your engine was probably built in 1920. We can't tell you why it has been modified, and of course, there is the possibility that this might have been done in the field many years ago.

24/8/23 Dazzle Patch

Q. See the photos of a Dazzle Patch engine distributed by M. W. Savage Factories at Minneapolis. Any information on this engine will be greatly appreciated.

Del Thibaut, 2118 Beloit, Billings, MT 59102.

A. This is the first time we've seen a Dazzle Patch engine. Savage was merely a distributor, and over the years they appear to have handled numerous makes and models, affixing their own nameplate in each instance. If anyone can supply additional information on this engine, we would be glad to hear about it.

24/8/24 Stewart Little Major

Thanks to Dennis Silva, 89 Arrowhead Drive, Griswold, CT 06351 for sending along a photocopy of this peculiar little engine from Chicago Flexible Shaft Company. This particular model uses a 4-spoke flywheel, is rated at ? HP, and uses a 2?  2? inch bore and stroke. It could be also equipped with a sheep shearing outfit. If anyone has a Little Major, we would be happy to include a photo of it in a future issue.

24/8/25 Domestic engine

Q. See the 6 HP Domestic engine, s/n 21818 in the accompanying photo. I would like to know the color and the year built. It has a spark plug on both sides of the block. What type of ignition was used? Any information will be appreciated.

Lester Hoover, 1364 Esterbrook Rd., Ponchatoula, LA 70454.

A. Would those of you familiar with the Domestic line lend a hand here?

24/8/26 Maytag

Thanks to Harlyn Hoppes, 5 Maple St., Jeffersonville, OH 43128 for sending along a listing of Maytag serial numbers.

24/8/27 Service Information

By supplying the model number and serial number information, one can often learn more about their old engines and tractors. Here are addresses for the following:

John Deere-Deere & Company, John Deere Road, Moline, IL 61265, Attn: Company Archives; Briggs & Stratton-Briggs & Stratton Corporation, PO Box 702, Milwaukee, WI 53201, Attn: Service Department; Maytag-The Maytag Company, Service Department, Newton, IA 50208.

Thanks to Ron Olson, 4241 Nancy Place, Shoreview, MN 55126 for sending along this information.

24/8/28 Mar-Tan Mfg. Co.

Q. See the two photos of a peculiar machine made by Mar-Tan Mfg. Company of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. There appears to be nothing missing, but we haven't found out so far what the engine was intended for.

Billy Thurman, 4016 Rex Road, Rex, GA 30273.

A. We believe this to have been a vibrator or compactor, but the off-balance element has probably been removed. In operation, we would bet that it shook like crazy! We also suspect that when the thing was vibrating (and in fact, probably dancing up and down like it was afflicted with a rare disease) it was then reasonably easy to coax it forward or back during those periods when it was airborne! It must have been a thrill to operate this outfit!

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