Unidentified Engine


C. H. Chase

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A few weeks ago we visited the huge engine swap meet at Waukee, Iowa. This event, annually sponsored by Central Hawkeye Gas Engine & Tractor Association, draws thousands of visitors from all over the United States and Canada. Our observation is that the club enjoyed a tremendous success this year, and on top of that, the weather cooperated! Literally hundreds of collectors brought engines, tractors, parts, and what have you to sell or trade, and apparently with reasonably good success.

In visiting with various collectors, we believe some market trends are evident due to the erratic national economy. We are told that engine prices are remaining firm to strong on the Eastern seaboard, and likewise on the West Coast. However, there appears to be some definite buyer resistance, particularly in the Midwest. Presumably this is due in large part to the battered farm economy. Vintage tractors, except for the very rare models, have dropped in price over the past couple of years, with the same holding true for stationary engines. Despite this lull in activity, enthusiasm remains high for our hobby.

The Reflector has concluded that the past few years have seen greater interest by collectors in doing a first class restoration job than in simply acquiring engines. Some years ago, a coat of paint was about all that was necessary. Now we see a lot of restored engines that have been completely rebuilt, sandblasted, and finished to perfection. Our hobby is relatively young, yet it has advanced immensely over the past few years.

Keep the paint colors coming in. We soon will have enough to warrant some sort of compilation, even though it will still be lacking much of the needed data.

20/6/1 Q Can anyone identify this engine? C. H. Chase, RFD, Box 51, Concord, VT 05824.

A. There is little doubt in our mind that this is a variety built at Waterloo, Iowa. The rounded top on the water hopper would indicate to us that it might possibly be a Sandow as advertised by Sandy McManus Inc. of Waterloo. Several engines had this same general design, and they all appear to have come from the factories of Waterloo Gasoline Engine Company. See American Gasoline Engines Since 1872 for further details. Mr. Chase also notes that fishing villages along the Nova Scotia coast used block cork on their nets per 20/3/12.

20/6/2 Q From Phillips Equipment Company, Box 7, Boyce, LA 71409 comes a request for the supplier of main bearing inserts for a Fairbanks-Morse3 HP, ModelZ$2 engine. These are inserts and not the 'poured in place' bearings generally used. Also, what is the proper paint number for these engines.

A. We haven't heard of this bearing design on the 3 HP Model Z engines before, so perhaps one of our readers or suppliers might be of help. Our records indicate that DuPont Dulux No. 93-72001 green is comparable to the original color.

20/6/3 Q We have a 2 HP Empire engine, S/N 103721. Would like information on this engine, and the proper color. Roger Hansen, Box 109, Kanawha, IA 50477

A. Our records indicate that the Empire was sold by Empire Cream Separator Company, Bloomfield, New York. There are indications however, that the actual manufacturing was done by Alamo Manufacturing Company, Hillsdale, Michigan. Perhaps one of our readers might have the proper color for these engines.

20/6/4 Walter 'Doc' Schrage, 1219 Lawn Avenue, New Haven, IN 46774 writes that he can supply serial number information on various IHC engines. Schrage also notes that his 1 HP Gray engine was painted a pale green color with black lettering.

20/6/5 Q  We have a 'header' engine by Field Force Pump Company, Elmira, New York, 4 HP, S/N 1803. Is this the same engine and company as Leader Iron Works as shown on page 281 of American Gas Engines? What can you tell me about Field Force Pump Company? Frank Pickering, 128 Navy Avenue, Atco, NJ 08004.

A. So far as we know these were two distinctly different companies. We recently acquired some data on Field Force Pump Company, but must confess that during the past few months, we have received so many letters for the Reflections column that we can't locate the material at this writing. We can say that Field was an old company which started out manufacturing various spraying equipment for orchards and the like. Their engines were designed primarily for use with their power spraying outfits.

20/6/6 Q Since your publication of American Gas Engines have you acquired further information on the following companies: Globe Engine Company, Racine, Wisconsin; Chas. Ross Engine Company, Brooklyn, New York; and the Jencick engine built at Port Chester, New York, Dan Thomas Jr., Box 283, New Boston, NH 03070.

A. We are sorry to report 'no' on all three counts.

20/6/7 Q We have an IHC Mogul engine, 4 HP model, S/N EZ1068. We would like to know date of manufacture, paint color, and striping. Allan Alden, 2205 Blaine Circle S.E., Renton, WA 98055.

A. Per GEM, June, 1985 issue, page 3 your engine is a 1915 model. The comparable color is DuPont Dulux 93-29609-H Olive Green. The striping is a chrome yellow color.

20/6/8 Q. We recently acquired a cement mixer built by Leach Company, Oshkosh, Wisconsin. It is powered by a Fuller & Johnson 2 cylinder engine, Model AB, S/N 400249. Would like to know approximate age and correct colors. A.S. Woodlef, RR 1, Box 272, Franklinton, NC 27525-

A. Perhaps using the back door and determining the age of the engine would help. For this purpose, we suggest you contact: Verne W. Kindschi, Route 1, Prairie du Sac, WI 53578 for further information on the Fuller & Johnson engine.

20/6/9 Q Would like to know the correct color for the New Way engine, and would like to know the trademark design for same. Also, per a recent issue, the Standard cream separator engine and the same engine built by Galloway had substantial differences. The engines sold by Galloway had no tag or serial number just a 'diamond' on the piston rod with 'Galloway factory' stamped on it. This piston is a different diameter, along with a different flywheel. The Standard uses a magneto, while the 'look-like' Galloway uses a battery and coil. Virginia Kommeyer, Box 153, Lucas, KS 67648

A. The adjacent photographs illustrate the general color scheme and the New Way trade mark. So far as we can tell, the base is comparable to DuPont 29609-H Dulux, while the fan shroud and flywheels are comparable to 93-30420-H Maroon. Striping is gold, with white daisies painted at the bottom of the base. A color photograph from a New-Way catalog is reproduced on the back cover of this issue.

20/6/10 Q  I have acquired a log saw of about 1922 vintage. This saw was belt driven by a 6 HP Economy engine. It is made on the same order as a drag saw. It has a 28' flywheel with raised letters 'Cascade'. The stand is dark blue, flywheel is either light blue or grey. Possible West Coast manufactured. Does anyone have any information on this piece. I will answer all correspondence. Bob Warn-staff, Rt. 2, Box 718, Oroville, WA 98844.

20/6/11 Donald W. Hagedorn, 1458 S. Carr, Lakewood, CO 80226 sends us some pix of his Waterloo Boy before restoration and after the job was completed, (see back cover for the after version.) He reports that his color match was Ditzler DAR 3384 red or Dupont B8148 acrylic. Mr. Hagedorn also wished to know the correct color for the late model Sattley sold by Montgomery Ward.

A. We believe the red color used on this early model engine to be closely matched to the original. Likewise, the original engine used yellow striping. We believe the late model Sattley used a dark green comparable to DuPont 7498D.

20/6/12 Mr. James A. Cavanaugh, 5905 Jester, Garland, TX 75042 would like to contact the person who owns the Ottawa twin-cylinder engine pictured in the Boswell Show article of GEM, March-April, 1985, page 21.

20/6/13 Andrew Mackey, 26 Mott Place, Rockaway Boro, NJ 07866 notes that the Reflector forgot to add his name to the query he had about the Fairbanks-Morse home light plant (See 20/2/52). Subsequently, he wrote to Fairbanks-Morse at Beloit, WI. They referred him to FMZ Industries at Houston, TX. In turn, this firm sent a form letter noting that factory parts were no longer available, nor was any literature available. Mr. Mackey still needs an owner's manual and wiring diagram for a 1925 FBM 3 Home Light plant, 32 volt, 1.5 KW, with a Special Electric Engine.

20/6/14 Mr. Clarence Davis, RR5, Brandon, Manitoba R7A 5V5 Canada writes: The Rawleigh-Shryer engines were marketed right here in Brandon by the Canadian Stover Company. A curious twist of events perhaps Canadian Stover was not owned by Stover of Freeport, Illinois? I own two of their engines both have brass plates affixed and engraved: 'Built for Canadian Stover Gasoline Engine Co. Brandon, Man. by Rawleigh-Schryer Co. Freeport, Ill. U.S.A. Can anyone explain this?

A. Although the Reflector has done considerable research on Stover, this is the first we have heard of this obvious connection. Some years ago, we also worked closely with the late Lester L. Roos, Geneseo, Illinois in determining the early Stover history, but there seemed to be no indication of this connection.

20/6/15 Q We have a Continental Cultor tractor like that shown in Encyclopedia of American Farm Tractors, page 78. Would like to know the original colors, lettering, years built, etc., and would like to correspond with anyone owning one of these of having any information. Curtis Hartman, Box 265, RD 2, Fair field, PA 17320.

A. Our information on this tractor came from the February, 1928 issue of American Thresherman magazine. A check of the Farm Implement News Buyer's Guide for 1931 does not list the company nor where parts might be obtained.

20/6/16 Mr. James F. Crews, Star Route, Box 4, Arbovale, WV 24915 would like to correspond with the owner of the Tiny Tim Power plant we mentioned on 20/3/4 of the May, 1985 issue. The Reflector inadvertently forgot to include his name and address. Our apologies!

20/6/17 Q. What is the proper color for jumbo Line engines built by Nelson Bros.? What was the trademark design on the side of the engine? Also, what type of magneto equipment was used? American Gas Engine suggests that the engine was gray in color, but others have suggested it to be green, gray, or red. Who has the correct color? Eugene Lundgrin, 2134 Leland Way, Salina, KS 67401.

20/6/18 Q. What is the proper color for the Bean vertical engine as is illustrated on page 50 American Gasoline Engines? Harry Kokx, RR 2, Box 336, Hart, MI 49420.

20/6/19 Q. We have a Middleditch engine built in Detroit, Michigan and need information relative to the color, horsepower, type and make of carburetor, etc. Wayne Falan, 619 Paw Paw Ave., Paw Paw, MI 49079.

20/6/20 Q. What is the approximate age, color scheme, etc. for a Regal two-cylinder engine? It is similar to the one-cylinder model illustrated on page 414 of American Gas Engines. The engine has a lot of brass on it, and we would like to know a good way to clean it. Brian Bass, Rt. 2, Box 388, Henagar, AL 35978.

A. While we aren't sure of the proper colors for this engine, we suggest starting on the brass with Brasso or a similar brass cleaner. This will get off a lot of the tarnish and other stains that have been acquired over the years. Bronze castings can be nicely cleaned up with a FINE bristled wire wheel. After this stage, cloth buffing wheels available at many hardware stores will be of great help. Usually, small sticks of buffing compound are also available, and the combination works nicely to bring up a nice finish. Be careful not to push too hard, especially on thin materials, or lettering, etc. Also, be very careful in using a buffing wheel. Even a small one can rip the object out of your hands in an instant. We lay down a couple thicknesses of old carpeting under the buffer. Should we accidentally lose an item this way, impact with the floor isn't such a problem, and if the piece is small, it is much easier to find.

20/6/21 Q. Robert Yoder, 1704 Amity Road, Galloway, OH 43119 needs the proper color and striping for a Hercules 6 HP Model S engine as illustrated on page 228 of American Gas Engines.

A. We believe this engine to be a dark green color, comparable to DuPont 7498. We have seen these engines striped in red, and some with black, but believe red to be the proper color for the striping.

20/6/22 Q. Harry Cruchelow, 15035 S.E. Gladstone St., Portland, OR 97236 inquires whether a 10-20 McCormick-Deering tractor engine will fit the 10-20 Trac-TracTor of similar vintage. Likewise will any of the tractor accessories fit this crawler model?, and what was the original color for the crawler?

A. We believe that if these two engines are not exactly alike, they were at least very similar. Probably the best way to determine this would be to compare the parts book for each, but an easier way would be to hear from someone who has the answer. Mr. Cruchelow kindly forwarded an extensive listing of Oliver and Cletrac production dates which will be published in the near future.

20//6/23 Mr. Larry Hochstein, Box 155, Wynot, NE 68792 notes that on page 296 of American Gas Engines, upper left hand corner, the engine there illustrated is properly an Elgin. The same engine is illustrated on page 147 by Elgin Wheel &. Engine Company. Mr. Hochstein also kindly points out our error in the proper paint color numbers within this volume. On page 386 we noted that the Peerless was a bright maroon comparable to DuPont 93-2564-H, and again listed this number on page 492 as the deep green for Stover. In fact, 'green' should have been 'red' on page 492. Our notation of 'bright maroon' regarding the Peerless engine, should have been properly stated as 'deep red'. A close comparison of the color chip with an original color illustration gave this matchup. Regarding the Maytag-Elgin connection previously noted by Mr. Hochstein, the 'Maytag' illustrated on page 296 of American Gas Engines came from an original Maytag catalog. Beyond that, we have not learned the connection between the two companies.


Q. Stewart Friedrichsen, RR I, Box 233, Huron, SD 57350 asks the proper color for the Hercules engine, as well as the McCormick-Deering LA Models.

A. See 20/6/21 above regarding the Hercules colors. While we don't know the exact shade of red, we would suspect that the great majority of LA engines use the standard IHC red color.