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22/2/15

Robert Scmauss

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22/2/14 Q. I am a pattern and model maker and am interested in making kits for gas and heat engines. Could you advise as to engines which are popular but not readily available in kit form? Also where is the best place to obtain plans and drawings for various size engines? Any help will be appreciated. E.J. Williams, 149-A Voelbel Road, Hightstown, NJ 08520.

A. As we noted at the beginning of this column, there are quite a few people interested in doing just what you propose, but lack the information needed to go ahead. We hope that some of our readers will respond to you (and to us) in this regard so that the information can be passed along. We would think that the Fairbanks-Morse 'Z' engines, the IHC engines, the Stover, and several others would make excellent model projects. So far as we know, the avail able scale models have been built from scratch, and that includes taking an original engine, making all the measurements, and then scaling it down to the desired size. We wish we could be more helpful at this time, but quite frankly, there is virtually nothing we know of in the way of printed material at this time.

22/2/15 Q. Can anyone help me identify this engine? I thought the Webster magneto listing in the December GEM would help, but the bracket on this engine isn't listed. The closest I can find is A303K179A for a Field-Brundage 1? HP. Alan King's Gas Engines, Vol. 6 does not have anything like it. Some part numbers include: water hopper, DD213-A; carburetor DD30A. Would appreciate hearing from anyone that can help. H. Rossow, Box 15, Weston, ID 83286.

22/2/16 Q. Need help in identifying this engine- see photo. The man I bought it from thought it might have been used on a bicycle. I've been told it is Simplex. Bernard Marvel, RR 1, Box 44, Browning, IL 62624.

22/2/17 Q. Would like to know the year built for the following two engines, and would like to know where to obtain owner's manuals for same: IHC LA, 1 1?-2 ?HP, s/n LA6353, IHC LB, 1 ?-2 ? HP, s/n/ LBA 108990. John W. Lewis, 4386 N. Five Mile Rd., Route 3, Williamsburg, Ml 49690.

A. The LA was built in 1937; the LB was built in 1946. Contact the GEM office-I believe they have an operator's manual.

22/2/18 Q. Can anyone supply information on a Wico Igniter, Type 01, No. 1969. Patented Dec 29, 1903 and Mar 6, 1908. Patents Pending. Witherbee Ignitor Co., Springfield, Mass. I've been around engines for 68 years and restoring them for 35 years, and never saw anything like this before. Ernest T. Werner, Route 2, Box 256, Millstadt, IL 62260.

A. The December 29, 1903 notation apparently refers to Patent No. 748,534 issued to Malcolm P. Ryder, Whiteplains, New York. The title reads, 'Electric Generator for Intermittent Currents.' With but little imagination the evolution of the Wico EK magneto can be seen developing from this early patent. Our research has shown that magnetos gained little acceptance for stationary engines at the time of this patent, and in fact, were not widely used until after 1910. Coincidentally, the WICO name is a conjugation of Witherbee Electric CO. Possibly some of our other readers might have further information on the Wither bee igniter. We should note that finding a patent when only the date is given can be very time consuming. In the title shown above, looking through the index at 'Magnetos' or similar entries would do no good, therefore it is necessary to go through the entire display for a given date in an attempt to find the desired patent.

22/2/19 Q. Can anyone supply the proper paint colors for the Foos engine, early hot tube style, and the later Foos Jr. engines. Would like to have the DuPont numbers. Kenneth C. Osborne, 308 O'Bryan, Bardstown, KY 40004.

A. So far no one has given us any paint information on the Foos engines. If anyone can supply it, let us know.

22/2/20Earl Sprague, 925 - 5th St. West, Redfield, SD 57469 sends us a photo of this unknown engine. It has no name tag, and the closest match to it so far is on pages 96-97 of American Gas Engines. Would appreciate learning the make, as well as any other information on this engine.

22/2/21Ralph Walters, 37 Cepp Road, Perkomenville, PA 18074 would like to hear from anyone who can identify this small engine. The only identifying marks are a Bosch magneto, cast parts numbers on all parts, and patent dates of 1913 stamped in the frost plugs. The Tillotson carburetor and the gas tank have been added, since the originals were missing.

22/2/22 Q. Could anyone supply the approximate year for this Economy garden tractor. It was built by Engineering Products Co., Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and carries s/n 317. It uses a Wisconsin engine. James G. Holzhauer, RR2, Box 84, Sorento, IL 62086.

A. An Economy Special similar to yours was tested at Nebraska under Test No. 483 of 1952. The test model was equipped with a Briggs & Stratton engine. Further information on the test may be found in the book Nebraska Tractor Tests Since 1920, or may be obtained from the Tractor Test Laboratory, University of Nebraska-Lincoln for a nominal charge.

22/2/23 Q. I have an International Oil engine, Style E, s/n 2092. It is a marine style, and patented 1901-03. The engine looks like the one shown on page 250 of American Gas Engines. Although the engine appears to be fairly complete, I need help in getting it back in shape, including help on how it is to operate, etc. Any information will be appreciated. Bill Wallner, 2039 Laurel Road, Cave Junction, OR 97523.

A. It is interesting to us that your International Oil Engine made the trip all the way from New York out to the West Coast. Chances are that this engine could tell quite a story!

22/2/24 Q. Am searching for any information or data on restoring a 15 HP Bessemer hot tube engine. A few parts seem to be missing, and I don't know what to advertise for. Call collect to Bob at (904) 385-6676 after 8 p.m., or write Rober Burke, 775 Lakeshore Dr., Talahassee, FL 32312.

22/2/25 Q. Howard Sins, RD 1, Box 67, West hey den, NY 13489 would like information on a 4 HP Robertsonville engine, including the colors, pin striping, etc. Also needed is information on the hot tube system for a Bovaird 2 HP vertical engine similar to that shown on page 62 of American Gas Engines. Would like to set the engine up for hot tube ignition and using bottled gas.

A. We noted at the head of this column that Mr. Andy Kruse, Park Ridge, Illinois passed away recently. Just now is one time we might have asked Andy about some particulars of hot tube ignition, since he had done considerable experimenting with it. We know, however, that out in your part of the world there are quite a few hot tube engines still in existence, so hopefully you will be hearing from other collectors who can provide the information, and possibly some of these might even have a Bovaird such as yours.

22/2/26Dallas G. Few, 560 Twilight Trail, Seville, OH 44273 sends us some photocopy material on the Speedex garden tractor. Since photocopies will not reproduce very well in the magazine, will place this data on file for future use.

22/2/27 Q. What is the proper color for an IHC Tom Thumb engine.? Hayward Bissell, Longbottom, OH 45743.

A. So far as we know, the base, fly wheels, and operating parts are the usual IHC red, with the cylinder being finished in aluminum. All air-cooled engines should have the cylinder finished with aluminum to better radiate the heat of combustion.

22/2/28 Q. Dave Schlitzer, RR1, Box 123, Bennett, IA 52721 writes: I have a John Deere 'B' tractor but the serial number is rusted off, and I would like to know where to look for it on the tractor.

A. Deere Models A, B. G, R, 50, 60, and 70 should have the serial number stamped on the r.h. side of the tractor on the main case. This is to be found near the magneto/distributor area and the pulley area.

22/2/29Joe W. Morris, 112 Irwin Road, Powell, TN 37849 would like to hear from anyone owning a 1 HP Reeves engine.

22/2/30 Q. Would like any information on an Economy engine built by Stover. Serial No. is TD 244489 S.R. Harvey Daniel-son, RR 2, Miltona, MN 56354.

A. Your engine was built February 4, 1937. Stover built a considerable number of engines for Sears-Roebuck. These models differed slightly from the regular Stover line, in that the water hopper was shaped differently, and instead of the round weight holes in the flywheels, those engines built for Sears used tear-drop shaped holes. With these exceptions, the two engines were virtually identical.

22/2/31 Q. Russell Schafer, 13583 Ward, South-gate, MI 48195 writes in regard to the crawler in an adjacent photo. This particular one was manufactured by Clark Equipment Company for the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, Air-Borne Equipment, 1943. It appears to be the same tractor with a Continental engine listed in the book Nebraska Tractor Tests Since 1920 under Test No. 414 issued to USTRAC Corporation. Any information, service manuals, etc. will be appreciated.

A. Quite possibly there was a connection between Clark Equipment and USTRAC, but our research has so far not revealed what if any existed.

22/2/32 Q. Is the 8-16 International, Titan 10-20, the McCormick-Deering 10-20, and the Farmall F-20 all the same shade of gray? What is the proper paint color for the very last Rumely OilPulls that were painted gray? Rodney Miller, RR 1, Box 56, Bancroft, NE 68004.

A. We've talked to a number of the old-timers over the years-people who were in a position to know what went on in a tractor factory. There seems to be a general consensus that color shades varied somewhat from year to year, and from batch to batch of paint. Apparently there was less concern for matching shades than there was in covering the machine with plenty of paint. Thus, we believe it is farily safe to state that 'gray' in the generic sense of the term was the color for all of these tractors, even though the shade did vary somewhat during the years. We do not have a matching color for the Rumely gray, although we are told in Rumely catalogs that this was a 'steel gray.' Some old Rumely employees have told us that the company got a bargain on some leftover battleship paint left from World War One, and that was a major factor in changing from green to gray during the last few years of production.

22/2/33 Q. Geo. L. Jacobs, 708 Knapp St., Wolf-point, MT 59201 inquires as to a book that would show some pictures etc. of the early Titan tractors. The IHC Yearbooks don't show much.

A. A number of books illustrate the Titan tractors, and there are a number of catalog reprints that illustrate it as well. Probably the most extensive pictorialization of the IHC tractors is in the book, 150 Years of International Harvester

22/2/34Here are two photos of a Reo Trim-A-Lawn mower which was popular in New England, and used on some golf courses. This mower runs very well, but the engine needs rebuilding. This is in response to Mr. Mackey's article in the August, 1986 GEM. H. Ship-man, 590 Route #148, Killingworth, CT 06417.

22/2/35 Q. I'm just getting started in gas engines with a Fairbanks-Morse 3 HP model. I have an old vertical stone grist mill that I am restoring. How fast should it run, and how do I connect the horizontal engine pulley to the vertical shaft pulley on the mill? Any help will be appreciated. Bruce Brockett, 9572 Rt. 224, Deerfield, OH 44411.

A. Many early mill catalogs suggest a speed of about 400 rpm for a 16-inch vertical stone mill, and we doubt it would hurt a thing if the speed were down in the 300 rpm area. Belting a horizontal pulley to a vertical shaft requires roughly that they be centered both vertically and horizontally. In other words, align the pulleys as you would for an ordinary setup, but also align the center of the vertical pulley so that it is on the same plane as the center of the horizontal shaft. The quarter twist in the belt might shift this alignment slightly, but this will be a good place to start.